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19 Jul 2017 14:18:22
boston: A Davis

NO: J Wall+D Green+ T Parker (release)+ 1rnd pick Clippers 2019

Was: JR Holiday+ 1rnd pick Nets 2018+ 1rnd pick Vancouver 2019+ 1rnd pick Spurs 2018 and 2020

Spurs: A Horford

19 Jul 2017 14:43:55
Beyond ridiculous that an aging, overpriced Horford, 2 mid to late firsts, and the nets pick gets you one of the top 5 players in the game who is under contract for 3 more years, and is only 25. Celtics are committing robbery.

19 Jul 2017 15:17:57
This trade is beyond stupid. The Pels give up AD for Wall basically. Nope.

19 Jul 2017 22:36:19
Boston fans need to stop thinking AD is coming, he's locked up long term and you don't trade locked up under 25 yr old top 5 player. keep dreaming Boston fans, go have another sam Adams.

20 Jul 2017 02:30:00
Agree with all the comments. Washington isn't moving Wall unless he asks out at some point, Davis is even less likely to get moved, and Boston isn't giving any where near enough in this trade to get anyone's attention.

The Wizards are the 3rd best team in the East and are still pretty young. The Pelicans have a chance to be solid this year and even if they aren't they have time to blow
It up and build around Davis.

12 Jul 2017 03:13:29
Pelicans get Wall

Hawks get Asik, Jason Smith

Wizards get Diallo, Jackson, Quincy P, Bellinelli, two first round picks and two second round picks

Pistons get Moore and Ajinca

12 Jul 2017 04:16:01
The Wizards aren't trading Wall unless they think they'll lose him or they get a ridiculous offer. I also hate this for Atlanta.

12 Jul 2017 04:58:21
That is really terrible for the Wizards, Wall is the only big name i see in the trade. That's not going to happen.

12 Jul 2017 13:37:04
Trading Wall for that? It's like trading a 50 cent piece for 4 dimes and 2 plug nickels.

17 Jul 2017 11:24:11
Why would the Wizards do this?

12 Jul 2017 01:37:54
Wizards rest of offseason

Was gets - Lopez Payne and Bellineli

Chi gets - Oubre and Smith

Atl gets - Gortat

- Was gets a better rebounding and rim protecting big and adds wing depth

Wall/Payne
Beal/Bellineli
Porter/Bogdonovic
Morris/Scott
Lopez/Mahinimi

12 Jul 2017 02:02:31
What does Atlanta want with Gortat. He's a solid player, but he's to old to fit into their plans to rebuild.

12 Jul 2017 03:17:52
The basic rebounding numbers seem to show that Gortat is a much better rebounder than Lopez since he averaged nearly 4 more boards per game and only played like 3 more minutes per game. Overall don't think he is a better player either. Wizards already lost Bogdonovic to the Pacers, traded for a backup point guard in Tim Frazier and not sure how swapping Bellinelli for Oubre improves their wing depth. All in all don't think these moves make Wizards any better and they'd be better off sitting tight and just trying to add talent via vet mins in FA.

I think Bulls would be potentially interested in moving Lopez for a young talent like Oubre since they are rebuilding.

Hawks need a center but not necessarily the one of the caliber of Gortat but they aren't giving up much to get him in first place.

11 Jul 2017 14:45:09
PHX- John Wall, Derrick Favors
WSH- Eric Bledsoe, Marquese Chriss
UTH- Dragon Bender, Jared Dudley, 2018 1st from PHX (lottery protected)

PHX
PG- John Wall/Tyler Ulis
SG- Devin Booker/Brandon Knight
SF- TJ Warren/Josh Jackson
PF- Derrick Favors/Allen Williams
C- Tyson Chandler/Alex Len

WSH
PG- Eric Bledsoe/Tim Frazier
SG- Bradley Beal/Jodie Meeks
SF- Otto Porter Jr/Kelly Oubre Jr
PF- Markieff Morris/Marquese Chriss
C- Marcin Gortat/Ian Mahinmi

UTH
PG- Ricky Rubio/Dante Exum
SG- Rodney Hood/Donovan Mitchell
SF- Joe Ingles/Joe Johnson
PF- Boris Diaw/Dragon Bender
C- Rudy Gobert/Tony Bradley

11 Jul 2017 14:51:55
I think Bender should go to Washington instead of Utah but even then not sure it makes sense for / is enough value for Washington to part with Wall.

Favors as an expiring contract and someone who has been riddled by injuries lately I don't think is worth all that and probably not much more than Phoenix pick.

Complete steal for Phoenix to get Wall for so little.

11 Jul 2017 16:57:35
Only Phoenix would like this trade.

10 Jul 2017 08:21:53
Wizards-Spurs

Wizards get Lamarcus Aldridge
> get their 3rd star

Wall-Frazier
Beal-Meeks
Porter-Oubre-Satoransky
Aldridge-Scott
Mahinmi-Smith-McCollough

Spurs get Marcin Gortat , Markieff Morris & 2nd round pick
> get some depth

Mills-Parker
Green-Simmons-Ginobili
Leonard-Gay-Anderson
Morris-Bertans-Lee
Gortat-Gasol

10 Jul 2017 10:42:52
I like it for both teams. Spurs shouls sign Monta Ellis also.

10 Jul 2017 13:19:23
Great move for Wizards just meh for Spurs. Their overall offseason has been quite underwhelming especially when going into it they were clearly the 2nd strongest team in the west. I think losing a legitimate #2 option will hurt the Spurs especially in the playoffs when stars are more important than depth but adding two solid two way players isn't a terrible move.

12 Jul 2017 01:35:36
I Like this trade for Washington, but i think the Spurs would want a 1rnd pick.

09 Jul 2017 01:09:23
Wizards-Sixers-Spurs

Wizards get Aldridge
Sixers get Mahimi 2018 Wizards 1st, 2018 Spurs 1st
Spurs get Morris, Okafor, KCP (s&t from sixers cap room)

09 Jul 2017 14:11:26
If I'm the 76ers I probably would just prefer to keep KCP for myself. Although not awful value for the Spurs the league is more star driven than ever and this move would make it difficult for them to add another star caliber player with Kawhi.

09 Jul 2017 15:45:26
this is a great trade.

09 Jul 2017 18:01:31
It's a good trade for all teams besides the sixers. Taking the 15 million from mahinmi for 3 years doesn't fit to their future. Let alone the bad return for taking the contract. The 2 picks in the range 25-28 are maybe the value for the s&t and for Okafor.

07 Jul 2017 05:14:28
Pacers Next Offseason
2017-18
Trade Thad Young and 2 Future 2nd rounders to Jazz for Exum and Mitchell
S&T Miles to Wizards for Oubre Jr. and future 1st
At deadline trade Jefferson (expiring contract) and future 1st for Zach Collins
(Optional)At deadline or after season flip Sabonis or Leaf to Raptors for OG Anuboy
18-19 Lineup
Exum/Stephenson
Oladipo/Mitchell
Robinson III/Anuboy/Oubre Jr.
Collins/Leaf
Turner/Ike A.
Team with Huge Upside
Later on if Mitchell, Oubre Jr., and Anuboy turn into starter talent flip Oladipo, Robinson III, and future 1st to clear Oladipo's bad contract.

Thoughts?

07 Jul 2017 09:35:05
All those deals are heavily favoring Pacers. I doubt Young and 2 2nds get you Exum or Mitchell by themselves let alone both of them. After Jazz lost Hayward they'd be wise to keep their two best young talent or at least get better value for them.

The sign and trade for Miles isn't as bad but I doubt Wizards do it especially since they are way over the cap and Miles would surely make more than Oubre's rookie deal so won't work financially.

Similarly Blazers are way over the cap and couldn't do the Jefferson for Collins trade, not that they would since its not great value on a guy you just traded up to get at #10.

Sabonis flip isn't bad value but Raptors would probably prefer Anunboy who can once healthy be a difference maker right away on the defensive end and has solid upside.

06 Jul 2017 17:44:38
Kings - Wizards

Kings gets:
Mahinmi
Bogdanovic (S&T)
2018 1st round pick
2019 2nd round pick

Wizards gets:
Koufos


Kings get another Bogdanovic and two picks for taking on Mahinmis bad contract. They rebuild and won't compete next year.

Wizards shead salary to get tax relife. When they match Porter their tax bill will be huge and moving Mahinmi is the right move.

06 Jul 2017 17:14:16
Grizzlies - Wizards

Grizzlies gets:
Mahinmi
Smith
2018 1st round pick (top 3)
2019 1st round swap right
2020 1sr round pick (top 3)

Wizards gets:
Gasol

06 Jul 2017 17:28:56
Not certain what the market is like for 32 yr old Gasol or even if Memphis are looking to deal him. Wizards would be wise to try but I don't think this would be enough to convince Memphis to move him.

06 Jul 2017 00:34:26
Boston: K Love+ Drummond

Cle: Bradley+ Horford

Detroit: M Morris+ Frye+1rnd pick Clippers 19+ 1rnd pic Memphis 19+ 1rnd pick Boston 2018+ 1rnd pick Was 2018

Was: J Crowder

Boston:
C: Drummond/ zizic
PF: +K Love/ Ojeleye
SF: Hayward/ Isaac
Sg: Smart/ J Brown
PG: I Thomas/ Rozier

Cleveland receive a good replacement for KLove in Horford And Bradley is a good shooter and defender.

Detroit can rebuilt with 4 extra draft picks

Washington get a cheap replacement for Porter

06 Jul 2017 12:33:20
Complete steal for Boston. For the Cavs its alright, I rather have Love than Horford but Bradley would be a great fit as a 3 and D guard. Only thing is Bradley is in final year of his contract and will be a unrestricted FA that will demand a lot of money so he'll be expensive for Cavs to keep around (They should dump Shumpert and/ or Smith if they were to get him) .

Hate it for Detroit. Drummond isn't perfect but he is young, signed long term and one of best rebounders in the game. Although that's 4 1sts all of them with exception of maybe Memphis aren't going to even be in the lottery so not that much value there. Celtics would have to include at least the Lakers/ Kings pick if they were serious about adding Drummond (maybe even Nets pick) .

I think Washington is going to match Porters contract anyway but Crowder would be a solid and much cheaper replacement. Issue is they are giving up a starter in Morris so they are opening up another hole in the lineup.

06 Jul 2017 14:08:14
As a Pistons fan I'm fine with this trade. Although he's a great rebounder, Drummond sucks at everything else a big man is supposed to do and I question his work ethic. The upside is there but I'd much rather get 4 firsts out of him and rebuild. Pistons need to get out of this mediocre rut they've been stuck in.

06 Jul 2017 13:14:05
I could replace Morris by J Smith

Washington could match the Porter offer, but that's a huge contract for a non all star. And if they do sign him, Crowder would be a great sixth man (can play the two, three and four), on a reasonable contract.

I think Detroit could do this. Drummond is good, but they're playing for the eight spot. so they should trade him for draft picks, maybe the LA pick should be involved, but i'm not sure Ainge is prepared to give up that pick.

06 Jul 2017 14:58:23
That's all crazy. Boston couldn't afford both of those players. Plus, Drummond doesn't work in Brad Stevens system. He'd be uselesa, especially at his price tag.

06 Jul 2017 15:05:14
Not a terrible idea and the value isn't bad, but I don't see the Cavs facilitating a deal where Boston ends up with 2 allstars. It seems counter productive.

07 Jul 2017 14:52:19
@ Yumbo

Horford :28 M
Crawford: 9M
Bradley: 7M
Tot: 44M

K Love: 23M
Drummond :23M
Tot: 46 M.

07 Jul 2017 14:53:33
@rkenne_16

true, but this trade improves Cleveland too.
And maybe Cleveland need a stronger East.
So they are prepared to face Golden State.

30 Jun 2017 00:04:11
Washington Wizards - Melo

Knicks - O. Porter (s&t), K. Oubre, C. McCullough, 2018 draft pick

What ya think?

30 Jun 2017 00:33:19
To much for Melo.

30 Jun 2017 01:02:09
Knicks would take any one of those to offload Anthony and his contract.

30 Jun 2017 01:38:48
I think you are on acid.

30 Jun 2017 02:15:40
C. Anthony's trade value is 1/ 3 of what you propose. Also not sure Washington entices him to drop his no-trade clause now that his tormentor has been let go.

27 Jun 2017 05:25:15
Wizards-Pacers

George for Porter (s&t), Oubre, Mahinmi, 2018 1st

Wall/Beal/George/Morris/Gortat starting five is tough.

27 Jun 2017 08:40:44
That starting 5 is tough but I don't think Porter has another level to his game and wouldn't be nearly as effective in the larger role he'd be forced into in Indy, not to mention all the money he'd be making. Indy needs to ultimately take the best offer they get but I'd ideally want players with higher upside than Porter who is the key piece in this trade.

For Wizards its a gamble but I think they reached close to their peak last season where Beal stayed healthy and Porter shot lights out and they still couldn't reach conference finals so maybe its worth taking the chance since it could pay off big time and if not they clear some cap space in 2018 to try and replace George.

27 Jun 2017 03:43:49
Blazers trade Harkless, Crabbe
Blazers get Noah, Oubre

Knicks trade Anthony, Noah, O'Quinn
Knicks get Harkless, Crabbe, Mahinmi, Smith

Wizards trade Oubre, Mahinmi, Smith
Wizards get Anthony, O'Quinn

Blazers:
Lillard/Napier
McCollum/Turner/Connaughton
Oubre/Aminu
Collins/Vonleh/Leonard/Swanigan
Nurkic/Noah/Davis
- cap relief: Noah&Oubre = ~20m, Crabbe&Harkless = ~30m, add needed backup C who brins veteran experience and defense


Knicks:
Nkilitina/
Lee/Crabbe/Dotson
Harkless/Thomas/Kuzminskas
Porzingis/Smith
Hernangomez/Mahnimi
- fresh start, much different team to last season roster

Wizards:
Wall/Frazier/Satoransky
Beal/Bogdanovic
O.Porter/Anthony
Anthony/Morris
Gortat/O'Quinn
- pair Wall+Beal with Anthony and u have a legit Big 3, Wall makes everybody around him better even Anthony
- Frazier, Bogdanovic, Morris and O'Quinn already solid bench player, add some veterans
-> championship contender from day 1

27 Jun 2017 05:02:06
From the Blazers stand point you would need to take Noah out of the deal and NY would need to throw in a mix of future picks (aleast one 1st rounder) to get the upside of Harkless (with a great contract) and the upside of Crabbe (not a great contract) .

25 Jun 2017 07:44:36
New York Knicks Offseason

Trade Kristaps Porzingis and Courtney Lee to Wizards for Markeiff Morris and Bradley Beal


Trade Melo and Joakim noah to LA Clippers for DeAndre Jordan and Jamal Crawford


Sign
Rudy Gay 3 yr 32 mill
Jrue Holiday 4 yr max
PJ Tucker 3 yr 20 mill


2017/18 lineup

Jrue Holiday/Frank Nkilita
Bradley Beal/Jamal Crawford
Rudy Gay/PJ Tucker
Markeiff Morris/Kyle O Quinn
DeAndre Jordan/Willy Hernangomez

25 Jun 2017 11:47:26
I'm sure there are high-level meetings going on in the Clippers front office right now to determine how they can take acquire over-the-hill players who have onerous contracts -- moves that will make it impossible for them to keep Chris Paul and Blake Griffin.

25 Jun 2017 15:38:49
Or they can keep a guy who's close to going over the hill already in Griffin.

P. S. - Melo for Bradley and Tatum.

27 Jun 2017 17:26:13
Supertroll. 32 years old (same as lebron) .22/ 6/ 3, 18 PER. Stop trolling. we get it you have a crush, but jeeze, he doesn't want you.

27 Jun 2017 17:28:09
Good one supertroll. Sidenote, Tatum? Well that should bring them close to a championship lol. Just like brown. ainge seems like a very bad drafter. In elite spots, he takes good, not great, players. He gets a lot of credit for some trades, somewhat deservingly. but let's not kid. that nets trade turned out FAR better than it should have. and beyond that.

He has a bad track record at the draft. brown, smart, tatum.
He only really was able to sign horford, which was not a good signing. I don't get it. he's not this genius. He got lucky on one trade. and now they are a very good, not great team. Lovely.

25 Jun 2017 07:20:31
Philadelphia 76ers offseason

Trade Jahlil Okafor,Gerald Henderson and future 2nd rnd pick to wizards for Markief Morris


Sign
JJ Reddick 4 yr 60 mill
Tony Allen 3 yr 21 mill
Nene 2 yr 10 mill


2017/18 Lineup

Markelle Fultz/Frank Mason
JJ Reddick/Tony Allen
Ben Simmons/Robert Covington
Markeif Morris/Dario Saric
Joel Embiid/Nene

76ers get vertern leadership for all the young players

25 Jun 2017 11:51:20
Great for Philly, but the Wizards would have a tough time selling their fans on a deal that brings in two marginal players for a quality starter. To get Morris, the 76ers would probably have to give up Saric.

25 Jun 2017 15:41:59
Philly would not give up Saric for Morris, but I do agree that Okafor and Henderson don't land the Sixers Morris.

21 Jun 2017 07:49:24
Clippers are looking to deal Jordan. Not sure what Clippers are looking for in return (I guess depends on how their offseason goes) but don't see them getting anything too great since most good teams don't have a need for a center, he'll be 29 in a month and he only has 1 year guaranteed left (player option for 18-19 which he'll probably opt out of to get one last big contract) .

Bucks get: Deandre Jordan
Clippers get: #17, Vaughn, Henson, Teletovic

Could swap Henson and Teletovic for Monroe if he opts in. This return would be decent if Clippers were aiming to rebuild.

Celtics get: DeAndre Jordan
Clippers get: Horford, Clippers 2019 1st, Boston 2018 1st

Boston needs a rebounder at center position and still keep cap space for Hayward and other moves. Clippers get draft picks including their own back and a versatile big that is signed a year longer than Jordan.

Bulls get: DeAndre Jordan
Clippers get: Lopez, Valentine and #16 pick

Bulls get an all-nba player to add to Butler and still have cap space to make a splash in FA. Could alternatively incorporate Wade if he opts in. Clippers get a solid pick and hometown solid starting big in Lopez and young prospect in Valentine.

Cavs get: Jordan
Clippers get: Thompson and Frye

Not sure if really makes Cavs better but Jordan is bigger force on interior and Clippers get a younger big that is signed 3 more years.

Wizards: Jordan
Clippers: Gortat and Bogdanovic (S&T)

Gortat is reportedly unhappy with Wizards so they upgrade on him while Clipper get two solid players in return.

Spurs and his hometown Rockets would also be good destinations but couldn't think of a trade that would really make sense for both sides (some of these are a stretch as is) .

21 Jun 2017 11:10:57
I think the clippers want pg. In that way they might keep cp3 and blake. Give the assets to indy.
If pg leaves in 2018 they still have cp3 and blake.
Think a firstrounder in the range 12-16 is enough because lakers can't offer much.

21 Jun 2017 13:52:19
I guess dealing Jordan would be a way for Clippers to get assets to get in the George sweepstakes. I'm just not sure Paul and Griffin would base their decision to return for multiple years or not on a guy who may only be a 1year rental. If anything its the other way around, if they are able to sign Paul and Griffin they could help Clippers to resign George if they traded Jordan for him in a 3 team trade.

20 Jun 2017 17:39:33
Wizards trade Porter(s&t), Morris, Mahinmi, Smith
Wizards get George, Anthony, 58th pick Knicks

Knicks trade Porzingis, Anthony, 58th pick
Knicks get 7th pick Wolves, Rubio, Porter, Smith

Pacers trade George, Ellis
Pacers get Dieng, Morris

Wolves trade Rubio, Dieng, 7th pick
Wolves get Porzingis, Mahinmi


Wizards:
Wall/Satoransky
Beal/Bogdanovic
George/Oubre
Anthony/#58
Gortat/#52
- Wizards build big 4, fill up roster mid-level and vet min (e.g. E.Okafor)

Knicks:
Rubio/
#7Monk/Lee
Porter/Thomas/Kuzminkas
#8Markkanen/O'Quinn/Smith
Hernangomez/Noah
- complete rebuild, draft future franchise SG in shooter Monk and Porzingis typ of talent in Markkanen

Pacers:
Teague/
Stephenson
T.Young/Morris
Turner/Dieng
Dieng/Jefferson
- let play Turner is natural position PF, Dieng (4y reasonable contract) and Morris (2y low-price contract) gives Indiana more value than leaving George and fast declining Ellis

Wolves:
Rose/Dunn/Jones
LaVine/Ellis/Rush
Wiggins/Tucker/Rush
Porzingis/Bjelica/Tucker
Towns/Mahinmi/Aldrich
- let Muhammad walk, sign Rose and Tucker to bring veteran experience to young and elite talented roster

20 Jun 2017 04:10:54
Pacers-Wizards

Pacers trade Paul George and Al Jefferson to the Wizards for Otto Porter (S&T), Markieff Morris, and 2018 1st round pick

Pacers sign JJ Redick (3yr/ 54mill)

Pacers resign Jeff Teague (4yr/ 80mill)

Pacers draft Bam Abedayo and Frank Mason

Pacers Lineup:

PG: Jeff Teague, Lance Stephenson, Frank Mason
SG: JJ Redick, Monta Ellis, Joe Young
SF: Otto Porter, Glenn Robinson, Georges Niang
PF: Markieff Morris, Thaddeus Young, Lavoy Allen
C: Myles Turner, Ben Abedayo, Kevin Seraphin.

06 Jun 2017 16:23:54
Clippers-Wizards-Pistons

LA gets Gortat, Harris

Was gets Jordan

Pistons get Morris, Wes Johnson, and '19 1st (Was)

01 Jun 2017 17:42:55
76ers
Sacramento
Minnesota
Free Agency

76ers trade- #3 to Sac for #5 and #10 pick
Later Trade the #10, Okafer and Second Rd Pk to Minnesota for the #7 pick.

76ers get- at #5 Monk and at #7 Isaac
Sac gets- #3 Josh Jackson
Minn gets- Okafer and #10 D. Smith and Second Rd pick

76ers can trade with LAC; Sakic for A. Rivers and their upcoming 1st rd pick
acquire Otto in free agency from Washington.

01 Jun 2017 18:14:59
I think Sacramento rather have both picks in a deep draft to add young talent since they have very little and don't have all their future picks. I also don't think Minnesota wants a back center that can only play in only play in the post when they already have KAT and Dieng and need more shooting around KAT.

01 Jun 2017 18:24:48
Why would Minnesota have any interest in Okafor?

01 Jun 2017 21:31:18
I like the first trade for 76ers although dealing Saric for Rivers and Clippers pick isn't that great (unless Clippers lose Paul and Griffin in FA in which case they probably wouldn't want to do it) .

I agree with rkenne_16 Kings would be better off keeping #5 and #10 than moving up to #3 since their team could use the depth especially with them not having their pick in 2019. A very good prospect like Fox or Tatum should be available at #5 and at #10 they should just go with best player available although Anunoby would be a good fit sliding in at sf to make a strong defensive core of Fox, Anunoby, Labisierre and WCS. That lineup would struggle with spacing but Hield helps there and Labisierre has some range on his jumper.

Hate this deal for Minnesota. Don't think they are getting enough value to trade down. At #7 they could get Issac who would be perfect fit as a defensive guy who can space the floor and doesn't need to dominate the ball to influence a game and if he isn't available they could go with a more conventional stretch 4 in Markkanen or Collins. Okafor doesn't do much for them as he'd be relegated to a backup center and they already have plenty of those. Minnesota could also go after a point guard if they choose to move Rubio which they've been trying to do for past few years.

Otto Porter doesn't seem to be going anywhere in FA. I can't see Washington not matching a max offer in restricted FA.

01 Jun 2017 23:48:48
No way smith is still on the board at 10.

02 Jun 2017 01:31:01
Wiz match porter. Saric for rivers and e late pick is horrible for sixers.

02 Jun 2017 16:33:41
Clippers don't have a draft pick until 2018 and even then, can't trade it because they cannot trade picks in consecutive years.

 
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