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14 Oct 2019 20:33:42

-Hardaway Jr.
-J. Jackson
-DAL 2020 2nd

-DAL 2026 1st

-T. Johnson

14 Oct 2019 20:41:10
Phoenix passes.

14 Oct 2019 21:10:59
I assume this is a joke.

15 Oct 2019 13:38:02
Joke? Yes, one of the worst ones tossed out here in some time, IMHO. I believe the term that used out here to be used for items such as these was, "Step away from the crack pipe. "

15 Oct 2019 17:23:19
No way Suns trade Ayton already. Also don't see Dallas giving up two picks on an American born player, just saying that Donnie Nelson thinks foreign players the way to go because he hit on 2 out of 50. LOVE MAVS but not a fan of DONNIE.

15 Oct 2019 21:08:19
No way SUNS give up on AYTON in only his second season.

14 Oct 2019 01:02:48


-2020 1st
-2021 1st
-2020 2nd

14 Oct 2019 09:29:58
You can’t trade back to back picks, that’s not enough for Booker, and the Suns have no reason to trade Bridges.

13 Oct 2019 22:03:13

-Hardaway Jr.
-J. Jackson
-B. Ingram
-Mavs 2nd 2020

-N. Powell


13 Oct 2019 22:17:34
No way the Pelicans do that.

13 Oct 2019 23:16:12
Yeah, the Pelicans are getting robbed.

12 Oct 2019 19:47:53
Since everyone is doing Paul trades, I thought I'd do one too.
-OKC 2nd
-OKC 1st

12 Oct 2019 23:12:36
Why do people think that the Cavs will be willing to take Paul? It makes less than 0 sense for the Cavs unless they’re getting 3 picks just to take him. That doesn’t include what they’d want for Sexton.

12 Oct 2019 00:42:20
-2nd rounder

12 Oct 2019 08:04:48
ORL already done that and it was a mistake that will never happen again.

12 Oct 2019 23:44:29
Forget the other two pieces.
2nd rounder > ibaka.

07 Oct 2019 14:24:52
1) Washington-spurs
Was: LMA+ P Mills

Spurs: J Wall+ 1rnd pick Was+ 1rnd pick Was 2022 (lottery protected)

2) spurs-Tor

tor: Derozan
spurs: Ibaka+ Anunoby+ 1rnd pick tor 2021

07 Oct 2019 16:24:48
Thats laughable. Why would Popovi h take Wall and his ridiculous contract?
In my mind, there would have to be multiple unprotected picks and not a non-protected pick.
I love how everyone says that the Celtics need to add first round picks to trade Hayward. Yet you want to trade Wall for something good AND a protected pick, when his contract is far worse than Haywards. At least Hayward will be playing while Wall is out the entire season.

07 Oct 2019 16:33:12
Boston shouldn't trade Hayward for picks, the guy still has value.

Two picks for a bad contract isn't a bad deal and the Spurs can take it, if they go in rebuilt mode. and Wall is only 29, He can sit out this year, play next year and getting traded in 2021.

07 Oct 2019 17:17:51
Guys that shouldn't be traded this year: Hayward, Wall, Nurkic.

Never sell at the absolute lowest value.

07 Oct 2019 20:40:09
Never sell? Depends on what you got coming in to fill their cap space.

Was the price "low" on AD when NO traded him with Zion inbound?

07 Oct 2019 22:04:58
That definitely wasn't AD's absolute lowest value.

To clarify, don't trade guys when their value has cratered or even gone into the negative, when you know it can't go lower and that it more than likely will go up.

08 Oct 2019 18:56:14
In fairness, Hayward’s value was probably higher last year at this time than this year. You don’t really know what their value is going to be in the future. What if Wall isn’t even a starting caliber guy when he comes back? It’s not impossible.

06 Oct 2019 22:41:48
Toronto Trade Serge Ibaka and OG Anunoby For Wiggins in Minnesota

08 Oct 2019 11:18:48
Again, Wiggins is negative value.

I know Canadians loved Maple Jordan when he entered the NBA, but I feel like Wiggins lack of success may have soured them on him, especially when they have their own players that won them a title.

06 Oct 2019 19:14:55
-Mo Bamba
-2020 2nd

06 Oct 2019 19:47:53
Are you implying that Bamba is only worth a second rounder? Because Vooch and Lowry are both all-stars and essentially a wash. Why would Orlando want to leave itself with only a third string center?

06 Oct 2019 20:12:45
To TOR will have 4 centers and ORL not one? Smart. Bamba and Fultz opr something else for Lowry maybe. But I think TOR will give Lowry the contract to stay till he finish.

06 Oct 2019 20:35:42
FLhoopsFan, i was in a hurry, so yes, you could change it to a first and a second or three seconds.

The_one_and_only_ddrainr, no, not really.
C:Gasol, Vucevic, Bamba
PF:Ibaka, Siakam, Boucher
SF:Anunoby, Johnson, RHJ
SG:Powell, Matt Thomas, McCaw
PG:Vanvleet, Payne, Isiah Taylor.

06 Oct 2019 22:02:54
Lowry is 34. You’re not getting Bamba or Vucevic for him. You’re looking at more like a 1st and maybe low end prospect with some expiring money. There aren’t many teams that are playoff contenders and need a pg and there are going to be atleast 2 pgs that are likely to be shopped.

06 Oct 2019 17:56:06
Tor:G. Antetokounmpo
2020 1st
2020 2nd
2021 2nd
2020 2nd

06 Oct 2019 19:03:31
Not enough.

06 Oct 2019 19:12:17
what is enough then?

06 Oct 2019 22:07:13
Vanvleet, Powell, Siakam, OG, and 3 1sts might be enough. You’re looking at something like the AD or George trade.

07 Oct 2019 01:08:18
4 Siakems?

Look, Giannis is a young MVP candidate, who could be the best player in the game for the next ten years. He’s also is a marketing bonanza, especially for Milwaukee.

Siakem was impressive, but he is not a Top 25 player yet. He may (repeat “MAY”) become one, but Giannis already is. Even if Siakem becomes the best 1% possibility, his ceiling is not at Freak’s level.

There difference in value is a whole lot more than a 1st and a bunch of 2nd rounders. Look at the price that lesser stars were traded for last summer.

15 Oct 2019 05:36:15
Giannis would never agree to being traded to the raptors if that was the case he would just wait until free agency to go where he wants, he would want to be traded to a team he would resign too, why go to the raptors by himself.

06 Oct 2019 16:31:34
raptors should bring back derozan

trade OG and Ibakaand draft for derozan.

starters would be


key bench

then Raptors developed players and rebuild. but keeping lowry and derozan together.

06 Oct 2019 20:39:53
johnson is better than rhj you could start him at sf.
or start freddy at sg and derozan at sf.
also you could get derozan for only ibaka and a 1st.

02 Oct 2019 22:57:25
-G. Antetokounmpo
-D. Bender
-N. Powell
-TOR 2021 1st
-TOR 2020 2nd
-GSW 2020 2nd
-M. Gasol
-G. Hill
-TOR 2020 1st

03 Oct 2019 01:27:30
If Giannis gets traded, you’re looking at an AD type package this is awful. Toronto is getting way to much.

06 Oct 2019 12:11:41
Yes, but neither GSW nor mil is getting too little. Both of them would probably accept.

06 Oct 2019 16:28:04
I like it lol. I don't think OG and siakim will become players like allstars franchise type.

06 Oct 2019 18:52:35
Thanks sivretsolide. however, i found an error in my trade that's not what rkenne pointed out. raptors would have 3 pgs. maybe lowry for vucevic and fournier?

29 Sep 2019 23:19:50
Magic:Kyle Lowry
Raptors:Evan Fournier, Markelle Fultz, DJ Augustin

This will get rid of Lowry's contract while replacing it with some relatively younger players.

PG:Vanvleet, Fultz, Augustin
SG:Fournier, Powell, Matt Thomas
SF:Anunoby, Johnson
PF:Siakam, RHJ, Boucher
C:Gasol, Ibaka, Dewan Hernandez

30 Sep 2019 11:05:50
Getting Kyle Lowry would help them but the magic are giving away 3 of their few guards.

29 Sep 2019 18:23:55
Toronto / Dallas / Oklahoma City

Dallas Gets

$44 Million Cash to buy out Chris Paul's Contract - Final Year from Thunder.
Chris Paul
T. Ferguson

2nd Round Pick 2024 Thunder
2nd Round Pick 2024 Grizzlies
2nd Round Pick 2025 Thunder

Toronto Gets

Steve Adams

Thunder Gets

Serge Ibaka (Expiring)
Lee (Expiring)
Hardaway Jr.

29 Sep 2019 19:13:06
Is that a $44 mil payment now to opt out of his final year? So Dallas is still going to pay him $124 mil.

Also OKC can not trade their 2024 and 2025 second rounders because they are tied to the 2022 first rounder if it does not convey to ATL (lottery protected) . Probably do better swapping with Denver's 2020 first rounder instead.

29 Sep 2019 19:39:39
You can’t give that much cash, it’s against the rules.

29 Sep 2019 21:38:49
Max cash that can be traded is about 5.5 million.

29 Sep 2019 21:42:34
BMiller, I don't think this a traditional buyout as they are not waiving Paul. Seems like a simple payment to opt out of the final year. Could not find any in the CBA disapproving this.

30 Sep 2019 02:46:31
It’s one team giving another team cash in a trade. That falls under cash considerations, which is capped at 5.5m per year.

30 Sep 2019 11:56:50
Okay, I must have misread it. I was thinking Dallas was giving Paul the money not OKC. couldn't they easily work around that by having OKC give Paul the money to opt out now and then trade him to Dallas?

30 Sep 2019 15:38:03
Pretty sure the only way they could give him money to opt out would be in a waiving situation. You can't just give a guy cash to opt out, it would have to be considered payment outside of his contract, which would go against the cap and exceed his max salary.

03 Oct 2019 20:33:07
I'm pretty sure Ibaka is better than Adams.

25 Sep 2019 13:36:38
Tor: A wiggins

Minny: CP3+ Anunoby+ 2rnd pick OKC

OKC: Ibaka+Dieng

OKC dumps CP3 without giving up a first

CP3 could lead KAT

Wiggins can have a fresh start in Toronto

25 Sep 2019 14:42:25
TOR IN: Wiggins
TOR OUT: Anunoby and Ibaka (expiring)

The Raptors would definitely want assets, with Wiggins owed $94 mil for 2020-23.

25 Sep 2019 14:43:52
Also, MIN would never take on Chris Paul, and risk another Jimmy Butler locker room for KAT.

26 Sep 2019 09:07:30
Wiggins still has potentiall, he only needs a fresh start.

C: M gasol
PG: Lowry
+ strong bench, this is still a strong team.
Wiggins can become the go to guy.

So they can give it a try this year, they can retool arround wiggins next year and if that experiment fails, Wiggins has an expiring contract then, so they could get assets for him.

24 Sep 2019 13:37:40
Detroit doens`t expect to content but will try a playoff run. Hence they do not have the CAP to extent Drummond by MAX. Since I think Boston will go after Sabonis, since he has all the tools Boston is looking for and Boston can send good 1st picks to Indiana only Mavs have a real need on a classic center. At Mavs everybody, Porzingis, the team and Drummond itself can profit from each other!

- Ibaka
- Justin Jackson
- 1st pick Mavs

- Beal

- Hardaway
- 3x st pick Toronto

- Drummond
- Thomas

Ibaka can help Detoit similar to Drummond but also strech the floor behind the arc! Justion Jackson can create his shoot on the wing.

Wizards will not get much better and Beal will look to win soon! He can try to follow Leonard, a risk but also a chance for him and Toronto.

Mavs get their force in the middle and a young 3&D that can growth behind Iguodala that Mavs get in another trade. The are out of picks for the next years but have the roster to build success!


24 Sep 2019 15:08:09
Doubt that Toronto offers that much for Beal.

Also doubt Hardaway+JustinJackson+DistantFuturePick gets Drummond.

23 Sep 2019 14:32:32
Tor: Wiggins

Minny: D booker

Phoe: Ibaka+Anuny+ 1rnd pick Minny 2020+ 2022+ 2024

23 Sep 2019 14:59:48
TOR wouldn’t take Wiggins for that package - they would need more value.

23 Sep 2019 21:21:56
Minnesota isn't trading 3 1st round picks to swap out one bad contract for another bad contract. Booker isn't that much better than Wiggins.

23 Sep 2019 22:56:55
Carl, Booker is 23, has gotten better every years, and just put up 27 and 7 on 58 percent ts. It’s not his fault that the team sucks. He’s been a bad defender, but he also hasn’t had a decent defense around him or people who know what they’re doing. How is that guy overpaid?

22 Sep 2019 21:51:41
Toronto, Miami, and Magic trade
Toronto:Winslow, Fultz, Bamba, and Myers Leonard
Orlando: Lowry, Herro
Miami: Aaron Gordon, Norman Powell, and 2nd rounder Toronto 2020

22 Sep 2019 22:33:02
Toronto is getting way to much and Orlando is giving up way to much. I think you’re overvaluing Lowry a ton.

23 Sep 2019 00:39:14
No sure Miami is okay with this.

18 Sep 2019 09:03:27
Chris Paul and M. Muscala

Serge Ibaka and G. Dieng plus 1st picks from Toronto and Minnesota (lottery protected)

Andrew Wiggins and N. Noel

Minny: Paul-Okogie-Culver-Covington-Towns 6thman:Teague

Toronto: Lowry-Powell-Wiggins-Siakam-Gasol 6thman: VanVleet

OKC: SGA-Fegurson-Gallinari-Ibaka-Adams 6thman: Schroeder

18 Sep 2019 11:09:35

18 Sep 2019 12:49:01
Also, the Ibaka+first can probably get you Derozen back in Toronto.

18 Sep 2019 13:48:59
There is no way they are trading for DeRozan back though. All the reasons that they traded him in the first place still apply. (Choking in the playoffs) besides, that'd be an even bigger slap in the face than trading him in the first place.

18 Sep 2019 20:14:13
I disagree with everything you said Chuigi. The reason they traded him was to get a top 10 player in the league. If they could get him back for cheap (Ibaka and a first) and stay competitive in the east, they'd do it.

And taking him back to a place he loved isn't a slap in the face. I guess if they said to him "well, we lost Leonard, so you're better than nothing" it would be. But if handled right, it would be a pretty easy transition.

18 Sep 2019 23:06:28
Totally fair. I agree he could understand, maybe even be cool with it. I just think there is a good chance there are still some hard feelings between him and the organization. Obviously this is just my opinion and I you understand that it is probably a little biased.

19 Sep 2019 02:37:21
Take out the 1st from TOR and i think it could work. Noel and Wiggins for just ibaka is more fair than Ibaka and a 1st. Any situation OKC can get a 1st while moving Paul would be a win and they bring back Ibaka for a homecoming. The only reason i don't say take out the 1st from minny too is because they get out of Wiggins, and also Dieng if it was just Wiggins they don't include a 1st.

19 Sep 2019 02:54:03
Plus, throw in that the man (Lebron) that kept beating Derozen is no longer in the East helps in bringing Derozen back to Toronto.

19 Sep 2019 06:43:58
After the damage Jimmy Butler’s meltdown did to KAT, I think that there is no chance they would trade for Chris Paul. They want KAT to be the alpha player. After the way Paul demanded the ball from even James freakin’ Harden, I don’t think they’d risk alienating Towns by putting CP3 anywhere near the Wolves.

18 Sep 2019 03:19:18

MIL: K.Lowry, S.Napier

gain the PG of the team that eliminated them. Provide vet leadership and experience to this rising team. If doesn't work, it opens ample amount of money


TOR: A.Wiggins, G.Hill, T.Graham 1st round pick MIN, 1st round pick MIL
- maybe start rebuilding


MIN: E.Bledsoe, E.Ilyasova, N.Powell
- get players that could help them now and get rid of Wiggins


18 Sep 2019 15:33:55
Milwaukee would pass!

18 Sep 2019 17:56:09
Torque- bledsoe is not going to ever start on a championship team.

29 Sep 2019 22:45:03
Tor in: Wiggins, Hill, Graham, two first rounders
Tor out: Lowry, Powell
I think the Raptors are getting a bit too much.
Also, why would Milwaukee ever do this?

17 Sep 2019 18:06:54
WE KEEP BRUNSON! Since Houston will not sign with Shumpert - we have it! Shumpert is a good 3 & D guy, that can still slash in the paint.

It is what Dallas needs to share the sport with Curry!

Shumpert is strugling somehow but I think Mavs can offer him a great opportunity, by giving him the same contract that Maxi has but with restriction on money!

Sign Iman Shumpert 4y 36m - he will be happy! But to prove his 3&D value he gets:
- 3 m are garanteed
- 3 m coming from more than 1 steal a game per 36 minutes
- 3 m coming from more the 42% shooting and 35% 3point shooting a game per 36 minutes

Finally Mavs have all the tool to trade for Dummond:

- Hardayway
- 2nd Mavs 2020
- Ibaka
- Justin Jackson
- 1st Mavs
- Drummond
- (signs Shumpert)


17 Sep 2019 22:18:04
Voila! No.

17 Sep 2019 23:49:06
I get that we all over value players on our teams, I'm probably guilty of that too. But why do you think the Raptors would trade Ibaka for Hardaway. That's a lateral move at best.

17 Sep 2019 23:51:53
I question whether the Raptors would even do that, let alone the Pistons. Outside Luka, Kristaps, and maybe Powell, none of the Mavs have any real value. And that pick won't be for years.

18 Sep 2019 00:58:04
The Drummond trade is BS and has been for a while. But I am also trying to figure out where the cap space exists to sign Shumpert to a $9 mil per year deal. Dallas is over the salary cap and doesn't have a mid-level exception available to SIGN Shumpert.

18 Sep 2019 01:09:52
pourtant .

18 Sep 2019 09:31:30
Mavs have a Trade Exception that is more than 9m a year. So Houston will always agree to a S&T, since they will create a 9m trade exception for the Rockets!

Raports have Gasol for a year. Ibaka is 29/ 30 and he playes only 20 minutes anymore. Siamka is the go to guy already and he plays PF. But with Leonard leaving, Raports will miss a lot outside shooting. Maybe not on the high percentage, but exactly that is what Hardaway is good in! And if he stay health he is a good scorer and that has the physics to be a good defender and he can create his own shoot and make plays! I would always keep him, but Mavs have a lot of shooting and hence he is trade chip.

To say the Mavs have no value beside Magic/ Porzee shows a lot. There are good role players or at least very good backup players that any team needs.

18 Sep 2019 13:45:40
I agree. The Raptors don't really need Ibaka. I just feel like Hardaway hasn't proven himself enough as a defender or as a scorer to really be worth the trade.

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