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16 Oct 2018 01:12:05

MIA gets Butler, Ross, Vuc

ORL gets Whiteside and Tyus Jones

MIN gets Richardson, Johnson and 1st rd pick via MIA 2019 and Orl 2ND RD PICK 2019

Dragic/ Ty Johnson
Butler/ Wade/ Ross
Waiters/ Ellington
Olnyk/ Winslow
Vuc/ Bam

Johnson/ Gibson
Towns/ Dieng

Tyus Jones
Whiteside/ Mo Bamba.

16 Oct 2018 05:07:42
Magic don't need or wantoverpaid, lazy big.

14 Oct 2018 05:27:04
Kings get Hardaway Magic 2nd
Knicks get Simmons Shumpert Koufos
Magic get Mudiay Kornet


14 Oct 2018 13:59:08
Why does Orlando or Sacramento do this?

Orlando gives up a solid player in Simmons and a 2nd for almost nothing and Sac gives up expirings that could net them a first to get Hardaway?

13 Oct 2018 00:30:13
Knicks 4 moves

Magic get Mudiay Hezonja
Knicks get Ross

Pelicans get Lee
knicks get S.Hill

At deadline
Wolves get Knox Noah 2019 1st unprotected
knicks get Butler

Kings get Hardaway
Knicks get Shumpert Koufos


13 Oct 2018 16:26:55
Magic let Mario walk now they are trading for him?

12 Oct 2018 20:32:27
Knicks Offseason

NYK- Anthony Davis
NOP- Kevin Knox, Courtney Lee (exp), Frank Ntilikina, Lance Thomas (Exp), 2019 1st (most likely top 5 pick)

Sign Kevin Durant to MAX
Sign Rajon Rondo to 1 year $10 million

C- Anthony Davis
PF- Kristaps Porzingis
SF- Kevin Durant
SG- Tim Hardaway
PG- Rajon Rondo

Durant has expressed his desire to play in NY and I think Knox, Ntilikina and a top 5 pick, the Pelicans will be hard to find a better offer. These move put the Knicks as the team to beat in the East as long as Porzingis stays healthy.

12 Oct 2018 20:57:11
Unless Knox looks like a surefire future allstar that package isn’t going to do it for Davis. The Celtics, 76ers, Lakers and almost every other young team in the league will probably be going all in on him.

12 Oct 2018 21:41:48
The pelicans will absolutely hands down get significantly better offers. And that’s coming from a Knicks fan.

Just stop.

12 Oct 2018 23:46:35
I wish the knicks the best, they have had it rough for a while but why is Davis going there to get a championship? That's why he would leave the pelicans right?

13 Oct 2018 01:42:55
Notdrainer spreading that Christmas spirit again! I feel like I need a rolled up newspaper or something.

13 Oct 2018 02:35:52
Im sorry gentlemen i'm embarrassed as a Knicks fan of that offer.

Knox Noah 2020 1st for Butler
Hardaway for Shumpert koufos

Next yr maxed butler leonard and harris for 20 beverly mle than resign Porzingis

Ntilikina/ Beverly/ Baker
Butler/ Lee/ Trier
Leonard/ Little-1st/ Dotson
Harris/ Beasley/ Paschall-2nd
Porzingis/ Robinson/ Bitadze-2nd.

13 Oct 2018 16:39:19
I normally respond to AD trade rumors that AD is untouchable. But this offer is so lame i will just remember that some don't follow the "don't drink and create rumors" rule

I mean when fellow Knicks fans tell you that your proposal is lopsided and purely Homer, then what more can i say?

11 Oct 2018 21:38:39

MIA gets Lilard, Butler and Dieng

MIN gets Richardson and Whiteside

POR gets Dragic, Olnyk, and 1st rd pick via MIA 2019, AND 2021

Lilard/ Ty JohnsoM
Butler/ Wade
Waiters/ Ellington
Johnson/ Winslow
BAM/ Dieng


4th or 5th seed in the west no question

Turner/ Aminu

12 Oct 2018 01:05:00
Portland and Wolves declines that deal.

12 Oct 2018 03:50:26
Ur trades get worse.

12 Oct 2018 16:19:43
I definitely question if minny could get the 4 or 5 seed with that team (I don’t think they make the playoffs) .

Also, Portland gets absolutely screwed. I wouldn’t trade McCollum for that, let alone Lillard.

11 Oct 2018 20:14:28
Magic Trade Johnathan Simmons Terrance Ross 2019 first round pick (protected)1-15

Wolves Trade Jimmy Butler

Magic need to Wins now start making a Playoffs

Aaron Gordon is Untouchable

NIkola Vucevic Untouchable

Mo Bama Untouchable

Johnathan Issac Untouchable

Second Trade
Magic Trade Timfoey Mozgov 2019 second round pick unprotected to Knicks

Knicks Trade Joakim Noah 4.5 millions cash to Magic

Magic Buyout Joakim Noah Contract

11 Oct 2018 20:58:54
Bad move for Orlando. Chances are he walks. I’m not sure what the purpose of trading Mozgov for Noah is? You lose a 2nd and take on salary. Even with Butler, Orlando would struggle to make the playoffs.

11 Oct 2018 21:40:37
Did you really say that Vucevic is untouchable?

More like untradeable.

11 Oct 2018 22:04:36
Vucevic is definitely not untouchable or untradeable. I think he holds solid value, and Orlando would be smart to move him soon to carve out room for Bamba in the starting lineup.

That package might get Butler. I don't hate the move for Orlando if they were to do it. They've sat in the bottom 10 of the NBA for so long, they need to make a bold move.

12 Oct 2018 00:01:11
Kanter and vucevic are similar players. Vucevic is 4 million dollars overpaid and kanter is about 12 million overpaid. Both should and could be traded. 3 yrs 25 million with bonuses and play incentives is what I'd be looking to pay either one of those guys. Maybe vucevic could get 10. I think he's a little better than kanter, last I saw.

12 Oct 2018 15:51:31
Vucevic is worth his contract. He’s definetly better than Kanter. He can pass, he’s atleast a passable defender, and he’s has legit range out to the 3.

12 Oct 2018 16:21:57
Vuc is waaaaay better defensively than Kanter (who is the worst defender in the NBA) . I’d take Vuc over kanter all day long.

That said, neither one would make me happy as a starter. I think Vuc could be a 6th man of the year though.

11 Oct 2018 18:13:08
TWolves- Richardson, Olynyk, Cauley-Stein

Heat- Butler

Kings- Dieng, Protected 1st (via Miami)

12 Oct 2018 00:03:09
3 yrs of starter salary for the 10-12th man off the bench is worth a lottery projected pick.

11 Oct 2018 17:08:31
Knicks Future Moves


Timberwolves get Tim Hardaway Jr., Courtney Lee, Lance Thomas, and their 2020 1st Round Draft Pick

Knicks get Jimmy Butler

Play out the 2018-2019 season.

Waive Joakim Noah

Free Agency

Sign Kevin Durant to a Max Contract

Sign Kyrie Irving to a Max Contract

Resign Jimmy Butler to a Max Contract

Resign Kristaps Porzingis to a Max Contract

Sign Jamal Crawford to a veteran's minimum contract

Sign Zach Randolph to a veteran's minimum contract

Sign Al Jefferson to a veteran's minimum contract

Sign Joe Johnson to a veteran's minimum contract

2019-2020 Roster

Starting Lineup

PG Irving
SG Butler
SF Durant
PF Knox
C Porzingis


PG Ntilikina
PG Burke
PG Mudiay
SG Crawford
SF Johnson
PF Randolph
PF Jefferson
C Robinson

11 Oct 2018 17:48:42
Welllllll, seeing as a max contract ranges from I believe 25%_35% of the cap, 4 max contracts would bring that to about 110% of the cap. Sounds like a good starting point lol.

11 Oct 2018 17:53:38
4 max contracts? WOW. You can take Irving out of the mix. Probably Durant, too. Down to two, IF they can acquire Butler. maybe maybe not. Now your down to one Max. Which is more likely unless Porzingis doesn't want to be in NY anymore.

11 Oct 2018 23:54:38
In this situation it's doable. After all trades and season Knicks well have about 64 mill in cap so it can work Butler bird rights will only take up 22 mil and they can give Irving and Durant 32 each or at least 30 each. Go over cap to resign Butler and prozingis.

12 Oct 2018 10:25:43
Ya just max everybody don’t have a bench hire Thibodeau when he's fired. really well thought out I like it.

10 Oct 2018 02:40:54
Last try to trade Noah

Bucks get Lee Noah
Magic get Delly NY 2019 2nd
Sixers get Henson Snell
Knicks get Ross Chandler Bayless-cut

Hardaway Kanters Thomas Trier
Randolph Shumpert Koufos McLemore-cut


10 Oct 2018 04:09:13
I believe the Bucks would pass. No one wants Noah! Milwaukee has enough bad contracts without trying to get rid of 3 of them to bring another one back. Milwaukee looks like its going to stand pat.

10 Oct 2018 05:33:01
I read the knicks were holding out for an injury maybe before waiving Noah? I almost spit up my beer laughing. Who could get injured on any team in the nba that would entice them into wanting to deal for Noah and his 36 mil. Seriously?

10 Oct 2018 13:51:21
Knicks don't need to trade Noah right now. If they want to clear cap Lee and hardaway can get traded at deadline for a team in need if they produce right for expirting contracts. Suck the season out get quality pick. Trade Noah on draft night with 2020 pick attached for nothing then have 2019 pick, Knox, zing cap space and Robinson plus ntilikina.

10 Oct 2018 19:28:58
NY needs to just ride it out, and hope Porzingis is patient. They have actually started to draft some good building blocks, and need to keep that going. I can't imagine Lee wouldn't be a really good chip at the deadline, but I wouldn't turn my nose up at them moving him now. His shooting percentages and his defensive ability would make him a very valuable asset for any contending team. If they're also able to get back ANYTHING for that THJ contract, I'd take it. I hate to say it, but they need to just trust the process. Giving up on it too quickly and making a dumb move as soon as they have a glimmer of hope is what got them to this point in the first place.

08 Oct 2018 10:28:55

PHX receive: Noah, Lee, Ntilikina, Robinson

Solve PG problem, prospects with the same timeline as their core

NYK receives: Chandler, Warren, Bender, 2018 second rd pick

Gets rid of the distraction in Noah. Additional $15m+ in cap space next season, gain prospects. Bender can learn post moves from Kanter. Kanter can learn Defense from Chandler. Warren-THJ-Knox-Hezonja wing rotation looks promising.

08 Oct 2018 12:56:19
Pg problem needs a proven player not Frank.

08 Oct 2018 13:16:37
Knicks would never give up frank and Robinson to dump noah salary only to take on Warren. Frank is 2 yrs away from being the best on ball defender on any guard, hopefully passing and vision come thru as well. Potentially the next "Glove". Robinson is even better than Frank.

08 Oct 2018 14:24:01
Suns would never trade for a non-starting caliber PG.

08 Oct 2018 14:34:52
Well now, as a knicks fan, I can say, shizzee. you're evaluations of the prospects is absurd.

Frank is 2 years away from being the best defending guard in the league? Seeing as Murray, Olidapo and Holiday are all 3 all defensive players and guards and young. ill strongly disagree with that. Potentially the next glove? Just stop it. he's still fighting to be a fringe starter, let alone a potential hall of famer.

Then to say robinson is even better. he hasn't played a minute in the NBA. You are already anointing him as this insane prospect. you sound almost as ridiculous as II claiming that josh hart has kobe bryant potential.

08 Oct 2018 16:21:27
Shizzee, I’m also a Knicks fan, and you’re making us look bad here.

Robinson has looked completely lost so far this preseason, and while he has contributor potential, he’ll likely spend at least the first portion, of not the majority of the season in the G.

As for Frank, his ceiling is Shaun Livingston with a better jump shot and closer to his pre-injury athleticism. At gis ceiling, he’ll be a valuable sixth man, guarding multiple positions effectively, being a quality secondary ball handler, and making just enough open threes to keep teams honest.

08 Oct 2018 18:32:28
triangle. i posted it first, meaning you copied me. deal with it ;)

07 Oct 2018 16:54:32
The Knicks get Dieng and Butler

The Timberwolves get Lee, Hardaway, Ntilikina, and the Knicks 19 1st

07 Oct 2018 17:19:55
I like the trade. Nkilitina isn't going to have much value to the wolves with Teague, rose. Jones already there. Trade Jones to phoenix?

08 Oct 2018 14:45:32
I think you try to trade Teague, but with Thibs fighting for his job and running the front office, I’m not sure he’s willing to buy into developing young players rather than playing win now type guys.

07 Oct 2018 12:43:52
Cavs get Hardaway Waiters Mudiay Wilson
Bucks get Whiteside Smith Dekker
Knicks get Hill
Heat get Henson Snell Delly Bucks 1st

Replace Lebron's Scoring, get rid Smith as a distraction


Add a scoring sg and shotblocker center to make them best team in EC central and become darkhorse to win the east.


Cut future payroll, get better chararacter guys. Become faster


Dump Hill for 1.5 mil buyout after season.


07 Oct 2018 13:15:08
Why would the Cavs give up guys that have little guaranteed money next year for 2 bad contracts and why would the Bucks give up a 1st for Whiteside?

07 Oct 2018 14:35:23
Hardaway and Waiters is better than Hill and Jr Smith. I don't think you want to deal with JR Smith on a below .500 team. With Lebron gone Cavs should look to add better talent especially younger scorers any which way they can. No big name free agents will go there now that Lebron is gone. Staying competitive to Love happy and keeping their is important or else why would cavs extend him.

You mean to tell me bucks get better talent better contracts in whiteside Smith over Henson Delly and Snell, you don't think that worth a 1st that will be worth having 50 + win team.

07 Oct 2018 14:49:43
I don't think the Bucks would accept that offer. Two (2) "head cases" And a "non-defender" for Henson, Dellevedova, Snell AND a 1st rd pick?, I say good luck to any one trading for Whiteside, or Smith. Like Henson, Dellevedova, and Snell ALL Overpaid! But with Very bad attitudes!

07 Oct 2018 14:53:31
They can buy Smith out, if they’re concerned with him being around. They could use the contracts to try to get picks. They’ll need money, if they want to keep Nance or Hood. They can use cap space to get picks. Just because you can’t attract big name free agents doesn’t mean that you throw money away on bad contracts. If Hardaway is so great, why do you want the Knicks to trade him for expirings?

As for the Bucks, they get more talent back, but Whiteside could actively make the Bucks worse. Miami wants rid of him and no one else has bit. Why would someone all of a sudden be willing to give up a pick for him?

07 Oct 2018 15:24:04
Henson snell delly are worse than talent than whiteside Smith. To give up late is worth it, to giannis they are trying get better. Whiteside next to Giannis will get motivated. Smith will good on quality bucks team.

Smith great for very good. Smith horrible for .500 or below team. Hardaway is not allstar player. But he is better than Jr Smith for .500 team. Cavs plenty have plenty of money for hood and Nance next yr. Neither are worth more 15 mil per season. Neither can be scorer Hardaway and Waiters are.

07 Oct 2018 15:24:34
They won't buyout smith until next yr.

07 Oct 2018 15:25:10
Nobody giving picks for Smith. Maybe Hill.

07 Oct 2018 15:30:59
Unlike the cavs with Lebron gone NY can attract big name free agents especially if they clear cap for 2 of them. Knicks will have cleared 55 mil in cap space.

07 Oct 2018 15:38:36
Shizzee NY hasn't signed a good free agent in decades.

07 Oct 2018 16:14:17
Cavs aren't going to spend their money on hardaway and waiters during the rebuild. Unless its using cap to get a pick.

07 Oct 2018 16:25:09
This actually one the better proposals you do for Knicks to clear. Cavs will have trouble signing a player like Hardaway or even waiters. if hood walks who will the cavs sign if they buy out Smith and hill next year who would they sign better then hardaway ava waiters. Unless they trade for a different overpaid player with Smith and hill to play with love who they got for the next 5 years. Even though hardaway not enormously over paid. Not the best but cavs and bucks get better and I think Miami only does if they can't get butler.

07 Oct 2018 16:36:27
So Cleveland is the only team in the league that can’t over pay midlevel players to attract them? If the Cavs are willing to throw a bad contract at a guy like Waiters or Hardaway, they can get those type of free agents. We, be seen small market teams get those kind of free agents every year.

08 Oct 2018 03:23:12
What player can the Cavs sign next year for 18 mil better then hardaway. I believe Hardaway better then Thompson and Thompson get 18 mil a year. Cavs aren't tryna get picks to rebuild they want to compete now or least compete for play offs with love. Just say hood walks who would the cavs sign better then hardaway. This coming from someone live 45 minutes from Cleveland. Cavs.

08 Oct 2018 11:29:10
Aminu, Morris, Ariza, Reddick, Mirotic, Beverly, Thad Young, T Evans, Dinwiddie, Randle, Teague, Valanciunas, Oubre, Winslow, Brogdon, Rozier, and Barnes.

08 Oct 2018 16:18:25
I'm only taking Barnes, Winslow or Beverly over hardaway but done those are restricted free agents.

05 Oct 2018 23:30:17
Raptors get Hardaway Lee Spalding
Mavs get N.Powell Miles
Knicks get Mathews Green

Raptors get better at SG.


Mavs get needed depth on wings


Knicks cut future salary.


06 Oct 2018 17:10:48
i think this make the raptors worse.

05 Oct 2018 02:09:31

MIA get Jimmy Butler & Gorgui Dieng

Pg Dragic/Johnson
Sg Butler/Wade
Sf Winslow/Ellington
Pf Johnson/Olynyk
Ce Adebayo/Dieng

ATL get Hassan Whiteside & 1st round pick MIA

Pg Young/Lin
Sg Bembry/Huerter/Anderson
Sf Prince/Carter
Pf Collins/Plumlee
Ce Whiteside/Len

MIN get Kent Bazemore, Josh Richardson, Dewayne Dedmon (exp) & 2nd round pick MIA & ATL

Pg Teague/Rose/Jones
Sg Bazemore/Richardson
Sf Wiggins/Deng/Okogie
Pf Gibson/Tolliver
Ce Towns/Dedmon/Patton

05 Oct 2018 16:04:14
It's a creative trade, wolves still probably want a 1st. I think the suns would be more likely involved than the hawks if there is a third team. Kings as well. Kings will probably get something with their cap by the deadline.

05 Oct 2018 20:30:59
Wolves and hawks say no.

03 Oct 2018 03:04:02
Milspo, let's try this

Bucks get Hardaway Noah
Knicks get Henson Randolph Koufos Shumpert (cavs) via bucks
Heat get Kanter Snell Delly
Kings get Whiteside Waiters Thomas

Kings can compete for 8th seed


Knicks clear all bad contracts


Bucks add another scorer/shooter to spread offense.


Heat save future money. Get a center who gives more effort.


03 Oct 2018 10:01:02
This is bad for the Kings. They aren't going to give away all their expirings for Whiteside. They will need young players or picks to do it.

03 Oct 2018 15:30:59
Knicks 2020 1st. Worth it.

04 Oct 2018 08:16:36
Knicks 2019 unprotected and Knicks 2021 unprotected to bucks.

04 Oct 2018 12:21:09
II lmao cav fans.

05 Oct 2018 04:04:45
Nobody wants whiteside. Miami overpaid a lazy diva.

03 Oct 2018 02:48:57
I think that Butler's value now is so low. It's hard to trade for a guy who is so demanding and didn't even get along with young stars. His real value now is a vet, a pick (mid to late 1st) & one young prospect i think.

With his preferred teams the most likely offer, not saying that those teams can't offer more are

LAC: Robinson, Gallinari, Thornwell & 1st

MIA: Winslow, Olynyk & 1st (protected)

NYK: Lee, Ntilikina & protected 1st

BKN: Crabbe, LeVert & 1st round pick

i don't know how will MIN do with him right now. This is just my opinion.

03 Oct 2018 16:49:35
Clippers trade a no and others are reasonable. I believe the wolves wouldn't sign no other players next year, so those players would help out then to lose for nothing.

03 Oct 2018 18:32:28
The only reason that the Clippers/ Gallinari idea would work is because the TWolves will not have cap flexibility for awhile anyways. Gallinari they would get for this year and next year. other teams offer that as well, but with the clippers trade they get a starting 4, 2 young shooting guards and a 1st. however, the first won't be until like 2023.

04 Oct 2018 02:52:50
Wolves are paying towns big money and Wiggins money they can't afford gal.

01 Oct 2018 18:26:06
Bucks get THJ, Noah, 2019 2nd (via Cleveland)
NYK get Snell, Henson, Dellavedova

Bucks upgrade with Bud player THJ over cheaper 7mil/y Snell. Noah will hate Milwaukee, so he will consider a reasonable buyout. The Bucks open two places and get a 2nd.


This doesn't affect NYK ability to sign a max player in 2019. Ntilkina, Dellavedova, Lee, Knox, Snell, Henson, Robinson will cost 55 mil, which means they will have 53 mil availabe for Porzignis, their 1st and a max.

This is a nice 10 man rotation without having to stretch Noah or lose a 1st. With Henson, Delly, Lee off the books in 2020, they will be able to take one more max player then.

01 Oct 2018 19:45:35
Knicks moving hardaway for expiring only not bucks crap. Noah will stretched in 2 weeks.

02 Oct 2018 00:02:36
I believe The Bucks would pass, As would the Knicks.

02 Oct 2018 01:35:14
Agreed on moving THJ for expiring, but it ain’t going to be easy, especially if they attempt to attach Noah.

02 Oct 2018 14:02:26
Nobody is going to take THJ or Noah for an expiring with NYK giving a 1st. I think this is ideal for the Knicks, because they can end up like this.

Ntilkina/ 2019 1st
Max player/ Snell
Knox/ 2020 1st
Max player/ Robinson

Having THJ and stretched Noah will kill their chances to sign one max player in 2020.

02 Oct 2018 16:02:25
Yeah, no one is taking Hardaway's contract for expiring deals. He's owed 54 million over the next 3 years (which turns into 62 million with his 15% trade kicker) . Taking guys with only two years left is the best case scenario for dumping Hardaway without giving up a major asset.

03 Oct 2018 03:00:16
If knox keeps it up and Robinson learns really fast THJ in the catch and shoot is a good scorer. He didn't get a lot of those opportunites last season and he was injured a bit. Knicks have nothing to lose by playing him this season and upping his value if possible. Otherwise, hardaway is going to cost a 1st to trade as of now. Trier looks pretty good too, I'd like to trade hardaway if I was the knicks.

28 Sep 2018 17:43:40
Suns get Teague
Wolves get Kanter Hardaway Mudiay Baker Suns and Knicks 1st
Knicks get Butler Dieng Anderson

Wolves Roster 45 win

Knicks Roster in January 45 win

Suns Roster 37 win

28 Sep 2018 18:44:23
Good move for the suns.

28 Sep 2018 18:50:46
suns get ryan andersen just turn around and give up their 1st to dump him? i don't like it.

28 Sep 2018 20:17:19
If it's a lottery pick forget it. Otherwise its not too bad considering knight and chriss is where this started.

28 Sep 2018 20:25:16
I agree with you donadamsky. Teague is not that good. They can get a better deal for a PG.

27 Sep 2018 00:53:33
Heat get: Butler, Teague, and Dieng

Wolves get: Dragic, Olynyk, and Richardson.

27 Sep 2018 00:44:46
Since these 3 teams are talking, might as well put post an unlikely scenario that works in the trade machine. Probably too many pieces moving around, but it still works, though a draft pick might need to be added to the Wolves haul in this particular one, likely a 2nd rounder from the Suns (which would be in the 30's if it were a 2019 pick).

Wolves get: Olynyk, Richardson, Warren, and Bender (and perhaps that 2019 2nd rounder from Phoenix and/or Elie Okobo)

Heat get: Butler, Dieng, and Troy Daniels

Suns get: Teague, and James Johnson

27 Sep 2018 02:22:20
Wolves only trade Teague if they receive a PG in a butler trade that they want to keep over teague. Who's running the point in Minnesota? Jones?

27 Sep 2018 04:50:39
Yeah Jones and Rose, assuming that they will concede competing this season. Otherwise this trade is unlikely, but not too far off.

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