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16 Mar 2018 21:45:43
What if Lebron would opt in for a trade to the Lakers and didn't want to play with Ball, because of fit and the noise around him.

Ball and Deng for Lebron

If the Lakers accept all option that would put their cap number at 49 million and the cap should be around 100 million.

After signing George at around 35 million? I know they can't sign him for the super max so it shouldn't be to ridiculous of a number. That gives them 15 million to spend in free agency plus the the 9ish million MLE.

They could easily fit Bradley and Lopez into that and might have some cash left over.

Bradley/ Hart/ solid veteran

Add some ring chasing veterans and go after a 3 and D prospect or defensive big man with the Cavs pick.


1.) 17 Mar 2018 01:13:54
That be good for the cavs if James wants out. Plus give the cavs Randle also. They would have ball, randle love hood and the Brook pick to build around plus Thompson is he can get it together. So love can get traded
Say George takes 30 and puts Lakers at 79 that's 22 left for DJ. Use mle on Evans
James/ evans
Noel/ zubak.

2.) 17 Mar 2018 01:43:34
What if.



15 Mar 2018 14:25:29
Charlotte gets Wiggins

Washington gets Walker, Batum and the Spur's 2019 1st lottery protected

Minnesota gets Gasol and Wall

San Antonio gets Teague


1.) 15 Mar 2018 15:03:37
I like my odds with Murray, and Keeping my 2019 pick over acquiring Teague if I was SA decision maker.

2.) 15 Mar 2018 16:54:02
@ jorgawood, Agreed, I'd also keep Murray and the pick.

3.) 15 Mar 2018 17:10:25
They don't trade Murray here. It's next year's pick and Gasol (who's not worth his contract at this point) for a point guard who can actually create for himself and other players. Murray at this point really doesn't provide a ton on offense, Parker is about done and the only other person who can go out and create shots off the dribble is Leonard.

I think the trade could be done without San Antonio though, but at some point Teague would have to be moved for Minnesota. I was just trying to figure out a landing spot for him to clean up what I thought might be the biggest hang up. How do you feel about the basic structure of the deal between the Wolves, Hornets, and Wizards?

4.) 15 Mar 2018 18:16:55
It wasn't my intention to suggest Murray was involved, but that the position is covered already, and the pick are of more use, and value to the Spurs than Teague.

5.) 16 Mar 2018 13:27:12
I think San Antonio would rather play Murray/ Mills at the point instead of absorbing Teague's salary.



11 Mar 2018 17:15:05
If Lebron leaves

The Cavs get Burks, the Jazz 2018 1st and the Jazz 2020 1st top 10 protected.

The Jazz get Love


1.) 12 Mar 2018 05:24:26
Jazz are young, trading away the future for a 30 year old isn't a good move. Jazz aren't in need of veteran guidance from Love, and he is the antithesis of defense, Jazz are a defensive team. Favors is going to be re-signed also. Love would be coming off the bench. HOU, Love for Anderson, and a 1st would be a good place for him.

2.) 12 Mar 2018 13:45:40
Love would come off the bench behind Favors? Wow, that’s absurd.

Have you considered that Utah might want to sacrifice some defense for more offensive firepower? That would make sense to me.

3.) 12 Mar 2018 19:34:54
Considered it then I thought throwing away picks, and Burks for significant salary addition for a guy that would now make the Crowder deal null, and void, and getting nothing in return for Favors. Again, thanks for the eye-opening penny's worth. I am completely awakened now to your logic, and prowess. What was I thinking. Punk.



08 Mar 2018 17:41:42
Theoretically Lebron stays and the Cavs land the 1st overall and Phoenix falls to the 4-6 position. Dream scenario for the Cavs.

The Cavs get the Phoenix Suns 5th overall and the Philly Lakers pick 11th overall
They take Jaren Jackson and Mikal Bridges

The Suns get the 1st overall (take Ayton) and Jr Smith (buyout)

The 76ers get the Suns Heat 1st 18th overall, the 2021 Cavs 1st top 5 protected, a Cavs 2nd and Korver.


1.) 08 Mar 2018 20:47:01
Philly says no. They already have 4 second rounders this and next years. They can get a better and younger version of corver in fa for the same amount. And pick 11 for 18 and a late 1st rounder in 3 years isn't enough.

2.) 08 Mar 2018 21:11:34
That might happen.

3.) 09 Mar 2018 00:11:12
No one rebuilding is trading a top 5 pick for Lebron, and Lebron isn't going to a team that far out of the playoff hunt. (PHX) PHI maybe, but why when MIA, HOU, GS, LAC, and LAL are so much warmer, and willing to spend lots of money.

4.) 09 Mar 2018 10:55:18
Jorga, Lebron isn't part of the trade.

5.) 09 Mar 2018 12:57:00
So then PHX would somehow trade their own pick and end up with Smith? That's a bad deal. Not to mention the four year in the future for PHI, and Korver till he's 40.

6.) 09 Mar 2018 13:47:25
Korver has 2 years left on his contract after this, but the second year only has a guarantee of like 1 million dollars. Again, the hypothetical is the Cavs land the 1 pick and the Suns land around 5.

7.) 09 Mar 2018 13:59:05
You tell it boss.

8.) 09 Mar 2018 22:30:58
Rkenne are you trying to turn this into a sci-fi site by using hypotheticals? Then responding to people when they point obvious flaws in the story line like they haven't a clue, and then resting on well it was a hypothetical? This isn't facebook. The blue buttons say agree / disagree, and believable / unbelievable.



08 Mar 2018 14:30:02
With what we know now, should the Twolves have just traded Wiggins straight up for Butler (assuming the rumors were true and Chicago was willing to do that)?


1.) 08 Mar 2018 15:51:21
I still believe Wiggins is going to be an all star, but the tandem Markannen-KAT would have been awesome.

Maybe no deal would have been better for Minny

2.) 08 Mar 2018 15:55:32
100%. I think I would have done that in the moment too. Wiggins shows flashes, and he's a crazy athlete, but he's proven absolutely nothing to me. At this point, I think they're still banking on him because they took him number 1, but if you look at that draft, there's probably 15 or so guys I would take over both him and Parker at this point. Lavine and Dunn may never wind up being more than solid role players, and who knows who they would have taken in the draft, but I don't know if Wiggins will wind up having a better career than any of the three.

3.) 08 Mar 2018 16:31:35
Wiggins might be frustrating and inconsistent, but he’s still a really good player. There’s no possible way that 15 guys in that draft are better than him. He’s still a 20 ppg scorer. Outside of Embiid (who I wouldn’t want over Wiggins due to his health) and Jokic, I’m not sure anyone else in that draft is more desirable than Wiggins.

That said, yeah, if minny has the option to swap what they traded with Wiggins, I think they’d do it.

4.) 08 Mar 2018 16:38:27
I probably fall in the middle of where you two are. The guy is a good scorer and has all the tools to get better. I don't think it's likely he turns into a perennial allstar, but he's proven he can put up big scoring numbers so an allstar appearance at some point wouldn't be crazy, but right now he's a 3rd option, that doesn't shoot the 3 well, pass well, rebound at a high level, and he's an awful defender. It feels like a healthy Lavine could have been that 3rd option more effectively given his shooting, ability to play some defense and ability to pass. Also, you'd have the option of using Lavine as a combo guard off the bench and I don't think Lavine will get the max this year. Dunn has the potential to be a solid starting pg and is a good back up at the minimum. Theoretically, if they took Markannen, he has allstar potential and if they go with one of the pgs that went right after him or if they hit a home run and reached for Mitchell, you end up with another good player. I think anyway you slice it, if they traded Wiggins, you end up with a more depth and a cheaper team.

5.) 09 Mar 2018 00:20:29
Wiggins gets paid starting next season. Criticism can start when he's earning the pay. Right now he's underpaid, and earning his keep. Teague, and Butler are teaching Wigs, and KAT how to win. 2-3 more seasons MIN will still be the better team.

6.) 09 Mar 2018 13:56:33
Jorga, the question wasn't if Wiggins has lived up to his current salary. It's would the Timberwolves be better off trading Wiggins instead of the package that they sent out for Butler.

7.) 09 Mar 2018 14:19:37
2-3 more seasons MIN is still the better team didn't answer that for you, and you are just hung up on my criticism of your criticism?

8.) 09 Mar 2018 14:37:49
I'm not saying that I would definitively put 15 above him from that draft, but there are around that many that I would have to actually think about it long and hard. To me, that's not a guy I'm wanting to take #1, or #2 for that matter with Parker. The only guys who are a definite above him are Embiid, Capela and Jocic. But I would have solid conversation about Gordon, Smart, Randle, Saric, LaVine, Nurkic, Hood, and Dinwiddie. I think he would beat out solid guys like Warren, Ennis, Harris, Grant, Robinson and Powell.

Looking back on it now, this was a really solid depth draft, even if only one of the "elite" guys has really blossomed into anything special, with two dark horse big men blowing up as well.




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16 Mar 2018 17:57:17
I'm watching Robert Williams for the 1st time this year and I think I'm falling in Love. He's obviously a limited offensive player and doesn't have elite size for a 5 (he can probably play some 4 but looks like an NBA small ball 5). The guy is just all hustle. He causes havoc on defensive end, looks like a solid rebounder on both ends, looks to have enough size to guard most centers, can run the floor, jump through the roof, and the thing I've loved is that he has no problem switching on to guards. If he can add 3 point range, he looks like he could be a steal at the end of the lottery. He'll most likely never be a super star, but he looks the part of NBA glue guy. He reminds he of a more physically imposing Larry Nance without the passing ability with maybe a Serge Ibaka type upside.


1.) 16 Mar 2018 18:48:16
Williams is a top ten'er.

2.) 16 Mar 2018 19:54:14
I've seen him slotted in mock drafts between 12 and 17. I think he'd be a solid pick anytime after 7.

The whole time I was watching him play, I was thinking if Ayton, who has similiar athletic ability with 4 more inches and 30 more pounds plus a real offensive game played with half as much assertiveness and hustle, the guy would be completely unstoppable.

3.) 16 Mar 2018 20:18:34
Williams could be a great steal in the later lottery. Really like his upside as a modern NBA big.



11 Mar 2018 18:50:22
How do you rank the top prospects in the draft?
I'd go
1 Doncic
3 Jackson
4 Bagley
5 Bamba
6 Young
7 Porter Jr
8 Sexton
9 Carter
10 Miles Bridges
11 Mikal Bridges
12 Knox
13 Williams
14 Bates-Diop

I think there are clear tiers at 1-2, 3-7, and 8-12. The top 2 are elite, 3-7 are close to it, and 8 through 12 is solid. After 12 it seems like the talent drops off.
Also, I'm probably way to high on KBD, but the guy can score, rebound, defend and play either forward spot. He can probably guard 3 or 4 positions. He can shoot a little, but needs to improve there. If he can do that I think he has Paul Millsapp like upside.


1.) 12 Mar 2018 17:50:25
Doncic could be the first pick, but he could also fall out the top 5.
Memphis should draft him, But i think Phoenix, Atlanta, Sacramento and Dallas have more use drafting a center.

I really like T Young, i hope he becomes the next Curry, so he should fall into the top 3.

2.) 12 Mar 2018 18:31:51
I don't see Doncic falling. He's just to safe a pick. Scouts have seen him against the only talent in the world that even touches the NBA and he's putting up big numbers in a system heavy league.

As for Young, I could see him any where from 3 to 7 and maybe 8 if Sexton comes out and has a huge tournament. He obviously is a great passer and shooter, but he's struggled with teams keying on him. In the NBA teams won't be able to devote that much attention, but can he get his shot off against NBA defenders and can he attack the rim like Curry? It seems like there isn't much in between with him. Either he'll be a guy that can dominate with the balll in his hand or he'll be a guy that might be able to shoot and pass, but isn't an efficient player without the ball and can be abused on defense. He seems extremely boom or bust.



22 Feb 2018 18:06:17
I didn't think the Kawhi stuff would really go anywhere, but it's starting to get weird. He's cleared and he's not playing. What kind of offers do you think the they could get for him?

Imo here's some of the best I can think of

Cleveland sends Love, Brooklyn 1st and Osman

Boston sends Hayward, Brown/Tatum and possibly their own 1st

The Bucks send Middleton, Brogdon, and a 1st

Denver sends Harris, Chandler, a 1st and 2nd

Portland sends McCollum, Collins and a 1st

LA sends Ingram, Hart, Deng, and 2 future 1sts


1.) 22 Feb 2018 20:09:31
He got a 2nd opinion, and is choosing so far to sit. He isn't healing as fast as expected, and has discomfort, and I'm guessing doesn't want to come back early, and re-aggravate. Trade is possible this summer, but highly unlikely. There are deals to be made. Spurs have few bad contracts, many teams have too many, and could really contend with 1 or 2 player additions and/ or subtractions with Kawhi in the fold. Spurs fans rest easy.

2.) 23 Feb 2018 03:12:27
Jorga, I know my statement was misleading, but I didn't mean that I thought he was leaving. I meant that I really didn't put much stock in the Kawhi Spurs discord stuff, but it is starting to seem legit. If I were to put money on it, I would say he's on the Spurs roster come next playoffs, but immits becoming evident that there should be doubts on the subject.

3.) 23 Feb 2018 06:26:27
I was just commenting on how good of a situation SA is. It's not as unsure as Davis, and NOP. Maxed out near hard cap, SA has room, and Parker expiring, Murray developing. Aldridge value higher than ever. They'll be tough with Gasol, and Aldridge, Gay, Murray come post-season. Better with Kawhi, and even tougher with another addition or 2 next season. Scary tough. I'd wanna stay if winning a title was important to me.

4.) 23 Feb 2018 11:02:07
It's a fun rumor and we can make some trades, but i think he's going to stay SA.

But i would like him in Green, if he leaves.

5.) 23 Feb 2018 21:26:25
I think trading Hayward with either Brown or Tatum and a 1st is way too much. Brown and Tatum and a 1st like the Grizzlies I think would be a good deal. I know that doesn't fit salary wise but that would be a scary green team if they could get it done.


6.) 23 Feb 2018 23:03:50
Larry, maybe, I have to low of an opinion of Hayward, but I think that's a worse deal for the Celtics. Brown and Tatum have more upside than Hayward and they are on significantly better contracts. Plus, they are significantly better defenders and don't need a ton of touches to be successful. This would keep them from paying luxury tax for an extra year, which is huge with the repeater tax. It will let them keep the core together longer and the team will have a longer window since Hayward will be on the decline as Brown or Tatum will be hitting their prime.

7.) 24 Feb 2018 01:10:24
Heyward is really good. Hell of a shooter, plays defense.

8.) 24 Feb 2018 15:30:41
agree with jorgawood.
Hayward is a great shooter and defender.
But i would trade him for Leonard

Hayward an Tatum for K Leonard would be great for both teams.



18 Feb 2018 23:43:00
So what are your opinions on Luka Doncic? From what I've read, it seems like the analytic guys are in love with him, the scouts really like him but maybe don't see him as the consensus number 1, and a lot of American NBA fans are calling for him to be a bust.

Outside of clips, I haven't seen him play, but apparently he isn't an elite NBA athlete and he's only an average shooter. I think it's safe to say that he'll be atleast a solid NBA player. He's the best player in the 2nd best league in the world. It's hard to imagine him being bad. I just don't see how he can be an elite nba player unless he's an elite shooter or athlete. I can't think of a top 15 or 20 player who isn't atleast one of those things at their position. Even big men at this point seem to need to be atleast one or the other.


1.) 19 Feb 2018 02:14:26
Depends on who picks #1. If a team needs his position he'll go #1. Porter jr. Is about to come back, and he'll get some tournament time, but Bagley looks like A. Davis. Bamba has good numbers, but I value Bagley the most so far. Shoots, dribbles, passes.

2.) 19 Feb 2018 13:42:45
Unless Porter Jr can come back, put up huge stats and lead his team deep into the tournament, I can't see him going 1st. Back injuries tend to be chronic and to have had one that requires surgery seems like a huge deal. It's good he got back this year, but given the high number of elite or almost elite prospects, I can't see Porter being with the risk in the top 3.

I think the biggest knock on Bagley is that he's a bit of a tweener and isn't much of a defender at this point. I don't think being a tweener is nearly as big of a deal in today's NBA given the small ball lineups, but he needs to get stronger and if he can't get stronger is he a good enough athlete to play sf? Maybe, he can since he's a great athlete with a ton of length and he probably fills out given how young he is, but I think it's a legitimate concern.

I think Doncic is probably the clear number 1 right now and it's more about where his floor is rather than his ceiling. In a perfect world where prospects reach their full potentials, I think you take a guy like Bagley, Porter, Ayton or Bamba, but has there ever been a safer pick than Doncic? What's worse case scenario for him? Probably a starting caliber wing barring injury.

3.) 20 Feb 2018 16:39:24
Well he's 18 and he plays against professionals in the best European league. So he should be able to make it in the NBA. He could become the best player in this draft, but no team can take the risk drafting him in a top three spot, drafting a second Hezonja.

4.) 20 Feb 2018 17:32:51
Gasupo, it seems unfair to compare him to Hezonja, who was older and far less productive in the Euroleagues, when he got drafted. I just can't see him being a flat out bust. I know he's not playing a ton of guys that would be considered athletic in the NBA, but I highly doubt the league he's in isn't at the minimum comparable athletically to high level college basketball and the guys he's playing are stronger, more skilled, and craftier than the players college prospects are going against.

5.) 21 Feb 2018 00:59:42
Don't get me wrong Rkenne. I really like Doncic. But the Cavs should trade down when the get the 1st pick and draft Doncic with a lower pick.
They can't take a second Bennet scenario.

6.) 21 Feb 2018 04:32:21
If the Cavs get the 1st overall, I think it should go different ways depending on Lebron. If he's walking, I think they should take Doncic. He seems like the safest pick in the draft and can be the foundation to a solid rebuild. I think guys at the top of the draft like Bagley, Bamba, Ayton, and Porter have bigger bust potential than Doncic. If Lebron comes back, I think they should trade down to the 3 to 5 spot and take Jackson or Bamba. They need an upgrade at center that is athletic and can block shots. I would prefer Jackson since he can come in and be an above average shooter at center day one. Then they have more options with whatever assets they end up with in a trade.

7.) 23 Feb 2018 00:54:17
Doncic is good. Maybe the best of all these guys. Slight shooting struggles against professionals who earn a living playing ball isn't too bad. He will roll right into NBA zone defensive schemes, and is competent enough to launch the 3. I believe in drafting the best player, but with good scouting discipline you can get position, and the right player with diligence. OKC has an amazing drafting resume no matter where they draft. SA is consistently good at it too.



17 Feb 2018 17:20:24
Let's assume that Lebron signs a long term contract with the Cavs and the Brooklyn pick falls top 5. Do you try to package the pick for a star?


1.) 17 Feb 2018 18:10:33
Yeah like whiteside.

2.) 17 Feb 2018 21:36:17
If it's No.1 then Doncic is chosen, and the worry of signing Hood goes away.

3.) 17 Feb 2018 21:58:45
Brook pick and Smith plus Thompson for whiteside.

4.) 17 Feb 2018 22:01:54
Then can resign hood with no problem and waive hill.

With Clarkson korver Nance jr and green as main bench players.

5.) 18 Feb 2018 02:47:58
Sure you can waive Hill, but then you pay 7 mil for 3 seasons for nothing?

6.) 18 Feb 2018 14:50:39
Lebron won't sign a long term contract. It'll be a 2yr with player option on the 2nd year.

7.) 18 Feb 2018 20:01:55
Hill last year only 1 MIL guaranteed and that's after this year . So they can easily waive him and not owe anything but 1 MIL.

8.) 18 Feb 2018 20:21:37
True 99, he draws a salary for '18-'19 of 19 mil. '19-'20 is the 1 mil guarantee year. He signed his contract last summer. I'm not making this up.

9.) 21 Feb 2018 01:30:15
I'm not sure it would be worth it since they would end up pretty thin on players that can create for other guys, but they could possibly stretch Hill. He would have 20 million left on his deal spread over 5 years. So they would 15 million in salary and then something like 45 million in luxury tax. NBA, I could see him signing long term. At some point the leverage and extra money he's seeing from those 1+1 contracts won't be worth the risk. Maybe, it still is this summer, but next summer he'll be on the verge of turning 35. At that point do you offer a 5 year max and how much longer is he worth a max contract?




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17 Mar 2018 14:20:11
I'm not sure they get the 3rd 1st, but the number 1 can absolutely bet you that kind of haul. Boston just ended with the the 3rd pick and a pick structured in a way that it was almost guaranteed to be top 5. Ayton or Doncic both seem like they could be perfect fits for the 2 biggest holes in Phoenix's team. Doncic could be a point forward/ pg/ combo guard and be the facilitator for them. Obviously, Ayton brings them the center they need. Is that worth their 2nd 1st this year and 2 years of Thompson's deal? I would say it is.




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16 Mar 2018 17:07:26
I'm just not sure what Dieng does that Thompson, Nance and Love can't do. He doesn't bring a ton of length, ability to guard the bigger centers in the league or elite rim protection and that's what the Cavs are lacking in. His skill set is pretty similiar to both Nance and Thompson. Obviously they could use him now with the injuries, but I don't see the need over the summer. If they could get a bigger center with the Brooklyn pick (Jackson, Bamba or Ayton) it would be nice, but in reality unless one those guys can come in and defend the rim at an elite leve, it's probably a second or tertiary need behind another elite scorer and an elite wing defender assuming Lebron is back.




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16 Mar 2018 15:27:40
Charlotte looks to be trying to get younger and shed salary. I don't see them being interested in Aldridge. They're not very good and Aldridge isn't putting them over the top. Plus, you can't legally trade back to back 1sts. I don't think you're getting much more than non lottery pick and a low end starter or mid level prospect out of him unless there is a bad contract involved.

If I'm the Spurs, I want to keep Leonard and in that trade and if they have to trade him, I would want the Lakers pick from Philly instead of their own. Even then I would probably want more and if Leonard can come back this season and look good, I think they might get it.

If they trade Leonard, they have almost no chance at getting a star in free agency. The draw is the combo of Pop and Kawhi. If either isn't there, there is no appeal to going to San Antonio.




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16 Mar 2018 14:31:58
Why would the Cavs want Harkless? They'll already be near the luxury tax if they resign Hood and Harkless makes no sense during a rebuild. He's not all that young, doesn't have much upside, isn't a star player, and has little secondary trade value. Plus, if the Cavs would need to get some serious assets back for them to be willing to help a team acquire Lebron.




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15 Mar 2018 17:10:25
They don't trade Murray here. It's next year's pick and Gasol (who's not worth his contract at this point) for a point guard who can actually create for himself and other players. Murray at this point really doesn't provide a ton on offense, Parker is about done and the only other person who can go out and create shots off the dribble is Leonard.

I think the trade could be done without San Antonio though, but at some point Teague would have to be moved for Minnesota. I was just trying to figure out a landing spot for him to clean up what I thought might be the biggest hang up. How do you feel about the basic structure of the deal between the Wolves, Hornets, and Wizards?





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