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20 Jun 2017 22:20:49
Crazy trade but let's see how it goes


Project make twolves a super team

NYK-CHI-MIN



Knicks get Rubio + Dieng + Chicago second + future twolves 1st (2019? Don't know what can be traded)

Bulls get Lavine + Wolves #7

Wolves get Porzingis + Butler


Knicks: Rubio- Lee- Carmelo- Dieng- Noah

Bulls: Rondo- Lavine- Wade- Isaac- Lopez

Wolves: Dunn- Butler- Wiggins- Porzingis- Towns



Kinda crazy but I like it

21 Jun 2017 00:00:18
Kat and 7th for Porzingis bc he just better.

21 Jun 2017 00:01:18
Terrible for the Knicks.

21 Jun 2017 01:20:03
The offer for Butler is reasonable but the offer for Porzingis is horrible value on a player that is younger, cheaper and better than both Rubio and Dieng already. If Twolves were serious about getting Porzingis after the first trade Wiggins would have to be involved.

21 Jun 2017 01:44:18
I could see the Bulls making that deal if LaVine is healthy, but Knicks will want a better package than that.

21 Jun 2017 01:53:35
No way wolves get that much talent giving up so little. Wiggins or town would have to be part of this.

21 Jun 2017 03:15:50
If Lavine was healthy I say Yes for Bulls
But nobody knows that at this point
so Wiggins istade of Lavine

it's not a big gap between both anyway IMO.

20 Jun 2017 17:39:33
Wizards trade Porter(s&t), Morris, Mahinmi, Smith
Wizards get George, Anthony, 58th pick Knicks

Knicks trade Porzingis, Anthony, 58th pick
Knicks get 7th pick Wolves, Rubio, Porter, Smith

Pacers trade George, Ellis
Pacers get Dieng, Morris

Wolves trade Rubio, Dieng, 7th pick
Wolves get Porzingis, Mahinmi


Wizards:
Wall/Satoransky
Beal/Bogdanovic
George/Oubre
Anthony/#58
Gortat/#52
- Wizards build big 4, fill up roster mid-level and vet min (e.g. E.Okafor)

Knicks:
Rubio/
#7Monk/Lee
Porter/Thomas/Kuzminkas
#8Markkanen/O'Quinn/Smith
Hernangomez/Noah
- complete rebuild, draft future franchise SG in shooter Monk and Porzingis typ of talent in Markkanen

Pacers:
Teague/
Stephenson
T.Young/Morris
Turner/Dieng
Dieng/Jefferson
- let play Turner is natural position PF, Dieng (4y reasonable contract) and Morris (2y low-price contract) gives Indiana more value than leaving George and fast declining Ellis

Wolves:
Rose/Dunn/Jones
LaVine/Ellis/Rush
Wiggins/Tucker/Rush
Porzingis/Bjelica/Tucker
Towns/Mahinmi/Aldrich
- let Muhammad walk, sign Rose and Tucker to bring veteran experience to young and elite talented roster

20 Jun 2017 13:05:35
Knicks "build" offseason

Phil is obviously trying to move Melo to get younger and play the triangle, but what if he can't find a deal him? Why not build instead:

Three team deal:

To NYK - LMA

To CHI - Courtney Lee

To SAS - Hernangomez, Valentine

Knicks move Zinger to center while adding a star player. Bulls pick up much needed outside shooting without breaking the bank. Spurs get two young promising players, and I one move clear almost enough space to sign Chris Paul.

Knicks/ Wolves

To NYK: Rubio

To MIN: Pick 8, Noah

Knicks get their point guard, and ditch Noah's contract. Wolves have the space to take on Noah's deal, and add another lottery pick to use or package for a star player.

This still leaves the Knicks with approximately $20M worth of space to fill the Shooting Guard role (Iggy, Ian Clark? ) and bench support to go with O'Quinn, Thomas and Kuz.

20 Jun 2017 14:50:37
Knicks still won't makes playoffs with this team. The only option they have is to rebuild.

19 Jun 2017 23:46:04
Rumor has it Butler to Minnesota heating up again.

If I am Minnesota I offer Wiggins, Aldrich, and 7th pick for Butler and pick 16.

Minnesota still can draft a good you player and have cap space to add another asset or 2.

20 Jun 2017 02:10:43
They shouldn't give up Wiggins for Butler. At 22 Wiggins isn't far off from being an allstar.

20 Jun 2017 02:37:20
WIth Butler another year older and Wiggins another year developed (he really improved his 3pt shot just needs to work on defense where he has been a lot worse than predicted) I think this trade makes less sense than a year ago. Especially with the #7 pick involved where they can complete their lineup with perfect pf prospect in Issac. If LaVine were swapped for Wiggins I'd be alright with Twolves doing it or potentially if Dunn were swapped with #7.

19 Jun 2017 06:50:19
Pacers-Cavs-Timberwolves

PACERS get Rubio, Dieng, Pekovic, 1st round pick from Cleveland 2017

CAVS get Paul George

TIMBERWOLVES get Kevin Love

The Pacers get a relatively young point guard and a young big to go with a late 1 round pick. I'd throw in 2 if I need to if I'm Cleveland. I think Paul George will make a huge difference compared to Kevin Love. Kevin Love gets to pull a LeBron and go back to where he began his career, only this time with a much better supporting cast. He immediately plugs into the PF spot to form a big 3 with Wiggins and Towns.

19 Jun 2017 07:03:25
Actually very sensible but Timberwolves would at least have to give the Pacers their first pick this year.

19 Jun 2017 07:13:32
I think it makes more sense than George and Love straight swap. However, Cavs already dealt their 2017 1st to Portland. I think Pacers and Cavs could find a 3rd team willing to give up more attractive pieces for Love tho like the Nuggets for example. Not sure how willing Twolves would be to give up more when they should be able to get a solid pf prospect in Issac or Markkanen via the draft.

19 Jun 2017 10:10:01
Really? Love back to Min.

19 Jun 2017 21:23:54
Love would be a good fit in that Minny team, only not sure they want him back.

As a pacersfan you make me cry, we should get this years lottery pick and a future pick.

19 Jun 2017 23:20:52
Agreed. Paul George is worth more but I think they have very little leverage at this point. Any team has to be worried he will bolt for LAL and LAL knows they can have him for free in free agency. So why would anyone give up much for him? That's why I settled on that package.

19 Jun 2017 02:11:49
Melo Noah Thomas Ndour
For
Crabbe Turner Harkless Aminu Leonard

3 1st to wolves for Dennis Smith
Lillard/Smith/Napier
McCollum/Connaughton/Quartermann
Melo/Thomas/Layman
Davis/Vonleh/Ndour
Nurkic/Ezeli/Noah-10 game suspension

Turner/Ntilikina-8th/KSimmons-58th
Lee/Crabbe/Randle
Aminu/Harkless/Kuzinkas
Leonard/O'Quinn/Pasecniks-44th
Porzingis/Hernangomez/Plumlee

19 Jun 2017 04:57:25
If Portland actually wants to win, they need to shore up defense at the 3 and 4 position. They have plenty of scoring. Anthony is a great scorer, but holds the ball, stands around, and plays no real defense. He has zero track record of winning drive and culture and is not on the same career trajectory as the Blazer's core. And he would hate Portland and become an instant cancer. ie- Blazers have zero interest in C. Anthony.

19 Jun 2017 06:34:30
As Gobblyguber said Melo is an awful fit for Portland. This trade is also awful for Portland from a financial perspective who currently are projected to be in luxury the next 3 years. This trade doesn't really help them in this area which is probably their primary concern given their relatively young core and Nurkic going into final year of his contract.

18 Jun 2017 14:53:56
Three team trade

Philadelphia gets pick 7 and Allen Crabbe
Portland gets couple 2nd round picks
Minnesota gets Robert Covington, TLC, and pick 15

Philadelphia can take salary, so they get a good 3 point shooter in Crabbe while also getting another top 10 pick

Portland sheds a big contract

Minnesota gets a stretch 4 they need, plus a young wing and a mid 1st round pick.

18 Jun 2017 15:39:52
How about this
76ers get 3 1st rnd picks and crabbe
Blazers get bayless, covington, mcconnell &4 2nd pick.

18 Jun 2017 15:48:00
Why would Minny do this?

Not even sure Portland would do this.
Crabbe is a good shooter and his contract isn't that huge anymore. And Portland could draft Giles or Leaf with the 15 pick.

17 Jun 2017 04:41:43
Minnesota Twolves offseason

-Nikola Pekovic medically retires

-Trade Tyus Jones to Milwaukee for Rashad Vaughn and #48 pick

•Draft:
7- Jonathan Isaac (Not many people in the NBA can guard KD, I think Isaac has the potential to be able to)
48- Eric Mika

•Free Agency:
-Sign Justin Holiday 2yr 24m
-Sign Gerald Green 1yr 7m
-Sign Luke Babbitt 1yr 4m
-Sign Nate Robinson 1yr minimum

Lineup:
PG: Rubio, Dunn, Robinson
SG: Holiday, LaVine, Vaughn
SF: Wiggins, Green, Babbitt
PF: Dieng, Isaac, Bjelica
C: Towns, Aldrich, Mika.

17 Jun 2017 11:21:58
Why would Milwaukee want T. Jones? They currently have 4 PG's now. (Brogdan, Delladedova, G. Payton ll, J. Terry) AND give up a 2nd rd. pick PLUS SG R. Vaughn for him? The Bucks say No!

17 Jun 2017 12:45:49
Brogdon is a combo guard, Terry is a free agent, and Payton is barely worth a roster spot.

17 Jun 2017 14:16:51
If Milwaukee wanted a small PG, They would have kept Tyler Ennis! Terry will resign because of J. Kidd. Brogdan will be staying at PG, Payton is a better player than Jones. Here's a thought, Trade Z Lavine, or A Wiggins for Vaughn? Makes just as much sense!

19 Jun 2017 07:11:09
NO from Bucks

16 Jun 2017 09:19:30
Indy should go all in, if PG13 would like to stay

1) Indy- Atl-Nets

Indy: 2rnd pick Nets 2018

Atl: M Ellis
Atlanta could do this because D12 need shooters, ellis is a friend and Atlanta could enter the free agent marktet in 2020, when both contracts end.

Nets: Bazemore+ Jefferson+ 1rnd pick Indy 2017+ Wolves pick 2018 (top 12 protected)
The Nets take bad contracts, for draft picks, so they can rebuilt.

2) Indy- Denver
Indy; Faried
Denver: Young+ Nets 2nd round pick 2018

3) Indy would have about 54M in capspace, so they could sign Hayward and Lowry
also sign L Stephenson and Z-Bo for the vet minimum
And sign Rondo with the mid level exception

C: M turner/Z-Bo/Seraphin
Pf: Farried/ Z-BO/ L Allen
SF: PG13/ L Stephenson/ G Robinson
SG: G Hayward/ CJ Miles/ G Robinson
PG: K Lowry/Rondo/Booker

16 Jun 2017 12:54:55
Why would Indy trade Faried for Young and why would they trade #18.

16 Jun 2017 13:43:15
Because he's on a cheaper contract and Lowry, Hayward, PG13 and Miles can shoot, so they need a rebounder.

16 Jun 2017 14:39:01
same thing. hawks would never trade Bazemore for Ellis. Ellis is on the decline, Bazemore a solid wing player in his prime, he has much more value.

16 Jun 2017 14:39:59
if Ellis is so good, take out Hawks and make it a more realistic 2 team trade.

16 Jun 2017 00:51:53
Out of the box trade idea

Sixers/Kings/ Wolves

Sixers get 5&7&10

Kings get 3

Wolves get Saric and 2 second round picks

Sixers draft Tatum/Smith/ Markkanen

Guards: Simmons; Smith
Forwards: Tatum; Markkanen
Center: Embiid

16 Jun 2017 01:46:38
Minnesota is going to need more than Saric and a couple of 2nd round picks to trade 7.

16 Jun 2017 03:09:32
7 for Saric is more than fair, Saric fits perfectly next to KAT and has higher ceiling and less risky than Giles, Markkanen. Wolves would be dumb to say no.

16 Jun 2017 00:26:53
Terrible trade... .. all teams say no but whatever

Cle- Min- Lac

Cleveland gets Rubio, Jordan, pick #7 (monk)

Min gets Kyrie Irving, Shumpert, future clippers pick

Clippers get Dieng, Lavine

CLe: Rubio- Monk- Lebron- Love-Jordan

Min: Irving- Shumpert-Wiggins- Bjelixa- Towns

Clippers: Paul- Lavine- Sign SF- griffin- Dieng

15 Jun 2017 15:44:23
Nets: Bazemore+ Jefferson+ 1rnd pick Indy 2017 + 2018 Wolves pick

Atlanta: M Ellis

Indy: 2rnd pick 2018 Nets

Indy signs Hayward and K Lowry

C: Turner
Pf: Young
SF: PG13
SG: Hayward
PG: K Lowry

15 Jun 2017 16:08:47
Solid idea. I didn't realize how much cap space Indy will have this summer.

15 Jun 2017 16:09:28
no way hawks trade Bazemore for Ellis.

15 Jun 2017 17:06:45
Hate to burst the bubble, but the Celtics own the Nets 2018 first round pick.

15 Jun 2017 17:14:30
My bad, the Nets 2nd Rd pick is listed not the 1st Rd pick. I apologize.

15 Jun 2017 17:20:28
forma. Plus Wolves 2018 1st.

15 Jun 2017 17:38:14
Add a 2nd rounder to the hawks and I think they'll accept.

15 Jun 2017 17:42:50
Atlanta could do the trade.
D Howard likes Ellis and he's on a cheaper contract.

15 Jun 2017 18:28:06
Pacers have almost 79 mil in contracts to 13 players next season, they rid themselves of 21 mil from Big Al and Ellis. Hayward 30 mil
Lowry 25-30 mil

They are way over the cap up near the threshold.

Pacers trade for young inexpensive players and picks and build around Miles Turner.

15 Jun 2017 20:37:07
Excluding team option, the Pacers are at 65 Million total for the roster giving them roughly 40 million to spend if they don't resign any of their free agents . If they dealt those two players they would have over 60 million in cap space.

15 Jun 2017 23:02:10
Rkenne_16, I think your numbers are estimated incorrectly. I used spotrac. com and came to $48 million in cap space if this trade were to happen (although I doubt Atlanta does it) . The cap is to be $101mm and the current cap for Indiana is $74mm. if they renounce the rights to Jeff Teague, CJ Miles, and Aaron Brooks. Then after shedding $21mm in this trade they would be at $53mm. $48mm in space. Lowry and Gordon H. Are not coming to town for a combined $48mm.

15 Jun 2017 03:37:43
Timberwolves/Celtics/ NYK trade
Timberwolves trade: Wiggins #7 Rubio Bjelica
Celtics trade: crowder #1
NYK trade: Anthony
TW receive: Anthony #1
Celtics receive: wiggins #7
NYK receive: rubio bjelica
Wolves draft fultz #1

15 Jun 2017 06:29:33
I can't see Anthony and Tibbs a good fit together.

15 Jun 2017 11:11:55
crazy trade but i like it, Anthony alongside Towns, LaVine, Fultz and Dieng sounds nice

u forgot that Knicks also receive Crowder
so they trade Anthony for Rubio, Crowder, Bjelica. fair trade.

14 Jun 2017 06:15:59
Raptors Offseason
(If Kyle Lowry leaves)

-Renounce all other free agents

-Trade Demar Derozan, #23 pick, and Lucas Nogueira to Minnesota for Andrew Wiggins, #7 pick, and Jordan Hill

•Draft:
7- Jonathan Isaac

•Free Agency:
-Sign Nik Stauskas 2yr 14m
-Sign Donatas Motiejunas 1yr 8m
-Sign Randy Foye 1yr 5m

Lineup:
PG: Joseph, Wright, VanVleet
SG: Powell, Stauskas, Foye
SF: Wiggins, Carroll, Caboclo
PF: Isaac, Siakam, Motiejunas
C: Valunciunas, Poetl, Hill.

14 Jun 2017 08:40:19
Stauskas is not FA.

14 Jun 2017 08:41:41
That doesn't interest me at all in I'm Twolves. With their timeline I'd probably not even deal Wiggins for Derozan straight up let alone include #7 too.

14 Jun 2017 11:36:01
I just can't believe that someone is disagreeing over the FACT that Stauskas is not free agent.

14 Jun 2017 12:24:39
I just can't believe you care.

14 Jun 2017 15:50:09
Believe it tonchco. You can say Warriors won the Championship and those same kids will disagree.

14 Jun 2017 01:17:54
Lakers trade #2 for sac #5,#10

Lakers trade #10 and Jordan clarkson for blazers #15,#20,#26

Lakers trade #20 and mozgov to nets for troy Daniels and 2nd rounder

Lakers trade #26 and luol deng to twolves for 2nd rounder and filler

Draft best available players at #5,#15,#28

Sign Derrick rose 1yr 10million

Pg:rose
Sg:Russell
Sf:Ingram
Pf:randle
C:zubac

Plenty of cap space for 2018 free agents

13 Jun 2017 18:31:18
Twolves-Lakers-Pacers

Twolves get #2 pick (draft Josh Jackson) and Luol Deng

Lakers get Paul George and #7 pick

Pacers get Andrew Wiggins, Jordan Clarkson, and #28 pick.

13 Jun 2017 19:08:26
The 2nd pick alone isn't enough for Wiggins let alone giving up their pick and taking on Deng.

13 Jun 2017 20:16:49
Not enough for Twolves. No way #2, #28, Clarkson and Deng gets you George and #7. That may not even get you George alone.

Wiggins wouldn't be an awful return for Pacers tho.

13 Jun 2017 20:45:21
Wiggins is overrated.

14 Jun 2017 00:12:27
Wiggins is young.

14 Jun 2017 00:16:49
I agree with burger, Wiggins' only skill is scoring.

12 Jun 2017 17:43:44
Hawks-Timberwolves

Millsap(s&t), Bembry, #21, Return Min 2018 1st for Pekovic, #7

12 Jun 2017 22:19:12
I believe Twolves can apply for Peks medical retirement since he hasn't played for a year and get his contract off the books. Therefore this trade makes no sense for Twolves who can sign Millsap outright and keep the #7.

12 Jun 2017 01:47:15
T Wolves - Kings - Sixers

TW
Trade: Ricky Rubio, Goergi dieng, 7th pick, Tyus jones,
Get: 3rd pick, 10th pick

K
Trade: 5th pick, 10th pick,
Get: Ricky Rubio, Georgi Dieng, 8th pick,

76
Trade: 3rd pick
Get: 5th pick, 7th pick, Tyus Jones

T Wolves
Draft Jackson and Ntilikina
Let Muhammad, Rush, Payne go
Sign: Millsap 3 yr/75 m, Casspi/Sefolosha 2yr 5m each

Pg: Dunn, Ntilikina, vet min
Sg: Jackson, Lavine, Ntikilina
Sf: Wiggins, Jackson, Sefolosha
Pf: Millsap, Bjelica, Casspi
C: Towns, Alrich, vet min

12 Jun 2017 04:39:31
Kings get screwed. Sixers get too much.

12 Jun 2017 04:57:23
a bit too wishful for 76er fans. You'de have to add much more than the 3rd pick to get 5th, 7th, and Jones.

12 Jun 2017 07:32:36
Doesn't make much sense for Kings. They should opt for a younger guard than Rubio and don't need another big like Dieng.

12 Jun 2017 17:14:57
How are the Kings getting the Knicks 8th pick?

11 Jun 2017 17:28:10
Twolves offseason

-Trade Cole Aldrich and Tyus Jones to Cleveland for Iman Shumpert

•Draft:
7- Jonathan Isaac

-Nikola Pekovic medically retires or waived (contract off the books)
-Waive Jordan Hill (non-guaranteed)

•Free Agency:
-Sign Willie Reed 1yr 9m
-Re-sign Shabazz Muhammad 3yr 36m
-Re-sign Brandon Rush 1yr 4m
-Sign Tiago Splitter 1yr 3m
-Sign Brian Roberts 1yr minimum
-Sign Jamel Artis (undrafted free agent)

Lineup:
PG: Rubio, Dunn, Roberts
SG: LaVine, Shumpert, Rush
SF: Wiggins, Muhammad, Artis
PF: Dieng, Isaac, Bjelica
C: Towns, Reed, Splitter.

11 Jun 2017 17:46:13
The trade doesn't save the Cavs money or give them players that are in the rotation. I'm not sure why they would do that. Jones doesn't seem significantly better than Felder and Aldrich doesn't fit the Cavs style of play.

11 Jun 2017 17:55:51
Jones has potential and gives them a cheap backup point guard option and Aldrich gives them a big backup center for Thompson insurance in case he is hurt.

11 Jun 2017 18:12:01
They like Felder's potential and they could get a veteran emergency big for the minimum that is a better fit. I could see them dealing Shump, but they'll atleast want a rotation player or picks and cap relief.

11 Jun 2017 17:25:24
Timberwolves do not need additional 1st rounders on their roster Add 2-3 FA"s

Pekovic medical retire.
Release Hill and do not sign Muhammad. Brings this salary cap to 53,000,000

Sign Ibaka 3 yr 45,000,000
Sign Derrick Favors for 2 yrs 20,000,000

Line up

Start Ibaka,Towns,Wiggins,Lavine Rubio

Bench Dieng,Favors, Bjelcia,Dunn,Jones,Aldrich,

11 Jun 2017 17:37:22
Lol this is funny. Ibaka will get way more money than that and Favors isn't even a free agent.

11 Jun 2017 17:44:40
@NBA Looks good, but I think your FA salaried are too low, they are always higher than people expect.

@lakeelmo Why would you take a young and upcoming team and burden them with past their prime guys? Wolves are doing a long term build.

11 Jun 2017 17:59:16
I like the idea of Minnesota going after some big name free agents. I'm not sure Favors isthe best fit. I think going after a pg who can score, a stretch PF, and a 3 and D wing would be a good idea. They have the talent in place to make a run at the playoffs now and a few free agents could make a scary team for the foreseeable future.

11 Jun 2017 23:29:03
It's not in Wolves makeup to be a contender. The last time they were relevant was 14 yrs ago. Thanks to KG. Taylor is only interested in making money, not making the playoffs.

But getting a big name FA will not happen. He'll wait for Wiggins and KAT to reach maximum trading value and start all over again. He will trade one or both of them in the next 3 yrs. It was in my fortune cookie I got last night, even the Chinese have him figured out.

12 Jun 2017 00:31:45
Jalex: favors is 25, ibaka is 27. It's not like they're signing 35 year olds. Favors definitely fits the age range. Ibaka is a bit old for them, but he would fit with towns, and is still relatively young.


That said, ibaka will get more, and favors isn't a free agent.

 
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