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17 Oct 2018 04:48:35
Butler to Sixers or Bucks
Which one do you want..

Butler to Sixers for Covington and Fultz/Saric

Butler to Bucks for Bledsoe and Maker/Brogdon plus future 1st pick/s

3rd wheel team would be Phoenix Suns, getting a PG and Dieng for Chandler and pick/s..

Simmons, Embiid, Giannis and Middleton are off limits..

17 Oct 2018 11:24:36
They aren’t getting Fultz or Saric or multiple picks from the Bucks.

17 Oct 2018 01:34:53
Cavs - Mavs - Suns

Cavs get:
Mathews
Chandler
Powell
Daniels
19 Bucks 1st (Via Suns) OR 21 Heats Pick

Mavs get:
Thompson
Smith
Korver

Suns get:
Clarkson
Barea

Cavs receive cap relief with all expiring deals except Powell. Start rebuild

Mavs get pieces that they can make a strong run in playoffs for next 2 years.

Suns get two strong pgs. One young and one vet for a bad contract and a pick

16 Oct 2018 20:29:40
POR - MIL

Portland get Dellavedova, Snell, Henson
Milwaukee get Turner, Harkless, Leonard, POR 1st

This is an exchange of garbage but..

- It allows Portland to avoid the tax for the next couple of years.

- It gives Milwaukee a 1st and the Bucks get out of Snell's third year.

16 Oct 2018 21:50:41
I can't see Portland taking on the third year of Snell and giving up a first to take on 3 bad non-expiring contracts for their 3 bad non-expiring contracts. If one of those were expiring, it would be more reasonable.

16 Oct 2018 22:19:23
@Bmiller Portland saves 7.8 mil this year and 9.9 mil the next. Instead they will have to pay huge tax in the next two years for a team that hasn't real chance for WCF. The price for that is Snell's 12.2 mil in 2020 and the 1st.
For sure the Blazers could do better sending Leonard and the 1st to SAC, but they don't seem to be interested.

16 Oct 2018 00:17:04
Magic Trade Jerian Grant 2019 second round pick unprotected Melvin Frazier

Dallas Trade Jalen Brunson Kostas Antetokounmpo

Magic needs Small Forward & Point Guard

Dallas doesn't need Small Forward & Point Guard

These players hadn't played in preseason games

Magic can Develop these players to be good players

Like Bucks develop Giannis Antetokounmpo in 2013 looks how he is now & Like Spurs develop Kawhi Leonard looks how he is now

16 Oct 2018 03:54:12
Maybe you don't think the mavs need these guys but I assure you the mavs very much want Jalen Brunson, and Kostas Antetokounmpo. Could be a wee bit better than the older Thanasis who didn't hold so well in the nba. No a caboclo just yet! So no to the magic from mavs.

16 Oct 2018 23:31:39
Very nice. A garbage player and an UNPROTECTED second rounder for a second round and first round pick from the draft that just happened. Makes sense.

15 Oct 2018 07:26:18
I don't think this would happen because I don't think Thunder would trade Westbrook but I am trying to find a good trade for if Schroder works well and they did decide to trade him what do y'all think about this one?
Thunder, Bucks, Magic

Thunder get Gordon, Middleton, Brogdon, 2 1st round picks Bucks, a 2nd round picks Magic

Magic get Roberson, Bledsoe

Bucks get Westbrook

Salaries work.

Bucks pair up Westbrook and Giannis become a major threat in the East. The 2 1sts won't be high and Bledsoe is expiring.

Magic get a starting PG they need and a top defensive player for Gordon. Gordon is not a player you build around as a 1st option he is a 2b or 3rd option and his contract is more than he is worth he is getting over 20 mil a year. .

Thunder get a clear starting PF a solid 2 way player to pair with George and a great piece to come off the bench plus picks. They are losing a superstar but their roster would be a lil more even and not just depending on 2 guys they would have good defense and pretty good ball movement.

Thunder new roster
Schroder/Brogdon/Felton
Middleton/Abrines/Diallo
George/Ferguson/TLC/Nader
Gordon/Grant/Patterson
Adams/Noel/Patterson
Their 15 man roster is full but they have a versatile group and a good group of young talent to develop.

15 Oct 2018 07:36:41
Magic give up too much for that return. Gordon is far more valuable than Roberson or Bledsoe.

15 Oct 2018 11:18:56
Magic declined that deal.

15 Oct 2018 14:17:08
I feel like Westbrook is a bad fit next to Giannis. If I’m the Bucks, I’d rather have the guys that can shoot and picks than Westbrook.

15 Oct 2018 21:11:45
The fit might not be perfect, but if the Bucks could land Westbrook for that, they do it. Talent is generally more important than fit.

That said, OKC would be crazy to do this. As would the Magic.

16 Oct 2018 23:00:55
What PG are the Bucks left to play with? Bucks reject, they are giving much more than they should. No team that would want to compete would trade two starters. The Bucks can instead add Butler for much less and even opt for Kemba Walker at a next step.

14 Oct 2018 19:36:44
Last minute trade,

The Suns trade T. J. Warren (SF) to the Bucks.

The Bucks trade M Dellavedova, (PG) and PF D.J. Wilson to the Suns. Salaries match.

Plus Phoenix gets the veteran PG their looking for. And a young PF in Wilson.

The Bucks get a backup SF they need behind Middleton.

All 3 players could use a change of scenery.

Thoughts?

14 Oct 2018 21:22:20
The Suns could do better for Warren.

14 Oct 2018 21:37:38
The Suns probably could, But, They haven't. Warren is listed as 3rd String SF. salary is $11.5 Mil. a year. together Dellevedova and Wilson make 12.1 Mil. a year. salaries work, Plus, Phoenix has been looking for a backup veteran PG, and could use a young PF. This trade will allow the suns to keep all their picks, without sending any. The Bucks would do a headup trade, Allowing them to also keep PG Tim Fraizer. If the Suns can do better without adding a pick, Great for them!

14 Oct 2018 22:14:56
Warren is big enough to play some pf for them. It’s not like they can’t find minutes for him. Delly has 2 years left, is making close to 10 million and doesn’t even look like a competent back up point. There are free agent pgs that could give you the same thing Delly can, if not more. Wilson showed nothing last year. If they’re willing to give up Warren, they can do better. Why give up a solid young player on a a decent contract for 2 guys that may not give you anything for the same amount of money.

14 Oct 2018 22:56:13
Wilson isn't a huge bribe to deal with dellavedova's deal. Warren is worth more. Crawford would be great for one season and draft a PG in June.

14 Oct 2018 23:04:34
Its apparent Warren hasn't given the Suns much. If he had, He wouldn't be a 3rd stringer now. As far as playing some PF. Who would he replace? . Maybe the Suns should play Warren at PG? That's what they're looking for. As far as Dellavedova, Yes there are a lot better. Why then hasn't Phoenix called or trading for one of them? Plus, If Warren was really as good as you think he is, Why hasn't some other team traded for him yet? This trade I proposed would benefit both teams, While not giving up picks either way, and nothing more.

15 Oct 2018 13:57:30
Warren got much more value, the suns gm james jones wants to play booker at point and sign Crawford so this deal isn’t good for phx.

15 Oct 2018 20:51:17
Delly averaged 4.5 pts last year
Warren averaged 19pts
Big difference.

13 Oct 2018 16:17:25
Mil-Min

To Min Henson Bledsoe Snell

To Mil Butler Dieng.

13 Oct 2018 16:27:41
1st maybe too I just don't think anybody is going to give that much for butler and these 3 have been key players on playoff teams.

13 Oct 2018 22:15:56
No one wants Dieng's contract. Your proposed trade would be fine for Butler, If you take out Bledsoe, and put in Zeller, or DJ Wilson. The wolves have enough PG's, They need a backup SG, and Center. That for Butler would work salary wise also.

13 Oct 2018 22:17:51
The problem with this trade is the return contracts for Minn. Bledsoe is the only expiring contract, and he's the best player in the deal going to Minn. So if you count his contract as a positive for Minn, then the overall player return value drops if Bledsoe, the best player coming from Bucks, is considered a one and done to dump his contract. I think having the longest view in the room helps Minn decline this deal.

10 Oct 2018 23:22:16
PHX-MIN

MIN receives: Warren, Bender, Bridges, MIL 2019 1st rd pick
-MIN gets a haul of prospects and a 1st rd pick for Butler. Maybe the best package a team could offer them.

PHX receives: Butler, Jones
- PHX rolls the dice and try to contend this year. Make Butler comfortable a la George-OKC. Sign a point guard next season(Kyrie or Kemba) and resign Butler.

2019-2020 lineup would be Kyrie, Booker, Butler, Jackson, Ayton. 6th man - Jones. Contenders.

11 Oct 2018 02:34:30
Oh Kyrie is going from Celtics to the suns Hmmm #%*€%#*¥.

11 Oct 2018 06:04:50
That is the best case scenario for PHX but Kemba would do as well.

10 Oct 2018 02:40:54
Last try to trade Noah

Bucks get Lee Noah
Magic get Delly NY 2019 2nd
Sixers get Henson Snell
Knicks get Ross Chandler Bayless-cut


Hardaway Kanters Thomas Trier
for
Randolph Shumpert Koufos McLemore-cut

Ntilikina/Burke/Mudiay
Ross/Shumpert/Baker
Chandler/Dotson/Hezonja
Porzingis/Knox/Randolph
Robinson/Vonleh/Koufos

10 Oct 2018 04:09:13
I believe the Bucks would pass. No one wants Noah! Milwaukee has enough bad contracts without trying to get rid of 3 of them to bring another one back. Milwaukee looks like its going to stand pat.

10 Oct 2018 05:33:01
I read the knicks were holding out for an injury maybe before waiving Noah? I almost spit up my beer laughing. Who could get injured on any team in the nba that would entice them into wanting to deal for Noah and his 36 mil. Seriously?

10 Oct 2018 13:51:21
Knicks don't need to trade Noah right now. If they want to clear cap Lee and hardaway can get traded at deadline for a team in need if they produce right for expirting contracts. Suck the season out get quality pick. Trade Noah on draft night with 2020 pick attached for nothing then have 2019 pick, Knox, zing cap space and Robinson plus ntilikina.

10 Oct 2018 19:28:58
NY needs to just ride it out, and hope Porzingis is patient. They have actually started to draft some good building blocks, and need to keep that going. I can't imagine Lee wouldn't be a really good chip at the deadline, but I wouldn't turn my nose up at them moving him now. His shooting percentages and his defensive ability would make him a very valuable asset for any contending team. If they're also able to get back ANYTHING for that THJ contract, I'd take it. I hate to say it, but they need to just trust the process. Giving up on it too quickly and making a dumb move as soon as they have a glimmer of hope is what got them to this point in the first place.

09 Oct 2018 04:23:55
Bucks send: Dellavedova
Receive: Powell
Even out their roster, both on the same contract.

Suns send: Warren
Receive: Dellavedova, Barea, '20 2nd
Receive two veteran PGs who will be good locker room presences, and will space out the offense for their younger players.

Mavs send: Powell, Barea, '20 2nd
Receive: Warren
A starting 5 of DSJ, Doncic, Barnes, Warren, DJ will be young and fun to watch. Will also have cap space to add a star next offseason

09 Oct 2018 17:56:39
How about the Bucks send Dellavedova and D. J. Wilson to the Suns for Warren? Milwaukee can use a backup SF behind Middleton. No need to get Dallas involved. All 3 players could use a change of scenery.

09 Oct 2018 18:32:58
If I have to trade warren for dellavedova and barea then I'd want a 1st instead of a 2nd. Wouldn't need to be lottery.

08 Oct 2018 15:20:43
MIL - MIN - BOS

Bucks get Butler
Minny gets Bledsoe, Brogdon, Morris
Boston gets Wilson

The main idea is Butler for Bledsoe and Brogdon, which is not bad for the Wolves given the offers they have. In this Minnesota gain one more decent asset.

Celtics do this of course to avoid the tax. They give their 15th spot to a former 1st round pick to find out if there is NBA material in him.

Milwaukee could slide DDV into starting lineup after that. They will still have Delly for backup help at pg. Bucks should be OK if Minny asks to add Dieng and Henson in the deal.

08 Oct 2018 17:38:38
The Bucks would need to add a 1st rd pick, Plus Bledsoe and Brogdan. Why would Boston want to trade Morris for "Unproven" Wilson? Henson has no value, And why would DDV slide into the starting lineup? They could just add one of their other PG (Frazier? )

08 Oct 2018 18:31:39
@torque I think it's clear that Boston could do this only to avoid being in repeated tax next year. Of course not for Wilson.
And really, Frazier?

08 Oct 2018 22:57:00
@milpso, Yes Tim Frazier, Again, Boston would say no, And the wolves would want at least a 1st. rd. pick, plus players. We all know the Bucks rejected Butler for Middleton.

08 Oct 2018 03:12:07
Heat receive: Butler
Send: Richardson, Winslow, Bam, '19 & '20 2nd
Get the star for their roster and don't have to take on Dieng

Twolves receive: Richardson, Winslow, Bam, Shumpert
Send: Butler, Dieng, Jones
Bring in 3 players who fit their time line and a vet wing.

Kings receive: Dieng, Bucks 1st, '20 2nd
Send: Shumpert
Get a couple of picks for their cap space

Suns receive: Jones, '19 2nd
Send: Bucks 1st
Get a young PG who could start

08 Oct 2018 14:26:11
No 1st for Teague but a 1st for Jones? I wouldn't pay that.

07 Oct 2018 12:43:52
Cavs get Hardaway Waiters Mudiay Wilson
Bucks get Whiteside Smith Dekker
Knicks get Hill
Heat get Henson Snell Delly Bucks 1st

Replace Lebron's Scoring, get rid Smith as a distraction

Sexton/Clarkson/Mudiay
Hardaway/Waiters/Nwaba
Hood/Korver/Osman
Love/Frye/Wilson
Thompson/Nance/Zizic

Add a scoring sg and shotblocker center to make them best team in EC central and become darkhorse to win the east.

Bledsoe/Brogdon/Morris
Smith/Brown/Divencenzo
Middleton/Ilyasova/Connaughton
Giannis/Maker/Dekker
Whiteside/Lopez/Zeller

Cut future payroll, get better chararacter guys. Become faster

Dragic/Johnson/Delly
Wade/Ellington/McCruder
Richardson/Snell/JonesJr
Johnson/Winslow/Haslem
Olynyk/Henson/Bambam

Dump Hill for 1.5 mil buyout after season.

Burke/Ntilikina/Hill
Trier/Lee/Baker
Knox/Dotson/Hezonja
Porzingis/Thomas/Vonleh
Robinson/Kanter/Noah

07 Oct 2018 13:15:08
Why would the Cavs give up guys that have little guaranteed money next year for 2 bad contracts and why would the Bucks give up a 1st for Whiteside?

07 Oct 2018 14:35:23
Hardaway and Waiters is better than Hill and Jr Smith. I don't think you want to deal with JR Smith on a below .500 team. With Lebron gone Cavs should look to add better talent especially younger scorers any which way they can. No big name free agents will go there now that Lebron is gone. Staying competitive to Love happy and keeping their is important or else why would cavs extend him.

You mean to tell me bucks get better talent better contracts in whiteside Smith over Henson Delly and Snell, you don't think that worth a 1st that will be worth having 50 + win team.

07 Oct 2018 14:49:43
I don't think the Bucks would accept that offer. Two (2) "head cases" And a "non-defender" for Henson, Dellevedova, Snell AND a 1st rd pick?, I say good luck to any one trading for Whiteside, or Smith. Like Henson, Dellevedova, and Snell ALL Overpaid! But with Very bad attitudes!

07 Oct 2018 14:53:31
They can buy Smith out, if they’re concerned with him being around. They could use the contracts to try to get picks. They’ll need money, if they want to keep Nance or Hood. They can use cap space to get picks. Just because you can’t attract big name free agents doesn’t mean that you throw money away on bad contracts. If Hardaway is so great, why do you want the Knicks to trade him for expirings?

As for the Bucks, they get more talent back, but Whiteside could actively make the Bucks worse. Miami wants rid of him and no one else has bit. Why would someone all of a sudden be willing to give up a pick for him?

07 Oct 2018 15:24:04
Henson snell delly are worse than talent than whiteside Smith. To give up late is worth it, to giannis they are trying get better. Whiteside next to Giannis will get motivated. Smith will good on quality bucks team.

Smith great for very good. Smith horrible for .500 or below team. Hardaway is not allstar player. But he is better than Jr Smith for .500 team. Cavs plenty have plenty of money for hood and Nance next yr. Neither are worth more 15 mil per season. Neither can be scorer Hardaway and Waiters are.

07 Oct 2018 15:24:34
They won't buyout smith until next yr.

07 Oct 2018 15:25:10
Nobody giving picks for Smith. Maybe Hill.

07 Oct 2018 15:30:59
Unlike the cavs with Lebron gone NY can attract big name free agents especially if they clear cap for 2 of them. Knicks will have cleared 55 mil in cap space.

07 Oct 2018 15:38:36
Shizzee NY hasn't signed a good free agent in decades.

07 Oct 2018 16:14:17
Cavs aren't going to spend their money on hardaway and waiters during the rebuild. Unless its using cap to get a pick.

07 Oct 2018 16:25:09
This actually one the better proposals you do for Knicks to clear. Cavs will have trouble signing a player like Hardaway or even waiters. if hood walks who will the cavs sign if they buy out Smith and hill next year who would they sign better then hardaway ava waiters. Unless they trade for a different overpaid player with Smith and hill to play with love who they got for the next 5 years. Even though hardaway not enormously over paid. Not the best but cavs and bucks get better and I think Miami only does if they can't get butler.

07 Oct 2018 16:36:27
So Cleveland is the only team in the league that can’t over pay midlevel players to attract them? If the Cavs are willing to throw a bad contract at a guy like Waiters or Hardaway, they can get those type of free agents. We, be seen small market teams get those kind of free agents every year.

08 Oct 2018 03:23:12
What player can the Cavs sign next year for 18 mil better then hardaway. I believe Hardaway better then Thompson and Thompson get 18 mil a year. Cavs aren't tryna get picks to rebuild they want to compete now or least compete for play offs with love. Just say hood walks who would the cavs sign better then hardaway. This coming from someone live 45 minutes from Cleveland. Cavs.

08 Oct 2018 11:29:10
Aminu, Morris, Ariza, Reddick, Mirotic, Beverly, Thad Young, T Evans, Dinwiddie, Randle, Teague, Valanciunas, Oubre, Winslow, Brogdon, Rozier, and Barnes.

08 Oct 2018 16:18:25
I'm only taking Barnes, Winslow or Beverly over hardaway but done those are restricted free agents.

04 Oct 2018 06:25:14
Bucks send Brogdon,Maker future 1st round pick

Receive Vucevic,Grant

Magic send Vucevic,Grant

Magic Receive Brogdon,Maker future 1st round pick

Magic can get two young prospects and a pick

Bucks can get Solid Center Next to Brook Lopez and young prospect

04 Oct 2018 06:37:14
Bucks can have NIkola Vucevic

Bucks send Snell Brogdon Maker future 1st

Magic send Grant Vucevic.

04 Oct 2018 13:28:25
Bucks already have a score first defensive deficient Center in Lopez, don’t see an interest in Vuc.

04 Oct 2018 13:41:40
Pretty awful for the bucks.

Also. When it’s a two team trade you don’t need to write what each team sends and then what they receive. It’s pretty obvious.

04 Oct 2018 14:30:53
I don’t see anyone giving up more than a protected first for Vucevic. He can play a role on a playoff team, but it’s not like he’s going to be a top 3 player on a good team. He’s more like your 5th best starter or 6th man. There’s certain teams that he’s going to have trouble even being on the court against.

04 Oct 2018 15:57:54
Thats a huge overpay for Vucevic.

04 Oct 2018 15:59:26
taking out the first would make it fairly even, though i think the Bucks would have to include one of Hensen/ Delly for money to work. But a Vuc and Grant for Brog, Maker, Delly trade could make sense for both teams.

05 Oct 2018 03:11:46
Vucevic and Kanter have the same problems of perimeter D and hitting a three consistently. Maker does both well, hard to trade the young fella just to dump dellavedova and lose Brogdon who I think is a good player. Imagine him instead of carter-williams in Houston?

03 Oct 2018 03:04:02
Milspo, let's try this

Bucks get Hardaway Noah
Knicks get Henson Randolph Koufos Shumpert (cavs) via bucks
Heat get Kanter Snell Delly
Kings get Whiteside Waiters Thomas

Kings can compete for 8th seed

Fox/Ferrell/Mason
Waiters/Hield/Baker
Bogdanovic/Jackson/McLemore
Bagley/Bjelica/Labissiere
Whiteside/Stein/Giles

Knicks clear all bad contracts

2019-2020
Irving/Ntilikina/Ponds-2nd
Butler/Lee/Mathews-2nd
Knox/Hezonja/Dotson
Robinson/Williamson-1st/Vonleh
Porzingis/Henson/Bitadze-pickup

Bucks add another scorer/shooter to spread offense.

Bledsoe/Brogdon/Morris
Hardaway/Brown/Divencenzo
Middleton/Wilson/Connaughton
Giannis/Ilyasova/Maker
Lopez/Noah/Zeller

Heat save future money. Get a center who gives more effort.

Dragic/Johnson/Delly
Wade/Ellis/McCruder
Richardson/Snell/JonesJr
Johnson/Winslow/Haslem
Kanter/Olynyk/Bambam

03 Oct 2018 10:01:02
This is bad for the Kings. They aren't going to give away all their expirings for Whiteside. They will need young players or picks to do it.

03 Oct 2018 15:30:59
Knicks 2020 1st. Worth it.

04 Oct 2018 08:16:36
Knicks 2019 unprotected and Knicks 2021 unprotected to bucks.

04 Oct 2018 12:21:09
II lmao cav fans.

05 Oct 2018 04:04:45
Nobody wants whiteside. Miami overpaid a lazy diva.

02 Oct 2018 17:16:45
MIL - MIN - NOP

Milwaukee: Butler, Hill, Dieng
Minnesota: Brogdon, Mirotic, Snell, Henson, NOP 2nd
New Orleans: Bledsoe

Milwaukee rejected to trade Middleton for Butler but they are open for Bledsoe and Brogdon. In this they will have take back some more money by trading Snell and Henson for Dieng and Hill.

Minnesota gets two proven starters. Teague, Brogdon, Wiggins, Mirotic, KAT should keep them in the playoffs.

Pelicans could even think a straight Bledsoe for Mirotic. Getting also Hill off the books makes it an even better idea.

02 Oct 2018 18:13:01
That would possibly work. I also read where the Wolves offered Butler to the Bucks for Middleton, And Milwaukee said no.

02 Oct 2018 19:47:17
Butler is going to end up a 1 year rental, Unless he get's the team HE wants to play for. All other teams would be just a rental, And nothing more. Butler turned down $130.00 Mil. for 4 years from Minnesota, and wanted at least $154.00 Mil. Like L. James received from the Lakers. At 30 years old, I think Butler should have re-signed with the Wolves. Who else can afford to get him? Or trade for him long term? What/ Who are you willing to get for him? Minnesota should do/ take what they can get for him, to better their team!

03 Oct 2018 00:16:52
Nets Knicks and clippers where his destinations he preferred but all have space to sign him. So do the Kings, Suns, bulls, Lakers and hawks that I know of to offer him max money also Orlando and maybe Dallas. So those are Team to afford him and prolly more 76ers.

03 Oct 2018 02:48:52
Wolves have the offers is my guess. If an offer threatens to pull out that they like, they will hurry to make up their mind. It's old school wait until the last possible second for more offers or new, sudden interest from someone. Kind of like fishing but not fun or interesting.

01 Oct 2018 18:26:06
Bucks get THJ, Noah, 2019 2nd (via Cleveland)
NYK get Snell, Henson, Dellavedova

Bucks upgrade with Bud player THJ over cheaper 7mil/y Snell. Noah will hate Milwaukee, so he will consider a reasonable buyout. The Bucks open two places and get a 2nd.

Bledsoe/Brogdon/Frazier
THJ/Brown/DDV
Middleton/Connaughton
Antetokounmpo/Ilyasova/Wilson
Lopez/Maker/Wood/Zeller

This doesn't affect NYK ability to sign a max player in 2019. Ntilkina, Dellavedova, Lee, Knox, Snell, Henson, Robinson will cost 55 mil, which means they will have 53 mil availabe for Porzignis, their 1st and a max.

This is a nice 10 man rotation without having to stretch Noah or lose a 1st. With Henson, Delly, Lee off the books in 2020, they will be able to take one more max player then.

01 Oct 2018 19:45:35
Knicks moving hardaway for expiring only not bucks crap. Noah will stretched in 2 weeks.

02 Oct 2018 00:02:36
I believe The Bucks would pass, As would the Knicks.

02 Oct 2018 01:35:14
Agreed on moving THJ for expiring, but it ain’t going to be easy, especially if they attempt to attach Noah.

02 Oct 2018 14:02:26
Nobody is going to take THJ or Noah for an expiring with NYK giving a 1st. I think this is ideal for the Knicks, because they can end up like this.

Ntilkina/ 2019 1st
Max player/ Snell
Knox/ 2020 1st
Porzignis
Max player/ Robinson

Having THJ and stretched Noah will kill their chances to sign one max player in 2020.

02 Oct 2018 16:02:25
Yeah, no one is taking Hardaway's contract for expiring deals. He's owed 54 million over the next 3 years (which turns into 62 million with his 15% trade kicker) . Taking guys with only two years left is the best case scenario for dumping Hardaway without giving up a major asset.

03 Oct 2018 03:00:16
If knox keeps it up and Robinson learns really fast THJ in the catch and shoot is a good scorer. He didn't get a lot of those opportunites last season and he was injured a bit. Knicks have nothing to lose by playing him this season and upping his value if possible. Otherwise, hardaway is going to cost a 1st to trade as of now. Trier looks pretty good too, I'd like to trade hardaway if I was the knicks.

01 Oct 2018 02:34:27
SAS send: Mills, Gasol, '19 1st (Tor)
Receive: Whiteside, Arthur (Waive), Jones
Talent upgrade at C, get a younger back up PG

Heat send: Whiteside, Richardson, Winslow, '20 2nd
Receive: Butler, Dieng
Get the star they have been searching for, Cut 3m in salary

Suns send: Arthur, Bucks 1st
Receive: Mills, '20 2nd
Get their starting PG

Twolves send: Butler, Dieng, Jones
Receive: Gasol, Richardson, Winslow, '19 1st, Bucks 1st
Upgrade at back up C, get some young wings to replace Butler, and get 2 1sts

01 Oct 2018 15:14:04
Suns are desperate but a 1st for patty mills is worse by far than a 1st teague.

01 Oct 2018 23:40:27
Minnesota is not going to trade Teague for Mil. first. Mills may not be worth Mil. first but for a team without a PG he might be worth it.

Also, Spurs don't get enough back. They need Whiteside and Winslow. Is Arthur still in the league? He is not even listed on Phoenix depth chart. Spurs don't want him. Jones is ok but he is not Winslow.

Huge haul for Minnesota. They don't have that much leverage. Heat won't do that deal.

Really only Minnesota wins this deal. Spurs marginal. Suns marginal. Heat bad.

02 Oct 2018 14:03:02
Warlock you are a spurs fan right? So are you being objective or a homer about mills being worth a 1st? He clearly isn't during any phase of the moon on any planet.

02 Oct 2018 20:06:22
Yes I am a Spurs fan. Mills is absolutely worth a late first if you need a PG. If you have two good PGs, then no he is not worth it. I have not missed a Spurs game in three years. Trust me. Spurs wouldn't trade Mills for less even though they have some good young guys who can take his place. Gasol, Mills, and Toronto's 2019 1st are the only assets the Spurs should consider trading and only for a quality Center, SF, or both. (ie Whiteside, Winslow) .

29 Sep 2018 15:13:13
MIL - MIN - PHO

Milwaukee get Butler, Dieng
Minnesota get Bledsoe, Snell, DDV, Chandler, Mil 1st (owed to Phoenix)
Phoenix get Teague, Henson

Milwaukee is giving up Bledsoe and DDV for Butler. They do take on Dieng, but they are ditching Snell and Henson for that.

Brogdon/Dellavedova/Frazier
Butler/Brown/Muhammad
Middleton/Connaughton/
Giannis/Ilyasova/Wilson
Lopez/Dieng/Maker/Zeller

This is lowball for Minny, but it seems that they aren't getting much anyway. They are getting salary relief, Bledsoe to make with Wiggins and KAT the playoffs, x-Thibs Snell, one future 1st and one present 1st in DDV.

Bledsoe/Rose/Jones
Snell/DDV/Okogie
Wiggins/Bates-Diop/Nunnaly
Gibson/Tolliver/Deng
Towns/Chandler/Patton

Phoenix getting Teague for Chandler and Mil's pick is something being discussed. In this they have to take Henson back. It's not that disturbing since there won't be any cap room next year with Teague and Anderson in the books and Henson is a nice backup for Ayton.

Teague/Okobo/Melton
Booker/Jackson/Daniels
Warren/Bridges
Ariza/Bender/Anderson/Arthur
Ayton/Henson/Holmes

29 Sep 2018 15:39:49
I don't think Phoenix will send Chandler and a 1st rd pick, only to get Teague and Henson in return. And yes, It is a lowball for Butler, Even if he might end up just a rental?

29 Sep 2018 18:00:09
You should know that trades are not always equal value. You have to consider the needs and position of each team. Phoenix are doing well trading Chandler and that 1st for Teague. Taking on Henson for that is like a pill they have to swallow because of their desperate need for a statring pg. As for Butler situation it doesn’t look good for Minny, I would be surprised if they cut a much better deal.

29 Sep 2018 18:33:47
I do understand trades are not always equal. but, I just don't see the Suns giving up a 1st and Chandler, only to get Teague and Henson, both are overpaid. So basically Phoenix gets rid of Chandler and a bad contract, plus a 1st pick to get 2 bad contracts back? Plus the Wolves would want more than Bledsoe, Snell, DDV and a 1st pick for Butler and Dieng, You would also need Zeller, or Muhammad, Or even Brogdan for them to consider.

27 Sep 2018 15:39:26
Bucks get - Butler (resigns)
Suns get - Teague
Wolves get - Bledsoe(exp) Snell Maker, Warren, and Bucks 2019 1st

Brogdon/Delly
Butler/Divencenzo
Middleton/Muhammad
Giannis/Ilyasova/Wilson
Lopez/Henson

Teague/Okobo
Booker/Daniels
Jackson/Bridges
Ariza/Anderson
Ayton/Chandler

Bledsoe/Rose
Snell/Okojie
Wiggins/Bates-Diop
Warren/Maker
Towns/Gibson

27 Sep 2018 17:07:56
id be curious to know what the reported high price phx was unwilling to pay was in these talks. i wouldn't give up warren and the bucks pick for teague.

27 Sep 2018 18:57:48
What are the Bucks giving up that has any value at all there? Maker? The best asset you give up can't be Maker to get Butler. Especially considering you're unloading a bad contract in that deal too.

28 Sep 2018 16:56:31
If the Bucks want to play in the Butler sweepstakes, they will have to give up Middleton.

28 Sep 2018 18:05:10
@ Warlock, Look for Milwaukee to re-sign Middleton. He's their 2nd best player. The Bucks really don't have a need for Butler. He would be a great addition, But not at the cost of losing Middleton.

 
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