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23 Feb 2018 15:23:47
Suns get R.Jackson Kanter Biyombo 6th & 44th (Knicks)
Pistons get Hardaway Noah 38th 58th
Knicks get Chandler A.Williams Ross Dudley 2nd (Magics)
Magic get Knight Leuer Galloway 1st 31st (Suns)

Thomas for Faried
Burke/Mudiay/Ntilikina
Lee/Dotson/Baker
Ross/T.Williams/Dudley
J.Jackson-2nd/Faried/Kornet
Porzingis/Chandler/A.Williams

Jackson/Payton/Ulis
Booker/Brown-44th/Reed
Warren/Jackson/House
Chriss/Bender/R.Williams-15th
Kanter/Biyombo/Mamba-6th

Stretch Leuer
Knight/Augustin/Mack
Fournier/Iwundu/Galloway
Hezonja/Simmons/Artis
Gordon/Issac/Birch
Ayton-1st/Vucevic/Wiley-31st

Ish/Buycks/Wilder-58th
Hardaway/Kenard/Milton-44th
Bullock/Johnson/Bonga-38th
Griffin/Tolliver/Ellenson
Drummond/Noah/Moreland

23 Feb 2018 15:37:53
Absolutely terrible for the Knicks. Kanter is better than Chandler, and giving up Hardaway and a bunch of picks just to move Noah, while taking back garbage is a joke.

23 Feb 2018 16:43:32
@Triangle O they get the second overall pick buddy.

23 Feb 2018 17:58:57
Trading Noah's deal is unlikely. I like some of the moves to gain cap. Chandler for Kanter would be a victory, but PHX is smarter than that probably in a straight up move. Some good pieces in these deals.

23 Feb 2018 18:07:51
Not only do the Knicks trade their pick (currently sitting at 9 with little chance of moving down more than a spot or 2) for what looks to be a pick that will be 4 to 8 spots higher, but they also get out of 3 bad contracts and end up with what looks like a ton of cap room this year and even more next year. This trade is awful for everyone but the Knicks. The Suns basically take on 50 million in multi year bad contracts for 1 pick, the Piston's trade two useful players for 1 and one of the worst contracts in the league, and the Magic trade a top 5 pick in the draft for no reason at all.

23 Feb 2018 18:40:41
@Jorgawood Kanter is so much better than chandler. He is better than Kanter in all aspects of basketball except for defense.

23 Feb 2018 19:02:04
Tostito, Chandler is an expiring contract, he makes significantly less, he's probably still a better athlete than Kanter who is a statue, he's light years better on defense, he might be a better rebounder and if not they're about equal, and Chandler's offense fits better with what most offenses are currently trying to do. Kanter is a slow, offensive post player that is a bad defender inside and one of the worst defenders in the league on the perimeter. The majority of the league wants to run, finish at the rim, and shoot threes on offense and on defense they want bigs that aren't going to be liabilities if having to guard in space. He just doesn't fit well in today's league.

23 Feb 2018 20:42:15
Nice call rkenne. Pretty much what I think. Salary savings, defensive presence, same expiration. It's why PHX probably wouldn't do it. Noah and a buy-out are likely. Cash savings can be a real help. Better compliment next to Zinger. Their defense would have some teeth. Chandler can still dunk. All he needs to do offensively.

23 Feb 2018 21:36:13
If Kanter is as inanimate as a statue, wouldn't that make him a DeKanter?

23 Feb 2018 22:29:40
Tostitochip, way to fire back at everyone who doesn't like your deal.

As for your original comment back, I thought you were suggesting a second round pick, not 2nd overall.

24 Feb 2018 01:35:02
So the Sun's give up their 1st did I get that right? If so I can tell you the Sun's are committed to their rebuild and will not trade that pick it could very well be the 1st pick and they want their own team through the draft I can see them packing a Chris's plus Miami's pick to also move up.

22 Feb 2018 13:35:50
Portland: K Love+ Korver

Orlando:McCollum

Cle: Isaac+ T Ross+ 2rnd pick Orlando

22 Feb 2018 19:48:32
Would you trade Oladipo, or Sabonis for Kover, and Love?

22 Feb 2018 21:00:31
Cleveland can get better for mccollum.

22 Feb 2018 22:42:24
no, but Indy is in another situation. they have a young team, with most good players on a rookie contract. (I would have traded PG13 for one Nets pick)
Portland should start over and trade both McCollum and Lillard, or keep one an rebuilt around that player. McCollum and Lillard are both pointguards and most teams have a great pointguard.
And Portland need a Powerforward or shootingguard, who are scarce on todays market.

Portland would get a better return for Lillard, but i would keep him. He's a top three pointguard for me.

McCollum is better and younger than K Love, but i don't think you get something better for him. And i believe K Love is a great fit in Portland, He was a star in Minny and he can be a star in Portland.

23 Feb 2018 00:31:04
The same reasons you think George was worth 1st in your eyes, and why Love wouldn't be a smart move for Indy, are the same reasons POR doesn't want Love, and why he wouldn't bolster their line-up, or increase their chances toward success. Now add Korver. Korver is slightly insulting to POR I would imagine when the deal could be done without him for salary match.

23 Feb 2018 03:22:35
Why would Orlando trade away Issac and a future pick for a proven star when the roster they have is atrocious. They wouldn't be competing with C. J. McCollum and his talent would be wasted.

23 Feb 2018 08:08:25
K Love was to old for Indy, they had no chance making the playoffs with a trade for Love, Portland would be stronger with Love (IMO)

23 Feb 2018 15:53:02
I’m convinced that Gasupo has never watched McCollum if he believes that he’s a PG.

20 Feb 2018 18:34:29
LA: D Lillard

Orlando:McCollum

Portland: Ball+ Ingram+Isaac+Deng+T Ross+1rnd pick OKC 2020(from Orlando)


Portland starts a rebuilt arround Ball, Ingram, Isaac and Collins, going after Bol Bol or Zion Williams next year.

The Lakers can sign two extra max contracts. P George and LBJ?


Orlando resigns A Gordon and can start winning with a descent core: A Gordon, McCollum, vucevic, Fournier and J Simmons

20 Feb 2018 19:00:48
POR receives too little in return for their 2 star players.

20 Feb 2018 20:18:33
If both teams add two first it would work. Lakers can sign 3 stars if they 2 to 3 mil less and have mle for Noel. George James and Durant plus Lillard and use mle on Noel. Kinda 6th man. Crazy Laker fan.

20 Feb 2018 23:55:36
POR is in real trouble if this is the best they will get for their 2 stars. Team loyal fans on here post the stars they want to keep will take less when the contract is up, are worth ten times more when they want to trade them, and 2 1st round, 1 lottery to take Deng. What happened here?

21 Feb 2018 00:52:22
I think this is a great deal for Portland, it's Always the short term traders that lose and the long term investers that win.

Portland isn't going to play for a title and is over the cap and the tandem McCollum Lillard isn't working. Portland should trade McCollum, but there're to many good pointguards in the NBA, only a few teams would be interested (Phoenix, Orlando, .? ) . The return would be to low to make Portland a contender. So that's why Portland should trade both players, for young talents and start a full rebuilt.

This trade give them time.
You can dislike his father, but Ball is a talent.
C: Bol Bol
PF: Z Collins
Sf: Isaac
SG: Ingram
PG: Ball
They can have four all stars in a few years.

21 Feb 2018 04:09:35
I'm not surprised you think it's a great deal for POR Gasupo, we are all aware of your love for the Pacers, and empathy for other teams, their fans, and players. Plus its your post.

21 Feb 2018 08:22:38
So what's your problem jorgawood?

21 Feb 2018 14:55:36
Consistency.

22 Feb 2018 19:09:06
Yeah, that's your problem indeed :-)

20 Feb 2018 16:45:07
Magic Offseason-

1. Fire Frank Vogel, fire entire front office.

2. Hire Chris Fleming as the new head coach. He is the current Nets Assistant coach and the Brooklyn is having a more successful season than expected. Still a bottom five team but they have shown some signs of growth this season. He also worked overseas for 15 years where he racked up championships in Germany.

3. Hire David Griffin (former Cavs GM) as their new GM to begin full rebuild.

4. Draft night trade:

Magic Receive-8th overall pick (projected), 47th overall pick (projected), and Cameron Payne

Bulls Receive- 4th overall pick, Shelvin Mack

5. Magic draft:
-Collin Sexton (pg) with the 8th overall pick (projected)

-Kenrich Williams (sf) with the 40th overall pick (projected)

-Goga Bitadze (c) with the 47th overall pick (projected)

6. Assign Williams and Bitadze to the G-League

7. Resign Aaron Gordon to a maximum contract

8. Trade:

Magic Receive: Andre Roberson, Alex Abrines, 2020 top 8 protected first round pick, 2019 second round pick

Thunder Receive: Evan Fournier

9. Sign Seth Curry to a 1 year 8 million dollar contract
-He will be a nice starting shooting guard to get buckets

10. Sign Ersan Illyasova to the veterans minimum

11. Resign Aaron Afflalo and Mo Speights

2018-2019 Starting Lineup

1-Collin Sexton/Cameron Payne/D.J Augustin
2-Seth Curry/Terrance Ross/Aaron Afflalo
3-Jonathan Issac/Jonaton Simmons/Wesley Iwundu
4-Aaron Gordon/Mo Speights/Ersan Ilyasova
5-Nikola Vucevic/Bismack Biyombo

20 Feb 2018 17:14:39
I don't like the trade. Moving up 4 spots at that part of the draft should cost the Bulls more than Payne, who's been a non factor on a bad team and a 2nd. I don't think it should be as much as Philly gave up to go 3 to 1, but either a lottery protected pick or a young player with starting potential.

20 Feb 2018 18:31:21
1, they just hired an all new front office last year, and were strapped from the previous regime. Hammond has done a good job everywhere he went, and just needs time to change the direction. Also Orlando has had too many coaches in the past decade, no need to change.

2, They went the young hot assistant route already.

3, Griffin did nothing with arguably the best player ever.

4, Should be self explanatory, but that's just bad.

5, 4th (or better) Young has more upside and better scorer.

6, whew

7, I like Gordon. He's the only player close to stardom. Not worth a max though.

8, we already own their pick

9, no need unless you find another trade

10, ok I guess. Think he'd rather contribute on a winning team if making less, than sitting 3rd on a losing bench

11, Afflalo hasn't done anything for this team, not even as mentorship goes.

20 Feb 2018 22:15:04
Cam Payne is not a sweetener to move down four spots for.

21 Feb 2018 02:29:44
David Griffin won a chip with Lebron buddy.

21 Feb 2018 02:34:03
football father I have trouble seeing what you're saying, Aaron Gordon is the only player that they have on the team. They need to pay him. Tre Young is a massive defensive liability and there is a lot of question about how he will fair in the NBA. Collin Sexton is built, athletic, a great defender and passer AND he can shoot. Afflalo is just their to fill up a roster spot and he is a good mentor. You literally are an amateur when it comes to basketball knowledge. Bye-Bye!

21 Feb 2018 02:34:39
Triangle O Cam Payne is a young player and the pick is the focal point of the deal.

21 Feb 2018 04:59:44
Tostitochip, be real man. If you think that Cam Payne gets you a chance to move up four spots, then I would love to sell you Patti Mills for pick 8 alone.

21 Feb 2018 11:32:29
Aaron Gordon is all they have, but that doesn't mean he deserves a max though. They tend to be close in the end of games, and need someone who they can finally trust to hit the last shot. They haven't had one. Even when d12 was here, that was the issue.

Most of their picks including Gordon offer the last 4 years have been for defense. They need to establish a winning culture. Also I think Orlando drafted a pg not too long ago, who was a good defender/ passer about that high in the draft, can't remember, oh yeah we just traded him for a 2nd.

20 Feb 2018 01:38:31
Orlando Magic

Orlando-Atlanta

Orlando get highly protected 2nd round pick

Atlanta get Terrence Ross, Shelvin Mack & future protected 1st round pick

Orlando sign Isaiah Thomas 2yr/37mil 2nd year team option

sign Avery Bradley 3yr/48mil

Those guys played well together when they are in Celtics, think they could really improve the Orlando Magic

draft PG Trae Young with the 5th overall pick

roster

Thomas/Young/Augustin
Bradley/Simmons/Hezonja
Fournier/Iwundu
Gordon/Isaac/Speights
Vucevic/Biyombo/Birch

20 Feb 2018 07:48:50
1st thing for Magic in the offseason is to sack the entire front office.

20 Feb 2018 19:55:04
Why is Bradley getting 16 mil? Harkless is considered nearly untradeable @ 10? Bradley better up his game in the off season.

15 Feb 2018 22:36:33
I want to prefix this with Aaron Gordon is a restricted free agent. So his presumed value is probably more than Philly fans would expect, but less than Orlando fans would have want.

Philly gets Aaron Gordon(s and t)

Orlando gets Saric, the Lakers pick (or Sac top 5 protected reverting to the Philly 2019) and 2 2nds

16 Feb 2018 00:27:25
Not a bad trade.
Gordon is definitely a better player then Saric, but not "enough better" to also include a lottery pick this year in a very strong draft. I think the chemistry with Saric works great in philly. he's 23, on a bargain basement contract, is putting up 15 pts and 7 rebs a game, and is shooting 39% from 3pt. Again, I really like Gordon, but not the move for the sixers.

16 Feb 2018 10:54:36
Agree with Jvoug. Gordon is a good player, but no need for philly to give up Saric and a good draft pick.

16 Feb 2018 15:31:07
I actually think its a bit high of a price but it makes Philly, an up and coming team, even more dangerous. Maybe Orlando gives a bit more but overall i like this trade.

16 Feb 2018 21:24:03
If philly land this years lakers pick the kings pick goes to Boston. As part of the Fultz deal.
Gordon adding a jumpshot has elevated his game and potential so Saric and a lottery pick is fair as Gordon has star potential but even if he does reach it he will still be a quality player and complement Philly core but not sure Orlando will part with him.

15 Feb 2018 05:12:05
Doc rivers takes over

Clippers get Mudiay Ntilikina Baker
Knicks get Beverly Rivers Evans

Splash trade by Doc
Detroit get Hardaway Noah Burke
Magic get Kanter R.Jackson 5th
Knicks get Anderson Biyombo Ross Galloway 1st 37th
Rockets get Leuer

Beverly/Rivers/Evans
Lee/Galloway/Dotson
Ross/Thomas/Bonga-36th
Porzingis/Anderson/Wagner-37th
Ayton/Biyombo/Bitadze-45th

15 Feb 2018 17:24:14
Doc has shown time and time again that he is not a great GM let alone a good GM. I don't think there will ever be a time that he has GM powers again.

10 Feb 2018 01:06:28
4 team piston, laker, OKC, Orlando

Detroit gets Thomas, L.Deng, Randal, Speights

Lakers get Biyombo, Hezonja

Thunder get Abrines, Jackson, Luer, 1st okc

Thunder get Galloway, Afflalo

10 Feb 2018 14:38:41
That looks more like a three team rebuild.

09 Feb 2018 18:40:55
2018 Offseason Plan (Lakers)

Step One
Magic Receive-Luol Deng, 2018 Cavs first round unprotected pick, 2020 Lakers first round unprotected pick

Lakers Receive-Wesley Iwundu

Step two
Lakers extend Julius Randle and sign Isaiah Thomas+Avery Bradley in order to compete

Step 3
Have assets to move at the 2019 deadline and still save a load of money to spend on 2019 free agents. Klay will be available and want a max deal which the Warriors won't be able to afford. Jimmy Butler will also be there but that's unrealistic. Lebron James will likely only sign a 1 year tenure to the Rockets or excursive his player option to return to the Cavs. All in all, the Lakers will have money to sign a superstar weather they want to in 2018 or 2019. Personally I think that the free agent class will be stronger in 2019 compared to the 2018 class.

09 Feb 2018 19:42:45
Thomas with no defense why would Lakers sign him to a contract.

09 Feb 2018 19:45:20
I think the 2018 is stronger with James George Durant cousins Paul and possibly Jordan. But 2019 is younger and better to build with Lakers. Leonard and Klay would be great and trade Ingram for a center. Plus they could keep Deng for one more year and can easily trade in 2019 with Ingram and a couple picks for whiteside.
Ball
Thompson
Leonard
Kuzma
Whiteside.

09 Feb 2018 19:47:16
Orlando takes that deal in less than a heartbeat.

11 Feb 2018 04:20:00
Dallas would take send for two first round picks.

11 Feb 2018 07:23:41
@true99 i'd keep ingram regardless of if u can get lebron, pg, kawhi, butler. the way the league is moving, wings are invaluable and u can do just fine without a traditional big. and ingram will be an all star. come 2019-20 whiteside and dj (both 30+) won't give u close to the same value as him.

09 Feb 2018 19:28:53
the magic have too many highly paid players with long contracts as it is. No way they'd accept another for what could be 2 very low firsts.

08 Feb 2018 03:51:38
Orlando, Washington swap Centers

Orlando receives: Marcin Gortat, Washington 2018 second

Washington receives: Nikola Vucevic

08 Feb 2018 03:58:14
Orlando is trying to rebuild again. Gortat just makes them older.

08 Feb 2018 14:53:00
I can see Orlando doing this, if they can draft Ayton.

07 Feb 2018 21:28:55
Portland - Orlando

Evan Turner and Portland 2018 1st(actually 17th) for Evan Fournier

I think Fournier's shooting and animation ability can really help Portland if they star him at the 3

Picks seems to have and extreme value this year, even at the 15th/20th range so Orlando may take a look i think

07 Feb 2018 04:20:06
Detroit get McCollum, Hezonja

Portland gets J.parker, Payton, Fournier, snell

Orlando get 1st det, 1st Blazers, Jackson,
Ellenson, Turner, M.leonard

Milwaukee get Vucevic, Galloway

07 Feb 2018 14:09:04
The Bucks say NO!

07 Feb 2018 15:37:42
Detroit 1st going to LAC in the Blake Griffin deal.

08 Feb 2018 04:11:01
It’s the next 1st available from detroit.

06 Feb 2018 23:03:34
Magic trade - Simmons and Afflalo

Thunder trade - Ferguson Abrines and a 2nd or highly protected 1st

Westbrook/Felton
Simmons/Afflalo
George/Huestis
Melo/Grant
Adams/Patterson

06 Feb 2018 03:00:48
Orlando kick start rebuild / Cleveland try to keep Lebron

Orlando trade: Fournier, Gordon, Payton, Speights

Cleveland trade: Thomas, Frye, Shumpert, Zizic, Osman, Brk 1st

06 Feb 2018 04:59:25
CLE has no chance at this package, or Gordon. Good players are too old. No young promising talent to exchange.

05 Feb 2018 23:31:46
3 team trade

Celtics get Gordon
Suns get Biyombo and Bos 2018 1st
Magic get - Chandler and Smart

Celtics sign Monta Ellis
Suns draft Michael Porter Jr
Magic draft Luka Doncic

Irving
Brown
Tatum
Gordon
Horford

FA
Booker
Jackson
Porter Jr
Chriss

Payton
Doncic
Ross
Isaac
Vucevic

06 Feb 2018 01:16:55
Boston isn't getting Gordon fro a late first, and smart who they have no intentions of resigning.

06 Feb 2018 02:01:08
This is very good stuff. finally!

06 Feb 2018 03:27:53
magic need more, either pick from boston or young player from phx.

06 Feb 2018 03:31:47
Biyombo and Chandler cancel each other out, and there is no way the Magic give up Gordon for Smart.

06 Feb 2018 04:18:17
^^ Chandler's deal is 1 year shorter pause Marcus Smart is under contract for next year too and wouldn't have to give him a max to keep if they decide too.

06 Feb 2018 05:10:28
I don't see Orlando wanting smart, since him and Payton are pretty much the same type of player. Phoenix could offer Chris's, and Toronto or Miami's pick for gordon.

07 Feb 2018 15:37:36
That's an interesting target for Boston, and it would certainly make for a crazy athletic group from the 2-4. I do think Orlando needs a bit more in this situation, so that Clippers pick could come into play.

05 Feb 2018 21:04:35
Magic asking for fire sale.

Orlando get Kanter A.johnson Booker MCDermott Baker
Knicks A.Gordon Biyombo Fournier Cabarrot Ross
Sixers get Fournier Thomas Hernangomez

Jazz replacement for Hayward

Hardaway O'Quinn for Johnson Favors

Ntilikina/Burks/Jack
Lee/Dotson/Ross
Gordon/Caborrot/Johnson
Porzingis/Beasley/Thomas
Favors/Biyombo/Noah

05 Feb 2018 21:14:07
How could the Sixers and Knicks both receive Fournier?

05 Feb 2018 21:51:58
Why would they give up Gordon without getting anything of much value back. I can see them giving up anyone else for some smaller assets (other than Isaac), but Gordon looks like he could be an allstar in the not so distant future. They would need a pretty good haul for him.

07 Feb 2018 01:44:38
Salary dump for expiring contract usually what happens in fire sale. Obviously Sixers get Fournier chiptooth.

05 Feb 2018 17:02:42
Orlando: H Barnes+ McCollum

Portland: Forunier+ Isaac

Dallas: Turner+ biyombo+ 1rnd pick Orlando (top 1 protected)+ 1rnd pick Portland

05 Feb 2018 17:18:06
*Fournier.

05 Feb 2018 17:28:18
not going to happens.

05 Feb 2018 18:31:28
ORL is not willing to do this. They will want major consideration for that pick.

05 Feb 2018 20:28:19
No from Orlando and Portland.

04 Feb 2018 18:21:18
Portland: fournier+ Millsap+ 2rnd pick Denver+ 2rnd pick Orlando

Orlando: McCollum

Denver: Isaac+Turner

04 Feb 2018 18:39:24
big no from portland, they should be getting at least a first, or maybe isaac. and offloading turner is nice, but taking a chance on millsap at 30 mil next year in his age 34 season isn't that enticing.
if portland moves either dame or cj its going to be for potential stars and firsts, if they can't get that they are better off holding.

04 Feb 2018 06:04:25
Pelican trades that could help this year season and next with Cousins Resigned

Trade #1

Pels - Larry Nance Jr

Lakers - Dante Cunningham (Expiring deal), Future 2nd round pick

Lakers to clear as much cap as possible

Trade #2

Pels - Evan Fournier

Magic - Solomon Hill, Alexei Ajaica (waived) Ian Clark (Expiring) Future Protected first rounder

With cousins resigned and contracts matching up with trades for next season as well

Pels lineup

PG - Holiday - Jackson
SG - Moore - FA
SF - Fournier - Miller
PF - Davis - Mirotic
C - Cousins - Nance Jr.

04 Feb 2018 07:45:40
S. Hill was pretty good last season. I don't think he's as offensively talented as Fournier, but he can D up, and shoot the 3. Contract is similar.

04 Feb 2018 16:43:47
Lakers probably wouldn't move L. Nance without adding a bad contract (clakrson or deng) .

04 Feb 2018 17:06:26
Clarkson is better than Nance, and his contract isn't bad. Plays on an inexperienced team, and put up good numbers. Not even close to Deng in terms of bad comtract.

04 Feb 2018 18:40:54
Bad for the Magic doesn’t give them anything besides a first which is protected.

04 Feb 2018 01:54:25
Cavs get Muhammad
Wolves get zizic Miami 2nd

Cavs get Hill
Kings get shumpert osman 2 2nd round picks

Cavs get vucevic
Magic get Thomas

Cavs sign tony Allen and bogut

Hill rose Calderon
Smith wade Muhammad
James korver green
Love crowder Frye
Vucevic Thompson bogut

04 Feb 2018 03:45:52
No way that happens. Cavs tax bill would be higher than Monta Ellis is at any given point.

 
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