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23 nov 2017 01:01:04
this is a little complicated but i think it works:

trade 1
la gets- frye,calderon,green (drop all)

crowder trade later

2018 1st rd(brk )
2020 1st rd (clev

clev gets-nance,randle,deng
2018 2nd rd(den )
2020 1st rd (la)
for play off & future

trade 2
la gets-daynes,larkin,yabussele
(drop all)
smart trade later
2018 1st rd 1,6-30
2018 1st rd( 2-5)
2018 1st rd (sac)
depands on la pick

bost gets (for playof-lopez,crowder(7.2 mil money is offset for hayford)
2020 2nd rd (la)
trade 3
la gets -johnson,covington,drop both
okafor trade later
2018 1st rd( 2-5)
2018 1st rd (sac
depands on la pick

phil gets-kcp morris
for playoff
trade 4
la gets -randolph,giles
2020 1st rd (kings)

kings get-clarkson,okafor
laker get-

laker keeps-
ingram,ball, kuzma,hart,zubac,bryant

23 Nov 2017 03:39:28
you are right, this is very complicated. are you saying they make additional trades with the same teams for the players u called “trade later”?

13 Nov 2017 09:14:35
I'm trying to make a Deng trade.

Philly: Ingram+Daniels

Suns: L Ball+ Deng

LA: Okafor+ 1rnd pick LA /or 1rnd pick Philly or Sac 2019+ 1rnd pick bucks 2018

Phoenix receive a PG with potential that fits the system. (And there's less pressure than in LA)

Philly get a young wingman

And LA get capspace and draft picks. They could sign LBJ, P george and D cousins. And they have the assets (draft picks) to trade for some good roll players. And they can start a rebuilt with the draft picks if they fail to land free agents.

13 Nov 2017 09:55:22
LA: * Monroe.

13 Nov 2017 12:46:37
Lakers not trading Ball.

13 Nov 2017 14:57:54
No way Magic will ever trade Lonzo Ball. He is basically the face of the franchise. Especially for a center that no one wants and a bunch of unknown players via draft picks.

13 Nov 2017 17:17:18
so the lakers trade their only two “untouchable” players (each a former number 2 pick) for some picks that won't even be top 5.yeah, ok.

13 Nov 2017 17:19:24
Actually, I should be all for that trade. As far as I'm concerned, the more the Lakers lose, the better chance the Celtics have at getting a 2 to 5 lottery pick.
Alas, the Lakers still won't trade Ball.

12 Nov 2017 16:14:47
LA send :
luol deng 17190
julius randle 4149
josh hart 1394
randolph 12307
mat barnes 6400
arron afflalo 1500

monroe 17884
jones 1312

mcroberts 6021
devin harris 4402
smith 3218
curry 3028
withey 1577
ferrell 1312

johnson 11000
okafor 4995
stauskas 3807

mirotic 12500
pondexter 3853
rondo 3000

randolph 12307
mat barnes 6400
arron afflalo 1500

monroe 17884
jones 1312


mcroberts 6021
devin harris 4402
smith 3218
curry 3028
withey 1577
ferrell 1312

johnson 11000
okafor 4995
stauskas 3807

mirotic 12500
pondexter 3853
rondo 3000


12 Nov 2017 16:34:45
No those are all god awful for the other teams.

12 Nov 2017 18:04:44
You lost me on Matt Barnes and Arron Aflallo being traded from KINGS although one is FA and other playing for Magic.

13 Nov 2017 15:03:09
Thank you for not including the Pelicans in those lop-sided trade ideas.

14 Nov 2017 14:48:47
rondo isn't in chicago anymore he's in NO.

12 Nov 2017 10:36:54
Suns; Warren, Chandler and Mike James
Kings; Fox, Koufos, Temple

12 Nov 2017 14:37:26
Why would sacramento do this?

The suns should give their own and the miami pick to convince the Kings doing this.

14 Oct 2017 01:29:25
Boston: Gobert

Utah: Ingram+ Tatum+ J Brown+Deng+ 1rnd pick Bucks.

Lakers:Monroe+ J Johnson+ return LA pick (or sacramento pick)

Bucks: Clarckson+ Morris

14 Oct 2017 05:34:09
I think Ingram alone would be more than enough to get some one to take on Deng's contract. By the time you would need to resign him Deng's contract would be over.

I also think that Boston would need to give up more.

14 Oct 2017 06:04:12
Boston gave up Brown, Tatum, Morris and LA/ SAC pick for Gobert? No way Boston do that even if they need someone like Gobert. They will be too thin on wings when that happens. Maybe something like one of Tatum or Brown, Yabusele and the pick. Maybe.

14 Oct 2017 06:38:00
I didn't catch that they gave of the La/ sac pick. Makes sense, I like it.

14 Oct 2017 11:32:44
this could end up being a historically great trade for utah if all 3 three of those guys reach their all star potential. imagine rubio distributing to those 3, defensive nightmare. for boston, i would offer either brown/ tatum. gobert is great but he doesn’t project to contribute the same offense as one of those guys so u are really betting on hayward giving u 20 ppg the next few years. unless they could bring in someone else to offer that if hayward starts to decline around 30. so ainge better restock the asset cabinet after this trade.

14 Oct 2017 14:56:28
I would love this trade for one simple reason: To watch Gobert and Embiid battle for the next 5 years.

15 Oct 2017 08:46:12
Boston need a defensive center, if they want to defeat Cleveland and Golden state.
And they have no capspace so they have to give up Horford or (Morris+ Tatum+ J Brown) or they will only make the eastern finals.

This is a really good starting five
C: gobert
Pf: horford
SF: Hayward
SG: Smart
Pg: Irving.

09 Oct 2017 10:36:38
Lakers: Monroe+ Fox+ 1rnd pick bucks

Sac: L Ball+ Deng

Bucks:WC Stein+ bogdanovic+Richardson

09 Oct 2017 12:57:00
Now that would be a funny fight Magic and Lavar if Lonzo was traded never going to happen but.

04 Oct 2017 04:53:21
Utah Jazz trade: Derrick Favors, Alec Burks, and 2018 Utah Jazz first-round draft pick
Utah Jazz receive: Al Horford

In an attempt to compete for a playoff spot in the loaded Western Conference, the Jazz trade two semi-young, potential-filled players who really struggled last year while battling with injuries, along with a first-round pick, for a proven star-level player who would undoubtedly fit in very well alongside Rudy Gobert. Horlord is a player who can do a little bit of everything and has proven to be very consistent throughout his years in the league. Should Favors and Burks never return back to their 2015-16 form, this trade would turn out to be a steal for the Jazz.

Boston Celtics trade: Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Al Horford, Aron Baynes, Abdel Nader, 2018 Los Angeles Lakers first-round draft pick/2019 Sacramento Kings first-round draft pick, 2018 Boston Celtics first-round draft pick, and 2019 Memphis Grizzlies first-round draft pick
Boston Celtics receive: Anthony Davis, DeMarcus Cousins, Alexis Ajinca and Tony Allen

Before I go any further, I feel compelled to mention that this trade would be contingent upon, at minimum, Cousins verbally agreeing to stay in Boston beyond 2018. With that being said, the Celtics are receiving the future of the NBA in 24-year-old Davis and another superstar in 27-year-old Cousins, so yes, they would have to give up an arm and a leg to pair those two alongside all-stars 25-year-old Kyrie Irving and 27-year-old Gordon Hayward. Wiping out their two young studs and most of their future assets (draft picks) would undoubtedly hurt Danny Ainge to the very core, but the "consolation prize" he would receive would be worth the hurt. Davis and Cousins would give him a 'Big Four' to probably pass the Cleveland Cavaliers as the best team in the Eastern Conference and challenge the older Golden State Warriors for the NBA championship for years to come. Ajinca and Allen would provide the team additional depth for the inevitable championship run the team would make.

New Orleans Pelicans trade: Anthony Davis, DeMarcus Cousins, Alexis Ajinca, and Tony Allen
New Orleans Pelicans receive: Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Derrick Favors, Alec Burks, Aron Baynes, Abdel Nader, 2018 Los Angeles Lakers first-round draft pick/2019 Sacramento Kings first-round draft pick, 2018 Utah Jazz first-round draft pick, 2018 Boston Celtics first-round draft pick, and 2019 Memphis Grizzlies first-round draft pick

The Pelicans have been struggling, struggling, and struggling some more to build a competent team around Davis. Even with the addition of Cousins, the Pelicans struggled beyond the all-star break to compete at a playoff level. There is no better time to trade Davis than now, and no team with more to offer the Pelicans for the services of Davis and Cousins than the Celtics. The package the Pelicans would receive in this trade would be very hard to pass up. Tatum and Brown are both extremely young and overflowing with potential. Both can be all-stars in future if provided the appropriate opportunities. Favors was an above average starting power forward two seasons ago before struggling, due to injuries, this past season. Burks was in a similar situation, although he was never as talented as Favors. Any type of resurgence from either player (which is likely due to the fact that both should be recovered from their injuries following this offseason) would allow the Pelicans to either build around them or flip them for more younger prospects. Finally, the Pelicans would receive a slew of first-round draft picks around which they could build around. The Lakers/Kings draft pick could be a top five pick, either in 2018 or 2019, and should undoubtedly be in the top 10. The Jazz and Grizzlies picks should fall somewhere between the 10-20 range, but could be higher depending on how the two teams perform. Finally, the Celtics draft pick would probably fall somewhere in the 25-30 range upon the execution of this trade, where quality players still exist if scouted well. It would be hard for the Pelicans to receive a better offer for any combination of Davis and Cousins at any point over the upcoming seasons than this one.

04 Oct 2017 10:13:38
aside from NO moving davis and boogie together, nothing else is really outrageous about these trades. could work out in the long run for the pels if they draft right.

04 Oct 2017 10:34:11
i think i would prefer a version of this trade where boogie and one of brown/ tatum (i think i'd choose brown) stay put. i just can't see davis and boogie ever really thriving together especially alongside someone like kyrie who should be a primary scorer.

04 Oct 2017 13:09:05
Agree with donadamsky that trading for both would be kind of dumb since the experiment would have failed for NO already. I think they would be better off trying to keep Tatum or Brown. They need an another wing and guy who can turn in to an elite perimeter defender.

I also don't like this for Utah. They need a number one scoring option, but that isn't Horford. He would be a decent fit next at pf for them, but I'm not sure this even guarantees them a playoff spot. Horford is on a huge contract for 3 more years and by the end of it, he won't be worth the money. The Jazz are a fairly young team. I think they would be better off going through a mini rebuilding around Gobert or a complete rebuild.

This is a solid return for NO, but I'm still don't think they'll want to move Davis anytime in the near future.

04 Oct 2017 16:15:50
I can't imagine the Pelicans moving Davis without getting both Tatum and Brown back.

05 Oct 2017 16:55:46
Hilarious. The Pelicans have been "struggling" Boogie and A. D. have played a whopping 15 games together since last season. And half of those are Holiday yet all of you think New Orleans is going to dump A. D.? Let me help you guys out with this. You do NOT trade a once in a generation player for mediocre to average pieces. If so i might propose this trade

Celtics fans really have a knack for thinking the rest of the league owes them their Superstars

Pathetic trade idea.

07 Oct 2017 15:01:14
Dacman, that's four really good trade pieces (Brown, Tatum, La/ Sac and Memphis) and a few mediocre ones (Favors, Utah pick, Boston pick, Nader, and Burke) as well without having to take on much long term salary. I don't think NO should trade Davis anytime soon, but theoretically if they did, this would be a great haul. There isn't a team in the league that would be willing to give up more than that that has the pieces to do it.

25 Sep 2017 23:47:51
Celtics: Okafor+ 1rnd pick Sac 2019

LA: A Johnson+return LA pick

Sixers: Deng+ Ingram+ Yabusele

The Celtics need another big and they keep a good future draft pick

LA loses Ingram, but they get their pick back and they dump Deng's contract

26 Sep 2017 10:22:57
Okafor would have been a valuable piece 10 to 15 years ago, but the only team he fits now is Memphis. Just can't see how he meshes with the way Boston wants to play. He'll never block shots, but someone on the Sixers staff really needs to teach him how to rebound in order to increase his value. Right now a late first might be all they can get for him. And it's very unlikely that the Lakers move on from Ingram.

26 Sep 2017 10:34:49
i’m not an expert when it comes to protected picks so maybe someone can clarify. boston currently has one of the two picks mentioned here, but potentially either. so would this trade involve amending the deal for those picks so the lakers pick can be moved? would the celtics now have the sac pick and phi’s own 1st rounder in 2019? all that aside, i like this deal a lot haha.

25 Sep 2017 22:19:18

Thunder get: Jerian Grant, Diamond Stone.

Bulls get: Kyle Singler, 2021 OKC 2nd, TPE (Kanter), Raymond Felton.



Thunder get: 2019 SAC 2nd, cash considerations.

Kings get: Josh Huestis, TPE (McDermott)


24 Sep 2017 19:55:50

Boston has Horford and Baynes, and that's about it up front. No depth. Through 103 games, Okafor has averaged 15 points and 6 rebounds in 26 minutes a game. And he's just 21yrs old. Granted he struggles immensely on D, but if horford is off, in foul trouble, or injured, who scores inside for boston????
Sixers have too many young centers in Embiid, Holmes, and Okafor. Celtics have potentially 4 #1 picks in 2019.

Sixers get: worst of Kings, Grizz, Clips or Celtics 1st rd pick in 2019.
Boston gets: Okafor

24 Sep 2017 21:32:54
Anthony Davis unlikely to be made available, but Celtics need to keep their No. 1s in case the Pelicans panic.
That's not saying Okafor isn't worth a late first, just that the Celtics need to hang on to as many assets as possible for a bigger fish.

25 Sep 2017 06:56:09
If Davis is made available, Okafor could be flipped to NO at the same value as a late first, so I don't think this would hurt Boston at all. I like the trade, and I think Horford is the kind of guy that can mask some of Okafor's issues decently.

25 Sep 2017 14:03:37
I agree with BMiller that Okafor could be the same value as the worst of all those picks, especially if Stevens is able to pull his best from him, and I also agree that they should only send the worst of the picks.

The issue, however, then becomes salary. Okafor is making just under $5 million. Who goes with the pick to make that salary work? You've got four options right now, with Baynes becoming a fifth in December when he's eligible to be traded. Those four guys are Tatum, Morris, Brown and Smart. I don't think Okafor is worth any of them straight up, let alone with a pick involved.

20 Sep 2017 23:35:58
Boston: Jokic

Denver: 1rnd pick LA 2018+ 1rnd pick Sac 2019+Oyele

C: Jokic/Yabusele
PF: Horford/Morris
SF: G Hayward/ Tatum
SG: Smart/ J Brown
PG: Irving/ rozier

21 Sep 2017 03:51:09
Boston doesn't have both picks. They get one or the other. They get La's pick if it falls between 2-5. If not they get sacs 19.

21 Sep 2017 03:51:23
Probably need to include Tatum as well.

21 Sep 2017 04:11:06
Boston doesn't own both the laker 2018 and the kings 2019, its one or the other dependingl on the protection.

10 Sep 2017 01:49:07
Cavs Kings

Cavs receive

Kings receive

10 Sep 2017 06:09:52
Why would SAC dump Hield, the key piece in the Cousins trade, for anything they are receiving from CLE here? I don't get it.

10 Sep 2017 15:00:17
Not much value in any of the end-of-the-roster stuff that Cavs would be dumping. Four pennies do not equal a dollar.

30 Aug 2017 23:21:38
Hornets get Hardaway Lee
Bulls get MKG Thomas
Kings get Marv-Williams
Knicks get Wade Hill Lamb


31 Aug 2017 04:40:40
In what world is Marvin Williams worth George hill?

01 Sep 2017 18:07:56
in health salary and the whole behind by Randolph.

02 Sep 2017 02:34:51
No that doesn't make him worth George hill

He's not even on the same level as Hill.

28 Aug 2017 16:21:06
Cavs - Celtics

Cavs gets:
2018 Brooklyn 1st
2018 Lakers or 2019 Kings 1st

Celtics gets:
2018 Cavs 1st
Future 2nd Cavs

New deal now when Thomas hip is worse than Celtics said at first. Cavs can move their 2018 first because they get a new one from Brooklyn (via Celtics).

28 Aug 2017 16:30:15
I believe that it doesn't matter what pick from others teams the Cavs gained. They still can't trade their own pick because they traded their 2019 pick so they can't trade their 2018 or 2020. That is why they are trying hard to pick up an additional asset from the Celtics so they have something other than the Nets pick for trade bait.

28 Aug 2017 16:40:34
Rite quick, I'm not sure of the actual rule, but they could make it a pick swap for Cleveland rather than straight up trading picks. That would essentially do the same thing.

28 Aug 2017 17:13:12
Yup, a best/ worst of pick swap would work.

28 Aug 2017 17:34:21
True I didn't think about the pick swap idea. Honestly that would be good for the Cavs anyway to still have a pick somewhere in the draft. They can still trade the pick draft night as well which I think kind of is stupid since you won't allow teams to trade back to back any other time except for draft night. But that's a different subject.

28 Aug 2017 18:12:19
A pick swap in which the Brooklyn of Lakers/ Kings pick is traded for the Cavs pick will not happen, because the Cavs pick will come near the end of Round 1 and be just about irrelevant. The only swap that would make sense is for Cleveland and Boston to trade their own picks, with Cleveland doing the deal if Boston's is better. If it's not better, then the Celtics could flip them one of their many second-rounders.

29 Aug 2017 15:01:39
That's fine Super, no one is suggesting a pick swap for a specific pick, the question was posed "can the Cavs even trade their 2018 pick", and the answer was through a best/ worst swap. That could be with the 2018 C's pick.

29 Aug 2017 15:07:38
Not sure how you know that Thomas'hip is worse than what the Celtics said. No one knows except Ainge and the Cleveland GM. I think the harder the Cavs push for a significant addition to the deal, the more chance the deal falls apart and they get stuck with Irving or end up trading him for an for an inferior return. And they won't have Brooklyns pick, which Cleveland desperately wants.

26 Aug 2017 05:44:47

Kings get Iman Shumpert

Cavaliers get Koufos & 2nd round pick

26 Aug 2017 14:31:21
I don't see Koufos as a player the Cavs really need at that price point. It's more likely that the Cavs either try to save
A little money in a Shumpert trade or wait for a bigger deal using Shump as an expiring.

26 Aug 2017 02:02:04
December trade fox ready to start. Ntilikina need 1 yr. to develop Anderson replace Randolph. Rockets get Melo

Knicks Ariza Hill
Kings get Anderson Randle
Rockets get Melo

Lee for Dieng


25 Aug 2017 06:54:04

•Cavs get Kosta Koufos
-Waive Kay Felder, Edy Tavares
-Sign Kay Felder 2-way contract
-Sign Tony Allen 1yr 2m
PG: Thomas, Rose, Calderon
SG: Smith, Shumpert, Allen
SF: James, Korver, Osman
PF: Love, Crowder, Green
C: Thompson, Koufos, Zizic

•Kings get Channing Frye and Richard Jefferson.

24 Aug 2017 15:44:10
Boston: Drummond+ Nogueira

Toronto: Horford

Detroit: Valanciunas+ CJ Miles+ 1rnd pick LA (or sac 2019)

C: Drummond/Nogueira
PF: Morris/ Yabusele
SF: Hayward/Tatum
SG: Smart/ J Brown
PG: Irving/ Rozier

PF: Horford/Siakam
SG: Powell/McDaniels
PG: Lowry/D Wright

24 Aug 2017 16:58:43
Horford and the LA pick for Drummond and a body? I want whatever it is you're smoking.

24 Aug 2017 18:28:02
I don't this it's terrible Sox fan. Drummond is the exact kind of player that Boston needs and his age fits perfectly with Boston's time line. Horford is 31 and his stats have been slowly creeping down. I think maybe a Boston pick instead of the la pick and then the Raptors throw in a first to Detroit would make sense for everyone.

24 Aug 2017 19:54:51
Would much rather have Horford than Drummond. Horford was a stud in last year's playoffs.

23 Aug 2017 06:02:45
2 possible moves for Cavs now

1. Cavs-Suns-Twolves
-Cavs get Tyson Chandler, and a 2nd rd pick from Suns and Twolves
-Suns get Iman Shumpert, Channing Frye, and Cole Aldrich
-Twolves get Jared Dudley

PG: Thomas, Rose, Felder
SG: Smith, Korver, Calderon
SF: James, Crowder, Osman
PF: Love, Green, Jefferson
C: Thompson, Chandler, Zizic

2. Cavs-Kings
-Cavs get Kosta Koufos
-Kings get Channing Frye and Richard Jefferson

-Sign D-Wade if bought out

PG: Thomas, Rose, Felder
SG: Smith, Wade, Calderon
SF: James, Korver, Osman
PF: Love, Crowder, Green
C: Thompson, Koufos, Zizic.

22 Aug 2017 22:22:53
Cleveland Cavs moves
(If D-Wade is bought out)

•Cavs-Suns-Twolves-Kings trade
-Cavs get Eric Bledsoe, Dragan Bender, Kosta Koufos, and Miami's 2018 1st rd pick (via Suns)
-Suns get Kyrie Irving, Iman Shumpert, Edy Tavares, and a 2nd rd pick (via Twolves)
-Twolves get Jared Dudley
-Kings get Cole Aldrich, Richard Jefferson, and a 2nd rd pick (via Suns)
(This saves the Cavs about 5.5m on salary which would save even more in luxury tax)

-Sign D-Wade 1yr 2.5m (rest of taxpayer MLE)

PG: Bledsoe, Rose, Felder
SG: Smith, Wade, Calderon
SF: James, Korver, Osman
PF: Love, Bender, Green
C: Thompson, Koufos, Frye.

23 Aug 2017 00:13:33
if the Cavs were willing to take a package similar to this it would already be done. I also don't see the Cavs having much interest in Koufos. I doubt they would want to pay him 9 million a year to play 10 minutes a game and then sit the bench in the playoffs. Especially when there are still free agents that could be had for less and do the same thing. Even with Wade, Shumpert would probably play more minutes for almost the same price.

23 Aug 2017 01:57:30
Gut feeling that this trade does not get done.

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