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26 Oct 2017 15:13:51
Raptor need shooters and I hate to say it but Powell isn't a great shooter. Package him and JV and a draft pick. To bring in a starting SF with great range.

How about this raptor and warriors

Raptors get Klay Thompson

Warriors get JV powell and first round pick

26 Oct 2017 15:37:27
There's a few guys who could fit that mold for the Warriors, but I'm not sure if I can think of one who would be able to do what Klay does with the same attitude he does. He is a (probable) star, who's willing to take the 4th man role, and still was able to get his numbers with a reduced role after KD came in. That's rare.

26 Oct 2017 15:37:31
Why would GSW do this? Give me one good reason.

26 Oct 2017 15:40:41
That's not a bad move if N Powell signs a reasonable contract and Toronto should give an extra draft pick.
But No way Goldens state does this.

26 Oct 2017 15:56:33
I really hope you aren’t serious, this is one of the worst trades I’ve seen.

26 Oct 2017 16:00:03
Why not Durant?

26 Oct 2017 17:19:34
even if gs has decided they aren't bringing klay back when his contracts up in 2019 (which would be a mistake) this trade is still awful. they could so so much more. like soxfan said, klay’s attitude and skill set is truly a rare find.

27 Oct 2017 17:30:57
Because klay will be getting a max deal and the gsw won't be able to afford that.

29 Oct 2017 18:50:23
Sivretsolide, as long as the owners willing to pay heavy luxury tax, they can bring Klay back and this deal is terrible for GS. JV doesn't fit their pace and space offense. They aren't going to wait around for him to lumber down the court and he is a bad defender. He doesn't have much value given the direction the NBA is going. Powell and what would be a late first have little value as well.

16 Oct 2017 08:58:17
Miami: A Horford+ 1rnd pick clippers and Vancouver

Boston: H Whiteside

I really like Horford and he's a great player for Boston, but they need a defensive center. And they can't take another big contract unless they trade Horford, who's 31 years old, so they should trade him before he becomes a bad contract. They should try to get Gobert first, but Whiteside is a good second if that fails.

The Heat do this, because Dragic and Horford would be a good combo next year that will make the playoffs and they receive two draft picks, so they can develop some young talents and hit the free agent market in 2020

This Boston team could challenge Cleveland and Golden State
Boston:
C: Whiteside/ Ojeleye
PF: Morris/ Yabusele
SF: Hayward/ Tatum
SG: Smart/ Brown
PG: Irving/ Rozier

16 Oct 2017 12:39:42
Vancouver? Memphis moving home?

Don't hate the deal, Boston could use a more traditional Center while Miami is weak at the four. I think the C's will leave it alone for now though.

16 Oct 2017 13:35:38
damn i'm living in the 90's again :-)

16 Oct 2017 13:47:27
The Celtics would have two all nba players, a defensive center, that's a borderline all star. Two young talents on the bench, that could make the difference, when the stars are resting. And smart is playing for a bigg contract.
And they keep the Lakers pick, so they could draft an extra asset next year. (The Memphis pick is top 7 protected and the Clippers pick is lottery protected, so it's not a big lose) .

Horford is important, but they lost J Crowder and A Bradley.
The Celtics would have no proplem scoring. Irving and Hayward can both score and pass the ball, so horford's passing skills and 3-point shot would be less important (And Cleveland couldn't beat GS with Love, so Horford would propaply fail too against GS's system. )
You can't win a chamionship withoud defense.
Whiteside is a great rimprotector, so i believe he's the missing link for Boston.

16 Oct 2017 15:01:51
Gasupo, I'm not sure how you can put the finals loss on Love. He played reasonably well. The Cavs were just out manned. Guarding Curry and Durant, while not being able to come off Thompson is almost impossible even with great perimeter defenders. The Cavs had mediocre perimeter defenders at best. Not to mention that the Warriors defense is really good and they had the personnel to hold the Cavs shooters in check some what.

16 Oct 2017 15:50:14
I don't blame K Love for the loss, but he couldn't make the difference.
K Love or Horford can't hurt Golden state, because D Green will get his rebounds and he will get his passes to Curry, durant And Thompson. Every rebound Whiteside gets is a rebound Green can't pass to KD, Curry or Thompson.

16 Oct 2017 15:58:01
Hayward can guard Thompson
Irving can guard Curry
And Smart can guard Durant
Whiteside can guard D Green
Smart can't shoot, so KD, curry, Thompson can also guard Irving, Morris and Hayward.
They have an equal starting five on defence and offence

J Brown could guard Iguodala, so Boston would have a chance if Tatum and J Brown both develop offensive skills.

16 Oct 2017 16:18:16
Irving can't guard Curry, Durant probably has 9 inches on Smart, and Whiteside would struggle guarding Green on the perimeter and guarding Green would keep him away from the basket most of the time which is where he's most effective.

16 Oct 2017 16:20:54
Also, look at Love's rebounding in the finals. He and Lebron probably had 2/ 3s of the Cavs rebounds.

16 Oct 2017 17:21:36
id be happy with this return as miami. i think whiteside has pretty much hit his ceiling so miami should take this offer while his value is high. its hard to tell what miami’s franchise goals are rn, but the two picks are quite useful and horford is a great addition skills and leadership-wise. and i agree with op, a defensive big is boston’s biggest hole, and whiteside is a great B-option if gobert is out of reach.

20 Oct 2017 13:56:28
I understand Whiteside has a solid skill set that the Celtics are lacking, but he's a horrible fit for them on the offensive side. The way Stevens runs his system is with ball movement and spacing. Whiteside is the absolute antithesis of this philosophy. He has no range at all, and is a bigger ball stopper than any of the ball hogs in the league.

07 Oct 2017 13:56:34
The Cavs get Aldridge, Green, and Young

The Pacers get Smith, Tavares, Jefferson, Felder, Zizic, a Spurs 1st, and 2nd

The Spurs get Thompson, Frye, Osman and the Brooklyn first

The Cavs bring in 3 guys that will help them win now. Green would be a great fit at Sg for the Cavs, Young would be an upgrade at the back up pf and has a similiar style play to Jeff Green, and Aldridge gives them a 4th allstar and player that the Warriors may struggle with given the attention they would have to give the rest of the Cavs weapons.

The Pacers take on a bad contract in smith, but get back a nice package of assets to help in a rebuild.

The Spurs need to shake things up. In a league that's turning into an arms race they have fallen behind. This opens up more cap space for them next summer, gives them a young centern who can start, gives them a top pick in the draft for Pop to mold, and I think Pop could turn Osman into better version of Danny Green.

07 Oct 2017 20:34:03
sounds alright for the cavs if aldridge and green are really how they want to spend the bk pick. but this move doesn’t make much sense for the spurs if they are trying to contend this year, no denying the bk pick is great for their future but i think this trade decreases their chances in the west for this season. also, the pacers are taking a lot of garbage just to get late 1st and 2nd rounders.

07 Oct 2017 21:00:16
For the Pacers Zizic is a solid prospect who probably would have went in the first round had he come out this year rather than a few years ago, they get a first and second, Felder and Tavares both probably get looks and if they don't like what they see they're in the final guaranteed years of their contracts. Jefferson is in his last guaranteed year and could be a cheap veteran to help with the lockerroom. Smith's contract is really the only negative asset they take on.

For the Spurs, I don't think they can compete with the top of the West either way and Aldridge and Green both don't seem to be in their long term plans. They get to cash I. Now and add 2 solid pieces, while also getting a potential star in the draft and maintaining a ton of cap room to go out and get another star to go with Leonard.

09 Oct 2017 21:29:18
Pretty solid all the way around. If there was maybe someone on the light end it might be the Spurs but overall a solid proposal.

04 Oct 2017 04:53:21
Utah Jazz trade: Derrick Favors, Alec Burks, and 2018 Utah Jazz first-round draft pick
Utah Jazz receive: Al Horford

In an attempt to compete for a playoff spot in the loaded Western Conference, the Jazz trade two semi-young, potential-filled players who really struggled last year while battling with injuries, along with a first-round pick, for a proven star-level player who would undoubtedly fit in very well alongside Rudy Gobert. Horlord is a player who can do a little bit of everything and has proven to be very consistent throughout his years in the league. Should Favors and Burks never return back to their 2015-16 form, this trade would turn out to be a steal for the Jazz.


Boston Celtics trade: Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Al Horford, Aron Baynes, Abdel Nader, 2018 Los Angeles Lakers first-round draft pick/2019 Sacramento Kings first-round draft pick, 2018 Boston Celtics first-round draft pick, and 2019 Memphis Grizzlies first-round draft pick
Boston Celtics receive: Anthony Davis, DeMarcus Cousins, Alexis Ajinca and Tony Allen

Before I go any further, I feel compelled to mention that this trade would be contingent upon, at minimum, Cousins verbally agreeing to stay in Boston beyond 2018. With that being said, the Celtics are receiving the future of the NBA in 24-year-old Davis and another superstar in 27-year-old Cousins, so yes, they would have to give up an arm and a leg to pair those two alongside all-stars 25-year-old Kyrie Irving and 27-year-old Gordon Hayward. Wiping out their two young studs and most of their future assets (draft picks) would undoubtedly hurt Danny Ainge to the very core, but the "consolation prize" he would receive would be worth the hurt. Davis and Cousins would give him a 'Big Four' to probably pass the Cleveland Cavaliers as the best team in the Eastern Conference and challenge the older Golden State Warriors for the NBA championship for years to come. Ajinca and Allen would provide the team additional depth for the inevitable championship run the team would make.


New Orleans Pelicans trade: Anthony Davis, DeMarcus Cousins, Alexis Ajinca, and Tony Allen
New Orleans Pelicans receive: Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Derrick Favors, Alec Burks, Aron Baynes, Abdel Nader, 2018 Los Angeles Lakers first-round draft pick/2019 Sacramento Kings first-round draft pick, 2018 Utah Jazz first-round draft pick, 2018 Boston Celtics first-round draft pick, and 2019 Memphis Grizzlies first-round draft pick

The Pelicans have been struggling, struggling, and struggling some more to build a competent team around Davis. Even with the addition of Cousins, the Pelicans struggled beyond the all-star break to compete at a playoff level. There is no better time to trade Davis than now, and no team with more to offer the Pelicans for the services of Davis and Cousins than the Celtics. The package the Pelicans would receive in this trade would be very hard to pass up. Tatum and Brown are both extremely young and overflowing with potential. Both can be all-stars in future if provided the appropriate opportunities. Favors was an above average starting power forward two seasons ago before struggling, due to injuries, this past season. Burks was in a similar situation, although he was never as talented as Favors. Any type of resurgence from either player (which is likely due to the fact that both should be recovered from their injuries following this offseason) would allow the Pelicans to either build around them or flip them for more younger prospects. Finally, the Pelicans would receive a slew of first-round draft picks around which they could build around. The Lakers/Kings draft pick could be a top five pick, either in 2018 or 2019, and should undoubtedly be in the top 10. The Jazz and Grizzlies picks should fall somewhere between the 10-20 range, but could be higher depending on how the two teams perform. Finally, the Celtics draft pick would probably fall somewhere in the 25-30 range upon the execution of this trade, where quality players still exist if scouted well. It would be hard for the Pelicans to receive a better offer for any combination of Davis and Cousins at any point over the upcoming seasons than this one.

04 Oct 2017 10:13:38
aside from NO moving davis and boogie together, nothing else is really outrageous about these trades. could work out in the long run for the pels if they draft right.

04 Oct 2017 10:34:11
i think i would prefer a version of this trade where boogie and one of brown/ tatum (i think i'd choose brown) stay put. i just can't see davis and boogie ever really thriving together especially alongside someone like kyrie who should be a primary scorer.

04 Oct 2017 13:09:05
Agree with donadamsky that trading for both would be kind of dumb since the experiment would have failed for NO already. I think they would be better off trying to keep Tatum or Brown. They need an another wing and guy who can turn in to an elite perimeter defender.

I also don't like this for Utah. They need a number one scoring option, but that isn't Horford. He would be a decent fit next at pf for them, but I'm not sure this even guarantees them a playoff spot. Horford is on a huge contract for 3 more years and by the end of it, he won't be worth the money. The Jazz are a fairly young team. I think they would be better off going through a mini rebuilding around Gobert or a complete rebuild.

This is a solid return for NO, but I'm still don't think they'll want to move Davis anytime in the near future.

04 Oct 2017 16:15:50
I can't imagine the Pelicans moving Davis without getting both Tatum and Brown back.

05 Oct 2017 16:55:46
Hilarious. The Pelicans have been "struggling" Boogie and A. D. have played a whopping 15 games together since last season. And half of those are Holiday yet all of you think New Orleans is going to dump A. D.? Let me help you guys out with this. You do NOT trade a once in a generation player for mediocre to average pieces. If so i might propose this trade


Celtics fans really have a knack for thinking the rest of the league owes them their Superstars

Pathetic trade idea.

07 Oct 2017 15:01:14
Dacman, that's four really good trade pieces (Brown, Tatum, La/ Sac and Memphis) and a few mediocre ones (Favors, Utah pick, Boston pick, Nader, and Burke) as well without having to take on much long term salary. I don't think NO should trade Davis anytime soon, but theoretically if they did, this would be a great haul. There isn't a team in the league that would be willing to give up more than that that has the pieces to do it.

02 Oct 2017 06:51:45
Nuggets trade: Emmanuel Mudiay, Juan Hernangomez, and Darrell Arthur
Nuggets receive: Jeff Teague

The Nuggets have an excellent, balanced offense that's missing one key part: an efficient facilitator at the point guard position. Teague is by no means a great player, but he is a good player who can do a control an offense very, can do a little bit of everything, and doesn't turn the ball over too much. This is exactly what the Nuggets need if they want to make the playoffs during Millsap's tenure with the team. Although Hernangomez and Arthur figure to spell the starters some productive minutes off the bench, they are expendable. Mudiay, following a poor 2015-16 rookie season, regressed even more during the 2016-17 season and is looking more and more like a bust. After Jamal Murray's prolific rookie season, the Nuggets can afford to give up on Mudiay in favor of a veteran point guard.


Cavaliers trade: Jae Crowder, Iman Shumpert, Channing Frye, and Brooklyn's 2018 first-round draft pick
Cavaliers receive: Jimmy Butler

The Cavaliers' front office will essentially be in panic mode all season long due to LeBrom James' unwillingness to commit to the franchise beyond this upcoming season. They should be ready to pull out all the stops to assure that he stays. Getting a healthy, 2017 clone of Isaiah Thomas would help wonders in achieving that goal, but acquiring Butler without giving up much short-term relevant assets in return would help even more. 28-years-old and currently smacked dab in the middle of his prime, Butler's presence in Cleveland beyond this year would make it very difficult for James to find a better situation, in terms of a team with a talented roster and enough cap space to sign him, entering free agency in 2018. Losing Crowder would hurt, and maybe even Shumpert and Frye would provide some depth to this Cavaliers' 2017-18 roster, however, acquiring Butler would more than make up for those loses. Not to mention, trimming over $5 million off this year's payroll would be music to Dan Gilbert's ears. Even if the worst were to happen and James were to leave following the conclusion of the upcoming season, rebuilding around Love, Butler, and Thomas, all still in their late 20s, would not be the worst thing in the world.


Bucks trade: Giannis Antetokounmpo and Mirza Teletovic
Bucks receive: Andrew Wiggins, Jae Crowder, Juan Hernangomez, Channing Frye, Brooklyn Nets' 2018 first-round draft pick, and Oklahoma City Thunder's 2018 first-round draft pick

Giving up Antetokounmpo prior to him even hitting his prime years would be probably the most difficult decision the Bucks would have to make since they traded Karrem Abdul-Jabbar in 1975. However, if they were to panic and decide that it's time to trade him when his value is maximized, this would be a very good package to receive in return? Wiggins is expected to be a future perennial all-star and one of the best, if not the best, scorers in the league. The Nets' draft pick should easily land somewhere in the top five in next year's loaded draft, and has a chance to become the top pick in the draft. Crowder is still young, a very solid contributor, and playing on a great contract that team could either use for the foreseeable future or flip to another team for either another younger player or for a draft pick. Hernangomez and the Thunder draft pick would add to the Bucks' solid, young crop of talent while Frye's expiring contract would save the team some money in the future and would allow the team to flip him before this upcoming season's trade deadline, should he build up any trade value over the season.


Timberwolves trade: Jimmy Butler, Andrew Wiggins, Jeff Teague, and Oklahoma City Thunder's 2018 first-round draft pick
Timberwolves receive: Giannis Antetokounmpo, Emmanuel Mudiay, Darrell Arthur, Mirza Teletovic, and Iman Shumpert

The Timberwolves would undoubtedly receive the grand prize of this trade in 22-year-old Antetokounmpo who, along with Karl-Anthony Towns, would form the scariest, most potential-filled duo ever assembled. Both players are true unicorns at their respective positions (both can easily play multiple positions) and have 'future MVP' written all over their foreheads. The Timberwolves would be giving up 60% of their projected starting line-up to receive him, all of whom are either former, current, or future all-stars, which is exactly the type of package it would take to get Antetokounmpo. Mudiay has severely underperformed since being drafted by the Nuggets, but he is only 21-years-old and would be given every opportunity over the remaining two seasons of his rookie-scale contract to prove that he belongs in the league as a starter. The second purpose behind the Timberwolves making this trade would be the flexibility it would allow them to have during the 2019 offseason, when the contracts of Taj Gibson, Cole Aldrich, Jamal Crawford, Nemanja Bjelica, and fellow newcomers Arthur, Teletovic, & Shumpert would come off the team's salary cap payroll. The subtraction of those contracts (plus the possibility of removing Mudiay's and Tyus Jones' qualifying offers if they so desired) would provide the team with roughly over $32.7 million to spend in free agency, taking into account the projected $108,000,000 salary cap for the 2019-20 NBA season. Although players such as Eric Bledsoe, Klay Thompson Butler, Kevin Love, and Marc Gasol with be available during that offseason, the two players the team would really have their eyes on would be Kyrie Irving and Kawhi Leonard, who would be 27-years-old and 28-years-old respectively. Either one of these players would give the Timberwolves undoubtedly the scariest threesome the league has seen since, well, this year's Golden State Warriors.

02 Oct 2017 08:00:44
This is so confusing. Why in the world would those teams make such deal. Well, i will give you props for your effort but no way this kind of deal could ever happen.

02 Oct 2017 08:01:01
This is so confusing. Why in the world would those teams make such deal. Well, i will give you props for your effort but no way this kind of deal could ever happen.

02 Oct 2017 09:12:26
The Bucks turn that down. Giannis is easily a top ten player and has the potential to become a perennial MVP and dpoy candidate. It would take a stupid offer to pull him away from the Bucks.

I think the Timberwolves would have to take a long loo at it, but that's a lot to give up. In the short term their team gets worse.

It's fairly solid for the Cavs and Nuggets. Although, I'm not sure why the Nuggets really even need to be apart of this.

02 Oct 2017 20:05:13
ok, i get it, the goal here is blockbuster of the century. likelihood of this ever happening aside, its a pretty good deal for everyone but the bucks. swap out wiggins for kat, and the bucks add something else (parker, monroe. ), and this trade is the perfect paradigm shatterer. hell, maybe jokic goes to min and denver gets the additional bucks offering.

02 Oct 2017 21:48:08
update to my above comment: teague stays in min, IT goes to den, cle keeps crowder.

30 Sep 2017 17:57:53
Cavs get Rudy Gobert

Jazz get Tristan Thompson, Richard Jefferson, and the Nets pick

The Cavs address their biggest weakness with this trade: defense. Gobert is the best defensive big man in the NBA at the moment and has upside considering his youth. Gobert also gives the Cavs a big advantage at the 5 over Golden State. Gobert gives the Cavs a legitimate chance at dethroning GSW.

The Jazz just lost their best offensive player in free agency and watched the rest of the western conference get better. They could build around Gobert and hope he develops into the kind of player who can lead a team to a chip (which is unlikely) or they could opt to rebuild. This trade gives the Jazz what will almost certainly be a top 5 pick in a very talented class with the Nets pick. Plus losing Gobert will make the Jazz one of the worst teams in the NBA so they could come away with two top 5 picks in 2018 to kickstart their re-build. Imagine if they get the top two picks and land Marvin Bagley III and Michael Porter Jr.

01 Oct 2017 08:34:45
Cavs and Celtics fans swear that every gm is at their disposal for stealing player on this site more any elite teams.

01 Oct 2017 13:15:24
It would take more than that to get Gobert. The Cavs would have to give up Osman, Zizic, Thompson, The Brooklyn first, and one of their own firsts just to make it a conversation.

26 Sep 2017 18:56:31
golden state: A Davis

NO: K Thompson+ Pachulia

26 Sep 2017 19:10:49
Warrior would not do this, doesn't make sense for them.

26 Sep 2017 19:11:19
Davis is significantly younger, better, and controlled for more year this is terrible for NO. Maybe if it were Cousins it would make sense for them, but I don't think a Cousin's for Klay's swap is worth the risk for GS.

26 Sep 2017 19:39:26
No knock on Klay but replace A. D. with him and a 4th Center? Come on Man! AD is worth far more anyway.

15 Sep 2017 01:46:36
With Memphis' playoff contention appearing to be over it's time to sell high on Gasol and get something for him

Memphis trade: Gasol

Cavs trade: Shumpert, Thompson, Zizic, Nets 1st, Cavs 1st

Memphis obtain a potential top 3 pick, coupled with their own pick to restart the franchise ( plus role players)

Cavs get a 4th all star to compete with the warriors in a spot in which they are weak in, plus with gasol's range, passing and defensive ability allows him to slide smoothly in with cavs.

15 Sep 2017 04:49:56
I don't see the cavs trading the nets pick for anyone other then cousins or davis, and I highly doubt davis gets traded by nop .

15 Sep 2017 05:20:59
I'd rather have gasol than cousins, considering their contracts. You don't trade the nets pick for an all star on an expiring deal.

15 Sep 2017 05:55:49
I don't see them trading for Cousins. Then they would have Thomas, Cousins and James all free agents next year and all can leave and they get nothing.

15 Sep 2017 13:04:48
In my opinion, Gasol is to old to give up the Brooklyn pick for. I don't see Memphis getting that kind of return for him from anyone. That's a better package than players like Butler, George and Cousins ended up netting. All 3 are better and younger players and two of them had 2 years left on their contract, which is what Gasol has left.

15 Sep 2017 13:17:23
I agree with rkenne, giving up that pick is too much for a guy that has turned to the back half of his career. I think if you did that exact package without the Nets pick it would be good for both teams.

15 Sep 2017 18:42:41
Yeah, maybe replace the Nets picks with a Cavs lottery protected 2021 pick, Triangle. Something like Tristan, Shumpert or Frye (Shumpert more useful, but Frye has the better contract) whichever Memphis preferred, then whoever Memphis prefers out of Osman, Zizic, or Felder, the Cavs 2018 pick and the Cavs 2021 pick lottery protected would probably be the best the Cavs would do.

17 Sep 2017 01:59:28
That' nets pick isn't top 3 nets are better than magic bulls hawks atm I believe silver will give bulls it bc there a top market team to make nba $ who should bulls pick if it's first MPJ bagley or doncic?

09 Sep 2017 00:41:29
Knicks - Thunder

Knicks gets:
Kanter
McDermott
Singler
Ferguson
2018 2nd Bulls (via Thunder)
2019 2nd Thunder
2019 swap right
2022 1st rd pick (top 5 protected)

Thunder gets:
Anthony
O'Quinn

Knicks move on from Melo and get a 1st rd pick, two 2nd round picks and a swap right (not likely) in return.

Thunder go all in to get PG13 and Russ to stay in OKC. With this move they can challenge Golden State in the conference finals.

09 Sep 2017 01:13:14
Yes I agree they can challenge to meet the warriors in the conference finals and get destroyed.

09 Sep 2017 12:56:37
Knicks aren't shedding Melos expiring contract for kanters terrible contract and a 1st 5 years away. Just stop.

09 Sep 2017 17:01:42
Both Melo and Kanter will opt in next year. Not enough money on the market for them to become free agents.

13 Sep 2017 03:48:25
Thunder giving up way too much picks.

07 Sep 2017 18:10:47
Klay Thompson to Suns
Jackson,Bender,Warren to Warriors

07 Sep 2017 19:46:29
The Warriors would have to think about it. I'm not sure if it's worth breaking up their big 4 for. It looks like they'll be able to keep their core together for a long time.

For the Suns, it doesn't seem worth it. Thompson is going to be 28 this season and their best player is a sg, which would be Klay's best position. Even with Thompson, they probably aren't better than a first round out, if that. They're better off continuing to rebuild for the next two years. They already have a nice group of young players. If they can add a top 5 pick from this years draft, they could end up with 3 future all stars.

07 Sep 2017 22:22:31
I think the Warriors will hold on to Thompson at least for this season to make another run, so I don't see a scenario in which he's dealt, unless it's for something stupid good and offers the short term impact that he offers.

I do agree with rkenne as well regarding the Suns end. Klay is possibly outside of Phoenix' window for competing.

06 Sep 2017 01:44:18
Cavs and pelicans

Cavs get Davis and holiday


Pelicans get love, Thomas, shumpert and nets first rounder.


Pelicans can start over. With love and cousin and look to trade cousins mid season for more younger players that will suit there needs. Thomas can finish the season and they can use his salary space for other players. Next season or offseason trade love for more assets.



Cavs finally get another all Star and build with Davis and hopefully James for another few years. They also get a good pg when healthier that can shoot better them most pgs.

Cavs starters

Holiday
Crowder
James
Davis
Thompson

Key bench is rose, smith, fry sounds like a mess to me for the warriors.

06 Sep 2017 23:33:10
Drumroll. We officially have by far the WORST trade idea ever!

07 Sep 2017 03:29:46
Finally get another All-Star? I guess they have been waiting two weeks to make that dream come true. Man, how the mighty have been forgotten (Irving if you're not following) .

07 Sep 2017 12:15:56
Congrats! You've officially offered the stupidest trade offer for AD on the site. They will be emailing you your gift card to Fantasy Island later this week.

07 Sep 2017 12:20:28
That's not close to getting you Davis, but a modified version could get you Cousins. In this case, I'd say throw the pick out, because that's too much for half a season of Boogie, but Love, Thomas, and Thompson for Holiday (in a vacuum) and Cousins could be a good move.

This gives Cleveland a PG for the whole season, and Cousins for the year. I think that's a better power three than they have right now, and it might be enough to keep LeBron happy. If not, Cousins comes off the books, and you're not dealing with the contracts of Love and Thompson. You still have the pick in hand, and plenty of money to work with.

For New Orleans, the flexibility the Cavs are getting is the opposite of what they want. They finally give Davis some stability. You have both Love and Thompson locked in next to Davis for the next few years, which gives you a dynamic frontcourt. You'd also have the ability to bring back Thomas, who's a better all around player than Holiday. you're not winning any championships this season, so you can wait out the injury, and make him happy in the meantime.

Holiday can't be traded until January, which makes a lot of this moot. but in the long run, it could work well for both sides.

07 Sep 2017 12:22:18
Also, Love is a huge downgrade from Davis, and even if the Pels could ditch DMC for expiring deals and picks, while also not resigning IT in the offseason, they still would still have $80M+ on the books for next years, which gives them less than $25M (projected) in cap space and the need to overspend to bring an FA to a mediocre situation that the Pels would qualify as. Add any salary at all in a Cousins del, and factor in draft pick salaries, and the Pels would be likely to add one decent FA, not another star.

I feel bad unloading on you Sivretsolide, but you have got to be one of the worst "GM's" on this site.

07 Sep 2017 12:43:43
It's not the worst trade idea ever. It clearly won't happen. But give it a rest. You aren't funny and it's just trying to hard for something that isn't there.

07 Sep 2017 21:41:05
Hilarious watching you (Hamburger) dole out civility lessons. Especially after reading several of your comments. Man that is rich!

03 Sep 2017 16:00:21
Mid-Season Trade
Nets get:
F Kevin Love

Pistons get:
C Tristan Thompson
F Trevor Booker (expiring)
G D'Angelo Russell
G Caris LaVert
18' Nets 1st Round Pick via Raptors

Cavaliers get:
C Andre Drummond
G Avery Bradley (expiring)
F Rondae Hollis-Jefferson

Scenarios
Nets: Russell shows much of the same as in Year 2. Nets pair him with two of their young wings and the Raptors pick for Kevin Love, a borderline All-Star in the Eastern Conference.
Pistons: Drummond doesn't step up his defensive ability. They move on from his contract and get a cheaper replacement in Thompson, a younger guard than Jackson in Russell, and a potential long term option at the SG or SF position in LaVert. If they are not in the playoff picture and they realize Bradley won't resign, they'll be glad to take a pick for him.
Cavaliers:
They upgrade their center position with acquiring Drummond and get more equipped to defend the Warriors with Bradley and RHJ. They can start Thomas/Bradley/Crowder/LeBron/Drummond and if the Warriors go small, they can input RHJ or maybe even Dwyane Wade if he's bought out. I doubt the Cavaliers will move the Nets pick if they don't know LeBron's future.

03 Sep 2017 16:58:58
I'm not saying he's not more valuable, but I doubt the Cavs would move Love for Drummond straight up and I don't think anything they get back is worth giving up the Brooklyn pick for. It's a pretty terrible deal for the Cavs.

03 Sep 2017 17:28:43
Looking at it more, it's pretty terrible for Brooklyn too. Love is really good, but they still aren't a playoff team with him. Why give up some of their best young players for him? This really only makes sense for the Pistons who get an absurd return on Bradley and Drummond.

02 Sep 2017 09:59:58
I know I am going to get unbelievable for this. But i think it should work otherwise i wouldn't post it. Why wouldn't it work?

In the middle of the season, if the Pels lose and eventually Boogie isn't working out for the team or AD trade:

Tristan Thompson + 1st Round Pick (BKN)

For Cousins

Finally a team that can challenge the Warriors.

Thomas
Smith
Lebron
Love
Cousins

Rose
Shumpert
Korver
Crowder
Frye

What a finals it would be.

02 Sep 2017 14:24:12
The Brooklyn pick is insurance against LeBron walking away after this season. If they let the pick go for Boogie and Bron-Bron skates again, the Cavs basically become a Rust Belt version of the old Kings with a pissed-off Cousins in the middle of it all.
But you never know. James makes most of the personnel decisions now anyway, and he could blackmail the Cavs into dealing the pick. He's hardly averse to doing something like that.

02 Sep 2017 14:46:51
Yeah, Too bad it won't be happening.

02 Sep 2017 14:47:45
It's possible if the Pelicans struggle and/ or think they're going to lose him. I'm not sure that would be the package though. That would probably be best case scenario for the Cavs. If they acquire Cousins, they would have move TT before next year to save money, but NO might be more interested in the Cavs expiring contracts plus the pick and Some combination of Zizic, Osman and Felder.

02 Sep 2017 16:40:36
I honestly don't think the Nets pick will be dealt unless Lebron agrees to an extension because of the player we picked up in a trade with the pick or the Cavs feel it's a last ditch effort to impress Lebron and they feel no other option but to do this whether is because of injury or something and a need needs to be filled.

28 Aug 2017 04:58:12
MEM/OKC/CLE

MEM get Enes Kanter , Doug McDermott , Tristan Thompson , 2nd from OKC , 1st from OKC & Cavs own 1st 2018
- replace Gasol with 2 young big men while adding 2 picks at the process

Pg Conley/Chalmers
Sg Baldwin/Evans
Sf Parsons/McDermott/McLemore
Pf Thompson/Rabb
Ce Kanter/Wright

OKC get Jamychal Green (s&t) & Iman Shumpert
- finally get a starting PF who is a workhorse and versatile enough to challenge Warriors. This team has a very good potential to be one of the best defensive teams in the league
- sign Thomas Robinson

Pg Westbrook/Felton
Sg Roberson/Shumpert/Ferguson
Sf George/Abrines/Huestis
Pf Green/Patterson/Collison
Ce Adams/Robinson/Johnson

CLE get Marc Gasol
- get a more competitive roster with a more versatile big man

Pg Thomas/Rose/Calderon
Sg Crowder/Smith
Sf James/Korver/Jefferson
Pf Love/Green
Ce Gasol/Frye/Tavares

28 Aug 2017 21:47:51
okc and memphis says no.

27 Aug 2017 18:32:05
2 trades and 2 free agent signings the Pistons can do to be more competitive

(TRADE 1)
Pistons get:
(GS)
SG K. Thompson

Mavs get:
(GS)
PG P. McCaw + '19 2nd (DAL pick)
(DET)
PF H. Ellenson

Warriors get:
(DET)
PG R. Jackson + '18 1st (UP)
(DAL)
SG S. Curry

Pistons add a star player who helps in an area the pistons lack in production (3 point %). They insert him at SG while Bradley moves over to PG. They give up Jackson, Ellenson and 2018 1st round pick to do so.

Mavs add McCaw who would fill the void of Curry at SG but comes off the bench. They also add a future replacement for when Nowitski retires and resembles a similar play as a decent 3 point shooter for a PF. They also get back their 2019 2nd round pick they traded to the Warriors ahwile ago.

Warriors add Jackson who can be a reliable piece off the bench or move to SG. They also get an unprotected 1st round pick next year from the Pistons. They also get Steph Currys little brother who also is a good 3 point shooter and can go to SG.

SALARIES match for incoming and outcoming salaries.

Pistons recieve $17,826,150
Pistons send out $17,780,800

Mavs recieve $3,093,411
Mavs send out $3,028,410

Warriors recieve $19,028,410
Warriors send out $19,138,761

(TRADE 2)
Pistons get:
(MIN)
'18 2nd (top 40) + '20 2nd (UP)
(PHI)
C J. Okafor

Wolves get:
(PHI)
'18 2nd (HOU pick)
(DET)
PF J. Leuer

76ers get:
(DET)
'19 1st (Right to swap: DET-PHI)*
(MIN)
C C. Aldrich

*: pistons would recieve '19 2nd (NYK pick) and '20 2nd (DAL pick) if PHI excerices the swap

Pistons add 2 draft picks with a possible 3 more if the 76ers swap 1st in 2019. They recieve a 2nd that's top 40 protected in 2018 and a 2020 2nd that's unprotected from the Wolves. They also recieve Okafor who replaces Leuer on the depth chart.

Wolves add a 2018 2nd that's HOUs pick and Leuer (whos from Minnesota) to play at PF.

76ers add a right to swap 2019 1st round picks with the Pistons and if they choose to do so, theyd give them a 2019 2nd (Knicks pick) and a 2020 2nd (Mavs pick). They also recieve Aldrich to be a replacement for Okafor on the depth chart. His salary for the 2018-2019 season is partial guaranteed.

(FREE AGENTS)
PG Jason Terry or Trey Burke
1 year $2,000,000
$3,000,000 team option in year 2

SG James Young
1 year $1,250,000
$1,250,000 team option in year 2

Terry provides 3 point shooting and veteran leadership. Burke adds youth. Young adds youth and athleticism.

(DEPTH CHART)
PG:
Avery Bradley
Ish Smith
Jason Terry / Trey Burke
SG:
Klay Thompson
Langston Galloway
James Young
SF:
Stanley Johnson
Luke Kennard
Reggie Bullock
PF:
Tobias Harris
Jahlil Okafor
Anthony Tolliver
C:
Andre Drummond
Boban Marjanovic
Eric Moreland

27 Aug 2017 18:55:40
Sooooooo. Pistons give up Reggie Jackson, Henry Ellenson, and a 2nd rounder. And they get Klay Thompson? I hope this is a joke.

27 Aug 2017 19:31:42
I said unprotected 1st round in 2018, lol.

27 Aug 2017 19:55:30
I'm not even sure Jackson has positive value at this point.

27 Aug 2017 21:49:20
Lol is right to that trade, it's a joke.

27 Aug 2017 23:23:08
I'm confused as to why Golden State does this trade.

26 Aug 2017 19:19:24
Cleveland Cavaliers - Miami Heat fan made trade proposal if the Celtics trade falls apart.

Cleveland trades: Kyrie Irving, Tristan Thompson and Channing Frye (expiring, match salaries)

Miami trades: Goran Dragic, Hassan Whiteside.

Why Cleveland should do this:
Cleveland has LeBron, so they should be thinking win now. Forget about future draft picks; it hurts the value of players you receive in a trade.

Dragic is a very underrated point guard, a great replacement for Kyrie. The real coup here though, is Whiteside. He's a guy the Warriors would have no answer for.

Why Miami does this: Kyrie, surprisingly, had Miami on his list of teams he wanted to get traded to. He's the best player in this trade. TT is young and a decent player at the C.

26 Aug 2017 19:06:17
Cleveland Cavaliers - Miami Heat fan made trade proposal if the Celtics trade falls apart.

Cleveland trades: Kyrie Irving, Hassan Whiteside and Channing Frye (expiring, match salaries)

Miami trades: Goran Dragic, Hassan Whiteside.

Why Cleveland should do this:
Cleveland has LeBron, so they should be thinking win now. Forget about future draft picks; it hurts the value of players you receive in a trade.

Dragic is a very underrated point guard, a great replacement for Kyrie. The real coup here though, is Whiteside. He's a guy the Warriors would have no answer for.

Why Miami does this: Kyrie, surprisingly, had Miami on his list of teams he wanted to get traded to. He's the best player in this trade. TT is young and a decent player at the C.

26 Aug 2017 19:25:13
Cleveland trades: Kyrie Irving, TRISTAN THOMPSON.

26 Aug 2017 19:50:06
Don't believe either the Celtics or the Cavs want to void the deal. Sounds like the package they got for Kyrie was the best available. Neither Kyrie or IT, could go back to their former teams after this.

27 Aug 2017 01:01:43
Agree to a point Yumbo, I think it puts the Celtics in a worse position though. They now have their best player wanting out and other teams are going to be pretty weary of taking him on with the hip injury and expiring contract. I think the Celtics add one of their own picks ( with the young talent, future picks, and limited roster space it's not a huge lose ) . If this was calculated by the Cavs, wow, I applaud. They have the Celtics in a rough spot. That said, I'm curious how other gms end up feeling about this. The Cavs might win in the short term, but lose in the long term.

27 Aug 2017 06:45:58
I agree with Yumbo and Rkenne. There is no way that this trade should be voided because the Cavs already had other trade discussion and I bet the 2018 Nets pick may of been brought up in specific situations so not having it for the Cavs would be hard. Plus Bostons sold out the seasons tickets I believe so what would Boston say and do. Eventually Bostons hand will be forced and they will give an additional first round pick in the future. Last thing Cavs want is another player, so unless it's Brown or Tatum and Good luck getting them.

25 Aug 2017 16:16:27
Cavs still need to become a bit more versatile to beat the Warriors

•Trade Iman Shumpert, Channing Frye, and own 2018 1st to Indiana for Thad Young

•Waive Kay Felder and re-sign him to a 2-way contract

•Sign James Young 1yr minimum

Lineup:
PG: Thomas, Rose, Calderon
SG: Smith, Korver, Young
SF: James, Crowder, Osman
PF: Love, Young, Green
C: Thompson, Zizic, Tavares.

25 Aug 2017 17:22:27
If James Young is the answer, you're asking the wrong question.

25 Aug 2017 17:44:17
Yes, if it were James Young, I agree Collider, but since it's Thad Young and the question is who is you're 3rd or 4th man off the bench, that's a pretty good answer.

25 Aug 2017 19:54:07
Rkenne----
•Sign James Young 1yr minimum.

25 Aug 2017 20:01:48
James Young is listed as a 3rd stringer and he'd likely be behind Osman too, so I don't think I stated he's the answer to anything.

26 Aug 2017 00:56:40
Still there's no sense in signing James Young.

25 Aug 2017 11:29:52
Cleveland Cavaliers - New Orleans Pelicans

Cleveland trades: Iman Shumpert, Channing Frye, Cedi Osman and BKN '18 first round pick.

New Orleans trades: DeMarcus Cousins.

The only way cavs can beat the warriors is by exploiting their weakness (their center position) . Nobody on the warriors will be able to stop Cousins down low.

Another interesting option is Carmelo. In small ball lineups Melo is deadly. However, I feel like Cousins could have a bigger impact against the Dubs.

25 Aug 2017 13:17:20
This is a tough one as it's yes and no at the same time for me.

I agree that Cousins could be a difference maker, but with him also being an FA, LBJ, IT and him could all leave, and that Brooklyn pick is a huge building block should that happen. I'm inclined to think that if they move that pick, it will be for someone under contract past this year.

25 Aug 2017 13:24:28
Triangle O: That's the worst case scenerio. If LBJ commits long term, I could see uthe cavs being able to retain both Boogie and Isaiah as well.

25 Aug 2017 13:52:59
I'm also kind of at a loss of what to think about a trade like this. Honestly Jordan, Drummond, and Cousins I would all consider trading the Nets 1st for but I agree with Cousins it would be difficult to give up the pick for another 1 year player since Cousins, Bron, and Thomas potentially could leave. The thing is though even if 2 of the 3 leave and the Cavs only retain one of them, they can still remain relevant with that one player and Love if they want to still compete and not totally rebuild. If all three do leave though that's 60 mil off the books so a lot of options o consider.

25 Aug 2017 15:46:25
I think if it's Cousins, you do it. The guy gives you a player that GS can't handle and who is actually a good defender athletic enough to keep on the floor. Drummond and Jordan in my opinion, don't really do much that Tristan can't do (they do do somethings better) . If you could get one of those two without the Brooklyn pick, it's probably worth it, but Cousins is the only one good enough to almost guarantee Lebron stays.

18 Aug 2017 17:02:38
NYK - CLE - HOU - MIL Trade

New York Trades Carmelo Anthony and Kyle O'Quinn
New York Receives Greg Monroe, Spencer Hawes, Isaiah Taylor, Tim Quarterman, Chinanu Onauku, and Shawn Long

Cleveland Trades Kevin Love and Iman Shumpert
Cleveland Receives Eric Gordon, Trevor Ariza, Jabari Parker, and Kyle O'Quinn

Houston trades Eric Gordon, Trevor Ariza, Ryan Anderson, Tim Quarterman, Shawn Long, Isaiah Taylor, and Chinanu Onauku
Houston Receives Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Love

Milwaukee trades Jabari Parker, Greg Monroe, and Spencer Hawes
Milwaukee receives Ryan Anderson and Iman Shumpert

Why each team makes the trade?
New York rids themselves of their Melo drama in exchange for non guaranteed deals and expiring contracts.

Cleveland takes a chance on Jabari. His numbers were fantastic this past year but there are obvious concerns about his knees. They solidify their bench by adding last year's 6th man of the year (Gordon) . Ariza is a great 3 and D complement who can start until Jabari returns. Kyle O'Quinn can fill the role of backup center because the Cavs are extremely weak here as Tavares is the only center on the roster besides Thiompson. I think this is the best move the cavs could make. Deepen their roster and give Lebron more weapons.

Milwaukee takes a risk on Anderson in this trade. He does not fit into Kidd's defensive scheme but his 3pt shooting is desperately needed. The Bucks finished in the bottom 10 in 3pt fgs made last year. Ridding themselves of Monroe's contract and receiving a good 3 and D wing in Shumpert sweetens the deal for the bucks. I think they take this.

Houston gets 2 all stars in this trade and become the second team with a Big 4. This team has enough firepower to compete with the warriors. There would be concerns with the lack of backcourt depth but I believe D'Antoni would be able to stagger Paul and Harden's minutes so one of them is always on the floor.

I'd love to hear everyone's opinions.

18 Aug 2017 17:50:11
The Knicks would be better off buying out Melo. They would save a significant amount of money and they don't really recieve anything they would value in the trade

It's not terrible for the Cavs, but with Irving with a foot out the door and Parker's knee injuries, the Cavs are probably better off keeping Love for now. If he has a big season as the 2nd option, his value could increase by a ton.

It's a no brainer for Houston. They win this deal by a mile.

The Bucks get robbed blind. Monroe is expiring and when healthy Parker is far better and younger than anything they get back. Houston is going to have to package a first with Anderson just to get someone to take on his huge contract. They can't expect to get anymore than expiring contracts in a deal for him.

19 Aug 2017 02:37:04
Knicks will not buy out Melo because he would still be on the books. Trading him would reduce salary cap. If they don't get anything they like in trade-they will keep him. Either he expands trade partner list or he gets old with no title chances.

19 Aug 2017 03:14:26
Mitchsam, Melo can opt out after this year. Buyouts are negotiated. The Knicks would save a few million this year, wouldn't have to worry about Melo getting hurt and opting in next year (there would be no cap hold for Melo next year) and not have a pouting Melo in their locker.
Unless they can get an asset or two and not take on any bad contracts in a trade, it's going to me a much better option than keeping Melo or wasting cap space on bad contracts.

23 Aug 2017 15:28:40
Milwaukee could also trade Giannis zhou Qi to Houston.

 
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