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15 May 2017 13:59:35
Minnesota's dream off season

Pek gets medically waived

They let all of their free agents walk and decline all options

3 way trade

Knicks get Rubio ( They had interest during the season, but can be replaced by anyone with cap space)

Timberwolves get Butler

Bulls get Aldrich, Dunn, Dieng, Minn 17 1st, 19 1st, a NY lottery protected 18 1st, and Muhammad.

They end up with roughly 60 million in cap space.

Sign Paul to the max

Millsap to 4 year 80 to 100 million

Find a cheap back up big

sign Korver or another shooter for 2 years at the MLE

Fill out the roster with cheap veterans

Pg Paul/Jones or Lavine

Sg Wiggins/ Lavine or Korver/Bjelica

Sf Butler/ Korver/Bjelica

Pf Millsap/ Hill

C Towns/ fa

If they could get Butler selling Millsap and Paul on this being a team that could beat the Warriors wouldn't be hard.

rkenne_16

1.) 15 May 2017 14:42:44
Accept lavine, Towns, and Wiggins options* all others decline.


2.) 15 May 2017 14:48:08
If Twolves could swing these moves they'd be a scary team for awhile by adding 3 all-stars and not completely mortgaging their future.

Rubio to the Knicks for a lotto protected 2018 pick isn't bad value for Rubio in fact some may argue its a bit low for a guy that is only 26, on a reasonable contract and who had a very strong final 2 months.

Bulls would probably want Wiggins in a deal for Butler however, this offer isn't terrible. Dunn although he didn't show much this past season and is already 23 still has some upside, Dieng and Muhammad are both youngish but can provide solid production already, Minnesota's 2017 will enable them to add a high level prospect (although may be another point guard), Knicks pick probably wouldn't convey for a few years but still a first and Minnesota's pick would likely be very late but still a first. Aldrich doesn't add much but his contract isn't terrible.

Overall, don't think its quite enough to convince Bulls to move Butler but think its getting close. Probably makes sense to include LaVine and take out Dunn from a value and salary cap point of view.

Adding Paul and Millsap for most teams would be a double-edged sword due to their age but since Minnesota has some of the best young players in the league and would have Butler in his prime in this scenario so it kinda makes it worth it They'd be able to compete heavily now (as Thibs wants) and still likely be able to contend through the final years of their contracts and could refuel through FA once their deals expire. Twolves would encounter some cap issues for 3 years however with Butler, Wiggins and LaVine (if it was Dunn instead he'd be on rookie deal still) all free agents due the max (Wiggins and LaVine would make significantly less due to their years in league) in 2018-19 and Towns would be due max in 2019-2020. Twolves would be able to retain them all since they'd have their Bird rights but they'd be in luxury until Paul and Millsaps deals expire in 2021-2022. 3 seasons of luxury cap would be tough to stomach for a small market team like Twolves but with that lineup they'd be basically guaranteed multiple titles and Warriors wouldn't be the same team and Lebron wouldn't be as dominant.

In 2021-22 Twolves would still have Wiggins, Towns, LaVine (if he isn't traded, Dunn otherwise) and Butler all still under contract. They probably still wouldn't have much cap space but with Wiggins, Towns and LaVine entering their primes and Butler only 31 that lineup would still be able to compete for titles.


3.) 15 May 2017 16:45:23
Depending on where knicks land after lotto I would consider Rubio. Because NY is a Lance Thomas or O'Quinn away from landingtop tier maxed out contract for PG. I rather trade Noah and Pick for Rondo and sign Milsap.


4.) 15 May 2017 17:48:30
Shizze with current state of the Knicks and the way they've treated Melo, why would any max level player want to go there?


 

 

13 May 2017 19:17:07
The Cavs get Turner, Ellis, and Jeffereson

The Pacers get Love, Felder, and the Cavs lottery protected 21 1st

The Cavs end up with a young center who fits perfectly with what the Cavs want out of a big man and his ability to shoot let's Tristan play pf without having to worry about clogging the lane. If the Cavs let Korver walk, Monta can take his minutes and be a solid scoring threat. Jefferson probably isn't in the rotation, but would be a quality guy to have in case of injuries. The Cavs could also look to move Jefferson and Ellis to save money.

The Pacers get a second star to convince George to stay. Love wouldn't have to play on the outside as much as he does in Cleveland and would get more touches. He would probably end up with production closer to what we saw in Minnesota. They also have enough assets to make some smaller moves to improve the team. Turner is a huge loss, but if it helps them keep George it's worth it. I think the Pacers would give up the other two guys for capspace if someone would take them.

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1.) 13 May 2017 23:21:05
Love would be good in Indy especially with a bigger role however I still don't think he alone is enough to convince George to stay since I don't think he turns them into a contender. I think Indy would be better off keeping Turner since he is on a cheap rookie deal and a solid two-way contributor that is young enough to build around if George does leave. They should try and free up cap space (move Ellis and Jefferson) to go after a top FA like Hayward (all indy really has going for them is that Hayward is from Indiana) .

Ultimately, I think Indy's wisest move would be to deal George away to the highest bidder since I don't think its likely he resigns and I don't think they have enough pieces to build an attractive team around him.


2.) 14 May 2017 01:48:31
It would be a big risk for sure Jaw, but they seem committed to trying to keep George. I think adding Love along with a few smaller moves could get them to the 2nd round of the plays and possibly the ecfs if they can avoid the Cavs in the 2nd round.


 

 

13 May 2017 01:34:41
The lakers get Anthony

The Suns get Randle

The 76ers get Clarkson and Lee

The Knicks get a 2018 lottery protected 1st from the suns, an 18 and 20 lottery protected 1st from Philly, 21 lottery protected 1st from the lakers, 2 2nds from philly, and a 2nd from the Suns.

The lakers get out from under their 2 bad contracts, clear out Clarkson's contract, don't have to pay Randle, keep the flexibility to trade for another star, and can let Melo go if he doesn't mesh well with said star.

The Suns get a young big man to go with their guards and wings, fairly cheaply.

The 76ers get two players that can help them win now, one's young enough to fit with their core, can play both guards, would fit at point with Simmons who can be the main ball handler, and could make an ideal sixth man if they upgrade at the point

The Knicks get all the ammo they need to start a rebuild and by the time they can use their cap space all of their bad contracts will be coming off the books.

rkenne_16

1.) 13 May 2017 02:09:04
The knicks also get Deng and Mozgov*. Sorry about that.


2.) 13 May 2017 02:36:01
Knicks are not getting 4 1st round picks for Melo.


3.) 13 May 2017 02:38:09
I think Philly takes out one of the 1st's and you get yourself a deal.


4.) 13 May 2017 03:58:02
No from LA. LA doesn't get rid of their 2 bad contracts. Those are Deng and Mozgov. Clarkson and Randle are on good contracts.


 

 

10 May 2017 02:48:18
Okc gets Miles, young, and George

Indianapolis gets Sabonis, Olidipo, Abrines, Adams, 2022 1st, and 2 future 2nds

rkenne_16

1.) 10 May 2017 07:27:14
I don't think Indy is getting enough. Oladipo and Adams are two good, young, starting caliber players but neither projects to be a superstar, team leading talent and their contracts make it prohibitive for Indy to add additional talent. If I were Indy I'd prefer a package from the Lakers or Celtics which would likely include a top draft pick in this years draft who has superstar potential.


2.) 10 May 2017 09:38:37
I like Sabonis, but i believe we can get a better deal for PG13.


3.) 10 May 2017 14:40:57
Looking at it now I agree with both of you. Wishful thinking on my part. George and Westbrook together would be interesting.


4.) 12 May 2017 04:02:37
I think you have to add kanter in there too but also what is the thunder going to about their bench.


5.) 12 May 2017 04:03:02
and George would have to commit to signing long term with the thunder.


 

 

08 May 2017 16:32:49
The Knicks get Crowder and Rivers

Give up Melo

The Nets get their own 2018 pick, heavily protected 2021 Clippers pick, and Crawford

Give up Lopez

The Celtics get Jordan

Give up Crowder and the Nets 2018 pick

Clippers get Lopez and Anthony

Give up Jordan, Rivers, 2021 protected 1st, and Crawford

The Nets get the picks they need to rebuild and what they were hoping for out of Lopez

The Celtics get to keep this years pick and significantly improve the Center position making them the clear 2nd best team in the East and they keep the flexibility to make another move

The Knicks get Crowder who they've been rumored to really like and a young combo guard without taking on Crawford's contract which was a hold before the trade deadline

The Clippers retool a team that doesn't seem to fit well together and give Paul, Griffin, and Reddick a reason to stick around.

rkenne_16

1.) 08 May 2017 17:04:33
If the Knicks really want Crowder than they are going have to put a package together that has Porzingis as the main player.

When the Knicks blow up the team hopefully Jackson goes as well.


2.) 08 May 2017 17:14:10
Crowder is a solid player, but no one is giving up a package of players for him. Let alone a package with Porzingis in it.


3.) 08 May 2017 18:10:48
It's obvious that Crowder for a package with Porzingis in it is absurd. Boston would have to put picks and other players for him. You just misinterpreted what I meant, as well as I didn't type it the way it should have been typed. My bad.


 

 

 

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12 May 2017 23:51:31
The lakers get Anthony

The Suns get Randle

The 76ers get Clarkson and Lee

The Knicks get a 2018 lottery protected 1st from the suns, an 18 and 20 lottery protected 1st from Philly, 21 lottery protected 1st from the lakers, 2 2nds from philly, and a 2nd from the Suns.

The lakers get out from under their 2 bad contracts, clear out Clarkson's contract, don't habe to pay Randle, keep the flexibility to trade for another star, and can let Melo go if he doesn't mesh well with said star

The Suns get a young decent big man to go with their guards and wings fairly cheaply

The 76ers get two players that can help them win now, ones young enough to dit with their core, can play botb guards, would fit well with Simmons as a starter, and could make am ideal sixth man

The Knicks get all the ammo they need to start a rebuild and by the time they can use the cap space all of their bad contracts will be coming off the books

rkenne_16

1.) 13 May 2017 02:10:17
The knicks also get Deng and Mozgov* sorry.


2.) 14 May 2017 04:26:08
This is beyond stupid for the Knicks. So they get rid of melo and his one or two remaining years and lee who is performing well. They get 3 years of worthless players and all they get are some picks in the 20s a few years away. Awesomely worthless.


 

 

19 Apr 2017 02:32:07
Who do you think the most overrated and most underrated players are in the NBA?
For overrated I have Blake Griffin. He is an amazing talent and has the ability to be an elite player, but he just doesn't seem to have the willpower to win in the playoffs. His stats have regressed, he can't be counted on to play an entire, and at times the Clippers have looked better without him.

For underrated I have Mike Conley. The guy just consistently puts up really good numbers, he can do everything you want your pointguard to do, he would probably put up huge numbers in an offense that isn't designed to shorten the game, and people completely forget the guy exists.

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06 Feb 2017 17:45:51
The Celtics are in an interesting position. They may be the 2nd best team in the east, but have little chance of making the finals. They have a ton of picks and young players that could be used to get one of the many stars that are on the market or they could just keep the draft picks and develop the talent. What should they do? In my opinion they should go after Cousins and Butler. They may have the pieces to get them while keeping Thomas, Bradley, Horford, and Crowder. Then they could worry about the bench in the off season.

rkenne_16

1.) 06 Feb 2017 20:53:55
So you would give up Smart, Brown, Olynyk, Jerebko and the two remaining Brooklyn picks -- both of which could be No. 1 overall -- plus all the other No. 1s they have for Butler and Cousins? Even though Ainge seems to be much better at trades than drafting, I'm not sure I'd do that. Don't forget that Bradley and Thomas are going to have to be paid soon. If the playoffs are one-and-done again this year, then yes I think you'd have to make a major roster shakeup. Just please not Carmelo Anthony.


2.) 06 Feb 2017 22:26:12
I think its the right move. The timeline of the current Celtics roster is one that is a star (Cousins or Butler and a center) away from being a serious contender. With IT and Bradley soon going to be off their bargain deals the time is certainly now.

The Nets picks as great as the players they end up being "could" be they likely wouldn't match the timeline of the rest of this roster. It would be very difficult to develop a player like Fultz when he has to fight for minutes with IT, Bradley, Smart and Rozier. Since they'd still be a good team it would be tough to play Fultz through the growing pains he'll inevitably have. Keeping 2018 pick makes more sense since the draft appears initially heavy at center position but there is risk with it being so far off and no certainty (although it is likely) they get a top pick.

Instead of taking a chance on a young guy who won't fit the rest of the team and could be a bust I rather deal them for Cousins who is still relatively young and already a proven star in the league. He'd enable them to compete right away and make the to attract veteran FA to improve their depth at a discount. I think Celtics should pull the trigger.

If not and they think these Brooklyn pick players are going to be so great they should adjust their roster to better fit them and deal some of their more mature guys for some younger assets that will be able to grow with them. I feel like this is already what they did when they dealt the big 3 and Rondo and have been searching for a star for past few seasons. The window is closing and I think Ainge needs to just pull the trigger (assuming Cousins and Butler are available which I think Boston has the assets to make them so even if they aren't openly shopping them any longer) .


3.) 06 Feb 2017 22:42:04
Supercollider, yes, I would. The young players could develop into something, but theoretically keeping that core and adding those two is far less risky and puts them with the Cavs as the favorites in the east. Also, I agree with Jaw457 that it will be hard to develop young players while trying to win. I really don't think the money will matter if Boston has a championship caliber team.


4.) 07 Feb 2017 02:22:41
Make small moves that don't involve the Brooklyn picks. Trade for an upgrade at big man and a backup wing who can shoot.


5.) 07 Feb 2017 14:40:58
Got to find gold in the next 3 draft's if they cash in now still not going to beat Cav, s in best of 7 little own warrior's Celtic's time isn't far away but not now, Free agency will be important to the C, s Hayward being the main target.


6.) 07 Feb 2017 16:06:35
Hayward is a good player, but he isn't going to put that team over the top and once they resign their own players the team will be capped out. Praying that your picks pan out, you land the right free agents, your current players can keep up their level of play, and your prospects can develop into something seems like a terrible plan. Take the sure things, build around them, and then worry about 10 years from now when it happens.


7.) 08 Feb 2017 22:48:06
I think the Celtics should draft Fultz or Ball and at some point trade Bradley and Nets 18 in a package for Cousins.


 

 

27 Jan 2017 21:34:25
Rebuilding the Knicks
First, They should keep Noah. There is no point in giving up assets to move him if you are going to rebuild. They won't immediately need the cap space and his contract could be worth something in the final year.
4 team trade
The Knicks get Rubio, Pekovic(buyout), S.Muhammad. T. Jones, B.Johnson, Jerami Grant, D. Stone, S.Christon, 2020 1st round pick from the Clippers, and the right to swap with the Clips in 21 and 22
Clippers get Carmelo
Timberwolves get Rose and J. Crawford
The Thunder get. Luc Mbah a Moute and W. Johnson
Then a 3 way trade
The Knicks get B. Marjanovic(cut), Okafor, H. Elleson, and Beno Udrih(cut)
The Pistons get Courtney Lee and Ricky Rubio
The 76ers get Reggie Jackson
Finally, trade O'Quinn, Jennings, and possibly Lance Thomas for whatever assets you can.
If nothing else their D-league team will be impressive.

rkenne_16

1.) 28 Jan 2017 02:21:16
I agree with the Noah part. The trades are a little much and I don't think Knicks will get that much largely since I don't imagine Twolves would be interested in Rose even just as an expiring contract since that still means they are basically trading him for nothing. Also they can get Pek's contract off the books so they aren't even freeing cap space in this trade.

The second trade I don't like either. Knicks are getting a bit much and I don't think Rubio would be a good fit with Pistons. 76ers probably don't have too much interest in Jackson (he wouldn't be that great a pairing with Simmons) but it is decent value for him.


2.) 28 Jan 2017 05:33:33
I was under the impression that if Pekovic did agree to the buyout it would still end up counting against the cap for the next two years (this year and next) and that's assuming he will accept less. If he plans on retiring he could just stay on the payroll and collect the money. They also end up getting rid of Rubio's contract. While D-Rose isn't what he used to be it could be a 1 year audition to see what he adds to the team. It's not like free agents will be falling all over themselves to go to Minnesota. They could end up in a similar position as the Cavs early in the first time around with Lebron, a lot of money and no where to spend it. The trade would help the Timberwolves win now, which is what they want to do. The swaps may be a bit much from the Clippers though.
In the second trade, the Rubio to the Pistons rumors are already out there. Adding one of the better 3 and D players in the league might be enough to push it over the edge. Okafor is a lot for those two and it could be tweaked, but the frame work isn't ridiculous. I agree though, it's all best case scenario for the Knicks.


3.) 28 Jan 2017 19:14:57
You have the Knicks trading 4 players and getting 12. You do realize this is absurd. Right? At least go for reality.


4.) 29 Jan 2017 02:00:19
They are trading 4 players and getting 10, but 3 are getting cut and most of the players can be optioned to the d-league. They will have to sort through and figure out which players they actually think have the potential to be contributors in the NBA. Look at what teams like the 6ers and Cavs did when they were rebuilding. They went through a ton of young fringe nba players. Those players are far more valuable to a rebuilding team than mediocre vets that won't be there by the time team has turned around and may win some pointless games and hurt their draft position.


 

 

27 Jan 2017 19:49:30
2 trades that would probably never happen, but could help the Cavs match the Warriors.

Cavs get Dwade and Jimmy Butler
Boston gets Kevin Love
Bulls get Amir Johnson (exp), Shumpert, J. Brown, Smart, Jefferson(waive), C. Andersen(waive), J. McCrae, Boston 2018 pick(it has a swap with the Nets), Cavs 2020 1st, a swap option in 2021 with the Cavs, 2 future 2nd round Cavs picks, and Cash to facilitate the waives.

2nd Trade
Cavs get Paul George
Pacers get Irving, Felder, the rights to Cedi Osman, and the Cavs 2022 1st round pick

Cavs then Sign Chalmers, Josh Smith, and possibly another big (unless better option come available)

Cavs Line up
JR Smith/Dwade/Chalmers
J. Butler/ D.Liggins
P. George/K.Korver/J.Jones
Lebron/J.Smith
T.Thompson/C.Frye

The Cavs switched everything in the finals last year and with this lineup there would be far fewer defensive miss matches to be exploited. It also gives the cavs more play makers.

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24 May 2017 02:34:37
No way is Russell worth more than the 3rd and even that might be slightly rich.

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23 May 2017 23:39:06
Terrible for the Bucks. Dwight clogs up the paint, destroys teams, has a ridiculous contract, and is declining quickly .

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23 May 2017 23:33:01
I doubt Porzingis goes anywhere unless someone is willing to give up a stupid amount of picks and young players.

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23 May 2017 23:31:25
I agree with the Lee part Cali, but no way should Brooklyn give up a 1st. Lopez is still a really good center and they have to take on the worse contract in the league.

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23 May 2017 19:34:01
larrylegend, I disagree. If the 76ers are willing to overpay for the first pick, a team starting a rebuild like the Pacers might value the extra picks/ young players. I doubt that it could be done without the third overall pick being involved though.

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