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17 Feb 2018 20:20:24
If Lebron stays

The Clippers get Hill, Osman and the Cavs 2021 1st

The Hornets get Thompson and the Brooklyn 1st

The Cavs get Walker and Jordan (opts in)

rkenne_16

1.) 17 Feb 2018 21:34:16
Clips would want Jordan and salary more than Hill. They have Beverly. Thompson would add to the bad deals in CHA, so a pick, and a bad contract for Walker doesn't add up. Thompson makes 5 mil more is this even possible?


2.) 17 Feb 2018 21:55:58
Fair trade hill contact only one MIL guaranteed next year.


3.) 18 Feb 2018 04:21:50
Hill is guaranteed next season.


 

 

15 Feb 2018 22:36:33
I want to prefix this with Aaron Gordon is a restricted free agent. So his presumed value is probably more than Philly fans would expect, but less than Orlando fans would have want.

Philly gets Aaron Gordon(s and t)

Orlando gets Saric, the Lakers pick (or Sac top 5 protected reverting to the Philly 2019) and 2 2nds

rkenne_16

1.) 16 Feb 2018 00:27:25
Not a bad trade.
Gordon is definitely a better player then Saric, but not "enough better" to also include a lottery pick this year in a very strong draft. I think the chemistry with Saric works great in philly. he's 23, on a bargain basement contract, is putting up 15 pts and 7 rebs a game, and is shooting 39% from 3pt. Again, I really like Gordon, but not the move for the sixers.


2.) 16 Feb 2018 10:54:36
Agree with Jvoug. Gordon is a good player, but no need for philly to give up Saric and a good draft pick.


3.) 16 Feb 2018 15:31:07
I actually think its a bit high of a price but it makes Philly, an up and coming team, even more dangerous. Maybe Orlando gives a bit more but overall i like this trade.


4.) 16 Feb 2018 21:24:03
If philly land this years lakers pick the kings pick goes to Boston. As part of the Fultz deal.
Gordon adding a jumpshot has elevated his game and potential so Saric and a lottery pick is fair as Gordon has star potential but even if he does reach it he will still be a quality player and complement Philly core but not sure Orlando will part with him.


 

 

11 Feb 2018 14:06:51
Cavs off-season if Lebron leaves.

Try to get a sign and trade for Lebron. If he goes to Houston, Gordon, Anderson and 2 1sts for Lebron. Then shop Gordon for a 1st.
If he goes to the Lakers. 3 1sts and Deng for Lebron or 2 1sts, Deng and one of the Lakers lesser prospects like Hart.

Shop Love for a mid level prospect, a first and try to shave some money off the cap. Preferably, they get the deal done before the season. They need to tank to get their own pick next year.

Resign Hood.

Take on bad contracts and young assets for Hill's contract.

Try to trade Korver to save money and buy out Jr Smith.

Scour the g league and etc to fill out the roster with marginal young free agents. Also, be willing to Hood and Clarkson for the right price at the deadline.

rkenne_16

1.) 11 Feb 2018 15:17:43
LBJ opt's in

LA: LBJ

Dallas: Deng+ JR Smith+ 1rnd pick Cle 2018+ 1rnd pick LA 2019+ 1rnd pick LA 2021

Cle: H Barnes.


2.) 11 Feb 2018 15:25:46
I'd take the picks over Barnes. The Cavs need to make sure they're bad enough to get the pick they traded to the Hawks the next 2 years. Barnes is a good player, but he doesn't look like an allstar and the Cavs won't be anywhere near a team that can get out of the 1st round. He isn't worth potentially 4 picks including the lottery pick that they would lose. The Cavs need to embrace the process if Lebron leaves. It's the only way to build a contender in a small market.


3.) 11 Feb 2018 17:48:28
No way they get that package from Houston in a sign and trade deal. Anderson 1st and 2nd rounders more likely.


4.) 11 Feb 2018 18:01:19
Tonch, they would have to give up Gordon and Anderson just to match salaries to get Lebron. If they cleared cap space any other way, they would have to trade Gordon and Anderson plus renounce the rights to Capela and Ariza. If they have serious interest in Lebron, they can't get him without a sign and trade or Lebron opting in and being traded. The Cavs would need a pretty solid package to get back since taking back more than 10 millionish would keep them in the luxury tax.


5.) 11 Feb 2018 21:51:48
the anderson+gordon deal makes sense. lakers s+t is unnecessary and cavs should have no interest in taking deng. maybe if lakers resign and offer kcp and lopez it could happen.


6.) 11 Feb 2018 23:28:19
Dona for 3 1sts, it would be worth it. It wouldn't be hard for them shed enough money to offset taking on Deng. At worse they could stretch JR and it would get them under the tax treshold.


 

 

08 Feb 2018 18:22:59
Done trade

Miami gets Wade

Cleveland gets Hill and Hood

Sacramento gets Joe Johnson and Shumpert

Utah gets Rose and Crowder

rkenne_16

1.) 08 Feb 2018 18:34:17
All true but separate trades. Cavs got a "heavily protected" 2nd round pick from Miami for Wade.


2.) 08 Feb 2018 18:40:57
Yeah the 2nd went to the Kings immediately though so it's essentially a 4 way deal when you lay it out even if the Wade trade was separate.


3.) 08 Feb 2018 19:25:37
Utah got ripped off. Big time.


4.) 08 Feb 2018 19:39:11
Jorga, apparently, they were really high on Crowder. I'm surprised how little they ended up getting for him. I'm accused of being a Cavs homer and I thought they should have gotten atleast a late 1st as well.


5.) 08 Feb 2018 20:06:53
Apparently THEY were high for being high on Crowder. Utah supposedly had 20 teams inquire about Hood and that was the best they could do? Wow.


6.) 11 Feb 2018 04:41:27
Crowder is cheap and way better and healthier than Hood. Utah wants to win games next year and Jae is a great complimentary player.


 

 

08 Feb 2018 17:35:58
Frye, IT and the Cavs 1st for Clarkson and Nance

Done deal. It feels like a desperation move for the Cavs. This isn't particularly good at helping in a rebuild and it doesn't help them win now. Any locker room positive from getting rid of IT is offset by losing Frye (although IT wasn't playing well, he wasn't wrong about anything he was saying). I don't understand the logic around it.

rkenne_16

1.) 08 Feb 2018 17:44:43
Thomas was a pebble in LeBron's shoe. It was clear he wanted IT out (he even froze out Thomas during the on-court celebration last night) . Getting rid of Thomas and keeping the Brooklyn pick enables Cleveland to keep James somewhat happy and at the same time be prepared for if/ when LeBron walks.


2.) 08 Feb 2018 17:49:17
@rkenne_16, Look down 3 spaces, I stated this 15 minutes ago! but, Thanks for the reminder! Now, The Cav. s should get rid of Lue, and hire Fitzdale to replace him!


3.) 08 Feb 2018 18:06:57
Great move by Lakers. I see Ball-Kuzma-George-AD combo with IT as sixt player.


4.) 08 Feb 2018 18:50:46
Rubio, I don't see how they could get AD unless they were willing to give up atleast 2 of Ball Ingram and Kuzma, if not all 3.


5.) 08 Feb 2018 19:32:09
Thomas, and Frye are expiring. That was the luring factor. Thomas is a defensive liability. Clarkson, and Nance were going to go someway, somehow. LAL got their pick. CLE is better now, and in the future with this deal.


 

 

 

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17 Feb 2018 17:20:24
Let's assume that Lebron signs a long term contract with the Cavs and the Brooklyn pick falls top 5. Do you try to package the pick for a star?

rkenne_16

1.) 17 Feb 2018 18:10:33
Yeah like whiteside.


2.) 17 Feb 2018 21:36:17
If it's No.1 then Doncic is chosen, and the worry of signing Hood goes away.


3.) 17 Feb 2018 21:58:45
Brook pick and Smith plus Thompson for whiteside.


4.) 17 Feb 2018 22:01:54
Then can resign hood with no problem and waive hill.

James
Hood
Osman
Love
Whiteside
With Clarkson korver Nance jr and green as main bench players.


5.) 18 Feb 2018 02:47:58
Sure you can waive Hill, but then you pay 7 mil for 3 seasons for nothing?


 

 

15 Feb 2018 17:12:47
Celtics fans, if it came down to trading either Tatum or Brown in a package for Davis, which one would you rather lose?

rkenne_16

1.) 15 Feb 2018 17:32:06
Definitely not a popular pick but I'd go with Tatum, and here's why.

-Tatum definitely has the better upside to become a star so
it could mean that we can deal less to get AD

-Brown projects to be a better defender then Tatum and has already been given tougher assignments on the defensive end all season. I think with the scoring we would have with Hayward, Irving and Davis it would be better suited to keep the defensive guy in Brown.


2.) 15 Feb 2018 19:11:51
Why is A. Davis constantly rumoured on here? On this site alone as being available? NOP just went through great lengths, and expense to patchwork quilt their team together to make the playoffs? His deal is not expiring anytime soon either. Is it that he had 2-40 point games in a week?


3.) 15 Feb 2018 19:56:53
Jorga, It's common knowledge that Boston wants the guy and there is reason to think that if the Pelicans off-season goes poorly, Davis isn't going to be happy. At that point, it may be worth trading Davis for the Pelicans, while they still have all of the leverage in any deal. I don't think he really has a price tag at this point, but that could change.


4.) 15 Feb 2018 20:02:28
Agree with LarryLegend.

Tatum is an interesting player for NO, if Cousins doesn't resign with them.


5.) 16 Feb 2018 00:38:40
Rkenne, I don't share your sentiment on the timing of your reason-to-think analogy. NOP deserves a shot at putting something together. Same as CLE did with Lebron, and Irving.


6.) 16 Feb 2018 11:11:39
That’s a hard one R-16 because Hayward is coming back probably trade Tatum ahead of Brown.


7.) 16 Feb 2018 16:53:46
Disagree with all the trade-Tatum folks.
Between the two, Brown should go, and here's why: The kid just doesn't look that interested in becoming a big-time NBA player. It's great that he oozes intelligence and has non-hoops interests, but all that doesn't help when you have the ball late in a tie game. These questions were raised when the Celtics drafted him, and I think there are legitimate.


8.) 16 Feb 2018 18:06:00
But Brown wouldn't have the ball in his hands late in a tie game if the Celtics had AD, Irving and Hayward. Trading Tatum, at least in my mind, would bring the cost down for AD. That in itself is a bargain.


 

 

13 Feb 2018 17:32:36
It doesn't look like the Lakers pick is going to convey to the Celtics. Assuming one of Jackson, Bamba or Ayton (most likely Jackson or Bamba), falls to the 5-7 area of the draft should the Celtics package together the Kings pick with the Clippers or Memphis pick and possibly their own or one of their lesser young players to go out and get their center?

It seems like the last piece of the puzzle for their team and it's probably better to get them sooner rather than later. Obviously, Bamba on paper looks like the perfect fit. He's an ultra long athletic shot blocker and rebounder that looks to be developing range to the 3 point line. He still has a ton of upside, but Jackson might be getting over looked. He already has great range, can guard multiple positions and block shots.

He may not have the potential of Bamba or Ayton, but he looks like the type of player Brad Stevens could immediately turn into a plus player on both sides and possibly develop into an elite defender that creates huge match up problems on the offensive end for opposing centers.

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12 Feb 2018 14:29:47
Did Boston mess up by not going out and getting another scorer? How much could a guy like Lou Williams or Evans have helped the Celtics. Outside of Irving, it just doesn't seem like they have anyone that can go out and consistently get their own shot.

rkenne_16

1.) 12 Feb 2018 16:10:46
Where's USA to come on here, and defend another team that isn't the Lakers because of great concern someone has got it all wrong about another team? Enjoy the CLE win, I doubt BOS is in any troubled waters, or has great concern about their future. Heyward is rehabbing, and will be back soon enough. He ought to be a good enough scorer that isn't on an expiring deal, won't cost a 1st, and will be with the team next season.


2.) 12 Feb 2018 17:13:15
Jorga, I agree that long term the Celtics are in a great position, but they need help this year with Brown, Tatum, and Rozier being solid offensive players but not guys that can carry an offense yet or even be 2nd option. They have something like 5 1sts in the next 2 years and only 2 or 3 roster spots. It's not like their own 1st, which wouldn't be an important piece in any trade for a super star, isn't extremely expendable given all of their youth.


3.) 12 Feb 2018 19:49:07
You said it all in your reply rkenne_16. We are in great position long term. Just cause we are going to have a late first this year doesn't mean its expendable. Danny has built this team up by making smart moves over the last few years. By not making a move it showed that he was satisfied in, as Philly likes to say, "Trusting the process". There is no need to speed that up. We will be able to use the draft picks we have to go out and get more players that will help us in the off season, and that won't be on expiring deals.

No player out there, in my eyes, was worth throwing away a 1st round pick to MAYBE help us reach the finals this year. The plan has and always will be, to build for sustainable success.


4.) 13 Feb 2018 04:39:13
MArcus Smart gives the team energy and gives a bit of X factor he’ll be back soon the next draft appears deep so keep them picks Golden State still another level.


 

 

09 Feb 2018 20:32:22
What's the biggest surprise of the deadline?

Personally, I think it's how little the Jazz ended up with for Hood, but a 2nd for Elfrid Peyton, who's been solid this year seems pretty surprising. I also expected Boston to make atleast a minor deal.

rkenne_16

1.) 10 Feb 2018 16:03:15
can tyson chandler get a buyout phx suns or brook lopez from lakers because cavs needed to sign a big man centers.


2.) 10 Feb 2018 20:28:32
1. Hood
2. Mudiay (DEN payed a 2nd)
3. E. Peyton.


3.) 11 Feb 2018 00:49:45
Dawg, I've seen those 2 as potential buyouts and Brandon Wright. They all would be solid additions. I think Wright would be the most likely of the 3 though. The Lakers have no reason to intentionally tank. So buying out Lopez might be kind of pointless. Chandler has 2 years left on his contract, which makes it more difficult given the money left.


 

 

 

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17 Feb 2018 16:41:01
The trade is terrible for the other two teams. I think Brooklyn would need some good picks for Russell at the minimum and I can't see Atlanta being interested in any of that return.

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15 Feb 2018 16:04:09
Unless they hit on the lottery, there is no way they get that Lakers pick. There are just to many awful teams and the Lakers have more reason to try and play well (convince free agents there is talent) than go full youth movement.

That trade isn't any where near Davis. On Paper that's less than the Cavs got for Irving and Davis is a better player and on a longer contract. Plus, NOs has no reason to move him. Horford has little value to NOs if they trade Davis. That Sacramento pick would have to be added at the very least and that's only if you can find a 3rd team to give up serious assets for Horford. I think a package would have to include Tatum/ Brown, Sac pick and a third team for Horford bringing some young assets/ expirings to NOs plus maybe another pick.

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14 Feb 2018 21:10:14
Jorga, Hood might have gotten 18 or 20 million last summer or the summer before, but with all that bad contracts that have been signed the past few years the market seems to have flipped. Look at that Lou Williams deal or Caldwell-Pope having to sign a 1 year deal after I think he'll get closer to 12 million a year. The team with money are going to go after big time free agents and try to keep flexible if they strike out. Hood would have to take a fairly big risk and wait out all of the stars deals. He's restricted so the Cavs won't have to panic if he does it. It's a bad time to be a free agent.

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14 Feb 2018 18:28:14
Dacman, that 2nd trade would be a steal for the Pelicans. They would end up with cap space to build around Davis (and possibly Cousins) plus a fairly promising young pg.

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14 Feb 2018 18:21:18
Memphis passes. I can't see them taking on an over priced Plumlee, Faried's expiring, Lydon (just under went a knee surgery and hasn't played a minute this year), a late 1st, and a 2nd. It probably costs a 1st just to get rid of Plumlee.

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