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25 Sep 2017 04:38:35
Crazy offseason so far let's add another move


ORL get BKN pick , Iman Shumpert & Channing Frye

CLE get ORL 1st round pick 2018 (top 7 protected , conditional if they retain the pick next year) & Nikola Vucevic

CLE get a very good big who can rotate with Love and Thompson while still getting a pick giving up BKN pick and removing salaries. ORL could be better than BKN, they get a higher pick and has the chance to get 2 lottery picks if their own falls from 1-7.


Pg Payton/Augustin/Mack
Sg Fournier/Simmons/Afflalo
Sf Ross/Shumpert/Hezonja
Pf Isaac/Gordon/Frye
Ce Biyombo/Speights


Pg Thomas/Rose/Calderon
Sg Smith/Korver
Sf James/Crowder/Jefferson
Pf Love/Green
Ce Thompson/Vucevic/Zizic

25 Sep 2017 04:55:57
Cleveland is not giving up the nets pick for Vucivic and a protected 1st. Not happening.

23 Sep 2017 07:16:34
Ranking the Melo trade options in order
Deadline: 9/25/17
1 . Trade Melo to the Cavaliers for Shumpert, three expirings (Frye, Jefferson, Felder) & 2018 Nets 1st.
PG Thomas / Rose
SG Smith / Korver
SF James / Crowder
PF Love / Anthony
C Thompson / Zizic

2 . Trade Melo to the Blazers for Harkless, three expirings (Davis, Vonleah, Napier) and a future 1st.
PG Lillard - Turner
SG McCollum - Connuaghton
SF Aminu - Layman
PF Anthony - Leonard
C Nurkic - Collins

3 . Houston gives Anderson and a 2nd to Pacers; non-guaranteed contracts/1st to Knicks. Pacers send short-term deals (Jefferson/Stephenson) to Knicks. Knicks trade Melo to Rockets.
PG Paul / Brown
SG Harden / Gordon
SF Ariza / Tucker
PF Anthony / Mbah A Moute
C Capela / Nene

4 . Thunder gives Kanter and a 2nd to Mavericks; Doug McDermott (expiring) to the Knicks. Mavericks Barea, two expirings (McRoberts, Harris) to the Knicks. Knicks trade Melo to Thunder.
PG Westbrook / Felton
SG Roberson / Abrines
SF George / Grant
PF Anthony / Patterson
C Adams / Collison

23 Sep 2017 07:31:37
The Cavs aren't giving up the Nets pick for Melo and it would take more to get the Pacers to take on Andersons contract. A 2nd isn't even almost worth it.

23 Sep 2017 16:51:42
Yeah, no way Cleveland includes the nets pick unless porzingis is included as well (which obviously won't happen) .

23 Sep 2017 18:00:20
Maybe the cavs pick but no way are they trading the Brooklyn pickf for melo.

23 Sep 2017 18:35:52
Indy would want a first

Portland would be a good fit for him.

23 Sep 2017 01:52:38

MIN get Kevin Love
- he'll be a perfect fit on that roster

Pg Teague/Jones
Sg Butler/Crawford
Sf Wiggins/Muhammad
Pf Love/Gibson
Ce Towns/Patton

CLE get Marc Gasol & Cole Aldrich
- versatile big with a terrific defensive and passing skills while keeping the Nets pick
sign DWade (after buyout)

Pg Thomas/Rose/Calderon
Sg Wade/Smith
Sf James/Korver/Jefferson
Pf Thompson/Crowder/Green
Ce Gasol/Aldrich

MEM get Ante Zizic, Channing Frye (exp), Gorgui Dieng, Iman Shumpert & 1st round pick MIN
- Gasol is not getting any younger and their team has no chance of winning a championship so getting 2 young big men for him is a plus

Pg Conley/Chalmers
Sg Baldwin/Evans
Sf Parsons/Shumpert/McLemore
Pf Green/Frye/Wright
Ce Dieng/Zizic

23 Sep 2017 06:43:36
In that scenario Memphis would probably just cut out Min or try and find a better return for Love.

22 Sep 2017 01:35:27
CLE gets DeMarcus Cousins and 2nd rounder

NO gets BKN pick Tristan Thompson and Iman Shumpert.

22 Sep 2017 05:20:07

22 Sep 2017 08:58:14
maybe at the deadline but i'd say this is pretty unlikely right now.

22 Sep 2017 11:08:50
There are maybe a dozen teams who could put together a better offer for Cousins than that one. Shumpert has very little value.

22 Sep 2017 15:23:16
I don't think that this would be the offer, but where were all these great offers for Cousins 6 months ago when teams could have had him for a year and a half Supercollider? I just don't understand this expectation that all of a sudden Cousins value has increased. It will probably play out until the allstar break before they would start shopping him. Trading for him would be a huge risk that only seems worth it for a handful of teams.

22 Sep 2017 22:45:46
I've made my opinion on the Cousins to Cavs for peanuts trade ideas a few times before and agree w SuperCollider.

23 Sep 2017 00:17:14
Dacman, what kind of return are you expecting if it looks like he isn't resigning? The Pelicans got him for peanuts. The 10th pick and Hield, who's 23 and looked like garbage before he got to the Kings isn't much and the Pelicans would be lucky to get anything close to that return for a half year of him.

23 Sep 2017 14:43:49
What does it matter what SAC settled for? What matters is what NOLA can get for him now. And outside the Bkn pick there is no value in that trade. Anyone other than a Cavs fan would see that.

20 Sep 2017 01:41:50

Cavs get Turner, Young

Jazz get Love

Pacers get Nets pick, Favors, Burks , Jazz 1st

20 Sep 2017 16:04:39
I think it would be a great move for the Cavs. Love is solid, but he's not getting any younger, and Turner is currently cheaper. Thad also gives you solid production. The Pacers, if they were ever thinking of moving Turner, get a fantastic return. I don't think the Jazz do this though. As I said, I like Love, but he's not the type of player you're looking for if you're in their situation. He isn't enough to put them over the top, and he's not young enough to start rebuilding around with a blowup.

20 Sep 2017 19:12:11
I think it would be decent for Utah. They need to replace Haywards scoring, Love would be a great fit next to Gobert, and it's not like they're giving up anything all that valuable to them. If they had Love, they'd be garaunteed a playoff spot ( I'd argue Love is better than Hayward) so the pick would be fairly late Favors isn't a good fit next to Gobert. He will be a really expensive back up soon. Burks is decent, but he's always injured and their rotation has fine without him. For the price, I don't see age being a big deal. It's not perfect, but they aren't mortaring their future on Love.

I'm not sure about it for the Cavs on one side, I love Turner. The guy is going to be really good sooner rather than later, but I think for the next year or two Love is still the better option. He can still be an elite scorer and rebounder and has turned into a pretty solid defender (he actually was the best Cavs defender according to real d plus minus for what it's worth) . According to Lou they're going to feature him more on the post. They did that last year in the first quarter of games at times and he looked like Minnesota Love and if the Cavs are starting a rebuild next year he could be worth some decent young players or picks. I also don't like the thought of starting a rebuild and immediately having to give up a max contract to a guy. Starting a rebuild with a top 5 pick is a little riskier, but it keeps cap space open to take on bad contracts and etc. I think the Cavs threaded the needle with the Irving trade. I think this trade does that to an extent, but it seems like this makes them a little worse this year and makes it a little harder to rebuild next year. I also think they could get Young for a protected first, some expirings, and maybe a something else small if they really wanted him.

20 Sep 2017 23:03:11
I would do that trade.
I really like Turner, but i think we should go for a total rebuilt.

I still can't believe we trade PG13 for Oladipo.

20 Sep 2017 23:34:33
i don't dislike this trade.
Maybe if we could trade Favors for antother draft pick.

16 Sep 2017 03:41:27

CLE get Myles Turner, Thad Young

IND get Kenneth Faried, Tristan Thompson, BKN 1st rd pick, DEN 1st round pick

DEN get Corey Joseph, Iman Shumpert

18 Sep 2017 19:35:17
not sure about this one, maybe if we can trade Farried for another draft pick.

16 Sep 2017 00:59:19

MIL get Faried

DEN get Lin

BKN get Monroe

16 Sep 2017 10:26:54
Henson instead of Monroe.

16 Sep 2017 15:04:33
If I'm the Nets, I'm not giving up Lin without a first attached. Monroe isn't going to be part of their future and Lin played fairly well when healthy last year. Lin only has 2 years left on his contract and by the time Brooklyn will actually be able to use cap space, they could have him off the books.

15 Sep 2017 01:46:36
With Memphis' playoff contention appearing to be over it's time to sell high on Gasol and get something for him

Memphis trade: Gasol

Cavs trade: Shumpert, Thompson, Zizic, Nets 1st, Cavs 1st

Memphis obtain a potential top 3 pick, coupled with their own pick to restart the franchise ( plus role players)

Cavs get a 4th all star to compete with the warriors in a spot in which they are weak in, plus with gasol's range, passing and defensive ability allows him to slide smoothly in with cavs.

15 Sep 2017 04:49:56
I don't see the cavs trading the nets pick for anyone other then cousins or davis, and I highly doubt davis gets traded by nop .

15 Sep 2017 05:20:59
I'd rather have gasol than cousins, considering their contracts. You don't trade the nets pick for an all star on an expiring deal.

15 Sep 2017 05:55:49
I don't see them trading for Cousins. Then they would have Thomas, Cousins and James all free agents next year and all can leave and they get nothing.

15 Sep 2017 13:04:48
In my opinion, Gasol is to old to give up the Brooklyn pick for. I don't see Memphis getting that kind of return for him from anyone. That's a better package than players like Butler, George and Cousins ended up netting. All 3 are better and younger players and two of them had 2 years left on their contract, which is what Gasol has left.

15 Sep 2017 13:17:23
I agree with rkenne, giving up that pick is too much for a guy that has turned to the back half of his career. I think if you did that exact package without the Nets pick it would be good for both teams.

15 Sep 2017 18:42:41
Yeah, maybe replace the Nets picks with a Cavs lottery protected 2021 pick, Triangle. Something like Tristan, Shumpert or Frye (Shumpert more useful, but Frye has the better contract) whichever Memphis preferred, then whoever Memphis prefers out of Osman, Zizic, or Felder, the Cavs 2018 pick and the Cavs 2021 pick lottery protected would probably be the best the Cavs would do.

17 Sep 2017 01:59:28
That' nets pick isn't top 3 nets are better than magic bulls hawks atm I believe silver will give bulls it bc there a top market team to make nba $ who should bulls pick if it's first MPJ bagley or doncic?

14 Sep 2017 12:04:33
If Cavs have Shumpert, Frye (exp) & their 2018 own 1st to trade, who would they use them for?

it should be a perimeter defender or a decent back up big

some list,

To Chicago for Robin Lopez?
To San Antonio for Danny Green? highly unlikely though
To Pacers for Thad Young?
To Knicks for Oquinn & Thomas or Lee?
To Mavericks for Wesley Matthews & 2nd?
To Raptors for Valanciunas?
To Bucks for Monroe?
To Hornets for MKG?
To Thunder for Roberson?

any idea guys?

14 Sep 2017 13:34:48
Cleveland's own No.1 will be late 20s at best, so it has little value (in fact, teams would prefer an early 2nd to a late first because first-rounders require guaranteed money) .
That leaves Frye, who is cooked, and Shumpert, who has little value and is at best a lower-rotation player.
Out of your offers I see maybe Valanciunas, but none of the others. But even at that, Valanciunas might tick off James by clogging the lane.

14 Sep 2017 15:50:29
I don't see Val, it would just leave the Raps too thin at the five. I agree Super with your valuation, so maybe Monroe at best, and probably not even him.

13 Sep 2017 10:49:25

Cavs get Whiteside , Singler & Warren


Thunder get Love & Chandler


Suns get Thompson & Heat 1st


Heat get Nets 1st, Thunder 1st & Adams


13 Sep 2017 12:52:17
The Cavs probably get slightly worse here while also giving up the Nets pick.

13 Sep 2017 20:59:48
I don't like it for the thunder. They are losing young adams who still has plenty of time to improve and a 1st round pick for kevin love who often has health problems and is not consistently effective against the warriors which the Thunder would need in the playoffs.

14 Sep 2017 01:05:04
Sun's already have heats pick.

13 Sep 2017 09:26:13

Cavaliers get Whiteside


Heat get Nets pick, Thompson, Ajinca , Etwann Moore


Pelicans get Shumpert


13 Sep 2017 17:18:47
I wouldn't trade the Brooklyn pick straight up for Whiteside, never mind trading Thompson and Shumpert.

10 Sep 2017 15:29:12
Cleveland Recieves- Avery Bradley, Andre Drummond
Detroit Recieves- 2018 Nets first, 2020 Cavs First, Thompson, Tavares, Shumpert, Felder

09 Sep 2017 17:53:12
Bulls: Noah+ shumpert+ 1rnd pick Nets

NY: Jefferson+ D Wade (buyout and sign with cleveland)+ Frye+ Osman

Cleveland: C Anthony+ 2rnd pick NO (from Chicago)

C: T Thompson/ zizic
Pf: K Love/ C anthony
SF: LBJ/J Crowder
SG: Korver/ D Wade
PG:IT/ D Rose

Chicago can draft porter and or Doncic in next year's draft.

NY get capspace so they can go after a big free agent (D Cousins, PG13, Westbrook,...)

09 Sep 2017 18:11:56
Maybe if you swap the nets pick with Clevelands own pick in 2019 (top 5 protected) .

09 Sep 2017 19:33:43
Cleveland takes a screwing in that one.
Cavs should just ride things out with that No. 1 unless James has a change of heart and decides to commit. Otherwise they become the Eastern Conference's version of the Sacramento Kings for the next five years. Especially because the long-term look on Isaiah Thomas is not good.

10 Sep 2017 10:01:03
i reckon if i rubbish in my hands and clapped, allowing the splattered excrement to then hit a piece of paper, thus writing a trade, it would be better than this waste of time you posted here. try again.

10 Sep 2017 10:18:22
lmao the server auto corrected my comment. i didn't say "rubbish" but i guess from the rest you can just surmise what it is that i said.

07 Sep 2017 06:51:59
Hornets-Cavaliers-Spurs-Jazz 4-way

Hornets get Aldridge, Shumpert, Felder

Cavs get D.Green

Spurs get Favors,Batum

Jazz get Marv Will, 1st Cavs

07 Sep 2017 19:34:47
Jazz say no.

08 Sep 2017 15:34:26
Posters sure love to overvalue Spurs' Green. Cavs give up two players plus a first-round pick for a journeyman on the decline? Pass.

08 Sep 2017 17:30:43
Vineman, Danny Green is an elite on ball defender and a great shooter. You're undervaluing Green a ton. He would be a great fit for the Cavs. Felder is worth a 2nd at best and might end up being cut. Shumpert isn't going to play very much this year with the other wings in the Cavs rotation and as long as the pick is protected, it's not a huge loss. Green would be a starter for the Cavs and would fit in nicely between Lebron and IT.

06 Sep 2017 15:43:16
The Cavs get Danny Green and Dudley

The Spurs get Bledsoe and a Cavs 2nd

The Suns get Shumpert, Osman, Frye(waive), Jefferson(waive), Tavares, Murray, Anderson, the Cavs 2021 first lottery protected, the Spurs 2018 first, and a Cavs 2nd.

The Cavs add to excellent 3 and d players who can both guard multiple positions. They also keep the Brooklyn pick potentially giving them chance to make a bigger trade down the road and save 4 million in the process.

The Spurs get what could be their long term answer at pg. They give up Green, but he seems like a guy that they've seen as expendable for a while. Their first should be pretty late and both of the young players that they give up are fairly replaceable.

The Suns get a bundle of assets to continue their rebuild and they'll end up with 7 million in extra cap room next summer (it balloons to over 17 if Shumpert opts out) after the trade.

06 Sep 2017 20:18:22
Not good for the Cavs. No way I'm including draft picks in a deal for two journeymen past their prime.

06 Sep 2017 20:21:09
Not good for the Cavs. No way I'm throwing in any kind of draft picks on a package for two journeymen past their prime.

06 Sep 2017 20:25:48
I don't see what assets the Suns get.
Looks like the Cavs just put all their junk in the back of a dump truck, drive 2,000 miles to the southwest and dump it in Phoenix.

06 Sep 2017 22:33:36
Two late firsts, a second, and a rookie that was an early second rounder is nothing at all? Seems like a few decent assets. They bring in a few contracts as well, but none that are terrible. The worst is shumpert, who's contract is about the same as Dudley.

07 Sep 2017 16:24:36
I'm not sure how the Suns only get junk? Murray and Osman are both solid prospects with upside, they get two firsts, they end up with more cap space next year, and they can bring Anderson and Tavares into camp to see try them out and if they don't like them they're both in the last guaranteed year of their contracts. Neither player they give up looks to be part of their future and another year of tanking makes sense.

As for this not being good for the Cavs, calling Danny Green a journey man is ridiculous. He's probably just under an elite catch shoot player and he's an elite perimeter defender. Dudley is a really good and versatile defender, who also shoots the 3 really well. When a team tries to play small ball against the Cavs, they could realistically with a lineup of Smith Green Crowder Lebron Dudley and would have an elite defensive unit and just let Lebron attack and kick it. you either have to choose to bring an extra defender off of a 40 percent 3 point shooter or let Lebron go one on one with a player to the hole.

06 Sep 2017 01:44:18
Cavs and pelicans

Cavs get Davis and holiday

Pelicans get love, Thomas, shumpert and nets first rounder.

Pelicans can start over. With love and cousin and look to trade cousins mid season for more younger players that will suit there needs. Thomas can finish the season and they can use his salary space for other players. Next season or offseason trade love for more assets.

Cavs finally get another all Star and build with Davis and hopefully James for another few years. They also get a good pg when healthier that can shoot better them most pgs.

Cavs starters


Key bench is rose, smith, fry sounds like a mess to me for the warriors.

06 Sep 2017 23:33:10
Drumroll. We officially have by far the WORST trade idea ever!

07 Sep 2017 03:29:46
Finally get another All-Star? I guess they have been waiting two weeks to make that dream come true. Man, how the mighty have been forgotten (Irving if you're not following) .

07 Sep 2017 12:15:56
Congrats! You've officially offered the stupidest trade offer for AD on the site. They will be emailing you your gift card to Fantasy Island later this week.

07 Sep 2017 12:20:28
That's not close to getting you Davis, but a modified version could get you Cousins. In this case, I'd say throw the pick out, because that's too much for half a season of Boogie, but Love, Thomas, and Thompson for Holiday (in a vacuum) and Cousins could be a good move.

This gives Cleveland a PG for the whole season, and Cousins for the year. I think that's a better power three than they have right now, and it might be enough to keep LeBron happy. If not, Cousins comes off the books, and you're not dealing with the contracts of Love and Thompson. You still have the pick in hand, and plenty of money to work with.

For New Orleans, the flexibility the Cavs are getting is the opposite of what they want. They finally give Davis some stability. You have both Love and Thompson locked in next to Davis for the next few years, which gives you a dynamic frontcourt. You'd also have the ability to bring back Thomas, who's a better all around player than Holiday. you're not winning any championships this season, so you can wait out the injury, and make him happy in the meantime.

Holiday can't be traded until January, which makes a lot of this moot. but in the long run, it could work well for both sides.

07 Sep 2017 12:22:18
Also, Love is a huge downgrade from Davis, and even if the Pels could ditch DMC for expiring deals and picks, while also not resigning IT in the offseason, they still would still have $80M+ on the books for next years, which gives them less than $25M (projected) in cap space and the need to overspend to bring an FA to a mediocre situation that the Pels would qualify as. Add any salary at all in a Cousins del, and factor in draft pick salaries, and the Pels would be likely to add one decent FA, not another star.

I feel bad unloading on you Sivretsolide, but you have got to be one of the worst "GM's" on this site.

07 Sep 2017 12:43:43
It's not the worst trade idea ever. It clearly won't happen. But give it a rest. You aren't funny and it's just trying to hard for something that isn't there.

07 Sep 2017 21:41:05
Hilarious watching you (Hamburger) dole out civility lessons. Especially after reading several of your comments. Man that is rich!

06 Sep 2017 00:22:44

•Cavs get Danny Green
PG: Thomas, Rose, Calderon, Felder
SG: Green, Smith, Osman
SF: James, Korver, Jefferson
PF: Love, Crowder, Green
C: Thompson, Zizic, Frye

•Spurs get Eric Bledsoe, Sean Kilpatrick, and Suns 2nd rd pick
-Sign Andrew Bogut
PG: Bledsoe, Mills, Parker
SG: Kilpatrick, Ginobli, White
SF: Leonard, Gay, Paul
PF: Aldridge, Bertans
C: Gasol, Bogut, Lauvergne

•Nets get Kyle Anderson and Alex Len (s&t)
PG: Russell, Lin, Dinwiddie
SG: Crabbe, LeVert, Whitehead
SF: Carroll, RHJ, Harris
PF: Anderson, Booker, Acy
C: Len, Allen, Mozgov

•Suns get Dejounte Murray, Iman Shumpert, and Cavs 2018 1st
-Trade Jared Dudley for Cole Aldrich and 2nd
PG: Murray, Ulis, Knight
SG: Booker, Shumpert, Reed
SF: Jackson, Warren, Jones
PF: Chriss, Williams, Peters
C: Chandler, Bender, Aldrich.

06 Sep 2017 03:40:00
Terrible for the Suns.

05 Sep 2017 16:43:00

CLE get: Carmelo Anthony, Andre Drummond, and Kyle OQuinn
Sign: Dwayne Wade (after buyout)

pg. Rose/ Thomas
sg. Korver/ Wade
sf. James/ Crowder
pf. Love/ Anthony
c. Drummond/ OQuinn

NYK get: Reggie Jackson, Jon Leuer, Iman Shumpert, and Channing Frye (exp)

pg. Jackson/ Ntilinka
sg. Shumpert/ Baker
sf. THJ/ Thomas
pf. Porzingis/ Leuer
c. Hernangomez/ Frye

DET get: Joakim Noah, Tristan Thompson, JR Smith, Courtney Lee, 2018 1st DP BKN via CLE, and 2018 1st DP CLE (unprotected)

pg. Bradley/ Smith
sg. Smith/ Kennard
sf. Lee/ Johnson
pf. Harris/ Tolliver
c. Thompson/ Marjonovich

05 Sep 2017 17:44:12
2 "bad contracts" (Jackson and Drummond) for 3 "BAD BAD AND REALLY BAD" contracts (Thompson, Smith and Noah). Nice joke, no from D.

05 Sep 2017 18:41:33
top 5 pick, a player SVG been wanting Lee, & another 1st rd pick.

IF Detroit doesn't accept offers like these, & continues to think drummond is a cornerstone player.. they will continue to be stuck in NBA purgatory.

06 Sep 2017 16:45:53
I disagree with one part of your comment Mr Big D. I still think Drummond is a cornerstone piece. He can be a second or third best player on a top 10 team, which is what I'd consider a "cornerstone". Even better, if you build around him, and go youth aside from him, Detroit would be really bad, as he isn't the kid of guy that can carry a team alone, so you have one piece while still building through the draft.

Granted, that's not how Detroit is working, they're building a very average 5-8 seed that will get killed in the playoffs every year. But I don't think trading Drummond is necessary to rebuilding.

05 Sep 2017 02:37:07

Jazz get Marv Will


Spurs get Favors & Batum


Hornets get Aldridge & Green


05 Sep 2017 08:10:10
I would really like to see Batum becomming a Spur! And with the adition of Favors they become younger and more versitale!

05 Sep 2017 11:37:50
Can't see the Jazz offloading Favors for Williams. It's all hands on deck in Utah trying to keep the franchise afloat, and Favors is younger and one of its key players going forward. Don't see how Williams (several years older) is an upgrade.

04 Sep 2017 22:47:44

Bledsoe, Warren, Dudley

For TT, shump, Frye, Bkn pick

Cavs add more depth, cut taxes, can add vet level C for depth, and have a SF in Warren should LBJ bolt.

Suns take on a young center in TT, and add 2 exp deals (assuming By shumps opts out) and will have 2 top 5 picks in next year's loaded draft

05 Sep 2017 01:50:25
No way Cleveland trades the Brooklyn pick unless it's a star level player. Bledsoe doesn't fit that.

05 Sep 2017 02:07:48
Why would the Cavs do that, they will end up having too much PG and no center.

05 Sep 2017 02:35:41
Cavs 1st.

05 Sep 2017 04:46:39
It's not worth the Brooklyn pick and it leaves the Cavs with a long jam at point with 3 point guards who for one reason or another can't play big minutes at sg. Bledsoe might be the only one who can really effectively play shooting guard at all and he's to small to play it against the Warriors. It also leaves the Cavs with no real center on the roster. I think the Cavs will play significant minutes without a center this year (some without a traditional big man at all), but they can't get away with it all the time and absolutely need one on the roster.

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