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21 Jun 2017 07:49:24
Clippers are looking to deal Jordan. Not sure what Clippers are looking for in return (I guess depends on how their offseason goes) but don't see them getting anything too great since most good teams don't have a need for a center, he'll be 29 in a month and he only has 1 year guaranteed left (player option for 18-19 which he'll probably opt out of to get one last big contract) .

Bucks get: Deandre Jordan
Clippers get: #17, Vaughn, Henson, Teletovic

Could swap Henson and Teletovic for Monroe if he opts in. This return would be decent if Clippers were aiming to rebuild.

Celtics get: DeAndre Jordan
Clippers get: Horford, Clippers 2019 1st, Boston 2018 1st

Boston needs a rebounder at center position and still keep cap space for Hayward and other moves. Clippers get draft picks including their own back and a versatile big that is signed a year longer than Jordan.

Bulls get: DeAndre Jordan
Clippers get: Lopez, Valentine and #16 pick

Bulls get an all-nba player to add to Butler and still have cap space to make a splash in FA. Could alternatively incorporate Wade if he opts in. Clippers get a solid pick and hometown solid starting big in Lopez and young prospect in Valentine.

Cavs get: Jordan
Clippers get: Thompson and Frye

Not sure if really makes Cavs better but Jordan is bigger force on interior and Clippers get a younger big that is signed 3 more years.

Wizards: Jordan
Clippers: Gortat and Bogdanovic (S&T)

Gortat is reportedly unhappy with Wizards so they upgrade on him while Clipper get two solid players in return.

Spurs and his hometown Rockets would also be good destinations but couldn't think of a trade that would really make sense for both sides (some of these are a stretch as is) .

jaw457

1.) 21 Jun 2017 11:10:57
I think the clippers want pg. In that way they might keep cp3 and blake. Give the assets to indy.
If pg leaves in 2018 they still have cp3 and blake.
Think a firstrounder in the range 12-16 is enough because lakers can't offer much.


2.) 21 Jun 2017 13:52:19
I guess dealing Jordan would be a way for Clippers to get assets to get in the George sweepstakes. I'm just not sure Paul and Griffin would base their decision to return for multiple years or not on a guy who may only be a 1year rental. If anything its the other way around, if they are able to sign Paul and Griffin they could help Clippers to resign George if they traded Jordan for him in a 3 team trade.


 

 

19 Jun 2017 02:38:52
With George's most recent statement Pacers are big time losers and Lakers are winners. Personally I think Lakers should still consider trading for him for fear a contender acquires him and he loves it and decides to stay but Ingram, #2 pick, Russell are certainly out of the deal now (unless Pacers are willing to take both Deng and Mozgov's contract) .

I also think Lakers should move down in the draft since with George likely coming aboard there is no room for Jackson (who I believe to be the second best prospect) . They should trade with Phoenix at #4 who Jackson would be a very good fit with and at #4 Lakers can still get Fox or Ball.

What other pieces would it take for this trade to happen? I'm sure Phx would be willing to take on Mozgov or Deng's contracts but would that be enough for Lakers? Maybe Suns would take both but give Lakers back Dudley and Chandler or Knight who have decent sized contracts but not as much or as long as Deng and Mozgov and would be easier to move in subsequent deals.

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1.) 19 Jun 2017 18:38:44
I wish the Pelicans could put together an package that Indiana would accept. While other teams have better assets to offer, the question is would they?


2.) 19 Jun 2017 21:26:40
I'm a Pacers fan and i would take Mozgov's and Deng's contract for the 2 pick.


 

 

08 Jun 2017 16:13:37
Denver builds a quality squad.


Get a starting point guard
Den: Bledsoe
Phx: #13 pick


Consolidate assets for a star
Cle: Chandler, Harris, Gallinari (S&T)
Den: Love, Shumpert

Den lineup
Pg: Bledsoe, Mudiay
Sg: Barton, Murray
Sf: FA, Arthur
Pf: Love, Faried, Hernangomez
C: Jokic, Plumlee

#13 for Bledsoe is probably a little much but I think Bledsoe is a very good defensive point guard that showed improved offensive ability this past year and is only 27. Health is obviously an issue for him but I think with Mudiay and Murray they can limit him minutes.

In the Love trade not sure that is enough but I think Denver has plenty of attractive assets to make a deal happen. Cleveland will likely dangle Love seeking a way to improve after they lose. Denver has plenty of attractive good options for Cleveland. Chandler is a versatile all-around forward that can shoot, defend and rebound, Harris would give them a young, cheap starting shooting guard that can shoot and defend and they'd be able to resign in RFA using his Bird rights. Gallinari is a versatile offensive forward who can make shots. They could also opt for a guy like Faried who is an energy guy and great rebounder and Arthur who could be a quality stretch 4 role player that is also a decent defender in place of Gallinari to give them a little more depth and better defensive/ rebounding presence (Galo doesn't offer much other than offense and decent playmaking for his size) .

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1.) 08 Jun 2017 17:52:07
swap faried to chandler

line up will be
bledsoe/ mudiay/ nelson
murray/ barton
chandler/ hernagomez
love/ arthur
jokic/ plumlee.


2.) 08 Jun 2017 21:41:23
That's not a bad return for Love. Love is a borderline star, but for how he's used in Cleveland, you're able to get that kind of production from other guys like Gallinari. I think he's going to be the scapegoat for this sweep (yes I know there's another game), and what they SHOULD do, is try to get multiple assets for him to improve their depth. Guys like Jefferson and Fry have been good, but you can't rely too much on them at this point in their careers. Bringing in guys like those three would help spread the wealth. LeBron came out of the game for a minute last night, and the Warriors scored ten points or something like that. With him and Kyrie you have a Batman and Robin. Now you need to add a full supporting cast.


3.) 09 Jun 2017 01:53:33
I just can't see Gilbert being happy not winning and losing 50+ million this year, not to mention their GM wanting a huge raise, very doubtful now. I expect big changes this summer .

Both starting centers combined scored a whopping 0 pts and 4 rebounds and 3 dimes.

Tomorrow night expect GS to run circles round James and Irving to tire them more than last night.

Food for thought. CP3 coming on board and trading Kyrie for bench help and picks for the future. Paul would bring more opportunities for the bigs than Irving. And trading Thompson may be a good choice as well. Love is more valuable than Tristan IMO.


4.) 09 Jun 2017 06:48:01
They'd have to clear a ton of salary in order to be able to sign CP3 outright and trading Irving for him wouldn't give the Cavs much (Clippers don't have much of a bench or a future) in the short term and hurt them significantly in the long term. The fact that Love has more valuable than Thompson I think makes him a more realistic trade option since Cavs need significant help if they are to beat Warriors in a 7 game series.


5.) 09 Jun 2017 14:02:06
Bledsoe is a stud when he can stay healthy and has a favorable contract. The 13th pick isn't going to get your phone call returned much less pry him away from Phx. Idk if Cleveland's going to break up the band quite yet especially with Melo on the trade block.


 

 

01 Jun 2017 21:50:32
Mia/ Den/ Phx

Phx trades: Bledsoe
Phx gets: #14 pick

Get a lotto pick for a player that doesn't fit the timeline of their roster

Denver trades: Chandler
Denver gets: Dragic

Get a high caliber starting point guard who can help them compete now and although he is older they have Mudiay and Murray in development. They lose Chandler but can address in FA.

Miami gives: #14 pick and Dragic
Miami gets: Bledsoe and Chandler

Miami gets a younger and cheaper guard in Bledsoe and a starting caliber wing in Chandler. They still have the cap space to make a run at Griffin, Ibaka and others in FA to build a playoff worthy team.

jaw457

1.) 02 Jun 2017 00:09:09
Maybe a little more for Bledsoe, but that could be a pretty good team. I like the idea.


2.) 02 Jun 2017 21:23:24
Like it for Suns!


 

 

19 May 2017 07:22:21
Eric Bledose is a very solid pg signed reasonably for 2 more years that can play very good defense and be a second scoring option on a playoff team. Phx should shop him for younger talent after he is coming off a good, healthy season (he missed only one game before being benched at end of season to allow Suns to tank)

Which of these Eric Bledsoe trades do you think is most reasonable?

1. Bledsoe + #32 to Bulls for #16
Bledsoe would give Bulls a starting caliber pg on a reasonable contract to pair with Butler and create a defensive duo. Bulls could still sign someone like Galo to be a stretch 4. Phx add a younger piece with pick

2. Bledsoe + Warren for Dallas #9
Dallas makes a move that puts them in playoff contention with strong starting pg as well as a young wing in Warren who can score off the bench. Phx get another lotto pick. Can get Tatum and Smith/ Ntilikina to add to young core

3. Bledsoe + #32 to Denver for #13 pick
A lot of potential moves Nuggets could make for Bledsoe but he'd give them a true starting caliber pg that would be deadly combo with Jokic that could push them into playoffs. Phx get another lotto pick to add young talent that will help in the future.

4. Bledsoe to Detroit for #12, Jackson
Jackson looked bad returning from injury and is due a lot of money. They upgrade at pg while saving money with Bledsoe. Phx takes Jacksons bad deal and gets a lotto pick too. Phx would probably try to make a move for Stanley Johnson too who seems under-utilized.

5. Bledose to Indy for #18 pick
indy already has Teague but he would cost double Bledsoe's salary to resign. The money saved could be used to bring in more help via FA and help Pacers build a more formidable team to make a last stand to keep George.

jaw457

1.) 19 May 2017 10:07:21
I think the Denver deal is the best here and could potentially get them into the playoffs while giving the suns a decent pick in return.


2.) 19 May 2017 14:39:08
OK. how about :
Bledsoe, #32 pick this year. and Miami's 2018 1st. to Orlando for #6 and some filler.


3.) 19 May 2017 19:48:23
I like the Denver move. It works for both sides, and the value both get are great. I don't know if 16 or 18 are good enough picks for me to move Bledsoe straight up. he's not perfect, but I'm not sure if you're getting someone better than him there, even in this draft.

If I'm Dallas, I have to start thinking about getting some youth in there. Dirk only has a year or two left, and while I'm all about giving him a last hurrah, you also have to think about the future when you can. They need to bring in a kid to build their next generation. The Detroit trade is interesting, as they have plenty of cap space to bring Jackson in to just sit the bench if they wanted.

#12 is a very enticing return for that, but I don't do it just because of how bad he seems to be for the culture of his teams. I don't want a guy like that infecting my young kids.


 

 

 

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21 Jun 2017 01:50:27
Could anyone please explain to me why in the world the Lakers gave a 4yr 64 million contract to Timofey Mozgov in the first place?

At the time he was a guy who Cavs had given up 2 1st rounders for previously but had most recently fallen out of the rotation and gotten very few minutes in the playoffs not to mention offseason knee surgery which had him not looking like his old self. He seemed like a prime candidate to be the type of guy who would sign a short deal to re-establish his value but no the Lakers give him not only a lot of money annually but a 4 year contract. To make it even worse it was like the first signing of free agency so they didn't even see what the market for centers was like.

Not only was Mozgov not worth that much money but he didn't make sense with the timeline of that team. The Lakers were young and bad and Mozgov wasn't going to change that. They should have had some foresight that if one of their young guys picked up his play they could in a few years be in the running for top-tier free agents because it is LA.

Then Lakers followed it up with signing Deng a day later to even more money at 4yr 72 mill. I understand the need for veteran presence and the value they bring to locker room and practice and stuff as well as the spike in the salary cap but the combination of that much money and especially the length of the contracts are confusing to me.

Lakers aren't the only ones guilty of this as it was a general trend with the spike in salary cap but almost all of those deals are horrible a year later and teams are trying to rid themselves of them.

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1.) 21 Jun 2017 02:29:08
From what I've read the only discernible logic behind the Deng and Mozgov contracts was that they had previously been slow to target secondary free agents the past few years and missed out. So instead of striking out with bigger names they went hard after more realistic targets. I suppose, the market dictated the amount Mozgov received. If Biyombo and Noah were worth 4 years 72, 4 years 64 million for Mozgov wasn't unthinkable at the time hoping he could be the player he was his first year with the Cavs. He was a legitimate starting center that year.


 

 

14 Jun 2017 09:44:16
Guys I I'd be trying to trade for if I were a GM. Relatively young guys on good contracts that could help a team right away. May be better to get some of these guys than to pay a lesser player in FA double.

Eric Bledsoe- big issue is his health but so long as its properly factored into his price I think Bledsoe is among top defensive point guards and a capable 20+ ppg scorer while on a relatively bargain of a contract for 2 more years and in his prime at 27.

Nikola Vucevic- 26 yr old on a bargain contract for next two years. Nightly double-double threat that can stretch the floor some on offense and is a solid defender.

Derrick Favors- Similar scenario to Bledsoe with injury concerns but when healthy he is a defensive force and great rebounder. He has one year remaining on his deal and will be 26 in July. Think would be more productive moving back to center.

Danny Green- Spurs may be trying to shed salary and he may be odd man out with rise of Simmons. He has a modest contract tho and is still one of best 3 and D players in the league.

Wilson Chandler- Versatile forward that can do a little bit of everything and on a modest contract for next two years.

Thaddeus Young- May be expendable if Pacers move George. He is pretty athletic and really improved his 3pt shot making him a solid stretch 4 that isn't a complete stiff.

Ricky Rubio- Has always been a great passer and solid defender but flashed an improved offensive game (shot 44% from 3 in April on almost 3 attempts per game) and is on a modest contract and is about to enter his prime at age 26.

Kemba Walker- Not sure how willing Charlotte is to deal him but him making only 12 mill for next 2 years puts him among best contracts in the league.

jaw457

1.) 14 Jun 2017 12:02:13
Bledsoe - Pistons are reportedly looking for a player for a win now scenario and he could fit well with core od KCP, Harris and Drummond.

Vucevic - IMO would be a perfect fit with the Celtics and what you said about him is just what they need.

Favors - I like him a lot, would love to see him sticking with Jazz. Only other teams I could see him leave for are Spurs or Wizards (only if they get rid of Mahinmi and Gortat shifted to the bench) .

Green - would fit nicely with Clippers if they keep core of Paul, Griffin and Jordan. I'm just not sure what could LAC offer to Spurs for him.

Chandler/ Young - IMO should be primary targets for OKC in the offseason (if they get rid of Kanter) .

Rubio - I like him with the Wolves, honestly can't understand why are there constant trade rumours about him leaving Wolves.

Walker - can't see him leave, unless it is an offer Hornets can't refuse.


2.) 14 Jun 2017 14:16:21
Walker or Bledsoe go Pelicans.


3.) 14 Jun 2017 19:06:56
Yeah both would be just what Pels should be looking for, just not sure what could they offer for them. Maybe some crazy multi team deal where Pels offer future protected pick.


 

 

08 Jun 2017 00:21:30
When will the Warriors dominance end?

Curry, 29, and Durant, 28, will likely resign this offseason (they have Curry's Bird rights so they can sign both to max if they sign Durant first) . They likely will go into luxury but I don't think that will stop them from continuing the dynasty.

Thompson, 27, is under contract for two more years after this year so he can potentially leave at age of 29 but Warriors will have his Bird rights so if he wanted to stay he could and still get big bucks.

Green, 27, is under contract for three more years after this season and similarly Warriors have his Bird rights to retain him.

Shooting typically ages well and none of these guys are great run, jump athletes to begin with so I think Warriors should be a top-tier title contender minimally for next 5 years. Twolves should be much improved by then and I think could in 3-5 years dethrone the Warriors but I think they are the only team as currently constructed that has a clear chance down the line.

jaw457

1.) 08 Jun 2017 09:54:48
Lebron to Spurs or OKC if there's any chance.


2.) 08 Jun 2017 14:30:46
The issue is everyone focuses on the "big 4". One major reason they are so good is their depth rivals any team kn the league. If they sign curry and Durant to max deals it will have a negative effect on their depth.

Gotta admit though. Pretty awful to watch.


3.) 08 Jun 2017 14:31:28
By the ways, did love even play last night? Lol.


4.) 09 Jun 2017 01:08:49
Poor Lebron and Kyrie.


 

 

24 Apr 2017 15:54:46
What reason is there to believe that George would stay in Indy? He has clearly stated that he'd stay if the can become a contender (they clearly aren't) and that he would be interested in playing for the Lakers (they have cap space, need for star power and a new regime in Magic that didn't draft the young guys there so doesn't have a strong attachment to developing them) .

All-nba voting will be tight for George but I think he gets traded regardless (potential extension can be leveraged to increase Pacers return) .

The interesting wrinkle is that Larry Bird is current President of Pacers and will likely have the option of dealing George to his old team Celtics or his arch-nemesis Magic who now heads Lakers. Celtics have the assets but are always gun-shy and are probably more so with George's public interest in Lakers (a potential early playoff exit could lead them to finally pull trigger) . I ultimately think Magic will give Bird an offer he cannot refuse as I believe he will want to put his stamp on the franchise and be the one who brings them back to prominence. I don't think Buss would shake up the front office the way she did if they were just going to develop the young guys. She brought in Magic to get a familiar face in there and bring lakers back to the golden days. I think that starts with George and with him aboard others will come flocking. In 2018 offseason they could potentially add talents like Westbrook, Cousins or more realistic ones like Melo and Brook Lopez.

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1.) 25 Apr 2017 00:49:54
Honestly, I doubt he stays, but they'll have a ton of cap space the year he hits the open market and Turner could be a beast in a few years.

The Lakers have a good a chance as any to land him and a reason to think he would stay, but I could definitely see a bidding war now that the number of stars who might be shopped is dwindling.


2.) 25 Apr 2017 08:26:26
Personally I think he should go Boston for a package centered around Brooklyns no 1 pick and crowder.


3.) 25 Apr 2017 10:19:37
With him publicly saying that he wants to play for Lakers would Celtics really be willing to give up that much without a guarantee he'll resign there? (I could see Celtics giving a similar maybe even slightly stronger offer for Butler since he is signed at least an additional year but he is becoming less likely to be moved with Chicago's performance in playoffs. )

Lakers could also give an arguably better package. I guess it hinges on them keeping their pick which is about a 50/ 50 toss up at this point. It will probably be the deciding factor of where he goes.

Which would you prefer?

#1 and Crowder
or
#3 and Ingram/ Russell

Crowder will be only 27 this summer and is signed cheaply until 2020 and a very solid starter and most agree Fultz is clearly best prospect.

I think Lakers would probably prefer to keep Russell over Ingram (although with they have a potential shot at getting Westbrook and with Clarkson as a filler maybe they move Russell) . Ingram/ Russell I think present significantly more upside than Crowder and Pacers would be guaranteed to retain them longer (assuming they match all offers in RFA) . #3 pick I think would be Ball who I think based upon his skill set would work well along two high level players although Jackson with his flexibility could easily work too. A potential trio of Ball, Ingram and Turner I think would set Pacers up for a promising future that would allow them to move on from George.


4.) 25 Apr 2017 13:03:26
I understand that point of view for the pacers management to go no # 3 + Ingram

But I don't understand PGs desire to play at the lakers they have no star players, Russell and randle are still a few years away! No depth, he'll have no succes unless they are banking on signing a big free agent which they haven't since shaq in 96!

Bot Boston they have depth, a go to scorer in Thomas! He won't have to shoulder the offence so he can focus on being a lockdown defender again and will be competing for championships in the next few years!


5.) 25 Apr 2017 15:40:09
I think PG13 just want a 200M contract

We should try to sign G Hayward in free agency and we should trade him for a Nets pick or the LA pick+ Ingram, if we can't land a good free agent.


6.) 26 Apr 2017 02:01:33
I don't think the final offers will end up being a 3rd and Ingram or Crowder and the 1st. I also think other teams will be going after George. Plenty of the low level playoff teams and young teams about to compete could give solid offers. If any of the playoff teams in the East add George, they probably end up being the 2nd best team in the East and that would probably be enough to keep George around.


 

 

09 Apr 2017 03:49:49
What do y'all make of some reports saying that Ben Simmons has grown 2 inches since the draft?

I don't think its unheard of since he is only what 19-20 and many guys have grown since being drafted (Paul George, Kevin Durant and Giannis come to mind) .

My only concern is how growing may influence his physical health (maybe it is what contributed to his foot injury) . Regardless 76ers will be a fun team to watch. Simmons and Embiid can either break the entire league with their skills at heights of (or close to) 7ft or they themselves can stay broken and never get past their injury woes that has plagued the majority of their careers thus far.

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1.) 09 Apr 2017 18:08:36
76ers just have to put the right pieces and veterans around them now.


 

 

 

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22 Jun 2017 08:02:01
Kings already declined #5 and #10 for #2 so I'm not sure Clarkson changes that especially with Brewer's contract attached.

Can't imagine Knicks giving up Porzingis for that little either. Also, I'm not certain Ball makes it past Phoenix at #4 especially if Celtics take Fox since Kings took Jackson.

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22 Jun 2017 07:59:03
Green is one of best 3 and D players in the league. He would be a very solid pickup for the 76ers. His fit is so good I'm not certain Spurs have to include #29.

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22 Jun 2017 07:54:33
The trades solid, Jordan would be a good pickup for Bulls but if I were Bulls I wouldn't want to touch Crawford's contract. Millsap wouldn't be bad either although he is a little on the old side. Not a fan of bringing back Rondo although a replacement may be too expensive especially if they are taking Crawford back in the trade. I'd try to snag Teague since Pacers are unlikely to resign him after they deal George.

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22 Jun 2017 07:52:07
If I'm Milwaukee I'd probably try and get Jordan for myself instead of helping another team get him. Lopez wouldn't be a bad pickup tho and he has a reasonable contract so don't think this trade would be terrible.

Not certain what Jordan's value is like on the open market since only playoff teams would most likely be interested in the 29 yr old and most of them already have a solid starting center. Also, he isn't signed long term and teams may hold off dealing for him until they see if Paul and Griffin resign since if they don't Jordan's value plummets since Clipper would have little leverage and would be trying to deal him for something.

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22 Jun 2017 07:46:08
I don't think Twolves should give up that much for Butler. I'm not that keen about them giving up Wiggins in general but Wiggins, #7 AND Rubio doesn't make sense for them. I'm not even sure I'd do LaVine, #7 and Rubio.

Bulls return isn't great especially since they are giving up their #16 pick. Its nothing compared to what Celtics would likely offer.

Knicks are getting back too much in this trade. Yes they are giving up #8 but Wiggins is more valuable than that and I'm not convinced most teams would even give up #16 pick for Melo at this stage of his career. He certainly doesn't make sense for Bulls without Butler who could just trade directly with Twolves and get a better return in this scenario.

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