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14 Oct 2018 04:07:42
Lakers Trade London Ball

Magic Trade Johnathan Issac Jerian Grant 2019 second round pick unprotected

Magic sign Free Agency Patrick McCaw 1yrs 2.1 million

Warriors have 42 hours to match Magic Offer or let him go

14 Oct 2018 06:18:00
Lonzo Ball omg my keyboard.

14 Oct 2018 12:46:01
Issac is worth more than ball.

16 Oct 2018 00:20:39
Who uses a keyboard?

12 Oct 2018 15:51:50
December 15 Trade

Thunder Trade Andre Roberson Alex Abrines Patrick Patterson

Wolves Trade Jimmy Butler

Thunder have better chance to challenge Warriors

12 Oct 2018 20:05:38
No way Minnesota doesn’t have a better offer from someone or it goes that far without Minnesota having something on the table that they have to wait on.

13 Oct 2018 10:00:48
man I dunno if okc would do it, would they really want to make their division rivals that much better? I mean 3 slobs no 1st rd picks and no young prospects for just jimmy? Seems to good for Minnesota.

12 Oct 2018 13:26:55
The Warriors get Butler.

The Timberwolves get Igoudola, looney (or young player of choice not named bell), and 2 1sts

The Warriors rap up the championship and give themselves Durant insurance.

12 Oct 2018 15:39:29
No! Wolves declined that deal I rather Trade him to Rockets or Thunder to Challenge the Warriors.

12 Oct 2018 19:04:59
I don’t want Butler to go to the Warriors and it doesn’t sound like he will, but that would be a pretty competitive package. Also, it would be the best collection of talent ever assembled.

12 Oct 2018 23:48:21
The warriors would not be beaten unless there were multiple injuries with butler.

11 Oct 2018 07:45:51
Wolves send Jimmy Butler,
Suns send Josh Jackson and Tyson Chandler

So I think the Wolves take this in a heartbeat, it’s really a question of would the Suns try to speed up there window for Jimmy. I think Jimmy would work great with Booker as it would be two part time ball handlers who compliment each other really well. Booker provides elite spacing, Jimmy provides slashing and defense. The Suns line up would be:
Booker
Jimmy
Ariza
Ryan Anderson
Ayton.

They could even match up with the Warriors line up of death better than most with one change.

Jimmy/ Steph
Mikal Bridges/ Klay
Booker/ Iggy
Ariza/ Durant
Ayton/ Draymond

Those are 2 line ups with a lot of spacing for Jimmy and Ayton.

11 Oct 2018 16:57:36
I like it. One of the more believable trades I have seen for Butler. Only problem is PHO not one of the teams Butler wants to play for. PHO would want to get a feel for his willingness to re-sign.

Wolves might ask for a draft pick. If Butler agrees to re-sign, it would be worth a 2021 or 2022 1st as well.

11 Oct 2018 22:24:03
ahhh perfect cause booker and Ayton are known to be so much better at defense then kat and Wiggins! Pretty sure jimmy would destroy the young suns team before he got on on the plane there.

05 Oct 2018 14:44:37
Houston gets Butler and Dieng

Minnesota gets Knight (exp), Gordon, Chriss, 2019 1st, and 2021 1st lottery protected

Minnesota probably gets less than they want, but it's a decent package that checks all the boxes.

Houston goes all in and ends up with a team that can beat the Warriors.

05 Oct 2018 16:13:24
Knight isn't an expiring.

05 Oct 2018 17:05:28
My fault on that.

28 Sep 2018 13:47:37
Minnesota trades Butler to New Orleans.

Pelicans get Butler
Timberwolves get Moore, Hill, 2019 1st, and option to swap picks in either 2021 or 2022

Pelicans get a third star to compete for a championship. They can go against both Houston and Golden State

Minnesota doesn't get the best return, but don't take on any bad money. They will be in good cap position over the next couple of years. They also take a chance on Davis leaving New Orleans and getting an opportunity to get a good pick via swap.

28 Sep 2018 19:58:03
Soloman Hill is as close to untradable as any player in the league. Too big of a tird in the punchbowl for this deal.

28 Sep 2018 21:34:00
I can't see Minny taking that deal.

23 Sep 2018 22:10:25
Rockets Trade Eric Gordon Zhou Qui Nene
2020 first round pick

Wolves Trade Jimmy Butler

Rockets will making to finals to beat GSW in 7 Games

24 Sep 2018 01:07:27
Terrible for Minnesota.

20 Sep 2018 05:03:46
Just because Butler wants clippers Knicks and nets doesn't mean he gets it. And I doubt they give up much when they can get him in FA and other teams won't give much for a rental.

Thunder T-Wolves Suns

T-Wolves get Roberson, Warren, thunder 2nd round pick or 1st if necessary.
Thunder get Butler
Suns get Schroder 2nd round pick

Thunder make a killer starting five that will compete with warriors.
T-Wolves get an all defensive player which thibs would like, a good young player in Warren, and a pick.
Suns address their PG need. Warren is a lil better but not much than Schroder they average the same amount of points and are the same age. Schroder being a PG is a better playmaker and gets more assist and is starting caliber which is what they need. They get a 2nd to make it a lil better for them.

20 Sep 2018 17:52:29
This is not a bad idea. Biggest problem is Thunder paying all of their players. They would be by far the largest payroll and luxury tax payments in history in 2019.

20 Sep 2018 04:42:02
Just because Butler wants clippers Knicks and nets doesn't mean he gets it. And I doubt they give up much when they can get him in FA and other teams won't give much for a rental.

Thunder T-Wolves

T-Wolves get Roberson, Schroder, 1st and 2nd pick
Thunder get Butler

Thunder make a killer starting five that will compete with warriors.
T-Wolves get an all defensive player which thibs would like, a starting caliber PG, and a couple of picks.

19 Sep 2018 23:50:15
Could lightning strike twice for the Thunder? They went and grabbed George a little over a year ago when he was "bound" for the Lakers. He was convinced after one season to stay long term. Why not try again with Butler?

Okc gets Jimmy Butler, JaMychal Green
***All in. This bumps their tax bill but it'll be worth it when they beat the Warriors in the western conference finals and make a run at a title.

Grizz get Alex Abrines
***Grizz grab a shooter and a teammate of Gasol from the Spain national team

TWolves get Andre Roberson, Patrick Patterson, Terrance Ferguson, 1st rounder
***I don't think that the Wolves want to send Jimmy to his preferred teams. Those teams may also not want to forfeit talent and try their hand at adding him in FA. Enter the Thunder. They get a first, a defensive ace, a young asset, and a floor spacing 4.

Thoughts?

20 Sep 2018 03:43:11
The T-Wolves will not trade Butler to a division rival.

20 Sep 2018 16:37:21
No it could not.

12 Sep 2018 16:52:29
Deadline deal

The Timberwolves get Gordon, Chriss, Qi, Houston's 1st and a 2nd

Houston gets a super charged version of Ariza on d and a guy that limit what Harden and Paul have to do on offense during the regular season plus give them that third elite offensive player in the playoffs. You could really scale back what Paul has to do during the 2nd half of the regular season and try to get him to the playoffs healthy and rested. If that happens and Butler meshes well with the team, the Warriors might be in trouble.

The Timberwolves get a real player in Gordon and some young talent, if they know Butler is gone.

13 Sep 2018 07:17:01
I like this idea, but I think the trade starting point would be Gordon, Chriss, 2 1st. But Houston would essentially have 120m tied up in 4 players if they resigned Butler.

I would love to see Curry v CP3, Klay v Harden, KD v Butler, Dray v Melo, Boogie v Capela over a 7 game series.

13 Sep 2018 20:20:50
Yeah, I was debating wether it should be 2 1sts or a 1st and a 2nd. I think it all depends on wether teams think he’s likely to resign or not. If there’s a clear favorite it might have ish his value down.

10 Sep 2018 18:56:10
INDIANA PACERS GETS

Adams and Roberson from the Thunder and Aldridge from the Spurs. Adams and Aldridge has three years remaining on their contracts.

SAN ANTONIO SPURS GETS

Young and Bogdanovic from the Pacers.

OKLAHOMA CITY THUNDER GETS BACK

Oladipo and Sabonis from the Paul George Trade and Thunder give the Pacers draft picks in the Future to make this trade complete.


Thunder Starting Lineup

Westbrook
Oladipo
Sabonis
George
Grant


Maybe not perfect but according to the NBA Trade Machine -- Thunder gained 7 wins and with Oladipo and Ferguson handling the Shooting Guard spot and Westbrook and Schroder at the point -- our guards in good hands.

You can give the monies to Sabonis to anchor the Center spot and with Grant and Patterson at the Power Forward spot -- the Thunder has finally got the depth at every position and with Noel backing up Sabonis were set to be a better team than the Rockets and I believe that we don't need 1st Round Picks until 2022 to rebuild. I know this trade is a dream trade for OKC -- but I will face backlash from you guys and believe me if Presti can pull this off -- OKC can challenge the Warriors seriously.

10 Sep 2018 19:02:07
you just gave me a hartattack.
Can you explain me why the Pacers would do this?

10 Sep 2018 19:41:26
The Pacers won’t and shouldn’t trade Oladipo.

10 Sep 2018 19:49:27
Spurs say no.

10 Sep 2018 21:07:38
I love how the trade is essentially "Oops, sorry, we gave you too good of players for Paul George. Could you please give them back and take these two inferior players instead? " OKC fans are hilarious.

10 Sep 2018 21:58:18
Also, it's two separate trades, not one big one:

Young and Bogdanovic for Aldridge (terrible for SA)

Oladipo and Sabonis for Adams and Roberson (horrible for Indy, like hilariously horrible for Indy) . I'd probably take Sabonis over Adams due to Adams bad contract, and Oladipo is lightyears above Roberson.

You're right, you'll get backlash. But that's only because this trade is reeeeealy one sided. Like D_Drainer or MD_StaySmooth one sided.

08 Sep 2018 19:29:40
Lakers Trade Lonzo Ball JaVale McGee

Suns Trade Josh Jackson Tyson Chandler

Suns already has 3 lockdown Defender Small Forwards

Lakers can take down Warriors by adding one Lockdown Defender

08 Sep 2018 23:11:39
Why do suns do it?

09 Sep 2018 14:14:02
Lol you think Joshua Jackson is the key to beating the warriors? Oooook.

08 Sep 2018 03:02:46
Celtics get Porzingis Hardaway Noah buyout
Sixers get Hayward Burke Baker-cut
Knicks get Fultz Reddick Yubesele Ojeleye Bayless-cut Kings 1st Sixer 2nd

Challenge Warriors

Irving/Rozier/Wannamaker
Smart/Hardaway/Dozier
Tatum/Brown/Bird
Porzingis/Morris/Williams
Horford/Baynes/Theis

Challenge Sixers and Raptors

Simmons/McConnell/Burke
Smith/Korkmaz/Shamet
Heyward/Covington/Milton
Saric/Chandler/Pelle
Embiid/Johnson/Muscala

Knicks are now in position to trade Lee and finalize a super team in 2020.

Fultz/Ntilikina/Mudiay
Reddick/Lee/Bayless
Knox/Hezonja/Dotson
Yubesele/Ojeleye/Thomas
Kanter/Vonleh/Robinson

2020 sign Thompson,Jordan Leonard

Fultz/Ntilikina/Ponds-2nd
Thompson/Barrett-1st/Mathews-2nd
Leonard/Little-7th/Dotson
Yubesele/Knox/Ojeleye
Jordan/Robinson/Vonleh

08 Sep 2018 13:51:17
C's don't want the Zinger, he's no use to them . Knicks super team, haha, now that's funny.

08 Sep 2018 15:39:52
Please, C’s would take Zinger in a second if healthy for this deal. It’s Hardaway and Noah that would be why the C’s should say no.

08 Sep 2018 16:28:36
Hayward had a grant hill type of injury and hardaway Noah combined are match his salary. Porzingis for C's bench players kings pick is fair. Of course trade only make sense Porzingis comes back sooner (December) than later.

08 Sep 2018 16:35:46
No 1st rate free agent has went to C's in 25 years, they were traded there. Hayward and horford not 1st rate before u say them. So if 3 stars merge together in NY, ask yourself why not before billy boy.

08 Sep 2018 18:12:33
Grant Hill and Gordon Hayward injuries and surgeries were completely different from each other. The ankle being injured is the only parallel. Hayward didn't undergo microfracture surgery on his ankle last I heard.

08 Sep 2018 23:54:42
Neither did hill the 1st time.

09 Sep 2018 07:40:30
Key word there Tri. Healthy, and that he isn't.

10 Sep 2018 12:24:34
Hill did have micro fracture surgery the first time. That surgery is what triggered the subsequent surgeries and games missed shizzee. Why you got to lie? Google's right in front of you. Chances are you used it to post your lie.

05 Sep 2018 00:33:57
2019 NBA Free Agent

Buyout Timofey Mozgov Contract

Let Nikola Vucevic Terrance Ross Jerian Grant Walk Renounce right

Sign Klay Thompson 2yrs $100 million with no trade clause

Sign Terry Rozier III 2 yrs 30 million

Trade DJ Augustin to Warriors for Patrick McCaw 2019 second round
pick

Draft Zion Williamson

Trade Aaron Gordon Zion Williamson 2020 first round pick unprotected to Pelicans for Anthony Davis

05 Sep 2018 01:08:42
That's too much for Davis, don't buyout Mozgov, trade him with Jarrell Martin plus highly protected 2nd. Pelicans would say yes in a heartbeat.

05 Sep 2018 01:24:05
Bruh you're robbing pelicans Davis is a Superstar u got to give up a star for him guy like Aaron Gordon.

05 Sep 2018 02:09:58
Aaron Gordon is only a star during dunk contests.

05 Sep 2018 03:30:14
Mozgov is a star on his own.

05 Sep 2018 04:39:24
I think Mozgov for Davis and 2 1sts is fair, but the Magic will say no because they are loaded up front.

05 Sep 2018 05:03:57
Yea got to be fair . Gordon is completely the same class as Davis .
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Possibly. in other sports

However in basketball -Gordon , a raw talent that could only wish to evolve into Davis and a mid first doesn’t cut it.

Plus Ross and Vucevic are good nba players why renounce then before a trade?

05 Sep 2018 07:40:42
Don’t think it’s possible for any team to give such a big contract to Klay lol.

05 Sep 2018 15:31:04
True Manu, Klay's max won't be close to that for two years on a new team. His 4 year max is only 139, a two year deal would be in the mid 60's.

05 Sep 2018 20:27:50
Gordon is a mediocre started. And somehow you are paying klay 50 mill a year? Um. You know that’s not possible. Right?

06 Sep 2018 17:38:17
You lost me when you had Klay making 50 a year and somehow you get AD for scraps. Keep dreamin.

04 Sep 2018 01:27:49
2019 NBA Free Agent


Let Nikola Vucevic & Terrance Ross & Jerian Grant Walk renounce right

Buyout Timofey Mozgov Contract

Trade DJ Augustin to Warriors for 2019 second round pick & Cash

Pursue Kyrie Irving & Klay Thompson & Jimmy Butler & Terry Rozier III & Jaylen Brown in Free Agent

04 Sep 2018 05:26:35
Dang Jaylen Brown is not a Free Agent smh 😑.

04 Sep 2018 08:30:54
Why not just trade a game worn jersey from Shaq’s rookie year for the Warriors stars, a pair of Hedo Turkoglu signed shoes for Lebron, and Penny Hardaway’s jock strap for Anthony Davis.

04 Sep 2018 15:35:21
With all the teams that will have cap space next year, I can't see Orlando being any kind of a destination. They could probably overpay Rozier and get him, but the rest of those guys will go to established contenders or big markets I would almost guarantee.

Side note prediction: Rozier gets a massive contract from a bad team, and is one of the worst contracts in the NBA in a couple years.

04 Sep 2018 19:19:25
Why would the warriors take Augustin and his $7M salary?

04 Sep 2018 21:18:42
@RKenne We would need the Penny Jockstrap AND Darrel Armstrongs third grade lunchbox to give up AD-.

04 Sep 2018 21:24:13
Pelicans would also want a copy of Shaq's greatest Christmas song hits along with the Hardaway jockstrap to give up AD.

04 Sep 2018 22:42:06
Come on guys. That jock strap still has 90 percent of the smell left from 96.

31 Aug 2018 15:46:08
4 team trade Sun's, Pistons, Thunder, T-Wolves let me know what y'all think to me this is fair, but I’m a Thunder fan so I'm sure I'm being bias here. which teams say yes and who says no

Suns get Schroder, OKC 2nd round if needed
Lose Warren

They get a starting PG which they need. And a 2nd round pick if they won't do just a player swap. They are both 24 the both average bout the same in points Warrenton 19.6 Schroeder 19.4 Schroder averaged 4.9 more assists which they need a playmaker. Warren averaged 2 more rebounds. The Suns would be losing a lil defense while gaining better playmaking which they need to me it's an even swap. But they get a 2nd if needed.

Pistons get Taj Gibson (exp), Warren, Ferguson OKC 2nd round pick
Lose Griffin

They get 2 young assets one already proven in Warren and a young prospect in Ferguson with good potential. They get cheaper and back under the luxury tax this season and open up about 17mil next year for FA they could then get Leuer and Galloway off the books for next season and be able to offer a 30-34 mil contract. Plus a 2nd round pick.

Thunder get Butler
Lose Schroder, Ferguson, Abrines, 1st round pick, and 1 or 2 2nd round picks

Thunder get another all star and a better attempt at a big 3 or 4 if you count Adams (I do) . If what Butler says is true and he just wants to win OKC is a good place to try with Westbrook and George. OKC would be able to resign him if he will because they would have bird rights so they can go over luxury tax to keep him. They would prob be the most expensive team though.

T-Wolves get Griffin, Abrines, OKC next available 1st round pick
Lose Butler, Gibson

They get an All-star, a young 3 point shooter with an expiring contract, and a 1st instead of letting Butler walk and getting nothing to me that's a good deal. They are losing Gibson who is getting older and his contract is expiring, but thunder throw in the 1st since they are losing Gibson. if they were losing just Butler they wouldn't be getting the first.

OKC sign Brewer and Acy to minimum contracts
OKC lineup
Westbrook/ Felton/
Butler/ Roberson/ Brewer/ Diallo
George/ TLC/ Nader
Grant/ Patterson/ Acy
Adams/ Noel
Thunder would compete with Warriors if they met in playoffs it would not be an easy series for Warriors. If they improved the bench a lil as the season goes and everyone is healthy they could beat them.

31 Aug 2018 16:12:52
Schroder and Abrines have almost not value, Ferguson has minimal value at best, and that first is like 6 years out. You’re just spreading a hugely one sided trade by only slightly bad trades for 3 teams rather than 1 extremely bad trade for 1 team.

31 Aug 2018 22:55:17
So many moving parts to this deal, I'm only going to address the 2 main parts (teams) as to why I don't think this would/ could happen.

For the T-wolves, they are not getting enough for these 2 players. Griffin has had difficulty finishing a season uninjured and he has a Max contract deal. Abrines isn't bad, but he's a long way from proving himself an above average player yet. Finally, the next 1st rounder available for OKC to give is in 2024, that doesn't entice teams that are trying to get something of value so they can win now or in the near future.

As for OKC, that would be a win this year or bust lineup. After this year, Butler would require a Max contract (3 players on one team with Max contracts), Noel will move on or at the very least, require a realistic salary, if so then we have to find a replacement at the league minimum, not to mention Felton is not the person you want driving that 2nd unit against the elite teams in the playoffs, so we would have to find an experienced guard to sign at the league minimum for that position as well.
All that while acquiring the highest team salary and luxury tax in the history of the NBA, not just this year, but for at least the next 4 years.
Ownership would actually eventually lose money and have to find a way to dismantle the team, then start over from scratch.

30 Aug 2018 13:07:54
The Nets get Whiteside, Cook, the Warriors 1st, and a Warriors 2nd

The Heat get Faried(expiring), Harris, and Jones

The Warriors get Winslow

The Nets get some additional picks and take a chance on Whiteside being good.

The Heat save money and get off of Whiteside's contract.

The Warriors get their heir to Igoudola.

30 Aug 2018 19:14:56
Not a bad idea, but I think the warriors 1st should not be involved because the nets’ return is pretty good for what it is. And I don’t think the warriors would put in two picks for a guy who’s a fa next summer.

22 Aug 2018 08:15:35
Cha send: Batum, Biyombo
Receive: Anderson, Asik, Melton
Cut over 10m in salary this year and free cap-space for years to come.

Bulls send: Asik, Holiday
Receive: Biyombo, '19 1st (Hou)
Gain a late 1st for adding a 6m of salary next year.

Hou send: Anderson, Nene, Melton, '19 1st, '23 2nd, 3m cash
Receive: Batum, Holiday
Get some useable players to go against GSW.

Sac send: Pick that won't convey
Receive: Nene, '23 2nd, 3m cash
Use cap space to get a pick

22 Aug 2018 19:39:08
Try MKG in any scenario instead of Batum.

21 Aug 2018 14:29:45
If Butler says there is no way he returns to T-Wolves which he kind of already has but not straight up said it. They won't get any huge offers at trade deadline unless Butler commits to the team he gets traded to which I doubt happens.

At trade deadline if Butler says he is gone and won't commit to anyone trade between thunder magic and T-Wolves.

Thunder get Butler, swap get the worst 2021 1st with T-Wolves
T-Wolves get Fournier, Ferguson, swap get the best of 2021 1st, 2020&2021 2nd round picks from thunder
Magic get Schroder

Wolves get a starting SG to replace Butler, a young prospect in Ferguson (20), the better pick between them and thunder in 2021 and 2 2nd picks. If Butler puts them in a situation where they have no leverage I think this is a good deal for them. They get a couple picks another starting SG and a young prospect I don't see them getting better than that.

Thunder take another shot at a big 3 or big 4 if you count Adams like I do but that's another topic for another time. This time I know Butler works better than Melo. Butler plays defense and knows how to move the ball better than Melo did. Butler has said he wants to win and Thunder is definitely all about winning right now. Butler would give them a fighting chance at Warriors in my opinion, a better chance than Rockets for sure.

Magic do this to get a starting PG. Magic desperately need a good playmaker and Schroder can fill that playmaking position. Schroder's contract isn't that great but it is cheaper than Fournier's so they aren't losing contract wise.

Thunder lineup
Westbrook/ Felton
Butler/ Abrines/ Diallo
George/ Roberson/ TLC/ Nader/ Singler
Grant/ Patterson
Adams/ Noel
They make 1 or 2 trades with 1 or 2 SF to get another bigman and or PG after this trade to even out their depth.

21 Aug 2018 15:53:58
It feels light even for what could be a short rental. That pick is to far down the line and Fournier is arguably not worth the money. I think Ferguson’s value might be getting overstated on here by Thunder fans. I think at most he’s equal to a late first and I think most teams would prefer the late 1st.

21 Aug 2018 16:30:22
@ rkenne_16 Not to mention the Magic get a lousy return.

21 Aug 2018 16:51:48
Yeah, I don't think they get this little from Butler. Look at what Cousins was traded for as a deadline deal. A recent lottery pick and a first. Fournier (a bad contract for a decent player), Ferguson (a fringe rotation player that's young), and a pick swap doesn't do it.

21 Aug 2018 17:04:23
Dacman, maybe, they do need a pg and I think Schroeder only has slightly less value than Fournier. Schroeder is probably the more talented guy, but his other issues diminish that.

21 Aug 2018 21:09:12
Bmiller66 Pelicans got Cousins for a season and a half so you can't compare that package to what Wolves would get for Butler since Butler is only half a season.

21 Aug 2018 22:00:51
My mistake, you're right, he had 1.5 years left. I think the comparison is close though, because Cousins is also a cancer that Butler isn't. Butler could also be compared to George or Leonard.

No matter how you look at it, this is a poor return for Butler. Might as well keep him, and see if he actually walks away from the money.

 
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