NBA Trade Rumors Member Posts


II's Profile

Current Avatar:
No Avatar image uploaded

No Profile Picture uploaded


Where from:

Favourite player:

Best team moment:



II's Posts and Other Poster's Replies To II's Posts



To II's last 5 rumours posts


To II's last 5 talk posts


To II's last 5 rumour replies


To II's last 5 talk replies


II's rumours posts with other poster's replies to II's rumours posts


08 Sep 2018 02:57:17
Serg, og, and green for Dieng and Butler




05 Sep 2018 21:31:53
Suns get George hill

Cavs get Turner

Portland get Chandler


1.) 05 Sep 2018 23:10:05
Seems like Cleveland would prefer Chandler's contract over Turner.

I think it makes Portland worse, but they take it in a heartbeat to be away from a bad contract a year earlier.

Make a lot of sense for Phoenix. Get a stopgap PG and make room for their current bigs.

2.) 06 Sep 2018 01:10:33
Why would the Cavs take on Turner’s contract for free?

3.) 06 Sep 2018 02:06:16
Cavs hard no.

4.) 06 Sep 2018 03:49:15
Same reason they over paid to keep love instead of trading him because no one else good as Turner would sign with the Cavs right about now and they have no user for hill. Playin in East it will be easier for Turner. But II Portland owes a first unprotected there going to be tenth seed or higher anyway so protection don't matter not sure when there next pick is open.

5.) 06 Sep 2018 04:37:38
9955, if the Cavs are willing to grossly overpay a guy like Turner, they could pull those kind of free agents. Anyone could. He’s not even a starting caliber player and he’s making 18 Million.

6.) 06 Sep 2018 06:31:04
The Cavs have no cap to sign anyone better then Turner. They need all the talent they can gett got Portland just getting out of tax.

7.) 06 Sep 2018 12:18:36
Uh, they could re-sign Hood, who while he doesn’t play a similar game to Turner would be as much or more valuable if he plays like he did in Utah.

I like Turner, but I am having a hard time understanding why you think the Cavs need to overpay to get him when i’m not sure he’s better than Hill, who also has the added bonus of being on an expiring deal.

8.) 06 Sep 2018 17:32:16
Suns are reported as uninterested in Hill is what I read today.

9.) 06 Sep 2018 17:45:33
Yeah your right Cavs get a pick from Portland.



31 Aug 2018 23:33:48
Suns get Clarkson and korver they trade Chandler expiring for an extra year of Clarkson and korver.

Cavs get Deng and Lakers 2019 and 2021 unprotected. Cavs have no need for Clarkson and korver so instead paying them for two years they pay deng. They gain 2 picks and veteran leadership, Deng can play but not too his contract. He just got into with management and they benched him not cause he can't play he wants to. So they get two picks between 18 -22.

Lakers get Chandler. They get CAp with the risk losing there picks so they can't really make trades unless give up youth. So there next move has to be there best move




31 Aug 2018 21:41:00
Suns get Clarkson and korver they trade Chandler expiring for an extra year of Clarkson and korver.

Cavs get Deng and Lakers 2019 and 2021 unprotected. Cavs have no need for Clarkson and korver so instead paying them for two years they pay deng. They gain 2 picks and veteran leadership, Deng can play but not too his contract. He just got into with management and they benched him not cause he can't play he wants to. So they get two picks between 18 -22.

Lakers get Chandler. They get CAp with the risk losing there picks so they can't really make trades unless give up youth.




19 Aug 2018 03:41:20
Trade Deng and first and second 2019 plus wagner for Lin then buy him out. Hawks pay Deng for 19_20 season but gain a pick and potential in wagner. Lakers clear Deng and can sign a Max contract and another player to a good amount to join james and his gang.





II's talk posts with other poster's replies to II's talk posts


21 Sep 2018 11:12:47
Can't wait to see ball new shooting form and how beautiful it looks and improved like magic says. Well he did shoot 41 from the 3 in college


1.) 21 Sep 2018 14:32:07
Yeah. Magic is clearly never a self promoter. I’m sure that’s an unbiased opinion that his first major draft pick isn’t a bust.

2.) 21 Sep 2018 15:27:45
Ball isn't a bust, he played very good for a rookie. Way better than nkilitina and no one is talking bust about him yet. When people do, nkilitina's age gets brought up and that he's only 20. Isn't that true for ball as well and he had the more productive rookie season?

3.) 21 Sep 2018 16:02:53
Agree ball is far from a bust. He hadd a solid year and played defense.

4.) 21 Sep 2018 16:14:21
That’s he difference between the second and 9 pick. Besides, frank was good at d. That’s what he was expected. No one is talking about him because he was the 9th pick. That’s historically a crap shoot.

Ball was historically one of the worst shooters. Shooting under 50% from the free throw line indicates serious issues with shooting. Now you are taking the ball out of his hands. Aka he will be a major offensive liability. His defense was statistically average at best. Taking him over Tatum? Smart. That’s the problem. Ball will be compared to what most considered to be a better prospect. Ergo thus far he’s a bust.

5.) 21 Sep 2018 16:16:32
I also don’t understand that statement. Ball isn’t a bust unless you agree that the person taken 7 picks is as well? I’m not a fan of frank. Think he was overrated and still is. And I think the same for ball. They both could be busts and I feel they will be. It’s jut far different when the 9th is a bust versus the second.

I just think it’s funny. Literally one of the worst shooters ever with a broken shot. And after a few months magic says his shot is beautiful and fans are gullible enough to believe him?

6.) 21 Sep 2018 17:00:23
Simmons and ball are both terrible shooters but they pass and handle the ball well. The knicks were playing ntilikina at SG? A bad shooter moved to SG? Drafted as a PG yet no confidence in his handles mid way through the season? Neither of these guys are done with the nba just yet but Lonzo ball isn't a bad player. That's just ridiculous.

7.) 21 Sep 2018 17:15:56
How is ten seven and seven a bust as a rookie who was in gym all summer improving and adjusting to the NBA. Second team all rookie and missed what 30 games. Ball being a bust is your opinion. i want to see his second year before I say busyt or just wasnt worth second pick.

8.) 21 Sep 2018 17:55:10
Ball clearly isn't a bust, he just doesn't have an incredibly high ceiling to most people. He'll be a nice role player.

9.) 21 Sep 2018 17:58:01
Again. He had those stats on one of the worst teams in the league.

He will have less assists over he won’t be the primary ball handler. And he again was historically bad shooter.

I don’t understand how the argument is that frank isn’t good. I agree. They both were bad compared to expectations.

Balls shooting was what, 36/ 30/ 41. That’s horrific. He was the second pick. That’s just dreadful. Perhaps not a bust, but definitely very scary when a player is THAT bad of a shooter. The free throws was the scariest part.

10.) 21 Sep 2018 18:47:34
I brought up ntilikina because he is a PG and he was drafted in the lottery of 2017. It's not a ntilikina slam, its a Lonzo ball isn't a bust defense. If ntilikina has support in the league then ball rightfully deserves some as well.

11.) 21 Sep 2018 20:46:44
Btec both were wasted lottery picks.

12.) 21 Sep 2018 21:34:18
The success of the guys taken directly after them factors in the disappointment too right? LA should have Tatum. That should bum Laker fans out. Tatum, Ball, and Fultz will always be linked. At this point, it looks like Phili and LA will regret that order for a decade.

Also, if I'm picking top 3 or 4, I'm expecting an all star caliber player. At 6-10, not as much. I'm hoping for an above average starter.

13.) 21 Sep 2018 22:48:28
No draft pick is a guarantee. You can't say 1-6 are eventually all star caliber players because people choose wrong. The draft is a gamble in every way. (Fultz) It seems good now because there are sons of fathers who played nba basketball pumping into the league at a high rate right now. It will slow down, and draft picks will be traded like underwear again in the nba. Foreign nba players kids will be another big tide change in the NBA in about 5-10 years.

14.) 21 Sep 2018 22:50:08
ll let him hate more. It’s his opinion. So what if Lonzo is a bust or not. For us Lakers fan, we are hoping that he’ll improve. Only one year in the league and there’s a lot of chance left. We’ll see.

15.) 22 Sep 2018 01:52:56
Let James do his work with bal and rondo.

16.) 22 Sep 2018 02:00:16
Nothing wrong with hoping. But to go, wow magic said his shot is beautiful now. He’s going to be great.

That’s just nonsense. All of what bmiller said is true. Top 5 or so are supposed to be franchise changers. Top 3. Have to be. That’s why management gets fired. Ball is clearly way behind Tatum. Thus when compared with him, Ball is a bust. That’s all.

Besides. Frank is a waste. Knicks should have had balls and taken Donovan like the rumors said.

17.) 22 Sep 2018 05:04:34
You blow simple things out of proportion. Like I said I wanted to see what magic was taking about you respond like I said I guarantee ball shot will improve and he be a complete difference maker like magic said. Ball was a fourth option on a borderline play off team. With James there now top 4 team.

The Lakers are built on play makers and defenders. They going to ware you down and let James close the games. If ball and rondo can average 12 to 15 points, Hart average ten, beasly 7 to 9 Stevenson 6 to 8. kuzma 16 and Ingram 19 to 21 plus kcp 12to 14 and McGee 4 plus James 27 plus, there going to be great. its going to come down to defending the shooters on golden state and Houston for the Lakers. And James actually taking the last shot himself.

18.) 22 Sep 2018 17:51:43
Nope. I read what you wrote. Which was Can't wait to see ball new shooting form and how beautiful it looks

That’s foolish

Also. To give you an idea of how foolish you are. If they average that. The lakers average about 150 a game. Go on.

19.) 22 Sep 2018 21:59:39
After looks I said like magic said. never agreed just said I wanted to see.

20.) 23 Sep 2018 01:38:50
And I wrote that you think the lakers will average like 150 points a game and broke it all down. Care to explain that?

21.) 23 Sep 2018 22:13:47
I used in between and got 125. The players average don't match the teams ppg.

22.) 24 Sep 2018 01:21:54
Actually, if you use the bottom numbers you get 125. Which means worst case you are predicting a top 3 offensive team in league history. no ones scored near that amount in about 37 years.

Great thinking as always.

23.) 24 Sep 2018 03:33:49
Actually it's 115. Sorry for my 2sense. U Guys are hilarious.

24.) 24 Sep 2018 11:13:58
Right but you can add each players ppg stats and it not the same as the teams average points per game. Like last year Andre Ingram averaged like 12 points a game but barely played. So adding up the player averaged does not equal the teams PPG average. Your ridiculous dude.

Lakers offense was number 11 with james they should be like top 5. I say 111 per game this year.

25.) 24 Sep 2018 15:39:39
Ball - 12
Rond0 - 12
Hart - 10
Beasly - 7
Stevenson - 6
Kuzma -16
Ingram - 19
KCP - 12
McGee - 4
Lebron - 27

That equals 125. I think you didn't include Hart because he wrote out ten, instead of putting 10.

The point is, this is just a homer post. This is the same as OKC fans who were like, oh, we are getting melo. Now add melo, PG13 and Westbrook, and now we have like 75pts per game. It doesn't work that way. You have Lebron averaging among the most in his career, Rondo averaging the best in years, Kuzma, Ingram, Ball, Hart, all scoring more. There still is one ball. stop being a homer. This is foolish.

26.) 24 Sep 2018 18:20:34
First all I had ball and Hart averaging just two more points because I think from there rookie to sophomore year they can improve a little.

I got kuzma at the same because he not going to get as many touches but he should improve so stayed same.

Ingram going to improve a little so his shooting and scoring go up.

Kcp actually about the same.

This team looks like Miami heat averages but James there best player other then dragic.

You can add all teams player point averages and it will be way more then the teams average pointsper game.



20 Sep 2018 09:43:29
If Butler gets traded to his preferred destinations will the Celtics trade Irving fearing he will join Butler in free agency.


1.) 20 Sep 2018 13:14:19
The celtics are the second deepest team in the league, maybe the first. Take Irving away and they aren't considered a serious east contender. Easy no. There is little evidence to support Irving would bail on the celtics for the clippers, Lakers, or knicks. It would be dumb if Ainge wants to have a shot at or win a title this season.

2.) 20 Sep 2018 16:08:26
I've said it before, but I really think Boston would be making a huge mistake by trading Irving or Rozier.

If they trade Irving, they're committing to Rozier as their starter moving forward. Being in a contract year, that has the makings for a guy that has a huge year, gets paid huge, then has major regressions.

If they trade Rozier, they have no backup plan if Irving bails. They would have to find a new PG (likely trading Brown to get a decent one) or start Smart. Neither is a good option.

3.) 20 Sep 2018 16:47:21
The good, Clippers are in a great position to land 2 big names after this season.

The bad, still not going to get to the finals.

4.) 20 Sep 2018 18:22:32
Now that Butler wants to go to the Clippers it makes more sense that Kawhi would team up with him rather than Irving, which would more than likely keep Kyrie in Boston. (this is if you believe the BS that the media throws on the walls)

5.) 21 Sep 2018 03:08:28
I think Leonard would be better with lbj than butler. I'm not a laker homer either. Butler and Leonard would take away from each other offensively. Defensively they are a top 10 team just with Leonard and butler and any old scrubs to fill the other positions.



16 Sep 2018 00:20:33
if boston want ad now they have to give up Tatum and brown plus baynes and pick for Davis. If not Lakers give up Hart ball wagner and Ingram plus 3 picks. Don't think Philly tops that from Lakers then they wouldn't be better then boston unless they add in free agency. So that's y Philly really not in picture for Davis. They need to add talent in free agency not through trade. Philly don't a Irving or king James to compliment Davis. James and Davis with cap y wouldn't Leonard Butler or Klay join plus get Max money and be favorites.


1.) 16 Sep 2018 02:43:03
No clue what you are saying here. But if you are trying to say a front court of Simmons Davis and Embiid doesn’t sound flat out insane. well, next you’ll try and say josh hart is a future Kobe Bryant who only played 2 games because the lakers were holding them back.

Oh wait. You did say that.

2.) 16 Sep 2018 05:41:51
It doesn't sound insane cause Simmons not that good, maybe four years from now. James Davis and durant sounds in sane.

I'm saying Lakers is best opportunity then Philly and boston. Because boston wouldn't give up tatum and brown. And Lakers will give up all youth which pelicans need.

3.) 16 Sep 2018 06:20:10
Why even argue with him anymore? He’s top 3 most homer person on this site. His comments are absurd, his logic is nonexistent, and his value of laker players is beyond comprehension.

4.) 16 Sep 2018 14:18:50
The Lakers package is crap compared the Celtics.

5.) 16 Sep 2018 14:56:26
Because it’s funny.

I mean this guy just said Simmons isn’t that good. And hart is a top 5 future sg who could turn into kobe Bryant. I mean this is amazing. By the ways. Lakers have very few desireable pieces. Reason being when you compare their youth with the sixers and Celtics. Boston and philly were top teams in the league when led by youth. Lakers were one of the worst. Me thinks that means lakers youth ain’t good.

6.) 16 Sep 2018 15:26:18
With out reddick Philly wouldn't be as good. I watch all games reddick big piece to there offense. In the West philly wouldn't make it to play offs. There good because there in weak East. How is Simmons that good what does he do. Maybe in Four years he will be awesomee. Lillard Westbrook curry Irving and Paul plus others over shadows Simmons but in the future he can be top 5 PG like ball can bee. if I think that Hart is a top 5 he still in rookie contract there nothing wrong with that. That's not delusional cause he can score and just going in his second year.
Things I say is absorb but it's the same thing that a lot of sport analyst think too. I understand you don't like the Lakers but what's so absorb. I think you just a laker hater. Like everyone said James wouldn't join I said he will and he did on his own. You know why he joined because the Lakers are position to be great. Philly so good why didn't James join but took the worst team in the Lakers when he chasing rings. Because lakers have the better pieces to trade and to be great. That's logic not being absorb. embiid get hurt Philly done that's logic and that would scare a player away just the thought embiid getting hurt.

7.) 16 Sep 2018 16:29:31
A. Everyone was saying he’d join the lakers.
B. Simmons is a beast rebounder, can drive, and is a mismatch like few have been.
C. I live in philly. I assure you I watch more. Especially seeing as you say that they are only good because of reddick.
D. They only make playoffs because of east? You know they were better than the Cavs. Which was a better team than this years lakers. Guess the lakers miss the playoffs?
E. Hart can score. 7 pts a game. And he is old. Thus. He isn’t good.

Do you watch basketball? Didn’t you say hart only played 2 games and is Kobe potential? Hysterical.

8.) 16 Sep 2018 20:47:58
A. Not everyone thought James was going to Lakers. Phil and staying homee was also on peoples minds.

B. Ball was a great rebounder for a guard who is actually a guard. Ball can drive and has great pass ability which will improve if playing with james. Solid defense.

C. I watched all Philly games I like Simmons but he just not good as people think because there so many better point guards but years from now he will be in the top and better then ball but ball not far behind. I now that and so does James it's why he joined unless he joined too trade ball. I said philly wouldn't be as good without reddic so I don't know what you read or how you comprehend but it clearly states what I just said not there only good cause reddick. Who is a veteran on a youthful lead team so it's not that youthful lead but a youthful team.

D. They got smashed by boston in the West they wouldn't make it plan and simple. They would been 9 th seed. Trade philly for Lakers and philly 9th seed.

E. I said he can be the next Kobe. Who is Kobe a player who had no hype or did anything his rookie year but look what turned out to be. I don't think Hart will be the next Kobe exactly but he can be great like Kobe no hype just come out and ball. Like ball is y James joined bbecause Hart can be great.

9.) 17 Sep 2018 15:47:02
you said everyone was saying james wouldn't join the lakers. MANY had him joining, the betting odds had them as a favorite. So trying to tout your inside knowledge off something everyone was already talking about is a mistake.

Ball can't drive. He shot under 50% at the rim! 3 foot to 10 foot he shot in the 20s and for the season he shot 36 percent. That is historically one of the worst scorers ever. Ignore the basic stats which all favor simoons, ignore the PER which has ball as average at 12 and Simmons elite at 20. Heres a simple stat to show you how bad of a shooter/ scorer/ driver lonzo is. he got to the line like 1.5 times a game. HE SHOT 45% FROM THE LINE! I mean, lord, that's HORRIBLE. There is no argument, Ball was a complete bust this past year. Could he turn into decent, perhaps. But very unlikely, especially with lebron james as the primary ball ahndler. Ball has no ability to score, NONE.

You want to know why you are so absurd? So you think the sixers, if they were in the west they would be 9th? Interesting, seeing as the sixers played 30 games last year against the western conference. their record. 18-12. They would actually be 3rd. i'd love to hear how that isn't an accurate number. Please, inform us on how their actual record which was almost half the season against the west, isn't accurate, and in fact you think by them not having to travel cross country would actually result in them dropping from 3rd to 9th.

James joined the lakers because of the magic, he wants to be in LA, and his family wanted to go there. He didn't join them because he was going wow, ball is amazing and Hart is probably the best thing ever.

Serious note. after all your nonsense, i'm still curious. you said Hart only played 2 games, but it turned out to be over 60. Did you only watch 2 games? i'm guessing so if you think he could be the next kobe.

10.) 18 Sep 2018 00:28:19
Not everyone like you said, said James will go to the Lakers. There were spurs philly and Cavs with close odds getting him. Despite what you say. Still rnked 54 that will rise in. Next five years so that's all star potential. I highly doubt philly would be third seed in West. I think they would be 9th. If Lakers only had cap to sign James wit no Young talent just overpaid players with 3 years left on contract James would never joined so it really came down to the Lakers having cap nd young players plus saved cap for next year max player for james to have someone to run with because he could choose the clippers to if it was all about family. I said two games cause he didn't he do nothing when he was on the court.

11.) 18 Sep 2018 13:23:54
I know I should have sympathy, but this is too funny.

You wrote, and I quote "Like everyone said James wouldn't join I said he will and he did on his own"

Now you say, well, perhaps that wasnt accurate. Perhaps many were saying it, whoops.

What are you talking about ranked 54? ESPN listed him as 62, SI almost had him out of top 100. Also, that has nothing to do with his performance thus far. Ergo, likely a bust.

Here is where I find you funniest. That is their record against the west. Its not a guess, or estimation. They played 30 games against the West last year. They won 60%. That equates to 3rd. I legit have no idea how you are able to look at 1+2 and go, its your opinion its 3.i think its 9.

12.) 18 Sep 2018 13:25:41
Wait wait wait. that last line I missed. You are talking about Hart being the next Kobe. You claim he never got a chance to play. He played over 60 games at about 25 minutes a game. Then you say that's 2 games because he did nothing? Next kobe or nothing. he had the opportunity. like you said. did nothing.

13.) 18 Sep 2018 23:00:34
Kobe did nothing his first off bench he formed in second year. Like look at greek freak first yes to second year numbers. Your right bal is 62 and Ingram is 54. Still he 62 and that will. Better. Still they would. Those 18 and lost the rest. I guarantee they wouldd been 9th. Noway they better then the 8 west playoff teams. If philly would been 3 in West they should been one in East. Wolves were 8 and there better then sixers.

14.) 18 Sep 2018 23:10:41
There were a lot of people on here saying James wouldn't join or Paul George. Soon George resigned people on here really said james wouldn't join then they leaned on Philly with the better young players.

15.) 19 Sep 2018 01:46:11
He actually was ranked 72 by the east.

Seriously what are you talking about? It’s a fact their record was 18-12 against the West. It’s a fact that would be 3rd. Why do you keep saying you guarantee simple facts aren’t true with no basis.

You said everyone said he wasn’t going. Story flopped. Again. Just stop. You are literally saying facts aren’t true and keep flipping on your posts.

16.) 20 Sep 2018 08:42:15
Meaning the people who didn't think james wouldn't join and that's a lot on here. So you understand everyone who thought James wouldn't join the Lakers I thought he wil. Philly Spurs staying and Miami plus warriors was on too. Just because you go 18-12 don't mean they will continue that. They could win those 18 games and lose the other 34 gameses if in West or just lost enough to be 9th. There no real facts about that situation just opinions. I'm being honest about my opinion with no facts involved. Like your better assumptions but no true facts.

17.) 21 Sep 2018 16:21:45
A. you said everyone doubted he’d go to la but you. Now you admit that was clearly wrong. End of story.

B. it’s a hard fact the sixers has a 60% win percentage against the West. It’s a hard fact that would be 3rd. You want to speculate that they would lose the next 30 games, ok then. But that’s baseless. You are attempting to deny hard facts because it seems like you don’t understand the definition of a fact versus an opinion. Their record against the West. Fact. Your brief they would lose the next 30. Opinion. Ergo facts say they would have been 3rd. Your baseless opinion says 9th.

Get it?



14 Sep 2018 11:16:12
Future top 5 shooting guard.



1.) 14 Sep 2018 16:59:33
I don't believe booker will be at that level because his game is entirely 1 dimensional. Unless he drastically improves on making surrounding players better, and also learns defense, I just don't see him making another step forward.

The Hart placement is clearly a homer pick. Come on, guy is 23 (comparable to a 1 and done with what, 4 years experience) and produced average role player numbers.

If Hart is a top 20 sg in the future, Ill be shocked.

2.) 14 Sep 2018 18:29:37
Clearly, mitchell is number one potential wise. Mccollum and beal are you enough to be there. Oladipo too.

3.) 14 Sep 2018 18:31:12
Hart was never giving a chance to play as a rookie. Just my opinion. So make your 5 top future SG on rookie contracts or under 25.

4.) 14 Sep 2018 23:47:31
Never given a chance? He played like 25 minutes a game. What’s he need, lead the league in minutes?

5.) 15 Sep 2018 00:59:41
Hart played for a terrible team and didn’t earn minutes. Saw a ranking that put him as the #58 SG in the NBA. He could become an all NBA player. So could Swanigan or Leaf. Aaron Gordon or Jabari Parker could win an MVP.

That said, you don’t value those guys at those levels, you value them at realistic expectations.

6.) 15 Sep 2018 09:54:41
Hart played two games.

7.) 15 Sep 2018 14:26:23
What? He played 63 and started like 25 of them.

Seriously, what are you talking about?



13 Sep 2018 02:11:04
Which trade better Ingram and ball plus Stevenson plus two first for Butler . Or should they trade wagner ball Ingram Hart and Stevenson plus 3 unprotected first for Davis.


Trade teague And get best pick maybe to Suns.

Trade holiday and get something good plus a pick. To start Hart.

I take the Davis trade and go after Butler in free agency with 30 mil in cap space or Leonard


1.) 13 Sep 2018 14:17:25
So basicallly both teams give up their best asset and essentially turn into last years lakers. which were awful. On top of that they get picks from a team which has Lebron potentially Davis and Butler. So they have little value.

No chance on both.

2.) 13 Sep 2018 16:59:46
The Davis trade is just not happening. You have to have a top tier potential asset to get him. LA doesn't have one. It's a bunch of middling prospects and 3 really late firsts.

The Butler trade I could see happening. I actually think LA gives up a bit too much there.

3.) 13 Sep 2018 19:54:23
Ball and Ingram are top tier future all Stars. In 5 years ball will be top 5 PG and Ingram will be top 5 sf. Hart can be the next Kobe for all we know. Point is you get 7 prospects two already shown they can play in the NBA and been effective. It's on your team developing them like Butler and Green got developed right. Only Boston can have better package who would be willing to trade for him. With Davis changing agents it's going to get crazy soon with boston and LA.

4.) 13 Sep 2018 20:40:19
Ball and Ingram aren't future all stars (if they were, you wouldn't want to trade them) .

Ball's ceiling feels like Rondo. Maybe 13 points, 9 assists, 7 boards type of averages. He'll be somewhere between 10-20 in terms of best PGs in the NBA. Also, his family drags his value like a boat anchor.

Ingram -could- make a Butler/ George type jump. But most likely his future is Tobias Harris/ Wilson Chandler/ Rudy Gay/ Chandler Parsons. Solid starter, but nothing more.

And don't compare Hart to Kobe. By the time Kobe was Hart's current age he had been a 4 time all star and averaged 29 ppg in a season. Hart is a nice late first player. But it would be absolutely shocking if he even turned into an above average starter.

And those 3 picks are going to be 25-30. Not high value picks.

Plenty of teams have more valuable assets than that. Phoenix (Ayton, Jackson, Warren, Bridges) . Phili (Covington, Fultz, Saric) .

It's on the team to develop players, but also to evaluate what is coming in. What LA is sending isn't nearly the value you wish it was.

5.) 13 Sep 2018 22:53:41
The reason there trading future stars is because they have king and are ready to win now. I don't think Davis will like Philly. They wouldn't be better then boston so he will leave. s uns really leavee. With James he stay because they will most likely add in free agency. Boston with Irvingg and heyward and horford would beat golden state, la or Houston. Only realistic choices is Lakers or boston for Davi s coming down to who pelicans covets more like ball and Ingram and Hart. Or brown and whoever else plus those picks.

Ingram ball and Hart to me is better then saric fultz and Covington.

I didn't compare him to Kobe but anything possible. Like dipo and like curry just transforming so quick.

6.) 14 Sep 2018 15:08:31
Anything isn't possible.

Ball is a terrible defender, a terrible shooter. no chance he is a top 5 pg. He has such a limited game. It is exactly like rondo, minus rondo was able to play defense.

Brandon Ingram also hasn't shown much to be considered a likely all star and top 5 sf. that's just unrealistic.

Josh hart is 23. He essentially is what you expect him to be. A role player, nothing more. To say he could have a revolution and turn into Kobe because "anything is possible", then sure. Mo Wagner could be the next Olajuwon.

You have to trade actual assets to gain assets.

Ingram vs Saric. for the sake of argument, call it a wash, even though Saric has already produced more.

Ball v Fultz. Ball is simply a passer, nothing else. Fultz legit has potential to be great. Fultz takes it.

Hart v Covington. i'm assuming you are joking. Hart is a role player, Covington is a legit 3 and D who is an all defensive player.

Not even close, the sixers package blows the lakers package away.

7.) 14 Sep 2018 19:50:36
Rubio was a terrible shooter and improved enormously is the effort you put in your game to improve like James improved on 3 point shooting and think next year will be even better.

8.) 14 Sep 2018 23:49:42
Difference is ball has a totally broken shot. Besides. Rubio isn’t even top 10. What’s your point?

9.) 15 Sep 2018 01:01:44
And Rubio isn’t an all NBA player. He’s a fringe starter. That’s most likely Ball’s future. And that’s the value I’d put on him.

No one was giving up a superstar with Rubio as the cornerstone of the trade. Same with Ball.

10.) 15 Sep 2018 16:21:33
I could see Ball being an allstar at some point. I don’t think it’s impossible, but it’s more likely that he’s never more than a middle of the road starter. Notdrainer, i’m Not sure where you’re getting that he’s a terrible defender. He’s solid on that end and can pass. A little more athletic Rubio with a little less court vision.

I think Ingram will end up being atleast an above average starter. He’s already solid and he has a high ceiling. He could become a perennial allstar.

Like mentioned, Hart looks like a solid role player and it’s unlikely he’ll end up being that for the rest of his career.

If the Celtics or Philly want Davis ( they would), the Lakers have no chance.

11.) 15 Sep 2018 23:21:09
16 that's your opinon. i agree thought ball was a great defender as a rookie. If ball don't become good neither will Simmons because he can't shoot either and actually is worse then ball. Ingram averaged 16 being third option sometimes 4th. I think he going to be great in 4 years with the great players now aging. Him and Tatum can be like James and durant in future not as good but just the best two sf in the league. I just want to see Hart giving a real chance like in summer league. I think James joined the Lakers because he got faith in these players. They had a solid season without a real all star to lead them and think James and rondo will do a great job. They all averaged double digit points but Hart who barely took shots but shot 37 from the 3. I think Hart will be like a derorazon type player if giving a chance on another team i'm a couple years. I find it funny that I think Lakers have the second best chance and it's close. Like Paul pierce think Celtics or Lakers. All reports mostly say Lakers though is where ad will end up by next year deadline.

12.) 16 Sep 2018 02:47:22
Ball was a great defender? Clearly false. And equating him to Rubio is a great point. Pads with steal stats. But in depth numbers show he goes for the steal too aggressively and improperly, actually causing a negative effect.

You go for those stats. By the ways. I’m really excited to see how awful he is without the ball in his hand this season. My guess is he becomes almost unplayable.

13.) 16 Sep 2018 05:47:35
Never really compared to Rubio just said Rubio couldn't shoot but now he improved enormously. Just like griffin improving on his free throws and bosh adding a 3 point that to his game. Ball can improve his jumper just like Simmons be can.

14.) 16 Sep 2018 14:23:48
Did you just say Simmons and ball are about the same cause they both can't shoot smh.

15.) 16 Sep 2018 14:59:05
Also. Did you just say Rubio improved enormously? So he improved to 35% on 3 which is still below average?

Great. High hopes for ball to improve to below average. That’s clearly an all star.

16.) 16 Sep 2018 15:46:19
I never compared Rubio to ball. Never said anything about Rubio being an all star. I said Rubio couldn't shoot and he improved like ball can improve. Not comparing there game just saying you can learn to shoot better like Rubio. Never equated ball to Rubio just said ball can learn to shoot like Rubio did. Your understanding with words is delusional like did you go to English and learn comprehension skills. Clearly I said nothing about Rubio and ball game.

17.) 16 Sep 2018 15:49:16
84 when you stop over valueing Middleton expiring contract you can add what you got to say.

18.) 16 Sep 2018 16:33:36
You are very hard to understand with your rambling. However. When you say ball can improve shooting like Rubio, you literally are comparing them.

Also. Rubio improves from terrible to bad. Ball was historically bad at shooting. So perhaps he can improve as well to bad. Not sure how you think that equates to all star and top point guard in the world. Because. It doesn’t.

Curious. You keep commenting on all these posts but ignoring the comment on how you said josh hart only played 2 games and could be the next Kobe. Odd.

19.) 16 Sep 2018 16:45:27
Middleton is better than anyone on the Lakers but lebron.

20.) 17 Sep 2018 01:29:42
He not more valuable then Ingram. That's not comparing anyone is showing that you can improve shooting because a lot of players do.

21.) 17 Sep 2018 15:55:48
If ingram and middleton were both on the exact same contract, everyone would want middleton. Ingram can only hope to become what middleton currently is.

Also, when you go, let's compare the shooting issues of rubio and ball, and how rubio improved so you can hope ball can improve, that is literally a comparison.

By the ways, please show me anyone who has improved from historically AWFUL shooting to even serviceable.

Ball shot 36% from the field, 45% from the line. I don't think you comprehend how awful that is. he will not play in close games because he is so horrible on offense if he doesn't have the ball in his hands to pass.

Also. still avoiding the HART ONLY PLAYED 2 GAMES! THE LAKERS LIMITED HIS KOBE ABILITY! he played over 60 games and averaged about 25 minutes a game. By the time Kobe was Hart's age, Kobe was a 3 time all star and averaging nearly 30pts a game. that's the point.

22.) 17 Sep 2018 22:19:14
He's more valuable than Ingram even on an expiring deal.

23.) 18 Sep 2018 02:33:52
Kobe didn't do four years in college. Rubio was a horrible shooter after years he improved. He went from horrible to top thirty. Just like Griffin was a horrible free throw Shooter but improved overs years. Some players add range so yeah ball can learn to shoot better just like Simmons will. He can go from 36 to 45 over next 4 years. But Middleton not the same contract and way older then Ingram. With no all stars. What did Middleton average being second option compared to Ingram and Ingram being third or fourth. About Hart his play was comparable to two games because his role and number shots he took. This year going to be different for him and summer league showed it. I was being sarcastic about Kobe just saying he can come out know where and Ball out like kobe did but not be as successful but be successful with his role. Ball ranked 54 as a rookie don't care what you say to me that's great and acceptable. What Ingram rank 51 and kuzma in there too but there no value sounds like haters.

24.) 18 Sep 2018 13:35:29
Kobe didn't do college, thus he was able to develop. hart is 23, he has already entered his relative prime. Thus, he isn't really that good.

Rubio was a horrible shooter. and still is. Top 30 in what?

Your examples of improved shooting are flawed. Griffin improved on his free throws because he started shooting a lot more jump shots, which lowered his fg. Ball is horrific at all areas of shooting, so year. good luck there.

Again, Ingram at his best could potentially be what Middleton is currently. i'm not a fan of either team, you clearly are doing the homer comments based off nothing.

Hart played 63 games, almost 25 minutes a game, and 6 shots a game. Seems like a good opportunity. not just two games. That bad performance was against actual players. but you want to ignore it because he played well in summer league against only players that are like 2-3 years younger? mmmmmk

what ranks are you talking about? Heres a ranking based on actual on court performance. PER

Ingram - 184
Kuzma - 171
Ball - 233

Or perhaps estimated wins added?

Ingram - 138
Kuzma - 141
Ball - 213

No joke. Ball had the same estimated wins added as raymond felton.

Oh yeah. legendary rookies and future all stars. Heck, if they can keep on the felton path, potential MVP right there lol.

25.) 18 Sep 2018 23:22:15
Per is like your usage rate not your actual rate. Six shots and averaged 6.8 that's going to improve like look at the Greek freak rookie season 41 percent add 6 points then improved to 49 And 12.7. not saying Hart is going to be the next greak freak just using as example that you can Improve. Playing with james will assure that and ball to well improve with james. Watch and seee real soon.

26.) 19 Sep 2018 01:48:01
Do you really not understand basketball at all. Josh hart is 23. Everyone you reference were teenagers. Josh hart is comparable to their 4th or 5th year based on basketball and physical development.

Just stop.

27.) 19 Sep 2018 12:49:30
FYI. You’re wrong. Per is a players efficiency rating. It adds positives. Deletes negatives. And evaluated on a per minute basis.




II's rumour replies


Click To View This Thread

24 Sep 2018 18:03:36
What if Beverly and Harris leave this not no good Trade. Wolves need rookie contracts or 3 years plus signed players.




Click To View This Thread

22 Sep 2018 21:36:10
I believe that when I see it. For all I know they can trade Wiggins and sign Butler to that money he wants.




Click To View This Thread

22 Sep 2018 21:34:13
Crabbe wouldn't opt out And would be better then anyone else they can sign overpaid or not.




Click To View This Thread

22 Sep 2018 17:56:53
I think Butler traded in December when players can be traded that were signed this year. it's going to be more options for the wolves. I want Butler in the Lakers even if he leaves but I like this trade. Those are two nice players signed to stay years in Miny and gel with towns and Wiggins.




Click To View This Thread

22 Sep 2018 16:45:16
I would take Crabbe over Carroll for the wolves because he signed longer and they need that. Y want Carroll when he can leave just like Butler will leave.





II's talk replies