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25 Jun 2017 08:23:33
LeBron James trade the Cleveland Cavaliers should consider before losing him for nothing:

Cleveland Cavaliers - Orlando Magic

Cleveland trades: LeBron James

Orlando trades: Evan Fournier, Aaron Gordon, Nikola Vucevic, Mario Hezonja and Jonathan Isaac.

Cleveland line-up
PG: Kyrie Irving / Iman Shumpert / Kay Felder
SG: Evan Fournier / J. R. Smith / Mario Hezonja
SF: Aaron Gordon / Jonathan Isaac
PF: Kevin Love
C: Tristan Thompson / Nikola Vucevic.

25 Jun 2017 09:34:34
In Orlando, LeBron can reunite with hks super buddies in Chris Paul, Dwyane Wade and Carmelo Anthony since they have cap flexibility.

25 Jun 2017 10:31:45
LBJ won't leave. He would lose 80% of his legacy. First looking for rings in miami, then for $$ in LA.
Only KD will profit, because people will hate LBJ more in this scenario.

Also people will see MJ as goat then.

25 Jun 2017 15:10:36
MJ will always be the GOAT. LeBron can't win a title by himself as the only star. MJ did. 6 times. MJ only had complementary players around him. LeBron needs more stars around him.

25 Jun 2017 15:37:34
Pippen wasn't a star? He's a HOF. Rodman wasn't a star? 12,000 rebounds I guess doesn't count for much.

MJ will still always be better than LBJ, but to suggest that he did all by himself is wrong.

25 Jun 2017 16:30:30
Doesn't LeBron have a no trade clause?

25 Jun 2017 16:41:42
James legacy took a step backwards IMO. He may be the best now but in the end he won't be. #'s may show he is but his legacy will not.

When news broke that he was going back to Cleveland my 1st thought was Gilbert's an idiot, because he'll leave again. Dan needs to trade him and get a whole new start. This will be twice now that James has shafted Cleveland, well really once, for all those who believe that he isn't about to do it again. But it will be twice for those who know he will.

Gilbert got 1 championship, so take it and be proud of it, because it cost you 100+ million. And trade him for the best deal that's best for the Cav's, not for what's best for James. If it's to the Suns, Brooklyn, Utah. Whatever is best for your team as far as a return. LBJ lied to you AGAIN. If you let him opt out and leave then shame on you Dan.

25 Jun 2017 16:50:32
OldskoolMagic, in Lebron's defense, he has played against much better teams in the finals than Jordan had to so he needs other stars around him. Also, to say Scottie Pippen isn't a star is just wrong. He is a top 30 player all time.

25 Jun 2017 17:45:07
Pippen and Rodman both would not be the man on a team without Jordan. They were both great complementary players. Love and Irving both can be the man on a team without LeBron.

25 Jun 2017 20:07:18
OldskoolMagic except Pippen was the man on a team without Jordan. don't you remember the 1993-94 Bulls? After Jordan "retired" Pippen still led Bulls to a 55 win season, finished 3rd in MVP voting, won all-star game MVP, and leading vote getter for All-NBA first team and All-Defensive first team. Jordan is GOAT but you got it twisted if you think he won all by himself, Pippen is an all-time great.

25 Jun 2017 20:09:55
Oldskoolmagic, Pippen took the Bulls to a 50 win season the first time Jordan retired and there were other borderline allstars who were on those Bulls teams (Armstrong, Cartwright, Rodman, etc. ) . Then he had some of those best shooters in his era with guys like Kukoc, Paxton, and Kerr. He had one of the best coaches of all time in Jackson and a weaker all around league. Who was the 2nd best team during the Bull's dynasty? The Rockets with one star player player? The Jazz who couldn't get a title even when Jordan was out of the way? He's the best basketball player of all time, but people act like Jordan was some infallible player who carried the Bulls all by himself and it's far from the truth. Before Pippen he couldn't even get out of the 1st round.

25 Jun 2017 07:12:00
Chicago Bulls Offseason

Trade Robin Lopez,Jerian Grant and 2019 1st rnd pick to Orlando Magic for Nikola Vucecic and Terrance Ross

Sign
Rudy Gay 3 yr 40 mill
Jeff Teague 4 yr 60 mill
Roy Hibbert 2 yr 4 mill


Buy out Rajon Rondo and Let Nikola Mirotic and Michael carter williams walk


2017/18 lineup

Jeff Teague/Kris Dunn
Dwayne Wade/Zach Lavine
Rudy Gay/Terrance Ross
Lauri Markennan/Bobby Portis
Nikola Vucevic/Roy Hibbert

25 Jun 2017 07:35:58
that lineup looks disastrous.

25 Jun 2017 14:32:21
Pretty good for Orlando they get a back up pg, expiring contract and a 1st rounder in a draft that will have Shaq son, Manute Bol son, Giannis Brother, Bagley and of course Zion Williamson

Bad deal for Bulls as they shouldn't be giving up picks especially in what looks like a solid draft class in 2019. They already got robbed I still can't understand why they traded their pick imagine Patton and Markkanen that's two guys who complement each other and both can hit 3's that would have been a great start to a build then if they got their next star in Michael Porter the 6'10 sf next year that's a deadly team with range and size.

22 Jun 2017 19:47:56
Cleveland Cavaliers - Orlando Magic

Cleveland Cavaliers trade: Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love

Orlando Magic trade: Evan Fournier, Nikola Vucevic, Elfrid Payton, Aaron Gordon, 6th, 33rd and 35th picks in this years draft.

Cavs line-up:
PG: Elfrid Payton / FA / Kay Felder
SG: Evan Fournier / J. R. Smith / Iman Shumpert
SF: LeBron James / Aaron Gordon / Richard Jefferson
PF: Tristan Thompson / Derrick Williams
C: Nikola Vucevic / Zach Collins (6th pick)

21 Jun 2017 16:26:40
Nuggets-Magic-Thunder

Nuggets get #6 pick, Enes Kanter, and Doug McDermott
-Draft Jonathan Isaac to be Jokic's front court parter

Magic get #13 pick, #21 pick, Emmanuel Mudiay, and Malik Beasley
-Just another Orlando move

Thunder get Wilson Chandler, Darell Arthur, Mario Hezonja, and #35 pick
-Pick up better fits for their roster.

21 Jun 2017 18:45:04
Nuggets get screwed on that trade. they give up a ton to get Kanter that they don't want, Doug is OK but way way too much. Magic give up next to nothing. Doesn't work.

20 Jun 2017 01:51:09
Celtics Trade: #3, 2018 BOS 1st, 2018 Brooklyn 1st, 2019 Memphis 1st, Crowder, Mickey

Receive: Butler, Vucevic, 2018 Orlando 1st

Chicago Trade: Butler and Mirotic

Receive: #5, 2018 BOS 1st, 2019 Memphis 1st, Mickey, & Hezonja

Sacramento Trade: #5 & #10

Receive: #3 and Mirotic

Orlando Trade: Vucevic, Hezonja, 2018 ORL 1st

Receive: #10, Crowder, & 2018 Brooklyn 1st

20 Jun 2017 02:11:50
Not enough value for the Kings or Bulls in my opinion. Orlando should just keep their first and the Brooklyn 1st should be going elsewhere.

20 Jun 2017 02:40:00
most delusion trade I've seen.

19 Jun 2017 19:03:28
1st trade:
Pacers trade George to Lakers for #2, #28, 2019 1st and Clarkson

2nd trade:
Pacers trade #2 to Suns for #4 and #32 and 2018 Heat 1st (Suns want Ball)

3rd Trade:
Trade Young to Atlanta for #19 and #31 (Need to replace Millsap)

4th Trade: Trade #19, #28, #31, #32, #47 to Orlando for #6 (Orlando is rebuilding and needs picks)

Draft Fox at #4, Isaac at #6, Ferguson at #18
Resign Miles and let Teague walk.

Lineup:
Fox/Stephenson/Young
Clarkson/Ferguson/Ellis
Robinson III/Miles/Niang
Allen/Isaac
Turner/Seraphin/Jefferson

Thoughts?

19 Jun 2017 21:42:28
I doubt Lakers give up that much for George. I don't think they'll ever include #2 pick but if they did that's all they'd need since I don't see any team outbidding that for a 1 year rental (they could probably add Deng or Mozgov and still get away with it) .

The second trade is alright although if I were the Suns I'd be fine at #4 where I'm guaranteed to get Ball, Jackson or Fox all who could fit well in that team (move Bledsoe for another draft pick in this draft or young asset) .

3rd trade is a little rich for Young since Hawks wouldn't be that good if they lost Millsap and could get a more reasonable replacement with #19 pick that would build them toward the future around Schroeder and THJ.


The Fourth trade I don't think those picks move you all the way up to #6 especially in this deep draft and from a team like Magic who is already young but needs a young player with superstar potential which is much easier found at #6. They already have a bunch of alright young player and adding 5 players to any roster is tough; 2 or 3 of those would have to be stashed overseas which really limits your selection.

18 Jun 2017 19:01:54
Sacramento: 3rd and Hezonja

Boston: Vucevic and 5th

Orlando: 10th and Crowder

Sacramento gets Fox

Boston takes Isaac

Orlando gets Tatum at 6 and Monk at 10

18 Jun 2017 22:43:13
I can agree with 90% of this trade. Only thing I can't is Crowder being involved. They'll need Crowder, and picks to flip to the Bulls for Butler. George said again this weekend he wants a Southern CA destination, Boston is out of the picture.

Boston is still going to throw 5, that's right, 5 1st rd. picks and some seconds, Zeller and maybe even Crowder in this scenario, for AD. They have to at least throw it on the wall.

C's already executed plan A, I'm sure they have a plan BCDEFGHIJ etc.

18 Jun 2017 23:35:57
I guess Celtics and Suns are potential threats to steal Fox from Kings who are reportedly high on him but I don't like the value. #5 and #10 both have significant drop-offs in talent after them so I think they hold a lot of value and guarantee Kings Ball, Fox or Tatum at #5 and Smith, Markkanen, Ntilikina or Z. Collins at #10.

Great value for Celtics and Magic tho except I doubt Monk makes it to #10.

18 Jun 2017 16:21:44
Suns Get: 2nd pick, Luol Deng

Lakers Get: 4th pick, 2018 Miami 1st, 2018 Raptors 2nd


Magic "is in love" with Fultz but the Lakers don't stand a chance to get him now, so moving down and are guaranteed to still get one of Ball, Jackson and Fox. Phoenix take on Deng's preposterous contract but get to get whoever they feel the 2nd best player in the draft is.

18 Jun 2017 18:03:37
Some minor reworking to your deal.

Suns Get: 2nd pick, Luol Deng, Lakers #28 pick 2017

Lakers Get: 4th pick, 2018 Miami 1st, Suns #32 in 2017, Brandon Knight

Suns take Deng's nasty contract. get some of it relieved by the Lakers taking the remainder of Knight's deal. (about $5m per year to the good for LA)

18 Jun 2017 23:56:26
Although Deng's contract doesn't hurt Suns cap space is still valuable and they are still giving up a Miami pick where there is no telling what team they'll be (Team they started as which was one of worst in league or one they ended as which record wise was one of best in the league for that stretch) .

I like Phxfan's trade more from a value perspective although Lakers entire motivation of doing this trade is that they don't need Josh Jackson at #2 with George saying he wants to come aboard next year and may still be able to get Ball at #4 while clearing cap space to get George and some help for him next offseason. Only clearing 5 mill per year and moving back a few spots to 2nd round (although contract isn't guaranteed which is a plus) makes it a lot less appealing.

19 Jun 2017 00:28:05
If Lakers are trying to clear cap space for 2018 free agents, taking on Knight's contract doesn't make sense.

Just #2 and Deng for #4?

16 Jun 2017 08:00:05
Magic - Pistons

Magic gets:
Drummond
12th

Pistons gets:
Biyombo
Hezonja
6th pick
25th pick
33rd pick

16 Jun 2017 09:27:52
I think the Magic are getting too much back. Pistons should probably keep the #12 or they should dump Jackson's contract to the Magic.

16 Jun 2017 09:44:19
it's equal value

But Orlando should only do this, if they can sign some good shooters, otherwise the combo Payton-Drummond could be terrible. They can resign J Green, but I don't see a good shootingguard on the market that could join Orlando
And i'm not sure Vucevic can play PF.

I like the trade for Detroit, They should rebuilt and the sixth pick in this year's draft is equal to a 3rd pick in a normal draft (Isaac, Tatum, fox or Smith would be available) .

16 Jun 2017 03:48:50
Pacers Offseason:

Draft Night Trades-
1.) Thad Young to Orlando for 25th pick
2.) Ellis to Sacramento for 34th pick
3.) Trade Jefferson, 34 and 47 to Brooklyn for 2018 2nd rounder.

Draft Kennard at 18, Jordan Bell at 25

Bring in Hayward (max) and Holiday (4y 80m) to try and sign on the idea of a big three that would dominate in the east. Resign Teague (3y 54m) if Holiday takes more money elsewhere. If Randolph (a return to his hometown and would be a great leader) will accept the mid level exception, then sign him if he will take a pay cut to win.

Lineup
Holiday/Stephenson
George/Kennard
Hayward/Robinson III
(Randolph)/Bell/Allen
Turner/Seraphin

16 Jun 2017 05:05:55
Please quit posting the same stuff over and over.

16 Jun 2017 05:52:58
Brooklyn needs draft pick not get rid of them.

So what if he posts over and over again. Why post something different and then have the sharks here something to feast on.

16 Jun 2017 07:18:44
I'm not certain any of those teams would do those trades. Magic should be rebuilding and giving Gordon minutes at pf not bringing in veteran competition and moving draft picks (I hope they learned from Ibaka fiasco) . Ellis hasn't looked that great recently so not sure why a young Kings team would bring a player like him in while giving up a high 2nd rounder in a deep draft. The nets deal isn't that bad but they could probably get firsts for taking on bigger and longer bad contracts.

I think Pacers have an uphill battle to sign Hayward but if they did that would be great since it could best case help keep George around and worst case he could be George's replacement when he leaves. Holiday is an improvement over Teague on defensive end but he carries the injury concerns. Randolph would be a solid pickup and I don't think he'd be that costly.

15 Jun 2017 22:26:25
Knicks Receive: DJ Augustin, Mo Harkless, 26th pick

Trail Blazers Receive: Carmelo Anthony, 58th pick

Magic Receive: Allen Crabbe


New York get a pair of quality role players that could end up starting for them along with a late 1st round pick which they could use to potentially draft Bam Adebayo or Tony Bradley. Portland get a third big name player to pair with Lillard and McCollum. Orlando should be willing to take on Crabbe's bloated contract because his shooting would be a welcome addition to a team that finished 29th in three point perentage last year.

16 Jun 2017 04:24:33
what in the world?

15 Jun 2017 20:37:49
Suns - Magic- Pistons

Suns trade: Bledsoe, Pick 32, Pick 54
Suns get: Hezonja, Pick 12, Pick 25

Get another lottery pick plus move up 7 spots in the middle of the draft. Get Hezonja for SG depth. If he still underperforms, they don't have to accept his team option after 2017-18 season

Magic trade: Hezonja, Pick 25, Pick 35
Magic get: Jackson, Pick 32

Get Jackson, who they wanted at trade deadline. They will look to trade 1 or 2 of Watson/Augustin/Payton, so they will get a little more out of this as well, plus moving up a few spots in the early 2nd

Pistons trade: Jackson, Pick 12
Pistons get: Bledsoe, pick 35, Pick 54

upgrade at point, still get a couple picks

15 Jun 2017 20:48:32
ORL says no.

15 Jun 2017 21:24:18
PHX would say this is doable.

15 Jun 2017 14:56:47
Pacers:

Draft Luke Kennard at 18
Trade Ellis, Jefferson and #47 to Orlando for #25 (creates cap space).
Draft Jordan Bell at 25

Sign Rudy Gay 2y24m (only chance at getting pretty good free agent because indy is a small market)

Resign Teague 3y54m and Miles 2y24m and pick up Allen's team option

Teague/Stephenson/Young
Gay/Kennard/Robinson III
George/Miles/Robinson III
Young/Allen/Bell
Turner/Seraphin/Bell

A pretty good team that could make it out of the first round as a 4th or 5th seed.

15 Jun 2017 15:21:37
If they can only get out of the first round, what's the point? I'd blow it up, they're never going to beat the cavs.. need to begin to rebuild for when Lebron retires.

15 Jun 2017 18:25:27
No way Kennard lasts until 18.

15 Jun 2017 02:31:36
Pacers Offseason:

Trade Thad Young and Ellis to Magic for #25 pick (they need some veteran leadership and pacers create cap space.)
Trade Jefferson and #47 pick to Brooklynn for 2018 or 2019 2nd round pick. (Pacers again create cap space.)

Draft Luke Kennard (#18), outstanding shooter and can stretch the floor. and Jordan Bell (#25), elite defender and rebounder (pacers were in bottom part of league in rebounding.)

Convince Hayward and Holiday to sign on idea of big three (PG, Hayward, Holiday) with young stud in Turner. Resign Glen Robinson III and Seraphin and pick of Allen's team option. Let Teague and Miles walk.

Hayward max contract. Holiday 4y80m.

Lineup:
Holiday/Stephenson
George/Kennard
Hayward/Robinson III/ Niang
Allen/Bell
Turner/Seraphin

Pacers have a chance of having to pay luxury tax but this would convince George to resign as they would be instant contenders and possibly best team in east.

15 Jun 2017 18:44:53
You might have to pick up both Holidays. They both have been talking a lot about wanting to play together this coming season.

14 Jun 2017 22:54:27
3 way 76ers-Magic-Mavs

76ers get: #6,#9 of 2017 First round

Magic: #3, #36,#50, Curry

Mavs: Payton, Hezonja #25,#33

I anything like this can work. But I'm not really happy with the return for the Magic and the Mavs. Open for improvements.

15 Jun 2017 04:45:05
It's bad for the Mavs as neither Payton or Mario have performed as expected. If there was a 2018 top 5 protected first in there from one of the other teams in this deal, it may make it closer.

14 Jun 2017 22:44:39
Phi-Sac

#3, Luwawu for #5, #10

Phi-Chi-Orl

Phi gets #6

Chicago gets Okafor

Orlando gets Justin anderson, #10, #16

Sixers draft Tatum, Monk
Sign Lowry, Amir Johnson

Lowry/McConnell
Monk/Henderson
Tatum/Covington
Simmons/Saric
Embiid/Johnson

15 Jun 2017 01:30:21
No way sixers get the #6 pick for okafor. Never going to happen. Maybe a pick in the #20-25 range at best. And that's pushing it.

15 Jun 2017 06:02:51
They would be getting the #6 pick for Okafor and #10.

15 Jun 2017 19:29:00
I really like this deal. Just depends on how Chicago feels about Okafor. I personally would prefer Jarrett Allen, Justin Patton, or Ike Anigbogu at 16 over Okafor, higher ceilings, but I'm not Chicago lol Okafor is more win now than a developmental mid-1st, so depends on what Chicago's mindset is with Wade and Butler.

14 Jun 2017 22:40:23
Jazz - Knicks - Magic

Jazz gets:
O'Quinn
44th (Bulls via Knicks)
58th (Rockets via Knicks)

Knicks gets:
Biyombo

Magic gets:
Noah
24th pick (Jazz)


Utah have 2 first round picks and trade one of them for a backup Center and two 2nd round pick (draft and stash)

Knicks get a young backup center that will help them protect the paint.

Magic gets a leader in Noah that played for Florida in college and a late 1st to rebuild with.

15 Jun 2017 23:30:46
Why would the jazz want two second round picks when they already have two!? Makes no sense!

13 Jun 2017 17:32:37
Warriors are going to be a force for the future... But will be over the cap when the new season starts unless they move Thompson and find a cheaper version of him..

Looking more and more like Boston will trade down to get the most out of this draft.

Boston Draft night..

Boston trades #1,2nd rd (37), Zeller to Kings for #'s 5 &10 and Hield or WCS.

#5, two 2nd rd (53+56) and Bradley to GS for Thompson..

#10 and Mickey To Orlando for Vucevic.

13 Jun 2017 19:10:51
I could see it if Melo and Wade were in better shape, but Wade is a shell of himself, who knows what Melo can bring and Paul is injury prone. Lebron wants titles. This won't happen.

13 Jun 2017 20:25:03
What does Wade or Melo have to do with my post?

13 Jun 2017 22:44:18
Can't see Warriors breaking up this team intentionally. Don't think they'll mind going over the cap to retain one of the best teams ever. Also, Bradley will only be cheaper than Thompson for 1 year then he'll probably make considerable more as a FA.

14 Jun 2017 00:59:48
I agree on the 1 yr deal, just thru it out there, it would have to be Crowder or Brown.

Wade would be cheaper as Melo with the trade kicker would be 30 mil. If those where what you considered replacements.

13 Jun 2017 15:08:17
Suns-Magic

Magic get Bledsoe, #32

Get a very talented point guard. Trade Payton.

Suns get Vucevic, #25

Get a skilled big to start. Draft Fox #4

13 Jun 2017 16:33:38
Not a bad deal, really. but. PHX would want to add something (s) into a deal with ORL to acquire their #6 pick. Plus, I've read that Fox has refused to even workout for the Suns thinking their PG spots are already filled.

13 Jun 2017 18:10:24
Phoenix pg spots are crowded and Bledsoe would be a prime candidate to be moved as his timeline doesn't match the teams and he is coming off his strongest season in awhile. Moving him for Vucevic helps some (Phx frontcourt isn't exactly empty with Chandler, Len, Williams, Chriss and Bender) but I think Phx would prefer an offer including a sg/ sf type like Hezonja, Ross or something that would better fit their roster. Also, if Phx could dump Knight I think they'd want to do that and a fresh start may be best for him. Orlando could use a combo guard like him off the bench.

If this doesn't work I think Denver would be a great destination for Bledsoe or to a team like Bulls, Twolves, Pacers, Jazz, Pelicans who seek a cheaper option than signing guys like Rose, Teague, Hill and Holiday who's contracts will potentially start at over 20 mill per year.

For Vucevic I think a team like Hornets would be a good destination or a team looking for a relatively cheap and young offensive center that is a good rebounder (Celtics maybe? )

13 Jun 2017 09:24:10
Magic-Pistons-Lakers

Magic get R.Jackson,2nd pick
draft J.Jackson

R.Jackson/Payton
Fournier/Hezonja
J.Jackson/Ross
Gordon/Green
Biyombo/Zimmerman

Pistons get Vucevic,6th pick,Clarkson
draft D.Smith

D.Smith/I.Smith
KCP/Clarkson
Harris/Johnson
Morris/Leuer
Vucevic/Baynes

Lakers get 12th pick,Drummond

Russell/Ennis
Young/Brewer/draft
Ingram/Deng
Randle/Nance
Drummond/Zubac/Mozgov

14 Jun 2017 00:22:52
Tell me. The pistons give up their two best players + their 12th pick and magic only have to give up vucivic and the 6th for Jackson and the 2nd? Horrible trade. Pistons laugh this off.

 
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