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13 Aug 2018 05:43:52
Lakers plan.
After season trade three first round picks Ball, Ingram wagner and Deng expiring contract for Davis. Lakers will have cap to max out Leonard. And like twenty more to spend. With James at 35 Leonard and Davis would be 2020 champs


1.) 13 Aug 2018 05:59:01
Not enough for Davis. Ingram, kuzma, Ball, and Hart plus multiple firsts is the minimum offer (that would still be rejected) .

2.) 13 Aug 2018 06:27:00
Don't go there bro.

3.) 13 Aug 2018 07:13:22
The only way Davis or any player worth that value, is when they in there rookie contract. You don't give up multiple young players with lots of potential for a player with two years left. Pacers didn't get half that for George or spurs downgraded getting derozan. What superstarr was traded and the team got multiple picks and got young players with lots of potential. What about melo denver got a lot of players with low potential. Look what magic got for Howard. Ball and Ingram plus 3 picks is enough for Davis especially ayer this year completely done.

4.) 13 Aug 2018 12:28:59
Name a superstarr who got traded and the opposite got 4 players with star like potentially

shaq, what did they get when they traded him. No where near 4 young players and 3 picks.

5.) 13 Aug 2018 14:13:29
Shaq was a free agent signing.

Teams don't trade top 5 players in the league.

Ingram, Kuzma, Ball, HArt - you consider these 4 players with star potential? that's cute. No one else does.

6.) 13 Aug 2018 14:18:28
Name a superstar that got traded with multiple years left on their deal in recent memory.

You might not give up that much, but teams also don’t give up superstars that aren’t on expiring deals either.

7.) 13 Aug 2018 14:57:16
Shaq got traded to Miami.

8.) 13 Aug 2018 15:12:28
Blake Griffin got traded with 5 years, harden got traded at rookie, derozann with 3. After this year Davis will have two years left with player option. So basically expiring contract. Like I said after seasonn trade. The package I put together is better then what the Bulls got for Butler expiring deal, better then Chris Paul, Paul Georgeand Blake Griffin with 4 years Left.

9.) 13 Aug 2018 15:32:18
Shaq was 32 and that was 14 years ago (not what I'd call recent memory for trade history) .

Supermax deals also didn't exist then, so retaining superstars wasn't as easy as it is now. Different era of contracts/ cap.

I'd say the Melo deal is similar. There were a lot of high value guys in that deal. Just because none of them turned into stars doesn't mean there wasn't a lot of young talent. My guess is that in 5 years, you say the same about those 4 Lakers. A lot of talent, but none really turned into a true star.

And you have to beat Boston's potential offers. I think they'd offer Tatum and Rozier (as much as Boston fans don't want to believe it), which beats just about anything LA can try.

10.) 13 Aug 2018 17:55:55
Yeah, to try and make an argument based off shaq at the tail end of his career, awesome.

Harden got traded on a rookie contract? that's your example? The thunder were unable to workout a contract extension for a sixth man averaging 16pts, and played no defense. They got 2 1sts and a second, 2 players, and that was for a non-established "star" Derozzen got traded. FOR A BETTER PLAYER.

Point is, it doesn't happen. Especially not for a package as little as you are suggesting. Davis is a flat out, established, stud. Top 5 player in the league. you're trying to convince everyone, and probably yourself, that Hart has star potential. A guy who is 23 and averaged 7 pts, not really a "star" in the eyes of anyone who watches basketball.

11.) 13 Aug 2018 18:40:39
Howard and Paul where top five players when traded. The cap is different and the super max is but the ratio is about the same. Like when cap was 80 mil a max could get the same 30-35 percent of cap. So no big difference. After Hart kuzma ball and Ingram play with james there going to blossom. So top players on expiring deals don't get traded which is what Davis will be next year like when the trade take place. Butler, Leonard, Paul, George, Howard, d will, love, all on expiring deals and either team got a package like 3 first and got 4 young players on rookie contracts with lots of potential. Ingram and kuzma averaged 16 as rookies. b all ten and 7 7 and Hart was not really given a chance but in summer league he stood out so that's potential there.

12.) 13 Aug 2018 18:54:30
This is the best i can remember:

I believe the Lakers traded 4 picks for S Nash ( tragedy started in 2012 and ended in 2018

The Suns traded S Cassel+ M Finley+ AC Green for J Kidd

Chris Paul was traded for E Gordon, C Kaman and Aminu ( an all star and two talented prospects in 2011)

Boston traded for Garnett, giving up A Jefferson a future draft pick and the return of the Wolves pick.

K Garnett and P Pierce for the Nets future

The Nets traded for D Williams, giving up D Harris, D Favors, two first round picks and cash.

13.) 13 Aug 2018 19:13:49
Lakers traded 2 first 13 and 15 for Nash. Everything else seems close and legit. But my point no where near 4 young potentially players and 3 picks.

14.) 13 Aug 2018 20:32:28
Eh, fine, keep Hart, no one thinks he has much potential but Laker fans. Probably be Ingram, Kuzma, Ball, and a first. And again, I don't think NO accepts that offer.

I just don't think the same that you do about those players. They're nice young players, but if I had to bet on the over/ under of all star appearances by all 3 players combined at 1.5, I'd take the under.

I'd want more high end potential for a top 5 player.

15.) 13 Aug 2018 21:32:49
I think players reach potential by how there coached like Leonard and Butler. Plus being ateam with great players helps your growth.

Still to much for expiring deal no matter who the player is. Think it's too much because after this year and those players playing with the king will develop better.

16.) 13 Aug 2018 22:39:49
You throw Deng in there too there is no way possible New Orleans excepts this trade! Ingram is the only good piece and I don’t think he will ever be a allstar and ball gets you his dad and nobody wants that person. yes 3 1st rd picks are great but a team with lebron davis and whoever gets you pick 27 if not higher so no from pelicans.

17.) 14 Aug 2018 01:53:54
There still first picks and can be traded with there own pick to move up in draft. Next year Deng will have one year left so he can be waived so don't see no harm especially when you getting two top picks in Ingram and ball plus 3 first.

18.) 14 Aug 2018 03:49:01
Next year when the scenario is taking place Davis will be an expiring contract. This would be good but there would be other deals in play.

19.) 15 Aug 2018 12:07:03
Harden was a zero time all star that had some potential, but no one thought he was an MVP when he got traded.

Blake is breaking down and hadn't been an all star in a couple years when he got traded.

Derozan was traded for a top 5 player. And he's not close to the player AD is, he's not a top 5 player.

Davis' value drops when they offer him a supermax and he doesn't take it. At that point, every team in the NBA will call and offer something. LA has to beat EVERYONE in the NBA. Ingram, Ball, and a handful of picks 27-30 doesn't seem like the best deal anyone in the NBA would offer.



09 Aug 2018 18:22:54
Cavss get hardaway, Lee and Noah plus unprotected first pick 2019 Knicks.

Knicks get Chandler, Smith and hill.

Suns get Thompson plus second from Knicks and Cavs. Or the Suns can have Clarkson and korver

Cavs take on lots of salary but gain quality pick.

Knicks clear space and only cost them there pick if there confident they can sign Butler and Irving they should do this in heart beat.

Suns add depth while ayton develops. Plus two decent second round picks from lottery teams.


1.) 09 Aug 2018 20:02:30
The Knicks pick will be around 5. They have zero interest in trading it to save like 5 mill.

2.) 09 Aug 2018 20:21:17
The Suns can’t turn this down fast enough assuming they even have the cap to do it.

3.) 09 Aug 2018 20:43:08
ny will waive noah rather than lose an unprotected first (they will be bad this year) and i think they still value thj.

4.) 09 Aug 2018 20:47:48
Knicks will not give away a likely top 5 pick for this deal. They have shown they are not willing to add it to get rid of Noah, or he would already be gone.

5.) 09 Aug 2018 23:44:00
First Knicks are saving way more then 5 million. There clearing Noah Lee and hardaway to have cap for Irving and Butler. Not just Noah. Suns are trading chandler for t Thompson and two seconds don't need cap.

6.) 09 Aug 2018 23:45:19
If they waive Noah that's good but how can they clear Lee and hardaway to have cap for Irving and Butler.

7.) 10 Aug 2018 01:11:55
Triangle- by overpaid him. Nobody else values his skill/ contract.

8.) 10 Aug 2018 17:54:08
I understand that, but you all are missing the point. Knicks have already said they’re not giving up that pick to move contracts. Lee has value and can be moved for an expiring deal, and Hardaway is likely part of the future plans.

Take the Lakers as an example as to why the Knicks don’t move that pick. PG13 was bought and paid for this offseason? Nope. Claw will make his way there through trade? Nope.

Knicks should not, and all indications suggest they won’t give up future assets on the chance they land an All-Star next year.

9.) 11 Aug 2018 01:51:10
There giving up a pick to have cap to add quality players to zing, Knox, Williams and the next glove. Like the Lakers dumped Russell And mozgov got Lopez for expiring deal. The Knicks don't need picks they need cap space. Because zinger is ready to compete now not wait on developing players. So with cap they can and players will go to new York to play with Knox zingerr Williams and the next glove.



04 Aug 2018 15:02:36
Something I saw online

CJ and Turner to Cavs.

Cedi, hood, hill and korver and two first to blazers


1.) 04 Aug 2018 16:58:00
Did you post it?

2.) 04 Aug 2018 18:16:52
Neither Mccollum or Lillard is a guy you build a team around. Both are 2nd option role players no matter what contending team you place them on. It's why I would trade lillard first. Blazers would get the most value per $ and this isn't enough. Derozan and Lillard I estimate as having close to the same value. Lillard for Butler, Taj Gibson, 1st seems about right. Cavs appear to not have a deal like that to give.

3.) 05 Aug 2018 02:27:41
Portland Save's money but I think it's going to be ball, Deng and Hart plus two first for Dame by trade deadline.

4.) 05 Aug 2018 04:27:12
If the Lakers swing that and Leonard signs then the Lakers would be a true blue contender. It's a decent offer.

5.) 08 Aug 2018 05:54:24
Lillard was 4th in mvp voting, allstar, and an all NBA first team, what do you consider a #1 guy?



22 Jul 2018 04:19:36
Lakers get ibaka Butler and Leonard

Wolves get ball and Batum plus Lakers 2019 first

Hornets deng and Stevenson plus Lakers 2019 second.

Raptors get kcp Ingram teague rondo plus 2021 first Lakers.

James Butler Leonard kuzma ibaka


1.) 22 Jul 2018 04:50:39
Meant to give Toronto Gibson.

2.) 22 Jul 2018 05:04:55
Wolves say no. They get a young player with potential while taking on a terrible contract and the 1st would be a low 1st. The wolves lose this trade.

3.) 22 Jul 2018 06:25:21
I think wolves do it because if they lose Butler who else would they sign.

4.) 22 Jul 2018 15:50:41
Yes, Batum is a bad contract, but nowhere close to the realm of Deng’s. I don’t see the Hornets saying yes to this one.

5.) 22 Jul 2018 19:34:44
By trade deadline Deng well be owed only like 22 mil easily can buyout. Batum can contribute and has few years left so hornets are saving tons of money. Losing Butler I take Batum.



20 Jul 2018 05:14:38
Lakers plan.

James helps develop young guys

Trade pick and Deng on draft night for trade exception. Announce all free agents sign Leonard and best big man they can.
Big man they sign.
With kuzma and Hart getting decent minutes


1.) 20 Jul 2018 06:17:58
Would probably need to add a future 2nd in as well to that 1st rd pick in order to dump Deng.
Other than that, I love your idea.
Sign Kawhi to max
Sign Marc Gasol for about 2yr 30m
Then re sign Rondo and McGee to minimum
Re sign Lance to room exception

Lonzo, Rondo
Kawhi, Hart
Ingram, Stephenson
LeBron, Kuzma
Gasol, McGee.




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06 Aug 2018 17:21:58
I saw Deng play dude can ball out still and played great defense. Plus team Africa leader, he not negative value just no value because no one seen him play last year


1.) 06 Aug 2018 18:18:21
He's still overpaid by triple and has two years left on his deal. He definitely has negative value.

2.) 06 Aug 2018 19:22:58
He gets paid half of his Max if you can play solid defense and average 14 points that's worth 18 mil. Plus he got veteran leadership. I want to see him play before I under value him. What I saw him play with team Africa was shocking.

3.) 06 Aug 2018 19:40:06
Mrs. Deng is that you?

4.) 06 Aug 2018 21:09:16
Don't think you saw the africa game and they lost. So Deng did great against the better team is y it's so shocking.

5.) 06 Aug 2018 22:37:12
You were watching a scrimmage that nobody playing cared about. The guy has been consistently worse each year for the past 4 or 5 years. He’s not going to give you 15 points and good defensive in NBA games. The Lakers started the year last year trying to win games and he didn’t touch the floor. The year before that he was terrible. He’s a minimum player at best and he’s currently making 18 million with 2 years left. That is one of the worst contracts in the league.

6.) 06 Aug 2018 23:13:20
One exhibition game isn't skyrocketing his value. He can't average 14 ppg anymore, no way. And his defense is above average, he's not a lock down guy any more.

7.) 07 Aug 2018 15:34:08
He scored 14 pts, against a team which the best player was gallinari. Seriously, you are such a dillusional lakers fan. Deng has insanely negative value.

Lets talk facts about playing in real games, not a scrimmage against mostly midlevel players.

hes turning 34, going on his 15th season.

He played only 1 game last year, for one of the worst teams in the league.

The year before, which he played 56 games, he averaged 7pts, 5rb, playing over 26 minutes a game, shooting 38% from the field. He is at best, and end of the bench rotation player. Likely a 3rd string player. To try and profess him as a quality player, worth half a max contract, because he had an ok 20 minutes in a single scrimmage against mostly decent players is hysterical. Just stop.

8.) 07 Aug 2018 18:35:03
Dengs agent is my MVP man that guy could sell snow to Eskimos.

9.) 07 Aug 2018 18:49:34
For someone really wanting to play I don't think he be the last bench player or what's the point in wanting to play.

10.) 07 Aug 2018 19:48:20
I really want to play. Should I start?



05 Aug 2018 18:44:09
To a rebuilding team Deng is pretty valuable and really usable.

First a team taking Deng from the Lakers get a first round pick and maybe a second. Then after season Deng will be an expiring contract. So since the team is rebuilding they can trade Deng expiring contract and take on salary for another pick. Like the Cavs, atl, Orlando, or even the Suns


1.) 07 Aug 2018 15:37:30
Best part of this foolish post is, he has value, because after a year hell only have a year. Great thinking.

2.) 07 Aug 2018 18:53:49
So by trade deadline when most that 18 is Eaten up or by draft night when just 18 left, when the value really starts.

3.) 07 Aug 2018 19:49:51
I don't think you understand basketball at all. First, you are trying to prove he has value because he scored 14 pts in a mediocre scrimmage. Now you are claiming he has value because what, he's an expiring contract in a year. You really make no sense.

4.) 08 Aug 2018 04:36:21
You must can't read I never said he had value. I said he had no value because no one seen him play. I said I think he can play with what I saw. yeah by the deadline his contract can be valuable to a team. Different in saying his play has value.

5.) 08 Aug 2018 15:29:01
You talked about not wanting to undervalue him. You need to watch him play.

Remember, you want to ignore the 14 years of professional basketball experience, including the most recent 2 years in which one he played none and the second he was horrendous. But you saw a scrimmage against a mediocre team, and now you think the jury is out on whether a player who performed HORRIBLY earning a half max salary is of neutral value instead of negative value?

Ill go with the 880 real games in which he played against quality teams and you were able to analyze the arc of success and eventual decline as opposed to basing my judgment on 20 minutes of a mediocre scrimmage for team africa.


6.) 08 Aug 2018 23:15:15
You the type who get tricked by tricked questions because you don't read. The biggest word in the sentence is if. I said if he can play great defense and average 14 points even 12 points he be worth his contract. But no one saw him play. I assume that he can play and by what I saw, if he want to play he can play so why embarrass yourself if you really can't cause no matter what he getting 36 million over next two years. I never said he going to average 14 points and have fair value. I said if he can. That be fair But the Lakers drafted Ingram and developed him and randle benched Deng. I believe he got hurt first year with Lakers.



28 Jul 2018 17:20:26
My top 5 of all time. If LeBron keeps it up even without more rings he better then Jordan.

How about this.. in four years Cleveland wins the lottery and draft lbjj and LBJ plays his final year as his son team mate in Cleveland.


1.) 28 Jul 2018 22:14:42
No bigs?

2.) 29 Jul 2018 04:17:37
To me there a little overrated. Like Russell, wilt, Kareem, shaq, and dream really had no competition they were bully's. See how easy Shaq got his rings. Wilt was only athletic big, Kareem no one tall enough to guard him. My top five dominated bigger players and made there own advantage. Just my opinion.

3.) 29 Jul 2018 05:44:42
Funny players now are smashing records we should appreciate the Curry’s, Westbrook’s, Durants, hardens, and LBJ ‘s they are already writing history before our eyes.

4.) 29 Jul 2018 10:35:26
My Greatest five is

C: Shaq
PF: Abdur Jabbar
SF:L Bird
SG: M Jordan
PG: Magic

My best five is

C: Olajuwon
PF:T Duncan
SG:M Jordan
PG: J Stocton.



26 Jul 2018 14:01:50
I repeat Lakers will not include Ball just to dump Deng or include Hart Ingram or kuzma. By next draft it should just take Lakers first and maybe a second too. Unless a team gives up expiring contract for Deng and a first and second by the deadline


1.) 26 Jul 2018 16:58:54
If he or his dad pose to many problems, I think they’ll shop him along side Deng. They may hope for a little more than a salary dump, but I don’t think it’s coincidence that they went out and got Rondo, who really doesn’t give you much that Ball can’t do.

2.) 26 Jul 2018 17:12:33
I think if healthy he would already be gone.

3.) 26 Jul 2018 18:01:11
Rondo is a much better player than Lonzo. At training camp when the Lakers see all of them in action then you'll see who they favor by preseason. I'd keep ball. Hard to find a young PG with upside.

4.) 26 Jul 2018 20:18:42
Lakers would trade ball or Hart, to get off dengs contract in a heart beat with the expiring contracts next year lakers could sign 2 stars instead of one.

5.) 26 Jul 2018 21:45:11
I'd change that a bit Rad. I think the Lakers wouldn't hesitate to move Ball or Hart -if it meant that they get a star-. I don't think they'd move either of them to move Deng right now with no immediate need to do so. But if Leonard and Thompson wanted to sign, but Deng's deal was a roadblock, they wouldn't hesitate to move Ball to be rid of Deng.

6.) 27 Jul 2018 01:00:51
What I'm saying is by next draft they can move Deng expiring 18 mil with there 2019 first not ball Ingram Hart or kuzma. No need to dump Deng nw cause you can't sign anyone now.

7.) 27 Jul 2018 01:43:11
That’s what I am saying B mill trading ball or Hart to get rid of dengs contract . shiller41 was right ball hadn’t released that story about his knee problem he would have been traded.



25 Jul 2018 17:14:15
I think hood can be a all star next year if Cavs give him a chance


1.) 25 Jul 2018 18:47:26
Eh, Hood is like many other guys before him (Moe Harkless is another) . Tons of potential, but I doubt Hood is ever more than a nice role player.

2.) 25 Jul 2018 20:18:29
He can score, but he doesn’t really do much else for you.

3.) 26 Jul 2018 19:32:21
I agree Hood can be very good! IF he can actually stay healthy for an entire season.

4.) 26 Jul 2018 21:10:38
R Hood if he makes a all star team then give him the most improved player award as well from a limited bench player to all star your dreaming.




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15 Aug 2018 22:11:15
I agree 16.

My trade take place next year when Deng and Davis will be expiring. I said ball and Ingram plus three 1st. Like I said that's more then what bulls got for Butler, wolves for love, thunder for harden spurs for Leonard, clippers for Paul and Griffin and magic for Howard plus pelicans for Paul.




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15 Aug 2018 15:59:10
So unbelievable.




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15 Aug 2018 08:26:39
This good unless the Knicks give up there pick and Noah would to this because Knicks pick will be top 8.




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14 Aug 2018 05:14:12
Wiggins not overpaid. He like love need ball more to be affectivee.




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14 Aug 2018 01:53:54
There still first picks and can be traded with there own pick to move up in draft. Next year Deng will have one year left so he can be waived so don't see no harm especially when you getting two top picks in Ingram and ball plus 3 first.





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