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14 Oct 2019 09:34:58
Bucks - Clippers - Thunder

Bucks gets:
Paul

Clippers gets:
Bledsoe
Ilyasova (expiring)
Nader

Thunder gets:
Harkless (expiring)
Hill
McGruder
Robinson
2020 1st Clippers (Lottery protected)
2021 2nd Pacers (via Bucks)

14 Oct 2019 15:14:56
Clippers pass.

12 Oct 2019 22:36:37
Clippers/Pistons January 15 or February 8

Clippers Trade Ivica Zubac Moe Harkless Jerome Robinson Rodney McGruder 2020 first round pick 2020 second round pick & 2021 second round pick

Pistons Trade Andre Drummond

Clippers receive Andre Drummond

Pistons receive Ivica Zubac Moe Harkless Jerome Robinson Rodney McGruder 2020 first round pick.via Clippers 2020 second round pick.via Clippers 2021 second round pick.via Clippers

13 Oct 2019 03:53:51
Stealin' from my posts, smooth?

13 Oct 2019 04:09:05
That's not enough for Drummond.

12 Oct 2019 04:41:27
I also want to contribute an Adams trade. I didn't like any posted so far because everyone is sending OKC bad contracts and not enough value.

Clippers get Adams

OKC gets Harkless, Robinson, Zubac and the 2020 1st round Pick (Top 26 protected - if it doesn't convey OKC gets 2 2nd rounders)

Clippers get a massive upgrade at Center without losing much depth.

OKC gets young talent, cap relieve and a highly protected Pick.

Your thoughts?

12 Oct 2019 10:30:59
Ps, he’s a solid player, but he’s overpaid. He isn’t an elite shot blocker, he doesn’t spread the floor and he isn’t a high end offensive player. There aren’t many teams that need centers and there a re significantly cheaper options with only slightly less production. Then you have some bigs that are going to cost a little more, but are better that could shake loose like Griffin, Love and Aldridge. It’s going to be hard to a team that is willing to give up something like you’re suggesting. It’s not impossible, but it’s not like there will be a ton of bidders and there will be other options.

12 Oct 2019 13:42:52
Clippers may be wating for the buyout market to get a big. Say Whiteside if he is traded from Portland once Nurkic recovers.

Also curious if same package could pull Drummond if Detroit is not a playoff team.

12 Oct 2019 18:09:58
Or Gasol from Toronto.

13 Oct 2019 04:07:10
You're not getting Drummond for this. Gasol yes, because he's 34 and expiring. Clippers might want a Center for a longer time frame.

13 Oct 2019 21:23:46
Gasol has expirience playing with Kawhi.

05 Oct 2019 06:25:30
Magic/Clippers January 15 or February 8

Magic Trade NIkola Vucevic

Clippers Trade Ivica Zubac Moe Harkless Jerome Robinson

Magic receive Ivica Zubac Moe Harkless Jerome Robinson

Clippers receive NIkola Vucevic

05 Oct 2019 11:07:58
This is awesome for the Clippers.

05 Oct 2019 12:17:06
While this is good for LAC I think the magic would get a better offer and say no to this one.

05 Oct 2019 03:06:53
OKC LAC after Dec 15. I saw someone comment on another trade Adams to LAC could work so I did my best to find a fair trade for both sides. Let me know what yall think.

LAC get Adams and Den 2020 1st
OKC get Harkless (exp), Zubac, Robinson

I don't see OKC giveing up a 1st with Adams and i don't see Clippers doing it for just Adams so I don't think this would happen, but i do think it is fair.

LAC get a dependable starting C who would help their defense even more add him to Beverly George and Leonard that is a beast on defense. They do give up 2 young guys who are locked up for several years on decent contracts while taking Adams not so great contract so they get the late 1st. They also keep the core of Leonard, Beverly, George, Williams, and Harrell together which is a good core.

OKC get 2 young guys and an expiring contract. They save money both in short and long term. They bring in Zubac so between Noel, Zubac and Patton they still have C depth. This does add another young SG to the team they already have several, maybe someone else gets traded or they find a 3rd team for Robinson maybe someone that needs SG depth will give a 2nd or something for him to free up the SG jam that would be made.

05 Oct 2019 11:10:43
Need this done ASAP.

06 Oct 2019 00:29:16
How does this have 5 disagrees and 0 agrees what is wrong with it? Do yall not agree with realistic trades?

07 Oct 2019 03:50:35
I actually like this trade

23 Sep 2019 19:01:29
3 Kings in ESPNS top 51-100 and none of them named Fox. I can work with that.

Hield, Bogdanovich and Bagley.

Only 1 Laker (Kuzma) . 2 Clippers (Beverly and Williams)

23 Sep 2019 20:38:12
so what your excuse this yr for not making the playoffs.

24 Sep 2019 02:47:38
We don't play in the easy East like the Knicks?

And other teams in the west have more top 50 players?

Kings 1, Lakers 2, Clippers 2, Golden Stste 3.

22 Sep 2019 13:53:02
OKC: Covington+KAT+ Booker

Phoe: Gallinari+ Ferguson+1rnd pick Denver+ 1rnd pick Miami 2021+ 1rnd pick Miami 2023+ 1rnd pick clippers 2026

Minny:CP3+ 1rnd pick Hou 2020+1rnd pick 2022 Clipper+1rnd pick Hou 2024+1rnd pick Hou 2026


OKC:
C:Adams
PF:KAT
SF:Covington
SG:Booker
PG:SGA

Phoenix is not going to make the playoffs and Booker is going to be unhappy, so Phoenix starts rebuilding around Ayton.

Minny gambles that CP3 can upgrades Wiggins value and they can start over with all those draft picks.

22 Sep 2019 14:33:23
Houston still owns its 2020 pick, so not sure how its included.

Minny gets robbed as RoCo and KAT are worth those picks, where are the picks for Paul's horrible contract.

22 Sep 2019 20:29:04
Considering how late those 4 firsts are, I don’t think they alone get KAT. Let alone Covington. And add in taking Paul. Seems way off.

23 Sep 2019 00:40:34
To be fair, kind of hard to predict where 2026 picks will be.

23 Sep 2019 02:02:58
Of every team in the entire NBA, Houston is one of the last I’d expect to ever tank. It’s just not their way. They mortgage their future to stay competitive on a consistent basis. I’d expect Houston’s picks to be late lottery at the very best.

23 Sep 2019 07:22:35
Also Miami is a team that never tanks, but still there's a big chance those 2024 and 2026 Houston picks falls in the lottery.

Westbrook will be 36 in 24 and 38 in 26
J Harden will be 35 in 24 and 37 in 26
And the Harden-Westbrook experiment could fail.

23 Sep 2019 11:18:45
For the MIN-OKC half of the trade, OKC got about this package for trading Westbrook.

Westbrook.

23 Sep 2019 13:34:42
Plus Gaspo left out the injury bug that often hits older players.

23 Sep 2019 16:09:56
Considering overall trade value, KAT>Westbrook. And I don't think it's very close.

23 Sep 2019 18:34:05
The picks could fall into the lottery, sure. But if I’m putting value on those picks, it’s reduced due to history of how teams are run.

I feel like bringing up Miami is making my point. There was a Miami pick floating around (Maybe it still is? ) that people valued really high. I didn’t think so because Pat Riley won’t full on tank. Look at that team now, they’re going to be a playoff team most likely.

16 Sep 2019 09:51:49
Should CP3 consider a buy out?

And what would be a fair offer for both CP3 and the Thunder?

I would offer a 38 million buy out.

CP3 can sign for the vet minimum with LA Lakers or even the LA clippers, the spurs, Indiana or Miami and explore the free agent market next year.

16 Sep 2019 10:17:41
He has 3 years left on the deal.

16 Sep 2019 11:15:08
120 mil or 38mil 🤣, read before u post. 80 mil would be the least and still I take the final 44 mil over a ring.

16 Sep 2019 11:56:27
can't a player agree a buyout when he has a three year contract?

16 Sep 2019 12:10:37
No owner is giving him 38 to leave. He is stuck.

16 Sep 2019 13:34:27
I think the Thunder would be ecstatic if he took 38 mil. I don’t see any way he just gives away 80 million though. Why in the world would he? I think he’d want closer to 80-100, which seems unlikely from the Thunder.

As the president of the players union, it makes him even less likely to give much away, it doesn’t set a good example.

16 Sep 2019 20:18:23
The real problem is that buyouts do not remove the 3 years worth of salary from OKC'S salary cap. It essentially becomes dead cap space which could be spread over the next 9 years ($13 mil in dead cap space for the next nine years? Yikes! ) .

16 Sep 2019 21:14:48
It would be 7 years if they stretched his salary.

(Years x2) + 1

Right now he is owed $124 mil, ($39, $41, $44), so stretched it would be an $18 mil/ yr cap hit for a staggering 7 years.

As the president of the NBA Players Association, and a guy that got rid of the rule that prevented big paychecks to older players, I think it would set a bad example if he took a buy out and left money on the table. But even if he does, I would think OKC would prefer not to stretch him, and eat the cap hit over the next three years, when they are unlikely to be a contender anyway. In 4-7 years, who knows how much they’d need the extra cap space?

16 Sep 2019 22:35:51
Thanks for the correct Shrink. Wasnt able to do the proper research before posting. On average, rebuilding teams get a first round draft pick for using $18 mil of their cap space based on past salary dump deals. So stretching Paul comes at a cost of $120 mil (or whatever the buyout is) AND 7 first round picks. YIKES!

05 Sep 2019 10:27:02
Wizards/Thunder

To Was: Roberson + Shroeder + Ferguson + 1st round pick from Clippers + 1st round pick 2020 Den + 1st round pick own (protected)

To Okc: Beal + Thomas

Thunder

Paul/Thomas
Shai/Diallo
Beal/Nader
Gallinari/Muscala
Adams/Noel/Bazley

05 Sep 2019 15:53:11
Why is OKC trading their draft capital to get a guy that's worse than the one they just traded?

03 Sep 2019 01:20:14
If Devin booker is going to be up for trade I think okc thunder should trade for him.

Okc & Phoenix

Okc get- Devin Booker

Phoenix- 2020 Denver first, 2021 la clippers, 2023 okc 1st and if Phoenix wants any players. Picks could be changed if Phoenix wants but I don't see u getting more than 3 first u would be lucky if u got 4 only reason okc got 5 for Paul George was to get Kawhi

03 Sep 2019 12:51:30
Not sure why you are trading so much for a player who can't get his team out of the WC cellar.

03 Sep 2019 21:22:33
He can get to the playoffs cause he doesn’t have any help u put him on another team that has the players besides him that can score and u would see a difference.

04 Sep 2019 00:00:36
You are saying the same crap I heard about Boogie Cousins when he was on the Kings.

04 Sep 2019 16:17:12
Plus, I didn't say anything about the playoffs. I said CELLAR.

04 Sep 2019 16:42:17
I agree with Fred, I don't see Booker being a guy that wins. Especially as a #1 option. He's a second or third option, but seems like he's got the attitude and ego of a #1. Same issue that plagued Cousins, Melo, and Butler to name a few.

05 Sep 2019 00:42:38
So the most you can get for booker is a young talent, a first rounder, and salary filler. That's it.

23 Aug 2019 06:20:22
The Clippers get Andre Iguodala & Ivan Rabb

The Grizzlies get Mo Harkless, Derrick Walton, Jerome Robinson & 2nd round pick

13 Aug 2019 12:27:18
should the clippers sign S Anthony and or Farried?

09 Aug 2019 06:10:15
December 15

Clippers Trade Rodney McGruder Johnathan Motley 2020 second round pick

Memphis Trade Andre Iugodala

Clippers receive Andre Iugodala

Memphis receive Rodney McGruder Johnathan Motley 2020 second round pick.via Clippers

09 Aug 2019 14:36:51
How is the Clippers taking on the additional $12 mil in salary when they ar? e over the salary cap.

05 Aug 2019 09:38:38
Mavericks: Adams, Clippers 1st from Thunder

Thunder: Biyombo (exp) & 2nd round pick Hornets

Hornets: Hardaway Jr, Brunson & Jackson

05 Aug 2019 13:01:34
What?

Why does Dallas want another center? Just to pick up a draft pick?

The Hornets trade a single 2nd Rnd pick to take on 3 players, one of which is a lottery pick?

The Thunder would consider a deal to swap Adams and save some money, but I don’t know if they will send a 1st Rnd unprotected to do it. That’s “please take Carmelo Anthony” kind of incentives for a player they can financially afford to keep.

05 Aug 2019 13:08:30
Trying to see how Hardaway, Brunson and Jackson are worthy of a 1st round pick.

02 Aug 2019 09:41:58
OKC: KAT+D booker+covington+saric

Phoe: Gallinari+ Ferguson+ 1rnd pick Miami 2021 and 2023+ 1rnd pick Denver 2020+ 1rnd pick Clippers 2026

Minny: Schroder+Adams+1rnd pick Clippers 2022+ 1rnd pick Clippers 2024+ 1rnd pick Hou 2024+ 1rnd pick Hou 2026+ 1rnd pick OKC 2026


OKC:
C: KAT
PF: Saric
SF:Covington
SG:booker
PG:CP3
Sixth: SGA

02 Aug 2019 11:04:42
No way does the Wolves do that.

02 Aug 2019 13:01:46
While that team looks competitive for Okc, I don’t think that’s the team Presti is trying to put together. I don’t think he’s looking to spend heavily this year for players with large contracts. He’s probably looking for players on their upswing to build a nucleus around, rather than transplant players and tell them they have a nucleus and to go figure it out. Plus Okc is not in a win now mode. They’re looking to become competitive in about 2-3 years. Most of those guys are in their prime.

I haven’t lived in purgatory and followed the Suns or T-wolves much to know if this would help them a lot this year, but it seems like it’s clearing out some cap space and setting them up for some more future rebuilding. Remember, these are 3 smaller markets that don’t always attract many of the free agents, so most come through draft or trades.

02 Aug 2019 13:32:25
PHX hangs up on this one. Better or worse, Booker has been indentified, by the Suns Mgt, as their "face of the franchise" so, no, he's not getting moved right now.

02 Aug 2019 14:46:54
Both KAT and Booker are on five year deals, and both are in franchises that are unlikely to draw top free agents. I don’t think either will be traded, nor able to even have the leverage to demand a trade, for three years. Random future picks won’t get them.

03 Aug 2019 00:20:30
Why would Minny trade their future star? Just stop.

03 Aug 2019 04:11:11
Future star? How much longer does KAT need to become a star?

04 Aug 2019 14:04:03
All NBA at age 22 is not good enough to be called a “future star? ”

Tough crowd.

01 Aug 2019 07:30:49
Pistons: Derozan/Mills

Rose/Mills/Frazier
Derozan/Brown/Thomas
Kennard/Svi
Griffin/Morris/Wood
Drummond/Maker

Spurs: Doumboya, Galloway, Adams, 1st from Pistons & Thunder (Clippers)

Murray/Forbes
White/Galloway/Walker
Carroll/Gay
Aldridge/Doumboya
Adams/Poeltl/Lyles

Thunder: Jackson (waive), Snell

01 Aug 2019 16:06:12
Thunder say HELL NO.

01 Aug 2019 20:48:05
So OKC wave jackson and keep Snell so there basically trading Adams and a 1st for Snell OKC hang up laughing.

02 Aug 2019 13:39:50
Rlc- they get cap relief and a puck on a team in rebuild mode.

03 Aug 2019 15:36:11
Shiller they can easily get under the luxury tax now without giving up Adams and a 1st. They are currently under it, but with only 13 players so when they sign 1 more they will barely be over it. They don't have to move Adams right away. They can wait until the trade deadline hope his value goes up and try moving him without giving up a 1st and get a better return than Snell.

22 Jul 2019 09:09:28
Could this OKC team compete with the best teams in the West?

OKC: Derozan+ B Beal

Was: Robertson+Schroder+ 1rnd pick Miami 2021 and 2023+ 1rnd pick Clippers 2024

Spurs: CP3+ 1rnd pick Clippers 2020 and 2022


OKC
C:Adams
PF:Gallinari
SF:Derozan
SG:Beal
PG:SGA

22 Jul 2019 13:00:01
The Beal return seems pretty short for the Wiz.

22 Jul 2019 17:47:57
Spurs laugh at taking Chris Paul back plus the $10 mil salary increase for this year alone.

22 Jul 2019 17:50:07
Wizards would need the 2020 Nuggets Pick and 2 2nd Round Picks in the later years to make this trade work.

12 Jul 2019 16:33:31
So in order for this idea to happen, the clippers would have to trade some cash/ 2nd rounder for a non guaranteed minimum/ rookie deal.

OKC gets James Johnson, Kelly Olynyk, Mo Harkless, Jerome Robinson, 2 future 2nds from Clippers

Miami gets CP

Clippers get Dragic

Dragic/ Beverley
Shamet/ Lou Will
Kawhi/ Mcgruder/ Mann
George/ Green
Zubac/ Harrell/ Kabengele.

12 Jul 2019 20:49:40
As a Clippers fan I like this trade it seems to work for everyone, but maybe I'm just being a homer.

12 Jul 2019 21:38:22
Clippers have picks left?

08 Jul 2019 15:19:29
Nuggets send: Michael Porter Jr., Malik Beasley, Paul Millsap, and the Nugget’s 2020 and 2022 unprotected first round pick.

Raptors send: Pascal Siakam, and Kyle Lowry.

The Nuggets cash in on their young prospects with upside to address their biggest need, they get a 4 who can guard big wings and is extremely switchable on the perimeter. He also compliments Jokic really well as a lean springier guy who can help block shots. He’s young, cheap, and the type of player who may be the most valuable in the NBA. They also get Kyle Lowry as a guy who brings experience, and all the skills that let him thrive in an offball situation, defense, shooting and passing, plus he’s an expiring so if it doesn’t work out he’s gone and you don't have to worry about some age stuff. This create a pretty sexy small-ish line up of
1. Lowry
2. Jamal Murray
3. Gary Harris
4. Pascal Siakam
5. Jokic
That matches up a lot better with a modern team like the Clippers imo.

The Raptors do a true blow up following Kawai’s departure. Why you cash in on Pascal now is 2 fold:
1. Him not being a lead scoring threat means that he’s not really a guy go center a rebuild around but Pascal and the rest of the team probably are too good to get that scorer in the draft.
2. If this is a true long term rebuild, Siakam is already 25, which while it isn’t young, if this is a 4 year rebuild Siakam will substantially lose his value by the time the window comes back open. Instead you get the crazy high upside of two 20 years olds in MPJ (who needs to be on ball and probably needs a year of learning on ball and sucking) and Beasley who’s incredibly young and athletic enough where he could become more than a 3&D guy. The Raptors are going to suck w/ o Lowry, Pascal, and Kawai, and the Raps get an extra first next year which probably won’t be worth very much but they also get an unprotected pick in the vaunted double draft of 2022, which is an amazing asset. Moving forward there is a real chance the Raptors would be set on the wing at
2. Beasley
3. OG
4. Porter jr.

And the mission in the draft with their own picks and the Raptors picks is to find a young PG and C.

08 Jul 2019 16:21:46
Denver just traded their 2020 pick to OKC for J. Grant. Moves Gallinari into the starting 4 spot.

08 Jul 2019 16:37:36
@Fredman In my defense I posted this before that went public. I’ll count this as a win, clearly Denver agreed about the kind of guy they needed in the 4 spot since Grant and Pascal are the same “type” of player.

08 Jul 2019 17:44:29
Grant is not pascal of offense or playmaking.

08 Jul 2019 18:49:29
They got the same "type" for much less of a price paid. That in itself is a win.

09 Jul 2019 02:58:47
Can’t Grant play the 3? He is 6’9” and 220.if he can guard four positions then he can play the 3 with Milsap. am I missing something there?

09 Jul 2019 14:21:33
terrible trade for Raptors if they aren't willing to trade siakim for PG13 then won't trade him for this.

09 Jul 2019 23:36:36
@Shiller well yeah, hence the price difference but they are both weakside shot blockers who are mobile enough to hang outside.

07 Jul 2019 15:20:16
TOR - OKC - PHX - WSH

TOR sends Lowry to PHX, Ibaka, Miller and 2021 1st to WSH.
TOR gets Westbrook, Beal, Korver

OKC sends Westbrook to TOR, Diallo and LAC 2020 and 2022 1st to WSH.
OKC gets Johnson, Bridges and Okobo

WSH sends Beal to TOR
WSH gets Ibaka, Miller, Saric and Diallo, TOR 2021 1st, LAC 2020 and 2022 1st, PHX 2020 1st

PHX sends Korver to TOR, Saric and 2020 1st to WSH, Johnson, Bridges and Okobo to OKC.
PHX gets Lowry

Toronto rebuilds on the fly, Washington clears cap and gets bounty of picks, Phoenix gets the point guard they need and OKC gets out of tax hell

07 Jul 2019 15:44:09
OKC and Phoenix are getting stolen from. The raptors are doing the stealing.

07 Jul 2019 22:03:27
Taking westbrook makes them the loser.

09 Jul 2019 14:25:09
TO is not trading lowry this season unless he wants to go. mid season trade for a playoff team if Raptors don't add extras for a push in the playoff run.

 
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