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16 Oct 2018 17:46:17
Nets - Kaminsky
- gets a needed stretch 4

Kings - Carroll
- adds perimeter D and shooting from wing

Hornets - WCS
- gets a young center to play over biyombo




14 Oct 2018 15:41:00
Wiggins + Dieng

Skall + zbo + shump + WCS

Kings take shot they can convince butler to stay and seem only team to take on Dieng contract

Minn takes expiring contacts and two young bigs

16 Oct 2018 00:19:14
Did you mess Wiggins and butler up?

16 Oct 2018 02:04:00
Yes meant butler, sorry late night . Clearly kings should prefer Wiggins w locked up contract but point of this was to take a shot on butler, hope he can be the main scorer on a kings team and want it to be built around him.

14 Oct 2018 05:27:04
Kings get Hardaway Magic 2nd
Knicks get Simmons Shumpert Koufos
Magic get Mudiay Kornet


14 Oct 2018 13:59:08
Why does Orlando or Sacramento do this?

Orlando gives up a solid player in Simmons and a 2nd for almost nothing and Sac gives up expirings that could net them a first to get Hardaway?

13 Oct 2018 00:30:13
Knicks 4 moves

Magic get Mudiay Hezonja
Knicks get Ross

Pelicans get Lee
knicks get S.Hill

At deadline
Wolves get Knox Noah 2019 1st unprotected
knicks get Butler

Kings get Hardaway
Knicks get Shumpert Koufos


13 Oct 2018 16:26:55
Magic let Mario walk now they are trading for him?

11 Oct 2018 18:13:08
TWolves- Richardson, Olynyk, Cauley-Stein

Heat- Butler

Kings- Dieng, Protected 1st (via Miami)

12 Oct 2018 00:03:09
3 yrs of starter salary for the 10-12th man off the bench is worth a lottery projected pick.

09 Oct 2018 07:30:10

SAC receives: Carter, Asik, Payne

CHI receives: Giles, Cauley-Stein, Mason

Sacramento uses all of their $11M cap space to absorb Asik's terrible contract and combine their assets into a more surefire prospect. They bet big on Carter and Bagley, although you could argue they'd be hesitant to pay Cauley-Stein anyway.

Chicago, who can actually recruit free agents, regains some flexibility after an expensive off-season. They get more chances with good prospects that also fit well with their roster.

Still don't think Chicago does it, but could maybe happen depending on how the season goes.

09 Oct 2018 06:48:05
Kings send: '23 2nd (won't convey)
Receive: Nene (buyout/waive), 3m cash, '20 2nd
Get a 2nd for using their cap space.

Twolves send: Butler
Receive: Gordon, Qi, '20 & '22 1st, '19 2nd, '23 2nd
Get a couple of firsts, a starting calibre SG and a couple of other small assets for Butler.

Rockets send: Gordon, Nene, Qi, '20 & '22 1st, '19 & '20 2nd, 3m cash
Receive: Butler

PG: Paul, Knight
SG: Harden, Green
SF: Butler, Ennis
PF: Tucker, Melo
C: Capella, Chriss

08 Oct 2018 14:56:31
New Butler trade idea.

Minnesota gets Richardson, Tyler Johnson, and Koufos.
Miami gets Butler
Sacramento gets Dieng, Miami's 2019 1st, and Miami's 2019 2nd (which Minnesota owns).

08 Oct 2018 15:00:21
It just doesn’t feel like enough for Butler.

08 Oct 2018 16:08:31
More then enough especially because heat have no cap to sign him.

08 Oct 2018 16:30:16
LL, The fact that the Heat can’t sign him ups his value in a trade for the Heat. I’m not sure what you’re inferring. Koufos has no value, Tyler Johnson has almost as much negative value as Dieng and Richardson is solid, but he’s not some kind of elite prospect.

08 Oct 2018 16:36:38
Personally, I think one of the sticking points is the Heat don't want to take on Dieng, but want Minnesota to take on Waiters along with giving Minnesota Richardson and a 1st. However, Minnesota doesn't want both Dieng and Waiters for 3 more years, so they want Miami to give up another 1st for a 3rd team to take on Dieng.

08 Oct 2018 18:31:40
HAHAHA, I love ll. that comment is indicative of his overall basketball knowledge.

09 Oct 2018 01:44:37
You got to look at it this wayy. Wolves are off loading dieing 3 years contract which is bad due to fact it has 3 years. and getting two solid players.

08 Oct 2018 03:12:07
Heat receive: Butler
Send: Richardson, Winslow, Bam, '19 & '20 2nd
Get the star for their roster and don't have to take on Dieng

Twolves receive: Richardson, Winslow, Bam, Shumpert
Send: Butler, Dieng, Jones
Bring in 3 players who fit their time line and a vet wing.

Kings receive: Dieng, Bucks 1st, '20 2nd
Send: Shumpert
Get a couple of picks for their cap space

Suns receive: Jones, '19 2nd
Send: Bucks 1st
Get a young PG who could start

08 Oct 2018 14:26:11
No 1st for Teague but a 1st for Jones? I wouldn't pay that.

06 Oct 2018 17:40:44
wizards get butler, taj gibson
wolves get otto porter, troy brown, zach randolph
kings get dieng, diop, wizards top 16 protected 1st.

06 Oct 2018 18:51:07
Trade benefits wizards 1st and for most.

06 Oct 2018 22:10:31
Why is the Washington pick protected in a trade for butler? If he isn't likely to sign with the wiz then I see it but I don't think a team will trade for him who doesn't think they can keep him long term.

07 Oct 2018 23:36:22
@btec bc wash is giving up a fair amount in porter and brown, the pick is protected bc worst case they miss the playoffs and butler leaves they still have their pick. and i thought min getting the pick was too much.

05 Oct 2018 13:53:57
getting tired of Twolves not trading Butler..

Butler to Miami
J.Richardson and T.Johnson going Minny

additional, Wolves want Dieng out, trade him to Suns with Jones for Chandler and 2nd rd pick

and Heat wants Waiters out, send him to Kings with 1st rd picks for any expiring contract/s..

05 Oct 2018 14:39:49
You’d need to add a first to get rid of Dieng and why take back a bad contract and more salary while only getting back 2 mediocre players if you’re Minnesota? Butler is a top 15 player no matter what you think of his attitude.

05 Oct 2018 04:52:02
4 team trade

suns trade center Tyson chandler to timberwolves point guard tyus jones trade to the suns, timberwolves trade center gorgui dieng to the kings for sg ben mclemore to suns, timberwolves jimmy butler to heat center bam Adebayo, sf josh Richardson, and sg dion walters.

this was approved by espn nba trade machine

05 Oct 2018 09:48:13

05 Oct 2018 13:38:36
So kings get a crappy contract and no pick?

05 Oct 2018 17:11:49
Echo that. Impossible to follow without writing it all down.

03 Oct 2018 20:42:01
TWolves- Whiteside and Richardson

Heat- Butler and Randolph

Kings- Dieng and 1st round pick (Miami)

04 Oct 2018 00:22:09
Whiteside bad for wolves next to Towns.

04 Oct 2018 14:33:57
Whiteside is a net negative. The Wolves would be better off letting Butler walk than taking this trade. Atleast Dieng isn’t going to be upset with his role.

04 Oct 2018 20:28:37
That is a laughable return for Minny.

03 Oct 2018 03:04:02
Milspo, let's try this

Bucks get Hardaway Noah
Knicks get Henson Randolph Koufos Shumpert (cavs) via bucks
Heat get Kanter Snell Delly
Kings get Whiteside Waiters Thomas

Kings can compete for 8th seed


Knicks clear all bad contracts


Bucks add another scorer/shooter to spread offense.


Heat save future money. Get a center who gives more effort.


03 Oct 2018 10:01:02
This is bad for the Kings. They aren't going to give away all their expirings for Whiteside. They will need young players or picks to do it.

03 Oct 2018 15:30:59
Knicks 2020 1st. Worth it.

04 Oct 2018 08:16:36
Knicks 2019 unprotected and Knicks 2021 unprotected to bucks.

04 Oct 2018 12:21:09
II lmao cav fans.

05 Oct 2018 04:04:45
Nobody wants whiteside. Miami overpaid a lazy diva.

01 Oct 2018 14:50:50
Memphis/ Sacramento

Memphis gets Zach Randolph and Iman Shumpert

Sacramento gets Chandler Parsons, lottery protected 1st rounder and 2 future 2nd rounders.

01 Oct 2018 16:10:28
I really don't like it for Memphis. If they need to get under the luxury tax, they could do it without giving up picks. It's not like they have a realistic chance at landing a meaningful free agent, so clearing cap space isn't a big deal.

01 Oct 2018 19:37:19
Didnt memphis let Randolph walk two years ago for free?

02 Oct 2018 01:39:39
Not the point Shiller, this is expiring deals for a bad contract in Parsons. If this deal were to materialize, Randolph would be a buyout candidate.

02 Oct 2018 19:53:56
Nobody wants Chandler Parsons including the usually gullable Kings.

30 Sep 2018 01:18:01
Kings trade

Kostas Koufos,Iman shumpert,2023 2nd

Wizards trade

Ian mihimi,Kelly Oubre jr,2019 1st top 5 protected

30 Sep 2018 05:41:26
Wizards Declined That deal Horrible Trade.

30 Sep 2018 16:11:14
How they get rid Ian minimizes terrible contract.

28 Sep 2018 04:50:53
3 way trade Cavs Sacramento Wolves

Cavs receive

Wolves receive
Cavs 2021 first round pick

Sacramento receives

Cavs get Butler and big men depth
Wolves get the package they want. Cap relief, young assest, vets to help now and a draft pick
Sacramento receives two good players for two expandable players. Could trade Teague to Phx or keep him and trade Clarkson if they want to develop Fox with Teague as a mentor.

28 Sep 2018 15:12:31
Define "young assets". Just because they're young doesn't mean they're an asset.

28 Sep 2018 20:03:36
Not enough for Butler. Wolves hang up quickly.

27 Sep 2018 18:50:09
*Heat get: Butler, Chandler, Shumpert
PG Waiters/T. Johnson/McGruder
SG Ellington/Wade/Shumpert
SF Butler/Richardson/Jones Jr.
PF Olynk/J. Johnson/Babbitt
Ce Adebayo/Chandler/Haslem

*T Wolves get: Whiteside, Dragic, Winslow, Randolph, Harrison, 2021 2nd (from MIA)
PG Dragic/Rose/Harrison
SG Wiggins/Okogie/Williams
SF Winslow/Deng/Nunnally
PF Randolph/Tolliver/Bates-Diop
Ce Towns/Whiteside/Patton

*Suns get: Teague, Jones, Gibson, 2021 2nd (from SAC)
PG Teague/Jones/Okobo
SG Booker/Daniels/Melton
SF Jackson/Bridges/Reed
PF Gibson/Ariza/Anderson
Ce Ayton/Holmes/Bender

*Kings get: Dieng, Warren, 2019 1st (From MIA)
PG Fox/Ferrell/Mason lll
SG Hield/Bogdanovic/McLemore
SF Warren/Bjelica/Jackson
PF Bagley lll/Labissiere/Giles
Ce Cauley-Stein/Dieng/Koufos

27 Sep 2018 20:05:36
I like this trade except for the heat being short @ PG. Waiters is out of shape having to stay off his feet during rehab from ankle surgery. Probably 2-3 months to get in full basketball shape.

27 Sep 2018 03:57:14
Miami gets Jimmy Butler, Willy Cauley-Stein Trade Machine says +6 wins
Miami saves 4 million in salary

Minnesota gets Hassan Whiteside and justice Winslow. Trade machine says -1 win
Minnesota save 7 million salary

Sacramento gets Gorgui Dieng And a 2019 first round pick from Miami. Trade machine says -3 wins

27 Sep 2018 08:58:13
The trademachine is just a machine.

The Miammi offer isn't unfair, but i think Minny could get a better return for Butler.

I like this for Sacramento, they need draft picks and the Miami pick would be worth taking a bad contract.

27 Sep 2018 01:18:39
Rockets try to get Butler:

Wolves send: Butler, Dieng, Jones
Receive: Gordon, Tucker, Nene, '19 &'21 1st (Rockets)
Stay competitive and get 2 future firsts

Kings send: McLemore
Receive: Dieng (Stretch & Waive), Qi, Bucks 1st (Via Suns), '20 2nd
Get a couple of picks and a prospect for a Dieng dump

Suns send: Bucks 1st
Receive: Jones, '19 2nd
Get their PG who can start

Rockets send: Gordon, Tucker, Nene, Qi, '19 & '20 2nd, '19 & '21 1st
Receive: Butler, McLemore

PG: CP3, Knight
SG: Harden, McLemore
SF: Butler, Green
PF: Melo, Ennis
C: Capela, Chriss

On a side note, after Dieng is presumably waived, I'd like to see him sign for the Lakers

27 Sep 2018 02:14:21
I'm guessing you don't care for the Lakers much if you want them to sign Dieng to a minimum contract that no other team would likely give him because they could be developing a young player in that slot.

27 Sep 2018 05:00:09
@Btec McGee is best used as a spark plug off the bench. Wagner is at least a year off from handling opposition Cs on D. Zubac is yet to show he should be a rotation big. I think for a non-guaranteed vet min Dieng could start for them before they move to their version of the "death lineup"

27 Sep 2018 11:51:28
I comprehend that. Dieng puts up Nene #'s. Are you really going to sign nearly age 30 Dieng when you could have a younger player developing? Dieng doesn't have a lot of mystery to his future potential. I doubt anyone gives him more than a 1 year guaranteed vet minimum, if anyone even picks him up. Especially the Lakers, who have wagner, McGee, zubac all younger, better, cheaper already.

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