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22 Nov 2017 15:37:46
The Cavs get Bazemore and Dedmond

The Hawks get Deng, Shumpert, Zizic, Osman, Zubac, the Lakers 2020 1st top 5 protected, the Cavs 2021 first top 10 protected and a second from both

The Lakers get Frye(exp) and Bellineli (exp)


1.) 22 Nov 2017 16:55:45
None of those players help the Hawks, and the draft choices are too far down the road to be valuable. Looks like the Cavs dump unwanted bodies and the Lakers dump Deng.

2.) 22 Nov 2017 17:53:43
Shumps expiring will have some value next year, Osman, Zizic and Zubac are all decent prospects to throw into their rebuilding efforts, the Hawks will be rebuilding for atleast the next 4 years so the picks will be fine and having extra picks coming out of a rebuild have worked pretty well for teams like the Cavs, Boston, and Philly. This would give them 7 firsts in the next 4 drafts. They end up with 3 good rebuilding assets 2 decent ones and 2 low end ones for players that don't look to be in their long term plans and use of their capspace, which is going to be hard to use for the next 3 years any way and get out from under their worst contract to boot.

3.) 23 Nov 2017 03:52:50
good additions for the cavs, two guys that can really help their D.

4.) 23 Nov 2017 15:21:10
i like this trade,
maybe Atlanta could get better picks for taking bad contracts
Cleveland should accept a lesser protection (top 5)



22 Nov 2017 14:51:28
Chicago gets Deng, Shumpert (uses trade exception), Randle, Zizic, Osman, the Cavs 2021 first top 10 protected

The Cavs get R. Lopez and Green

The Spurs get Clarkson and a Cavs 2nd

The Lakers get Pondexter (exp) and Frye (exp)


1.) 22 Nov 2017 15:11:48
I can't see the Bulls doing this. They would want some extra draft picks.



19 Nov 2017 20:16:16
Clippers get Rozier, Frye(exp) Osman, a Cavs 2nd and the Celtics 7 mill exception.

Celtics get Lou Williams and a Cavs 2nd

Cavs get Dedmond and Beverly

Atlanta gets Zizic and Calderon


1.) 20 Nov 2017 08:26:06
Celtics isn't trading Rozier for Lou Williams.

2.) 20 Nov 2017 11:27:24
Why? They're about to have to sign Smart for 10 million plus and once Hayward is back there won't be many minutes for Rozeir, who is basically Marcus Smart light. Williams will give them a guy who can come off the bench and generate points on his own. That's something that only Irving can consistently do on Boston's roster.

3.) 20 Nov 2017 11:37:18
Rozier is getting better by the day and Williams is teeing off on the back nine. Maybe Beverley for Rozier, though it's doubtful Boston has any interest in shaking things up right now.

4.) 20 Nov 2017 16:33:37
Rozier for Williams is a decent deal cause like you said we need someone else who can create his own shot, but the 7 million exception is too much. I know its needed for salary purposes but that and helping Cleveland would deter me.

5.) 20 Nov 2017 17:19:57
Larry, the nice thing here is that Williams is on an expiring. That money comes off the cap and lessen the burden of resigning Smart and then the next year Kyrie and Morris. I don't see Celtics being able to justify resigning both Rozier and Smart and since they won't need both given that Irving, imo Smart, Brown and Tatum will play almost all of the minutes at guard once Hayward returns to the line up probably next year. Their 5th guard can either be a veteran on the minimum or possibly one of their picks from next year. Either way they can lock in someone for cheap that won't get a ton of playing time any way. Which will help them stay below the tax line for another year. That's important given the fact that they look like they'll soon be in the luxury for a long time.



18 Nov 2017 16:56:11
The Cavs get Delly, Beverly, and Jordan

The Bucks get Shumpert, Lou Williams, and Griffin

The Clippers get Frye (waive), Teletovic, Osman, Zizic, Thompson, Brogdon, Maker, Parker, and the Brooklyn 1st


1.) 18 Nov 2017 20:13:28
The Clippers should go in a rebuilt mode indeed.

The Cavs take a big gamle, they risk to lose IT, LBJ and Jordan, all for nothing and they don't have the Nets pick anymore for a rebuilt.

2.) 18 Nov 2017 21:05:41
The Bucks say No! No way Milwaukee is trading, Brogdan, Maker, or Parker. Maybe Dellavedova, Teletovic, And Vaughn? The Clippers are sure getting a lot, 9 players and waive one? ) While NOT giving up much? Milwaukee doesn't need Shumpert, Williams or Griffin. (They give up 5 players to get 3 back? ) They need a Center (Okafor? ) . The Cavaliers need all the help they can get!

3.) 19 Nov 2017 00:04:21
Dark side, the Bucks desperately need a second star or they're going to end up like the Cavs during the first Lebron era and Giannis will walk.

4.) 19 Nov 2017 09:45:03
Agree with bucks needing another star or Giannis could walk like to see durant giannis and Unicorn on the same team sky is the limit.

5.) 19 Nov 2017 14:48:44
@ rkenne_16, Agreed, Bledsoe was suppose to be it. But, I don't think Shumpert, Lou Williams or Griffin is the answer. Where would Griffin play? Giannis is now Milwaukee's PF, When Parker gets back, he will be the SF. I would like to see the Bucks trade Vaughn and a 2nd. rd. pick to the 76ers for Okafor. They need a Center. Henson is just a tall skinny PF playing Center, as is Maker. Give the Bucks some time. Bledsoe just got there. Middleton hopefully will pickup his game, as will Snell. Then Parker will be back. Milwaukee does need a 2nd star, (If that's what you want to call it) but, They need a center first.

6.) 19 Nov 2017 14:59:02
@ rkenne_16, Who is the "2nd star" at Cleveland? Love? I Thomas? Tristan Thompson? J R Smith? Give Milwaukee some time, Let them get a Center (Okafor) Let Brogdan (ROY) work with the 2nd team. Milwaukee doesn't need a 2nd star, They need to work as a team. One player can score 20-30-40-50-60. If the team isn't playing, it doesn't matter. let's see what Parker does when he gets back (Feb? ) He was suppose to be the 2nd "Star" before.

7.) 19 Nov 2017 17:15:23
Irving was the second star and IT can become the second star.
And Love is a great PF, he's still a star.

8.) 19 Nov 2017 17:31:03
Darkside, I would take IT or Love over any player other than GA on the Bucks roster. Middleton and Bledsoe are good, but not allstars. Brogdon could be a star, but he doesn't look like a high upside guy and I'm fairly sceptical that Parker can even get back to where he was. Plus, someone is giving him a fairly big contract in the offseason no matter what. It seems like a fairly big roll of the dice for the Bucks, who might have cap problems fairly soon.
Griffin would clearly be the 2nd best player on that team and maybe the best 2nd option in the East. There is no reason to think he can't start at the 5. There aren't many centers in the league who will physically over match him and he would be a nightmare for opposing centers to deal with on the perimeter.
Henson is clearly a center in today's league (a career back up center, but look at the pfs on decent teams, Henson doesn't have the offensive skill to matche them and will struggle defensively on the perimeter) and while Maker looks like he has the skills to develop into a pf, his best position at this point.

9.) 19 Nov 2017 17:54:18
Irving WAS the second star, (Gone, expendable) I Thomas will NOT be a great PG, just a PG. Love might be a Good PF but, NOT a great! Right now, Love is playing Center, And he's NOT a great one! Still a Star?, Or just another option? If L. James leaves, Cleveland will become what they were when James left the first time. Just another team in the East. And nothing more. Young players don't have a chance in Cleveland. What's the average age there? 30-34? Bottom line, Cleveland needs all the help they can get, Then let them play.

10.) 19 Nov 2017 18:19:10
rkenne_16, Any other player? You would take IT or Love for? WOW! Well I guess we all have our favorites. IT will see what Irving was talking about when he starts playing. I don't know about Brogdan and Parker, I have to see Parker play a full season without getting hurt. Brogdan was ROY last year, Now plays with the second unit, So, Will have to see? Griffin is a 6'9" PF. I don't see him as a Center anywhere? 2nd best option in the East? There are still Centers Gasol (Brothers) who would more than match up with him, he's too short for todays Centers, and more Centers Also shoot from outside. Henson and Maker are tall PF's and nothing more. No offensive skills, (Maker's 3 pointers? ) And Henson's left hook? Well, I guess we just have different views. That works for me.

11.) 19 Nov 2017 18:19:59
Love has been an allstar 4 of the last 7 years, including last year and one of the years he missed most of the season.

IT has been an allstar the last 2 years, was an MVP candidate last year, and the best player on the 2nd best team in the East.

Take Lebron off of the Cavs and if they can stay relatively healthy, they make the playoffs. The team would have little upside and would be better rebuilding, but a starting line up of IT Jr Crowder Love and TT with a bench of Rose Shumpert Korver Green and Frye makes the playoffs. If you take Giannis off the Bucks, you have a team similiar to the Suns.

12.) 19 Nov 2017 18:55:28
Darkside any player on the Bucks roster other than Giannis, not any player in the league.
Blake is 6 10 250 ( the average height of an nba center take from the combine is 6 11 and almost no NBA centers have Griffins leaping ability) He's not going to get pushed around by many Centers and on the offensive end, how many centers have the skill on the perimeter and athleticism to guard Blake?
Now let's look at players in the NBA currently playing significant time at pf Arron Gordon, Lebron/ Love/ Jeff Green, Green/ Durant, Horford/ Morris, Morris/ Porter, Ibaka, Aldridge/ gay, Ryan Anderson, Porzingis, Davis, Griffin, Giannis/ Parker, Saric, Kuzma/ Randle, Millsapp/ Chandler, Dieng, etc. All of those players can be effective on the perimeter. A hook shot isn't going to get it done for a pf anymore this isn't 1987 and Henson would struggle guarding those guys and it takes him away from the basket much more often where he's at his best blocking shots. He's a center. Again, I think Maker can develop into a starting pf, but as raw as he is on offense and him still getting used to having to consistently guard the perimeter, C is currently his best position until his game develops.

13.) 19 Nov 2017 18:55:33
Without James, I don't think the Cavs will make the playoffs. They are having a difficult time just winning games now. It was a allstar and MVP candidate with Boston, he's missed to many games to be considered now. Plus staying healthy is the key word. Shumpert is currently out for the next 1-2 weeks with a knee issue. The Cavs would be better rebuilding. With that lineup you stated, Its also possible they won't make the playoffs. No doubt you're a Cavs. fan. I have no team I'm a fan of. Just a basketball fan. I believe Boston wins the East this year.

14.) 20 Nov 2017 08:50:04
I would take IT or Love over any one except GA on the Bucks current roster. I don't think Parker will ever develop into anything more than a third option at this point, I feel the same about Middleton and Bledsoe. Brogdon could, but I doubt it. Griffin is clearly better than all of them by a wide margin.

Also, while at some point Maker could be a starting 4, Henson is clearly a player than can almost only play the 5 in todays league. He's a career backup center.
Griffin could play the 5. There aren't any huge mismatches for him to guard, specifically in the East, and he would be a mismatch for most other centers. It's not like Blake would even be all that undersized at the position.

I think Lou can play the backup pg or sg for the Bucks who could have Giannis and Blake stay in the game opposite of him and be the initiator of the offense. Shumpert can come in and be a versatile defender off the bench.

Also, how is Blake Griffin, Jordan, Williams and Beverly not much? Griffin and Jordan are both all NBA players, Williams is one of the better scorers in the league, and Beverly is probably the best defensive pg in the league. I'm not sure why the number of players coming back matter? In almost every trade for an allstar you see a package of players and picks coming back. Its not like players like Teletovic and Delly have much value.

15.) 20 Nov 2017 08:54:44
Darkside, I am a Cavs fan, but clearly, you're a closet Bucks fan. All of you're posts on this site are about the Bucks and tend to skew in their favor.

16.) 20 Nov 2017 16:04:12
A closet Bucks fan? Actually no, I live in Wisconsin. I don't live in Ohio, Plus the fact I'm NOT a bandwagon jumper! I post about local teams, Nothing more. Pity, Understand one thing, Most peoples "opinions" are like most peoples "backsides" The majority of them "Stink! " Now, Don't you have some Cavaliers to cheer for? Oddly enough, The majority of posters her, actually think their ideas count? Like some GM is going to read it and go, "HEY! " that's what WE should do. For me, Its "Grins and Giggles" and nothing more! You wouldn't happen to have a "fantasy" team also would you? Enjoy your day!

17.) 20 Nov 2017 16:50:07
@RKenne You stated. Dark side, the Bucks desperately need a second star or they're going to end up like the Cavs during the first Lebron era and Giannis will walk.

NOW you know why i reject all the lame Cousins trade ideas.

18.) 22 Nov 2017 08:21:44
Clearly, since you've went back and forth with me for a small book, you're just as invested in the site as I or anyone else is. No need to be pretentious and condescending.

Dacman, the difference in situations is Blake is locked up long term. Cousins may walk after the season and outside of the two bigs, the Pelicans roster is bad and they have no money, picks or players with much value.



17 Nov 2017 14:42:35
The Cavs get Noah, 2018 pick swap top 5 protected, 2020 Knicks 1st lottery protected, and Jarret Jack

The Knicks get Frye, Shumpert, Calderon, a Cavs 2nd and Zizic.


1.) 17 Nov 2017 14:55:18
If Knicks are in clear the books mode i guess this works well Does Thompson slide to PF and start or does he or Noah come off bench?

2.) 17 Nov 2017 15:11:47
Noah comes off the bench. I wouldn't assume he could give more than 15 minutes a night and there is no way either TT or Noah starts over Love.

3.) 17 Nov 2017 16:39:05
I’d still like to understand what the Knicks fans want. Why would you pay such a high price to unload Noah? Are you assuming you sign a star in free agency next offseason? If you don’t, it seems like you just let go of assets for nothing.

4.) 17 Nov 2017 17:39:47
I totally forgot about Love when i made that post. That being said i like the move for Cleveland still. I don't see it as bad for NYK either.

5.) 17 Nov 2017 19:09:00
It's horrible for the Knicks. They aren't going to keep up this winning ways much longer. They have had a pretty easy schedule with a lot of home games. Their pick will still be in the lottery in a supposed load draft class. Noah isn't hurting anything that they are doing in the short term and this deal hurts their long term.

Noah won't be getting traded any time soon. Most likely if the Knicks really want to get him off their books they stretch him.

6.) 18 Nov 2017 03:44:28
Larry legend, multiple sources have said that the Knicks are looking to move Noah and in this trade they only lose one pick and the protection on the picks keep the Knicks from losing out on a high lottery pick. I don't see the Knicks making the playoffs this year, but they look a lot closer than anyone could have guessed. I think stretching him would be a terrible idea. Once they're a playoff team they'll need that cap space. Plus, we all know Dolan isn't going to rebuild for long.

7.) 18 Nov 2017 16:56:30
This is a good trade for NY.
They propably don't make the playoffs, so they keep the pick and they have the capspace for a good free agent.




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20 Nov 2017 17:44:13
What is the most you would be willing to trade for MJ in his prime from your favorite team. *hes on a 1 year deal and could walk at the end of the season.

For the Cavs, I would Say, Love, IT, Zizic, Osman, the Brooklyn pick, a current pick swap, 2020 pick swap, unprotected 2021 pick, and a 22 pick swap.




13 Nov 2017 13:52:27
5 years from now who is the best player in the NBA?


1.) 13 Nov 2017 14:29:43
Giannis Antetokounmpo.

2.) 13 Nov 2017 15:15:10
Giannis is the clear answer.

Although the unicorn may be in competition with a more diverse scoring game 😉.

3.) 13 Nov 2017 15:23:28
I'm going to cheat and do mine in tiers

1 Giannis, KAT, Davis, Durant, Harden, Westbrook
2 Porzingis, Embiid, Curry, Cousins, Simmons
3 Wall, Lebron, Booker Jokic
4 Tatum, Brown, Fultz, Irving Gobert
5 Turner, Russell, Wiggins, Ingram, kid still in HS.

4.) 13 Nov 2017 15:26:29
Kawhi in tier 2 *.

5.) 13 Nov 2017 15:33:47

6.) 13 Nov 2017 15:47:41

7.) 14 Nov 2017 06:24:37
Simmons or AD.



11 Nov 2017 15:16:30
Who are your top ten all time players
Mine are
2 Kareem
3 Lebron
4 Wilt
5 A Magic
5 B Bird
7Bill Russell
8 Oscar Roberson
9 Shaq
10 Hakeem


1.) 11 Nov 2017 23:41:12
What changes would you make?

2.) 12 Nov 2017 07:04:50
Kobe somewhere there.

3.) 12 Nov 2017 14:40:00
Hakeem over shaq.

4.) 12 Nov 2017 18:05:48
What about top ten most entertaining players
White choc
Vincent carter
Dominic Wilkens
I Thomas ( pistons)
Spud Webb.

5.) 12 Nov 2017 20:49:10
Rad- Sneaky choice for you're top ten Kyrie. Some of the stuff he does is unbelievable. I'm not sure you can appreciate him fully unless you've scene him live.

6.) 13 Nov 2017 04:04:16
Take out Roberson and dream add Duncan and Kobe.

7.) 13 Nov 2017 10:05:00
Yeah Kyrie especially now will standout more still wish he played for the Aussie's could finish 2nd in World Cup.

8.) 17 Nov 2017 23:13:41
Take out Roberson and Russell and add Kobe and Isaiah Thomas.



08 Nov 2017 14:27:07
What is Giannis Antetokounmpo's ceiling?
If he can keep up his current pace, he honestly looks like he could be in line for a second MIP and possibly an MVP at 23. It barely looks like he's scratched the surface of what he could be and obviously by his improvement, the work ethic is there. If he can continue to develop an outside shot, work on his post game, and start seeing defenses better; he will be the best player in the game at some point imo. On defense, he's already a one man wrecking crew, but he could become one of the best defenders of all time. He's probably the most physically talented basketball player I've ever seen.


1.) 08 Nov 2017 18:42:17
the ceiling is the roof.



25 Oct 2017 01:28:25
If Fultz is so injured that he can't lift his arm over his shoulder, why is Philly playing him. To this point they've been extremely cautious with their players and it doesn't seem like Fultz can even help the team currently. What possible reason do they have for risking further injury and the development of bad habits?


1.) 25 Oct 2017 13:43:09
Public relations.
They don't want fans to think they were swindled in the Tatum deal. Meanwhile, Tatum is kicking ass for the Celtics.
If Philly gets one good game from Fultz, they can then sit him down.

2.) 25 Oct 2017 18:07:03
warriors ain't breaking up. they will pay the lux tax to keep klay, dray and figure out a way to fill out the roster. if u build a dynasty, role players will come.




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23 Nov 2017 17:14:44
Jordan isn't worth Love, who isn't nearly worth Lillard.




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23 Nov 2017 15:14:23
Triangle, in his defense it's 'for the playoffs' hahahahahah.




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23 Nov 2017 14:25:44
Eh looking at it more I was wrong. That Love trade would be pretty good for the Cavs. Replace Ross with Biyombo and add Calderon and maybe Frye or Shumpert to Orlando and I like it for both teams. Gordon could provide some much needed energy and athleticism for the Cavs, Biyombo gives them a back up center and Peyton could hold down the pg until the Cavs get healthy. Plus, I think playing with Lebron would be great for Gordon. He'll get far more open lanes and 3s and Lebron could help him develop his athleticism into something more.




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23 Nov 2017 12:40:01
Yeah, pretty one sided. The Love one is the closest, but even that wouldn't be done this year. Maybe next year if Lebron walks and the Cavs are starting a rebuild.




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23 Nov 2017 10:15:39
These may be the worst, most one sided, and I'll conceived trades I've ever seen on here, Congratulations.





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