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24 May 2017 20:21:41
Talks are that the Knicks want Crowder in any kind of Melo deal. I personally don't want Melo on the Celtics, but I would love to grab Jordan from the Clippers, who would probably love to bring in Melo.

Celtics get Jordan

Clippers get Melo and Bradley

Knicks get Rivers and Crowder

The Celtics get the rebounding and rim protection they so desperately need without sacrificing everything on offense at the 5.
The Clippers get a guy in Melo who should help keep Paul around, as well as a guy in Bradley to replace Redick.
The Knicks get the guy that they want in Crowder, as well as a PG to fill the "loss" of Rose.

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1.) 24 May 2017 21:54:08
I like this trade but would definitely try to substitute Smart and a pick for Bradley as they both will be due for pay raises after next year. Also I would think this would try to happen after free agency in hopes that we can land Hayward first and then add on the salary of Jordan.


2.) 25 May 2017 14:56:13
@LarryLegend- so smart and which pick would go to the Clippers?


3.) 25 May 2017 15:23:53
the knicks have no leverage in this melo ordeal. if he's on the roster he's going to play. phil has made it clear he doesn't want him on the roster. they're going to get rid of him one way or another and with melo's no trade clause, he can force his way wherever he wants. he will end up on the clippers and he's not going to have them trade one of their big 3 to do it.


4.) 25 May 2017 15:59:41
I would think Smart and the 53rd. pick.


 

 

17 May 2017 14:24:37
If CP3 goes to San Antonio, or anywhere else really.

Boston: Jordan (sign Hayward)

Clippers: Bradley, Crowder, Rozier, Boston 2018 1st round pick.

Boston is likely going to draft Fultz. At that point, they're going to have to do something with the glut of guards. Bradley has shown he's a beast, Crowder is that fantastic glue guy who does everything pretty well, and Rozier has really shown what he can do in this postseason. What they need is rebounding and rim protection. Jordan fits both bills, and they should still have room to sign a max contract in Hayward to man the SF spot.

Thomas/ Jackson
Fultz/ Smart
Hayward/ Brown/ Nader
Horford/ Yabusele/ Mickey
Jordan/ Zizic

The Clippers, on the other hand, are potentially looking at a full scale rebuild. If I'm them, I'm trying to keep myself relevant with the Lakers drafting so much potential star power. If they lose Paul, they're likely to lose Redick, and might lose Griffin as well. In that case, you can use Jordan to bring in players to fill holes in the roster. The key is, you're bringing in all three of those players totaling only 16 million for this season. Paul, Griffin, Redick and Jordan total 71 million this season. They'll finally have the financial flexibility they've been lacking for years. They'd also want to move Rivers and that stupid 11 million contract.

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1.) 17 May 2017 14:56:41
I have the celtics signing hayward and trading that pick along with assets for jimmy butler and robin lopez. Giving them a lineup of:

Pg. I. Thomas
Sg. J. Butler
Sf. G. Hayward
Pf. A. Horford
C. R. Lopez.


2.) 17 May 2017 16:29:04
How does Boston pay all these guys and field a respectable bench? They have to resign Thomas at this point right? He's going to get 200 mil.

Are both crowder and Bradley gone at the end of thier contracts? What about smart? All thrse guys will be offered more money elsewhere. right?


3.) 17 May 2017 16:42:55
I tend to like junkies trade. It would put the C's right up there on the luxury threshold for 1 year though. But if your in it to win then it would be worth it. Providing you win. Also If they could swing this without giving up next years Net pick it's makes it more realistic.

No matter how one looks at it Boston will have a completely different team next year outside of IT and Horford.


4.) 17 May 2017 17:52:59
IT is not getting 200 million!


5.) 17 May 2017 19:26:41
IT will be getting the max from somewhere.179 million is the actual amount if we're being a stickler.

My point is moreso that Ainge is going to have to be very creative, and that major parts of thier current team aren't going to be there going forward if they sign/ trade for another max guy.


6.) 17 May 2017 22:21:21
Don't think that is enough to get Jordan but Celtics could really use an upgrade at the center position with some rebounding (Jordan is one of leading rebounders in NBA) .

As many alluded to the issue becomes salary. IT has been the life blood of the team so I find it tough to get rid of him but he is an aging 5ft9 guard and Fultz could potentially step into his role if they did acquire a Hayward/ Butler type that could pickup the primary scorer role. I'm not sure what his value is like but I think Horford would be a natural option to shop. Although extremely skilled he has a large contract, getting up there in age and is a bit of a tweener at this point in his career. If they added another star to IT I think he becomes an expensive 3rd option. Bradley I think also sadly has to go since they simply won't be able to afford him if they add another big name.


 

 

09 May 2017 14:56:23
Knicks get Brook Lopez, Ricky Rubio

T'Wolves get Melo

Nets get Noah, Muhammad, #7 pick from Knicks, #44 from Knicks.

The Knicks get their real PG and a real C to pair with Porzingis, along with getting out from under the Noah deal.

Melo would be a very interesting fit in Minny if he's willing to go. He would fit right into the staring lineup at PF next to Towns, and brings a veteran presence to a very young and talented group.

The Nets might be willing to do this simply to get a real player. They've got no chance of competing for the duration of Lopez' contract. They bring back a bad contract in Noah, but actually free up 4 million per year for the duration of Lopez' deal. The big get is the 1st rounder. This would give them three first rounders in this draft, but this would be their only top ten. It's a deep draft, so they should be able to get a real player at #7, and role players with potential at 22 and 27 to begin their rebuild. The only way they're luring any free agents is to drastically overpay, so the only real way to get better is with draft picks and a little luck. They would probably wind up with guys like Smith or Fox at 7, and would have the potential of guys like Kennard, Rabb, Swanigan, Anunoby, Giles, Adebayo, etc at the other two spots. Three of that group could be the core that helps bring them out of the basement.

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1.) 09 May 2017 16:11:31
For MIN, Shabazz is a RFA, so this is Rubio + cap space for Melo. I don't think he'd drop the NTC, but that is probably a deal you do on value alone. I don't particularly like the fit - MIN needs a defensive PF that can protect the rim.

For NJN, they have to say yes. Eating Noah is extremely painful, but they need that #7 pick to start to rebuild.

For MIN, I think it clears them up for the future, but that might be too high a price for me.

Interesting trade.


2.) 09 May 2017 23:28:35
oops - my last line should have been "For NYK" that might be too high a price.


 

 

18 Apr 2017 16:44:11
If the Celtics get the #1 pick

Celtics trade 2017 #1 overall, 2018 Celtics and Memphis picks, Rozier, Mickey and the rights to Nader. for Porzingis

This is obviously if the rumors of Porzingis being fed up with the Knicks are accurate. The gain for the Celtics is obvious. They get a young stud PF to play alongside Horford who would fit their system perfectly. I don't think I need to argue their upside.

The Knicks would be getting the #1 pick, which could be Ball or Fultz depending on who Jackson thinks would run his triangle the best. They also wind up getting three picks in next season's draft to take anything they can get. They get Rozier, who has proven to be a capable backup PG, and Mickey. mostly thrown in for filler. The interesting guy would be Nader, who just finished up a rookie of the year campaign in the D-League. Obviously the competition isn't the same, but he's looked impressive.

That's where I would start the framework of the deal, and they still have that 2018 Nets pick to swap with one of the other 2018 picks to beef up the package during negotiations.

The bigger key for the Celtics is that they'd hold onto their cap flexibility, and would still be able to go after a guy like Hayward. With those picks gone guys like PG13 and Butler are out of the conversation, so he'd be the primary target.

All that said, I think the Porzingis stuff will blow over and they won't even consider trading him, but it's fun to speculate in the meantime.

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1.) 18 Apr 2017 17:54:23
I would offer both Brkln picks, 2 2nd rd. picks as well as 1 of Smart, Crowder, Bradley or Brown. This playoff round is really showing their weakness loud and clear. Need a big big time. If the C's don't make it out of the 1st rd. DA needs to call Jackson and make an offer he can't refuse, even it means taking Melo in the deal.


2.) 18 Apr 2017 19:25:35
I don't like it for either team. The chances the Knicks find a guy agian with Poringis's potential are low and the Celtics are the 1 seed right now. If they are going to give up that much go after an established star like George or Butler.


3.) 18 Apr 2017 20:37:31
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whooooooooooa.
billj, you would really take Anthony?


4.) 18 Apr 2017 23:37:16
And Noah for Supercollider.


5.) 19 Apr 2017 01:13:14
If it would get the C's Porzingis I would do that deal. He could be traded at a later date easier with the Celtics than with NYK IMO. He might even be a different player in a Stevens system. Food for thought.


6.) 19 Apr 2017 14:53:53
I'd have to think long and hard about taking on one of the other rough contracts, be it Melo or Noah. melo can play, but he's ideally a stretch 4 which is what you're going after Porzingis for in the first place. The reason the Knicks are in the situation they are is that their top players really are at the same position. Noah brings everything you'd want in a bench big when healthy. but that contract would destroy their cap over the next few contract extensions. If Melo and/ or Noah need to go, I think you're probably looking at a third team being involved like Minny or even Denver. Melo would be a very interesting fit on both teams if he was willing to look at basketball instead of nightlife. He reportedly split from LaLa, so that might not be as big a concern.

Maybe make it so that Celtics get Porzingis, Wolves get Melo, and NY gets Rubio, Aldrich, Rozier, Mickey, #1 and two 2018 non Nets 1sts.


7.) 19 Apr 2017 19:10:26
To me the origimal deal is rozier and the first pick for zinger. The rest of the offer doesn't bring much if any value being 2 dleaguers and 2 late firsts.

The deal would start with both Brooklyn picks I think, and even then ny has no reason to trade him.

If Ainge didn't need to rip everyone off, he could have had one of the Sixers bigs over the summer. It wasn't hard to see the current bigs on the celtics (if you want to call anyone on the celtics a big) were bums.


8.) 20 Apr 2017 04:50:41
Ainge didn't rip anyone off! If you mean Bradley and Crowder they signed contracts prior to the Cap going up he didn't hold any gun to their heads to make them Sign. At that time those guys got paid accordingly with good contracts. And as far as IT, he was signed by the Suns then traded. And Brooklyn was the stupid ones for offering a gold mine for KG and Pierce. He was a freaking Genius for scoring that mother load.


9.) 20 Apr 2017 14:51:14
I could care less what the players on the celtics are making salary-wise.

I was moreso looking at his trade history along with the rumors that were floating around on and around draft night this past year regarding him unwilling to move their first rounder or really moving anything of value for anything other then a superstar (George, butler, etc. ) that would require a much larger package.

I just think he doesn't necessarily look at trade scenarios in which both teams would benefit. Only ones in which the celtics would win by a large margin.

The celtics thinking that they would have any legitimate chance at a championship with the current list of 4's and 5's they had was laughable. With all those core guys on reasonable contracts along with the addition of horford, if think they'd be trying to make a move THIS year at at least making the championship and seeing what happens.

At their current pace, they are going to need to make a lot of decisions on a lot of guys In the next two years and more then likely will end up with a team of horrors smart bradley/ crowder and a bunch of young guys in 3 years. is that championship material?


 

 

23 Jan 2017 18:11:31
Celtics get Redick and Speights

Clippers get Jerebko, Rozier, 2018 Boston 1st Rounder and 2017 Clippers and Cavs 2nd Rounders.

This all is based on the Clippers realizing this isn't the year, and probably moving Griffin somewhere too. An additional non Nets 1st rounder could be discussed as well.

Clippers get some good pieces to build with and Celtics get some much needed shooting and rebounding without mortgaging the entire future.

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22 Jun 2017 16:49:39
Not a trade, but I just wanted to gauge how happy people would be if the dominoes all fell correctly and Ball wound up not getting picked by the Lakers, falling to Orlando or Minny later on. He's already been recruiting LeBron to a team he's not even on.

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1.) 22 Jun 2017 17:02:42
Anything that gets Lavar to shut his mouth makes the world a better place.


 

 

 

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19 Jul 2017 16:30:46
This one is a fantastic trade for almost everyone involved. Memphis doesn't really get any better, but Love is 4 years younger than Gasol, so he should be around longer.

It's especially good for the Cavs, as it takes away their number 2 star, but gives them a ton more depth, which is more important to have around James. so I really don't want anyone to see this and make it a reality.

Phoenix gets a legit star to pair with Booker, and he's young enough that he will still be there when Booker is a top guy and Jackson comes into his own. They give up a lot of potential in Bender and Chriss, so they're going to need help in the frontcourt, but it's the beginnings of a solid squad.

NY gets Thompson to play alongside Porzingis, and Bender to back him up. More importantly, they're getting anything of real value for Melo, which is all they can ask for at this point.

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18 Jul 2017 17:01:31
That's a terrible trade for the Wolves. However, I do like Melo's fit in Minnesota. Before the Butler trade, I was all about them moving pieces to get him. Wiggins is too much to give up though. If you were to replace Wiggins with Aldrich for the salaries and a pick or two for the substance, you're in the right ballpark. Dieng would fit very well with Porzingis, and he's young enough to grow with the kids on that squad. I don't think Hernangomez is a starting 5, but he's going to be a solid rotational big. Aldrich is literally filler, and you'll wind up with a late first rounder or two. I'm not sure they'll get much better.

The Wolves would be able to slot Melo right in at the 4, which is where he should be playing at this point in his career. He'd provide solid outside shooting which they could really use, and you'd have to worry about points coming from every position on the floor. Defense would be an issue, but Thibs and Butler seem to be strong enough personalities that they'd be able to pull everyone in, and Thibs would be able to scheme for their strengths.

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18 Jul 2017 16:26:45
I agree that Drummond is overrated, but they still should get more than that back for him.

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17 Jul 2017 18:38:50
Maybe if Phoenix gets the picks/ swap rights from all these teams for the next 6 years.

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17 Jul 2017 18:37:02
It's getting panned, but I actually don't hate this trade as long as the Blazers really want Melo. You can slot him right in as the PF next to Nurcic. Sure Noah's contract is terrible, but so are Crabbe and Turner's, and they also don't fit the team all that well. In this case, you're bringing in a player you really want, along with one dead weight contract.

As for the Knicks, you get the big time PG you need, a center who could see the floor, and a guy in Crabbe who's on a terrible contract, but will be able to play for you. That team will fit better around Porzingis, and will probably compete for the playoffs for better or worse.

I like it a lot for Phoenix though. They bring in three solid, if not spectacular, players in exchange for Bledsoe. Could they get something better? Maybe. But I like Turner's playmaking style alongside Booker.

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