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12 Jul 2019 16:33:31
So in order for this idea to happen, the clippers would have to trade some cash/ 2nd rounder for a non guaranteed minimum/ rookie deal.

OKC gets James Johnson, Kelly Olynyk, Mo Harkless, Jerome Robinson, 2 future 2nds from Clippers

Miami gets CP

Clippers get Dragic

Dragic/ Beverley
Shamet/ Lou Will
Kawhi/ Mcgruder/ Mann
George/ Green
Zubac/ Harrell/ Kabengele.

12 Jul 2019 20:49:40
As a Clippers fan I like this trade it seems to work for everyone, but maybe I'm just being a homer.

12 Jul 2019 21:38:22
Clippers have picks left?

08 Jul 2019 15:19:29
Nuggets send: Michael Porter Jr., Malik Beasley, Paul Millsap, and the Nugget’s 2020 and 2022 unprotected first round pick.

Raptors send: Pascal Siakam, and Kyle Lowry.

The Nuggets cash in on their young prospects with upside to address their biggest need, they get a 4 who can guard big wings and is extremely switchable on the perimeter. He also compliments Jokic really well as a lean springier guy who can help block shots. He’s young, cheap, and the type of player who may be the most valuable in the NBA. They also get Kyle Lowry as a guy who brings experience, and all the skills that let him thrive in an offball situation, defense, shooting and passing, plus he’s an expiring so if it doesn’t work out he’s gone and you don't have to worry about some age stuff. This create a pretty sexy small-ish line up of
1. Lowry
2. Jamal Murray
3. Gary Harris
4. Pascal Siakam
5. Jokic
That matches up a lot better with a modern team like the Clippers imo.

The Raptors do a true blow up following Kawai’s departure. Why you cash in on Pascal now is 2 fold:
1. Him not being a lead scoring threat means that he’s not really a guy go center a rebuild around but Pascal and the rest of the team probably are too good to get that scorer in the draft.
2. If this is a true long term rebuild, Siakam is already 25, which while it isn’t young, if this is a 4 year rebuild Siakam will substantially lose his value by the time the window comes back open. Instead you get the crazy high upside of two 20 years olds in MPJ (who needs to be on ball and probably needs a year of learning on ball and sucking) and Beasley who’s incredibly young and athletic enough where he could become more than a 3&D guy. The Raptors are going to suck w/ o Lowry, Pascal, and Kawai, and the Raps get an extra first next year which probably won’t be worth very much but they also get an unprotected pick in the vaunted double draft of 2022, which is an amazing asset. Moving forward there is a real chance the Raptors would be set on the wing at
2. Beasley
3. OG
4. Porter jr.

And the mission in the draft with their own picks and the Raptors picks is to find a young PG and C.

08 Jul 2019 16:21:46
Denver just traded their 2020 pick to OKC for J. Grant. Moves Gallinari into the starting 4 spot.

08 Jul 2019 16:37:36
@Fredman In my defense I posted this before that went public. I’ll count this as a win, clearly Denver agreed about the kind of guy they needed in the 4 spot since Grant and Pascal are the same “type” of player.

08 Jul 2019 17:44:29
Grant is not pascal of offense or playmaking.

08 Jul 2019 18:49:29
They got the same "type" for much less of a price paid. That in itself is a win.

09 Jul 2019 02:58:47
Can’t Grant play the 3? He is 6’9” and 220.if he can guard four positions then he can play the 3 with Milsap. am I missing something there?

09 Jul 2019 14:21:33
terrible trade for Raptors if they aren't willing to trade siakim for PG13 then won't trade him for this.

09 Jul 2019 23:36:36
@Shiller well yeah, hence the price difference but they are both weakside shot blockers who are mobile enough to hang outside.

07 Jul 2019 15:20:16
TOR - OKC - PHX - WSH

TOR sends Lowry to PHX, Ibaka, Miller and 2021 1st to WSH.
TOR gets Westbrook, Beal, Korver

OKC sends Westbrook to TOR, Diallo and LAC 2020 and 2022 1st to WSH.
OKC gets Johnson, Bridges and Okobo

WSH sends Beal to TOR
WSH gets Ibaka, Miller, Saric and Diallo, TOR 2021 1st, LAC 2020 and 2022 1st, PHX 2020 1st

PHX sends Korver to TOR, Saric and 2020 1st to WSH, Johnson, Bridges and Okobo to OKC.
PHX gets Lowry

Toronto rebuilds on the fly, Washington clears cap and gets bounty of picks, Phoenix gets the point guard they need and OKC gets out of tax hell

07 Jul 2019 15:44:09
OKC and Phoenix are getting stolen from. The raptors are doing the stealing.

07 Jul 2019 22:03:27
Taking westbrook makes them the loser.

09 Jul 2019 14:25:09
TO is not trading lowry this season unless he wants to go. mid season trade for a playoff team if Raptors don't add extras for a push in the playoff run.

07 Jul 2019 13:05:30
Grizz-Clippers

Valanciunas for Zubac, McGruder.

07 Jul 2019 16:10:35
Zubac is better and on a cheaper contract (propably)

07 Jul 2019 04:24:08
Miami Boston and OKC.
3 team trade.
Miami gets Gordon Hayward
Boston gets Russell
OkC gets Dragic and Johnson.

Why?
Miami gets another star type player to pair with butler.
Boston boosts their backcourt and goes for it all now.
OKC gets salary relief to rebuild. Plus they acquired all those picks from Clippers. They can do a full on rebuild.

07 Jul 2019 13:24:59
After what Boston went through with Irving, there's no way they'd make a move on Westbrook.

08 Jul 2019 20:41:00
And why does okc do this? Hard pass

06 Jul 2019 21:58:41
If OKC is going to blown it up

OKC-Heat


OKC gets dragic, winslow, herro n picks

Heat get Westbrook

Heat-Butler n Westbrook duo would be intense

Okc-gets 2 really good young talents in herro n Winslow n more pick to add to all the pick they got from clippers n rebuild through the draft

07 Jul 2019 00:24:49
Winslow has never shot 44% isn't really young.

06 Jul 2019 15:55:07
TOTAL REBUILD for OKC


OKC/ MIN/ MIA

OKC gets MIA 1st 2020, Winslow, Dragic, Wiggins, Covington
*Sends picks acquired from LAC to CLE for K. Love


MIN gets Shai, Roberson, Adams


Westbrook
Herro
Butler
JJ
Bam


Teague
Shai
Roberson
Towns
Adams


Dragic
Wiggins
Covington
Winslow
Love.

06 Jul 2019 18:46:48
Miami cannot trade its 2020 pick until draft day because Miami does not own a 2021 first rounder per the CBA.

06 Jul 2019 08:25:04
Thunder and Pelicans

Westbrook, Ferguson, and Schroder for

NOP, for Holiday, Redick, and Moore.

No draft picks . Stunned by the Paul George trade to the Clippers.

06 Jul 2019 16:54:18
Pels say no fast.

02 Jul 2019 22:35:39
Kawhi!

If he would have a clear idea he would have agreed already.

Lakers may be a dream, but their he is a guy that play with LeBron and AD. He has other stars but is only one of them.

At Clippers he would be the star, like on Toronto, but not another star and would he be able to win again?

Mavs have MagicLuca and Porzee and a large supporting casts. So he would have potential 3 starts but he would be the GoToGuy, Kawhi`s Mavericks! And Cuban could provide him a learjet so he can live in LA with 50min to workplace. : )

Since Green would probably get a lot of money at Lakers in this case, Mavs could force a S&T with Toronto to provide cheep players for a year.

Raptors:
- Jackson, Lee, 1st
Mavs:
- S&T Kawhi 5y 190m

xxx = Kawhi !

03 Jul 2019 01:27:18
Claw is not going to the Mavs, period.

03 Jul 2019 01:28:27
I'm not sure what's worse, your trades, or your grammar? Both make everyone say wtf?

03 Jul 2019 03:13:06
Kind of curious if there is descension in Kawhi's camp. Kawhi wants to stay in Toronto while his uncle is still trying to convince him to go to LA?

03 Jul 2019 13:51:51
When did the Mavs get in the mix? Did I miss something?

02 Jul 2019 20:38:41
Sixers rest of off-season:
Really like what Philly was able to accomplish. Have Harris signed for 5 years, Horford 4 years, Richardson 4 years(at a bargain of $10 mill per), Embiid for 4 more years, and just offered Simmons a Max 5 year extension. Butler was never going to resign, so getting Josh Richardson was a great move. A few last moves:
1. Sign Avery Bradley to vet min.
2. Offer Quinn Cook (rfa) around 5 mill to be backup of who can shoot.

If Leonard signs with clippers, Philly has as good as shot as anyone to win it all next year.

02 Jul 2019 21:06:34
They should find a replacement for reddick. Bradley would be a good fit, but i would look for a better 3-point shooter.

The Bucks lost this free agency (overpaying Middelton and lost brogdon) and Boston lost Irving and Horford, So philly has a good chance indeed, if K Leonard go's to LA.

02 Jul 2019 21:08:43
With that line up they have as good as shot as anyone regardless of where kawhi goes.

03 Jul 2019 05:37:54
Good interior defense. Probably poor perimeter defense.

03 Jul 2019 13:59:51
The length of Simmons, Richardson and Harris will be just fine imo on the perimeter. Especially with Horford and Embiid behind them in the paint. On paper, they should be atleast a top 5 defense in the league.

Agree they could use another shooter (preferably a combo guard), that can run the offense when Simmons needs a blow. With that said though, with the current roster there's really only like around 15 minutes remaining for a backup PG.

03 Jul 2019 15:02:33
GSW just renounced Quin Cook this morning, making him a UFA. Would be perfect fit for 15-20 minutes of backup pg and can really shoot the 3 at a high percentage.

02 Jul 2019 05:10:18
I think it can’t be over emphasized how important it is for the Clippers to beat the Lakers to Kawai. Getting a Lebron stopper would really be an on the court symbol for the Clippers standing up to the Lakers and it would continue to engrain an identity in the Clippers franchise. Having said that, Kawai’s Laker interest and apparent call to KD pre-FA has illustrated that Kawai does significantly value having a co-star. If that’s the case the Clippers HAVE to get one. Therefore.

Clippers send: SGA and the 2021 Heat 1st round pick, Danillo Gallinari
Clippers receive: Bradley Beal

Wizards send: Bradley Beal
Wizards receive: SGA and the 2021 Heat 1st round pick, Andrew Wiggins, Josh Okogie, 2021 Timberwolves pick Top 4 protected.

Timberwolves send: Andrew Wiggins, Josh Okogie, 2021 1st round pick top 4 protected
Timberwolves receive: Danillo Gallinari

Basically, I’m sure the Clippers have already investigated this but were probably hoping to hold out either SGA or the pick and plug Shamet in instead. But now it’s crunch time, the Clippers got to make a move and concede to giving both pieces. Then the Wizards know they are going to suck and pass Gallinari on to Minnie to get the young pieces that come with taking on Wiggins deal. Wizards get an absolute hall for this deal.

Clippers:
Beverly
Shamet
Beal
Kawai
Zubac
All the spacing Plus the elite bench

Wizards:
SGA
Okogie
Wiggins
Jabari Parker
Mahimi

Wolves:
Jeff Teague
Culver
Covington
Gallinari
KAT.

02 Jul 2019 07:20:10
I like it, excellent and creative idea. It’s a tough pill for the clippers to swallow, but if it means you’re getting kawhi then you have to do it.

02 Jul 2019 10:05:59
There’s no way the wizards are taking on Wiggins in a Beal deal and the T wolves aren’t giving up enough to get off him.

02 Jul 2019 15:09:12
Clippers aren't giving up Shai. They will give up Gallinari, Shamet, Thornwell, Wallace, both Miami picks, and one of their future 1sts. If Robinson needs to be thrown in, they would do that too.

02 Jul 2019 16:35:44
I understand the wolves want to get rid of Wiggins’ contract, but at the cost of Josh Okogie and two firsts? No thank you.

02 Jul 2019 16:36:07
1 first. My point stands.

02 Jul 2019 16:52:41
One guy says that’s too high of a cost to get rid of Wiggins, another says it’s not enough. Maybe splitting the difference is an appropriate price.

And GPack, none of that gets the Beal deal done, SGA is the centerpiece, the Wizards can’t make a deal and not even get the best young asset on the team they are trading with.

01 Jul 2019 22:35:17
Warriers and Lakers moves to come?

Will Kawhi go to Lakers? I am not convinced, to be a second fidle beside LeBron? Or to team up at Clippers, to win Nothing? At Mavs he could sign and maybe win rings but it is in the outlaw of Texas. : ) So he may stay in Toronto and try a repeat.


Hence I expect an LA GS trade:
- Lakers: Russell
- Warriers: Kuzma, 1st and 25m exception to sign Cousins.

Kuzma may take the role of KD and go to SF. With the inactive Player exception the could take Lee for a year from Mavs.

Cousins
Green
Kuzma
Thompson(Lee)
Curry

That Team could try to go for another Championship.

01 Jul 2019 22:55:36
What’s the Lakers motivation to do this? Kuzma is on a cheaper deal, no?

01 Jul 2019 23:05:57
Russell can't be traded until December 15th. I assume Cousins doesn't want to wait that long. Nor do the Lakers want to wait that long to use their cap space.

01 Jul 2019 23:21:33
No chance Kawhi goes to Mavs.

01 Jul 2019 23:36:42
Lakers still have a first round pick to trade after the Davis Deal and the Stepien Rule?

02 Jul 2019 10:09:43
I think they have 1 and possibly 2 tradable picks, but I could be wrong with all the weird protections.

01 Jul 2019 06:41:30
Clippers: Holiday, Leaf, Mcdermott, 21 2nd

Pacers : Robinson, Shamet.

01 Jul 2019 12:57:11
I like this for Indy, but why would the clippers do this?

01 Jul 2019 14:15:34
Clippers laugh.

30 Jun 2019 18:39:34
Moves I would like to see the Kings do in Free Agency.

Sign Dedmond $25 mil/ 2 years.
Waive WCS QO
Sign Ariza $25 mil/ 2 years
Trade lottery protected 1st rounder for Capella
Trade Bjelica for Gallinari (clippers salsry dump)

Fox/ Farrell/ Guy
Heild/ James
Ariza/ Bogdanovich
Bagley/ Gallo/ Giles
Capella/ Dedmond

And then just run every night until the other teams stars throw up.

May trade Gallo at the trade deadline.

30 Jun 2019 20:29:22
Don't know about the rest but Gallo NOT HAPPENING.

30 Jun 2019 09:54:55
Toronto if Kawhi leaves

Key veteran for bad contracts and young talents

Sign and trade Kawhi to Clippers for Gallinari and Landry Shamet

Marc Gasol to Boston for Gordon Hayward and Romeo Langford

Kyle Lowry to Indiana for Doug Mcdermott and Goga Bidatze

30 Jun 2019 16:22:17
Toronto isn't blowing it up. Even if Kawhi leaves, I think Toronto is going to have a honeymoon season where they keep all of their returning players and "try" to defend their title.

Trading players like Lowry and Gasol I think would just put a bitter taste in the Toronto fan's mouths and I don't think Toronto would get enough in return.

They should at least wait until the deadline.

30 Jun 2019 17:04:56
Clippers will never do that. S/ T Gallo only or sign Kawhi outright. Sham 2nd team All Rookie 2nd best 3 point shooting ever by a rookie. If the worst had to happen to dump Gallo for 2nd MAX and no trades are available stretch Gallo to open 2nd MAX.

There are several teams that already called the Clips wanting Gallo but only trading him if 2nd MAX is needed.

30 Jun 2019 03:02:35
HEAT : Butler, Gallinari, Gilgeous-Alexander

76ers : Richardson, Waiters, Olynyk, McGruder

Clippers : Smith, Bolden, Okpala, Anderson (Waive)

30 Jun 2019 06:12:19
Clips don’t need to give SGA away. Heat get way too much in return.

30 Jun 2019 11:21:19
Clippers refused to give up SGA in an AD trade, it will never happen.

30 Jun 2019 13:27:13
The heat are the only team that win with this. It's not close.

30 Jun 2019 02:44:58
Durant and Kawai talking about teaming up, but need to move Gallinari to make room.

ATL: Plumlee or Hill

LAC: Gallinari

Saves 10m.

30 Jun 2019 05:21:25
Need more for 2nd max slot. Somewhere around $16 mil in savings.

30 Jun 2019 07:21:51
Neither want to be in Lebron's shadow.
They are coming to ny.

30 Jun 2019 12:18:24
Alright shiz.

30 Jun 2019 13:47:09
Gotta give it to shizzee. Never give up hope. No matter how many times you have been wrong.

30 Jun 2019 13:50:28
Neither want to deal with Dolan. They’re going to Brooklyn.

30 Jun 2019 18:17:10
Guess shizzee will be catching the train to Brooklyn to watch winning basketball. Oh, wait. There will be winning basketball played at MSG. By every visiting team. lol.

29 Jun 2019 18:04:32
Kings - Gallo
Clippers - Swanigan and 2nd

- reports are KD and Kawhi are communicating on the possibility of playing together

Fox
Hield
Gallo
Barnes
Bagley

Beverley
SGA
Shamet (KD)
Kawhi
Harrell

29 Jun 2019 18:31:39
Either 2 2nds or a late 1st we don't need the player.

29 Jun 2019 20:02:32
Maybe not only did it bc Harrell is the only big under contract for Clips and Swanigan is cheap.

29 Jun 2019 20:43:03
Gallo does nothing for the Kings as cap space will probably be used resigning Barnes and a big like Horford.

I know topbrass (and the Clips) feel that Gallo has value and should receive draft picks in return, but to the Kings, he is just a $22 mil salary that is just in the way.

If the Kings were to trade a draft pick during this free agency, I would rather it be used for Capella than for Gallo.

29 Jun 2019 21:12:20
Fredman, I wouldn’t call Gallo a nobody for the Kings. He could help y’all push for the playoffs.

29 Jun 2019 21:21:44
Best offer I would give for Gallo is Gallo for Bjelica + 2020 2nd rounder (worse houston or Golden State) .

This still puts the Clips at 2 max slots with cap holds still on Beverly + Zubac + Kabengele.

29 Jun 2019 21:30:13
Gallo is an extremely poor fit for the pace that the Kings play as well as the taking minutes from Bagley at the 4 which is his natural position. I doubt Gallo will be "cool" coming off the bench for maybe 20 mins a night since he is in his last year of his deal. He doesn't "add" enough to justify paying him (instead of someone else) $22 mil AND giving up draft assets. Nope! Not when I might be able to get a Horford for that amount and keep the pick.

29 Jun 2019 22:24:00
Gallo had the best season of his career this year. He was either the 7th or 8th best forward in the NBA last season garnering several All NBA votes. The Clippers have several teams waiting to hear from them about Gallo. Clippers only trade Gallo if they need a 2nd MAX slot.

29 Jun 2019 22:51:15
How many of those "interested" teams have $16 mil in cap space AND are not spending it on big (or any) free agents?

30 Jun 2019 06:58:14
In absolutely the worst case Gallo can be stretched to open 2nd MAX slot. But UTA needs a stretch 4 and can get Gallo on the cheap.

30 Jun 2019 20:36:02
If 2nd MAX is needed it would be for Butler
PHI S&T Butler for Gallo and maybe a 2nd. Otherwise loose Butler for nothing IND and UTA both have space and need for Gallo.

27 Jun 2019 01:52:02
Clippers-Kings

Clippers get Bogdanovic
- sign Kawhi Leonard & Tobias Harris
- resign Beverley

Shai-Beverley
Shamet-Williams
Leonard-Bogdanovic-Wallace
Harris-Green
Harrell-Zubac

Kings get Gallinari, Robinson, Sixers 1st
- sign Vucevic

Fox-Ferrell
Hield-Mason
Gallinari-Robinson
Bagley-Bjelica
Vucevic-Giles

27 Jun 2019 05:36:13
El paso.

27 Jun 2019 18:37:41
Couple of problems with this trade
1. Clippers traded Phi 1st on draft day
2. Can't clear enough CAP space to sign Harris, Bogdanovic and Beverly either sign Harris then use Beverly's Bird rights to exceed CAP
3. Clips prefer to sign Kawhi, than pair either Horford or Butler.

26 Jun 2019 16:24:36
Jimmy Butler S/T to Houston

Houston trades Capela and Gordon
Houston receives Jimmy Butler

76ers trade Jimmy Butler via sign and trade
76ers receive Gordon and Gallinari

Clippers trade Gallinari
Clippers receive Capela


Daryl morey gets his target (Jimmy). 76ers add two solid rotational pieces and both have expiring contracts so Philly can maintain cap space for when Ben Simmons' rookie max extension goes into effect. The clippers exchange an expiring contract for a proven young center signed for the next several years.

 
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