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19 Aug 2017 02:33:30
The Cavs get Brogdon, Middleton, Delly, Henson, and a 1st

The Bucks get Irving, Shumpert, and Frye

The Cavs get an assortment of young talent that can help them win now and build for the future.

The Bucks get a legitimate 2nd star who's game meshes perfectly with Giannis on offense and this let's them open up max money next year. If they could add a 3rd allstar and Lebron walks, they could be the new favorite in the East and at worst are a close 2nd behind Boston.




18 Aug 2017 06:22:50
Cleveland gets Walker, MGK, and Monk

Charlotte gets Irving, Shumpert, and Osman


1.) 18 Aug 2017 10:53:34
Lol. Clearly not. That return ain't happening.

2.) 18 Aug 2017 14:29:37
Take off Osman and add draft picks then maybe.



11 Aug 2017 23:37:32
The Clippers get Irving, Frye, and Jason Smith

The Cavs get Jordan, Beverly, Oubre, and 2018 Clippers pick swap, and a 2021 Clippers 1st

Washington gets Williams and Felder




11 Aug 2017 17:06:06
Detroit gets Irving, Thompson, and a 2020 Houston 1st

Cleveland gets Drummond, Anderson, Ariza, Kennard, Johnson, Smith, and a Detroit 1st

New York gets Felder, Shumpert, Frye, Tavares, a Houston 2022, and a Detroit 2nd

Houston gets Melo and Jefferson




28 Jul 2017 19:37:41
Offers I think are realistic for Irving

The Knicks

Anthony, Ntilikina, and lightly 2 protected firsts or an unprotected first and either Oquinn or Hernangomez

The Nuggets

Wilson Chandler

And then one of Harris, Murray or Mudiay

Then one of (or 2 If its Mudiay) a 1st, Hernangomez, Barton, or Nelson



Both Dudley and Chandler if the Cavs want them

Then either Jackson, Warren, or a 1st and Bender

The Heat

Dragic, one of their young wings, and a 1st or 2


2 of Middleton, Maker, Parker, and Brogdon

1 of Snell, Henson Monroe, Teltovic, And a 1st


And if it plays out long enough

One of Teague and Dieng

Plus possibly a lesser asset like Tyus Jones or a heavily protected pick.


1.) 29 Jul 2017 03:05:52
Too much from mil.




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24 Jul 2017 05:14:37
Theoretically, if the Cavs trade Lebron what do you think are the best landing spots for him. Obviously the rumor is the Lakers, but it seems as though there are better places.

Boston would be pretty ideal with their combination of young talent and ability to compete now. As he declines the young players could begin to pick up the slack.

San Antonio would be pretty interesting. The combination of him, Leonard, and Pop would be able to compete with the Warriors potentially.

Houston, Minnesota, and the Thunder would all be great landing spots.

What do you think would be the best landing spot in a Lebron trade (assuming he oks anywhere).


1.) 24 Jul 2017 05:46:32
There's just no reason for him to want to be traded, because in a trade, the team he'd be going to would have to give up a lot of value to get him which would likely significantly worsen the team before LeBron got on it. It makes much more sense for LeBron to go to a new team as a free agent so the other team doesn't have to really give up anything.

2.) 24 Jul 2017 07:03:16
Trading Lebron would be so complicated I'm not sure it could happen. Lebron has most of the power as he can control what team he goes to and in a sense can limit what Cavs get in return by vetoing the trade. He obviously wouldn't want the team he is going to completely gutted in the trade but he also has to have Cavs getting enough value back that they'd be willing to trade him. I think that would be a difficult balance to reach especially since Cavs with Lebron are still likely favorites to make it to the finals.

Lebron is versatile enough to fit in any good team (and he is good enough for the team to adjust to suit his play style) but based upon his ball-dominant play style he could create a significant adjustment period for certain teams. I can't think of any team sticking out as a much better fit than the rest but with Lebron wanting rings he would probably be best suited staying in the less competitive eastern conference. I guess Celtics would be the best since they are the best team in east outside of Cavs. However, just matching salaries in a trade would be tough for them. They would have to include Horford and Morris Crowder, Tatum, Brown, Smart or IT for salary to work. They wouldn't have much cap space to add a center so they'd likely be rolling with Baynes and a guy they can get for min (do celtics still have MLE? ) but I guess that isn't much different than Warriors.

3.) 24 Jul 2017 20:43:01
I'm sticking with my notion that Golden State could obtain LeBron if they wanted with a Thompson and Green offer. Very unlikely, but I think it helps GS with their future luxury tax issue (and they get the arguable best player in the league) . Cleveland would receive excellent value in my opinion.

Lineups (give or take) :
T. Thompson
K. Thompson

Golden State-
N. Young (or Shaun or Iggy)



22 Jul 2017 00:18:34
The Cavs are in an interesting situation at this point. While at first it seemed like the sky was falling (and maybe it is and I'm wearing my wine and gold glasses) . This could end up being a good thing for the Cavs. The Cavs are in desperate need of defense and Kyrie is a player that everyone in the league sans Portland, Washington, Houston, and Gs will probably try to get. One idea might be moving Lebron to the point in the starting line up and going after some players that can guard multiple positions to slide into the starting line up. Athleticism and Length maybe the only way to combat GS's shooting.


1.) 22 Jul 2017 01:58:50
I agree Kyrie doesn't provide much besides offense (although he is elite at this one thing probably best dribbler in the league and one of best iso players in the league) so moving him could help Cavs in short term by getting a more defensive and/ or deeper team. Kyrie still should have plenty of value due to his age and cheap contract that makes him attractive to a wide range of teams. The issue is teams usually get pennies on the dollar when dealing superstars especially after it goes public that he wants out.

The Lebron at point guard could be something Cavs go to depending on their return but I don't think you can have Lebron at his age chasing around point guards especially when his offensive burden likely increases with Kyrie leaving (they aren't going to get a better offensive player in return but I guess Love has ability to pick up some slack and Tyronne Lue has to step up his play calling which has been virtually nonexistent) . Therefore, I think its a lineup they can go to at times (like Golden States "death" lineup with Draymond at center) but not something they should rely on or even start with.

Based upon the way Cavs offseason had been going I don't think Kyrie's trade request is necessarily a bad thing since it'll force the Cavs to shake things up (prior they seemed like they were going to send out the same team that got easily defeated by the Warriors) . It does however, increase the threat of Lebron leaving but maybe depending on the offers they get and how things play out they decide to deal Lebron too and at least get some promising pieces to rebuild with from trading Kyrie, Lebron (and I guess Love and Thompson would be on the block too) .

2.) 22 Jul 2017 03:42:23
I'm not sold on Kyrie leaving. I think Lebron if he really wants Kyrie to stay will privately pander to him and try to convince him that it can still work. Maybe there was tension all season and we didn't know. I think that Kyrie is at the point of his career like Lebron was where he wants what he wants and since he knows he's a top 15 player, that he will try and go get it if Lebron wants to still be general and not give the title over to Irving. Honestly if he talks to him and truely hands Kyrie the team I believe he will want to stay and the frustration of the off season will go away.

3.) 22 Jul 2017 04:49:12
Agree Jaw that the offers they receive really determines their course of action, but with a few guys floating out there that seem to have less value than production because of age, injury, or other circumstances; I think it's worth a try to bring some of those guys in and give it atleast one more run. Cleveland isn't a place that attracts free agents and the chances they put together a team that can even make a final aren't great. I think Lebron at point could be an interesting wrinkle. It doesn't mean he has to guard the point. The key would be bringing in a few top level defending wings, but doing that could mitigate the Warriors shooting and the picks they set.

4.) 22 Jul 2017 14:58:50
He wants out specifically for that reason. Who the hell is lebron? Best player. Not the gm. He isn't his master. Or dad. Or boss. He's tired of the situation. And it isn't good. After this season Cleveland is essentially Minnesota 4 years ago. With less talent.



19 Jul 2017 22:59:12
If you're favorite team could have any current player who would it be?

The only rule is you don't take that player off the current team. You get an exact clone and both teams still have the player. (Only so people aren't just trying to weaken other teams with their pick)

As a Cavs fan, I'm tempted to go with Durant or Anthony Davis. Durant and Lebron together would create an insane offensive team and Anthony Davis could control the paint and be the shot blocker that the Cavs need. He also would be a player that the Warriors don't have an answer for.

That said I go with Kawhi Leonard. I think alone he turns that Cavs into a formidable defensive team. They could stick him on the opposing teams best player and give Lebron the freedom to roam, which is where he's at his best on defense. He would probably share 3rd option responsibilities with Love on offense letting him expend more energy on defense and the offensive boards.

A line up of Kyrie, Leonard, Lebron, Love, and Thompson is probably the best rebouding team in the league with an average rebounder in Irving and then above average rebounders every where else. That line up is probably better than the Warriors.


1.) 20 Jul 2017 00:27:36
Not a warriors fan but if Warriors could have a A. Davis, it's game over.



17 Jul 2017 17:28:39
The Cavs get Melo, Covington, and Danny Green

The 76ers get Jefferson and Love

The Knicks get Bayless, Saric, Felder, and a Cavs 2nd

The Spurs get Shumpert and a protected Philly 1st

The Cavs get a guy who can fill in the offense hole left by Love, and 2 good 3 and D players.

The 76ers get a star to team with there young players. If Embiid can stay healthy and Simmons and Fultz can be as good as advertised, this team has a chance to be really good sooner rather than later.

The Knicks immediately save close to 15 million dollars. They don't take on any long term contracts. They get Saric who had a solid rookie year, Felder who has some potential, and a 2nd.

The Spurs get a younger player who fill in for Green, a first, and cap space next year.


1.) 17 Jul 2017 19:02:28
Actually I like it for all the teams involved. Not sure I could poke holes in any of the teams returns. Some philly fans probably think they are giving up too much but if pick is lotto protected especially with the addition of Love it shouldn't be that good especially with them in the east. However, Knicks receiving Saric and taking back minimal salary is a little too good to be true for Knicks so maybe philly could afford to give up slightly less.

Spurs are only team that takes a step back in this trade but the pick I think more than makes up the value gap between Green and Shumpert.

2.) 18 Jul 2017 18:14:04
I like the deal but I would leave Jefferson out because he's a good locker room guy and LeBron seems to like him.



10 Jul 2017 19:54:02
A way to early tiering of the NBA teams

Tier 1

Self explanatory

Tier 2

A few teams have made strides, but they're all a two way star away

Tier 3
The Spurs, Celtics, and Rockets

They're great teams and in the past they would be real contenders, but without injuries or a major move these teams don't have much of a hope of making the finals.

Tier 4
The Wizards, Raptors, Thunder, and Timberwolves

Teams that would probably be extremely disappointed by not making it past the first round, but don't have a real shot past that.

Tier 5

The Clippers, Grizzlies, Blazers, Heat, Nuggets, and Bucks

Solid playoff teams.

Tier 6

Jazz, Pelicans, 76ers and Hornets

Teams around 500

Tier 7

The Hawks, Hornets, Pacers, Magic, Mavs, and Suns

Sub 500 teams with some talent on the roster.

Tier 8

The Bulls, Knicks, Kings, and Lakers

Bad teams

Tier 9

The Nets

Bad contracts and young table scraps

What did I get wrong?


1.) 10 Jul 2017 20:14:25
Hornets tier 7*.

2.) 10 Jul 2017 21:32:23
Id put Houston and San Antonio in Tier 2 and Put OKC in Tier 3 with Boston.

3.) 10 Jul 2017 21:56:30
Pistons tier 6*.

4.) 10 Jul 2017 22:49:26
I think Bucks have the chance to jump into the 4th tired especially with the east being down. I also don't think Cavs or Spurs are quite as untouchable as they've been since both haven't made any significant moves and are getting older when they aren't that young of teams to begin with. Cavs in particular I think are too comfortable with their whole "well turn it on in the playoffs" and nonchalant attitude picking up bad habits that could hurt them against a hungry Celtics team.

5.) 11 Jul 2017 01:22:00
Jaw, I would agree if I didn't see the Cavs play a terrible regular season and then turn it on when the playoffs started. I think this year they also take Boston a little more seriously. I was nervous as a Cavs fan going into the playoffs and they turned it on. Lebron, Jr, and the bench are getting old, but Kyrie is just entering his prime, Lebron doesn't look like he's slowing down yet (maybe this is the year it starts, but he had one of the best years of his career), Love had his best year as a Cav, and I'd be surprised if there isn't another move or two.

I agree its close with the Bucks as well Jaw, but I don't think they have a chance at beating any of the teams in the tier above them this year if they're healthy.

Da Bulls, I thought about putting San Antonio in the 2nd tier, but I just can't see that team having a realistic shot in a series with the Cavs. They have the best defense in the league, but on offense they just don't have the horses.

As for Houston, I just don't see them being significantly better with Paul. I could be wrong, but he and Harden together doesn't seem like a great pairing. They both thrive with the ball in their hands. I'm not saying they won't be better, but I feel like they'll both have to sacrifice.

I feel the same way about OKC as the Bucks. They're probably the best team in their tier, but I don't see them being able to win a series against the teams in the tier above them.

6.) 11 Jul 2017 01:59:50
The Hornets belong in tier 6.

7.) 12 Jul 2017 00:26:11
NBA, I struggled with the Hornets and Pistons more than any other teams. I almost created another tier just for them. I was going to put them both in 6, but I ended up thinking Dwight may be more of a negative than a positive for them. I also thought I may be overrating them just because they both could make the playoffs in the East.




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19 Aug 2017 04:28:30
Maybe 3 years ago this made sense.




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19 Aug 2017 03:14:26
Mitchsam, Melo can opt out after this year. Buyouts are negotiated. The Knicks would save a few million this year, wouldn't have to worry about Melo getting hurt and opting in next year (there would be no cap hold for Melo next year) and not have a pouting Melo in their locker.
Unless they can get an asset or two and not take on any bad contracts in a trade, it's going to me a much better option than keeping Melo or wasting cap space on bad contracts.




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18 Aug 2017 17:50:11
The Knicks would be better off buying out Melo. They would save a significant amount of money and they don't really recieve anything they would value in the trade

It's not terrible for the Cavs, but with Irving with a foot out the door and Parker's knee injuries, the Cavs are probably better off keeping Love for now. If he has a big season as the 2nd option, his value could increase by a ton.

It's a no brainer for Houston. They win this deal by a mile.

The Bucks get robbed blind. Monroe is expiring and when healthy Parker is far better and younger than anything they get back. Houston is going to have to package a first with Anderson just to get someone to take on his huge contract. They can't expect to get anymore than expiring contracts in a deal for him.




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18 Aug 2017 17:03:08
Ryan Anderson has negative value. You'd probably have to give up a first to get rid of him.




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18 Aug 2017 00:15:07
The value is off in both trades by a ton. The Cavs and Houston get shafted in the first and Memphis in the 3nd.





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