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01 Jan 2020 13:35:37
OKC put together a good hard out playoff team with these 2 trades. Are They fair and how much better will it make OKC?

OKC NYK

OKC get Morris, Smith Jr. (wants traded)
NYK get Schroder, Muscala, 2020 Den 1st, and a 2nd.

NYK get help at PG they have plenty of PF to step up and take Morris position and add muscala who can stretch the floor. They get a couple of picks as well.

OKC downgrades at PG off the bench but DSjr could still be a really good bench PG if he gets in a better situation. They add Morris which really helps depth when Gallo is out injured or resting he can step up and start, but he can be a good player off the bench for them.

OKC SAC

OKC get Ariza
SAC get Roberson (exp), 2023 Mia 1st, and a 2nd if needed.

OKC get a good playoff wing to have. Ariza can be helpful this year in playoffs then moved in offseason if OKC is ready to start tanking.

SAC don't need Ariza. Ariza is a playoff player and unfortunately SAC isn't going to make it this year, i was thinking and hoping they would at the begging of the season. But they get an expiring and a 1st roumd pick idk if they will get much more than that.

After these 2 trades OKC lineup
Paul/ Smith Jr.
SGA/ Diallo/ Burton/ Dort (2-way contract)
Ferguson/ Ariza/ Nader
Gallinari/ Morris/ Bazley/ Hervey (2-way)
Adams/ Noel/ Patton

They can sign a PG for depth around buyout time before the playoffs. Ariza could start over Ferguson, i just think Ariza would make the bench better than Ferguson could. A lot of the players on the bench can play multiple positions so they don't have to be where i put them.

They would have a strong bench which you need in playoffs. Multiple scoring options which again you need. This team may not be a contender, but they would give any top team a hard 1st round.

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1.) 01 Jan 2020 14:47:31
Kings will do trade #2.


2.) 01 Jan 2020 15:09:13
If okc giving a first round pick make it worth and take Bogdanovic not old ariza.


3.) 01 Jan 2020 18:23:55
Asdenam then they have to pay him in the offseason or let him walk. With Ariza They can trade him in the offseason to a contender when they are ready to rebuild. And he is a better proven playoff player.


4.) 01 Jan 2020 19:10:45
Going to fully guarentee Ariza's second year?


 

 

31 Dec 2019 14:03:45
OKC CHI

OKC get Porter Jr., Felicio, Dunn, Carter Jr.
CHI get Gallinari, Roberson, Schroder, Muscala

OKC does this for Carter Jr. And to make their team a lil worse ensuring that they keep this years pick. And they get under this years luxury tax.

CHI does this to get better this year and make a playoff push. They are currently 9th in the east Schroder and Gallinari will greatly improve their offense. Of the bulls really want to go after Davis they would prob look better to him if they just made the playoffs. Also this opens about 30 mil in salary for next year FA. They can move Young 13mil and Satoransky 10mil if need be to open up the max slot for Davis. WCjr is added because OKC is taking back a large amount of next year salary for the bulls mainly Porter Jr. And Felicio which are both players that have negative value due to being over paid.

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31 Dec 2019 02:26:40
OKC DEN

OKC get Millsap, Harris, Plumlee
DEN get Gallinari, Paul, Noel if he accepts he has NTC, (Muscala and 2020 Den pick back only if Noel doesn't accept) .
Picks can be added if need be, but i think its close to fair with just the players.

DEN goes all in. They play a 2 PG lineup in Paul and Murray like OKC is doing with Paul and SGA. We have seen Paul can play off the ball this year with SGA. Paul with Jokic could be fun to watch and Den would have great playmaking with Paul, Murray, Gallo, and Jokic being able to make plays. They would have a mismatch somewhere every night. They add Gallo which will bring them a better efficient scoring option come playoff time which would have helped them last year. And Noel if he accepts. He has been huge defensivley for OKC off of the bench. If he won't accept then Muscala who can stretch the floor, and their 2020 pick back. They don't lose bench depth if anything they improve it, because Noel is better than Plumlee.

OKC brings in a veteran in Milsap that can still mentor young guys while losing Paul and Gallo so they still have a good mentor. They bring in Harris see if Harris and SGA can be the future back court. If not they can later move Harris for something. Plumlee is mainly in the trade to make salary work. OKC doesn't need him, but he would be coming off the bench since they gey rid of Noel. This also helps OKC lose a lil more helping their pick, but they could still be an 8th seed team this just increases their chances of keeping their 1st.

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29 Dec 2019 02:32:38
OKC DAL

OKC get Lee and a 2nd round pick
DAL get Schroder.

rlc135

1.) 29 Dec 2019 09:04:18
Schröder is playing very good. He cen be a starter in some teams. And his contract not that big.


 

 

29 Dec 2019 02:25:38
OKC PHI Jan 15 or after

PHI gets Gallinari, Schroder
OKC gets Harris, Thybulle, 2022 top 10 protected 1st

PHI needs to make a change with their team as is i don't see them making the finals. They get a cheaper more efficient replacement for Harris in Gallinari. They overpaid Harris this offseason and they get off of that overpaying contract they gave him. They also really need some help at PG so they add Schroder who will help that need. They throw in that 1st because they r getting out of the Harris contract while bringing in 2 good players that will help the team. In a couple of years the Harris contract could easily be one of the worst contracts in the NBA.

OKC takes Harris and his contract. He can play his game and score on a losing rebuilding team. Once OKC doesn't have Paul, Harris is not the calliber player that will keep a team from tanking. They can still easily get in the lottery with him on the team. They get 2 future assets in Thybulle and the future 1st. Thybulle was rumored to be on OKC's radar around the draft and he fits what OKC normally looks for in young guys.

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1.) 29 Dec 2019 15:40:03
Losing, rebuilding team? Thunder are currently 7th seed and climbing after brutal opening schedule.


2.) 29 Dec 2019 18:18:27
They aren't losing and rebuilding now, but they will be in the future. that's why i put once they don't have Paul, Harris won't keep them from tanking. I was saying he could score and play his game on a losing rebuilding team.


3.) 30 Dec 2019 01:16:08
I don't see them being a losing, rebuilding team at all. This team is actually much better suited for the playoffs than they were with George and Westbrook. George is good for 50 games a season and Westbrook can't shoot at all which killed them. SGA is entering superstar status in just his second year. Paul will probably get hurt, but his leadership is worth his salary as is shown by their record. They just beat the Raptors in Toronto. I see this team continuing to improve, especially when the picks and/ or pick trades start hitting.


 

 

 

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01 Jan 2020 12:56:10
I have been watching the Thunder all season and as a Thunder fan i have really been wanting them to lose more and get a better pick helping our future. However i'm finally convinced we need to make 1 big move or a couple of smaller moves to improve our team and go for a playoff run. Keep Gallo then try to extend him or S&T him in the off season. This team is to good to worry bout draft position, this years draft isn't very deep anyway outside of top 5 its anyones best guess who to draft at that point. i'm not saying go all in for the Finals i'm just saying put a solid hard out team together and see what happens.

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28 Dec 2019 05:10:46
Has the trade value on some of the Thunder players gone up after their better than expected start? What would yall say are their trade values are any of them playing up to their contracts yet?
Paul has shown he can still close out games he is 2nd in clutch scoring, and he is still a good leader.
Schroder is having his most effecient year this year, and is in the 6th man of the year convo.
Adams is being more aggresive on the offensive end creating for himself more and at times the offense has run through him.
Gallinari is still a very efficient scoring option like last year.

SGA isn't on the trade block but I know his value has gone up he has had a pretty big jump in his play on the offensive end of the floor.

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1.) 28 Dec 2019 10:55:13
They can probably get off Paul without giving up assets. They could probably get some smaller assets for Adams. Gallo is worth atleast a protected first. I have no idea what to think about Schroeder.


2.) 28 Dec 2019 13:18:51
I think OKC is going to ask for more, but the number of playoff "buyers" for $20 mil contracts hasn't changed. Portland? Dallas? Miami? I just doubt their is enough "demand" for OKC players to justify an increase in their asking price.


3.) 28 Dec 2019 15:38:40
Who’s taking Paul though? I still think if OKC was set on trading him before the trade deadline, they’d be giving up at least one first to get off of him. If you disagree, tell me any team with the need and contracts to take him. Who’s got 40 million in tradeable contracts, has anything to trade, and needs a PG leaving his prime.

Adams and Gallo are about the same. Expiring contracts and a protected first or moderate prospect.

I don’t think Schroeder has much of any value. He’s always been a hollow stats kind of guy. He’s either one of the worst starting guards in the league or a really overpaid 6th man. Maybe equal expiring contracts, but no picks returned.

The problem with Schroeder and Paul is that PG is by far the most talented position in the NBA. If either was a wing or PF, they’d be way more valuable. That’s why Love with being a return but Paul won’t.


4.) 28 Dec 2019 16:11:54
What about knicks in the offseason for Paul if they can't get FA's? He has proven he can still play, they will have room to bring him in and they are desperate for a big name. They can give salary relief and maybe 1 young asset.


5.) 28 Dec 2019 20:07:24
Seems like the Knicks would only take Paul if they hit another star already. They’re desperate for a big name, but at the same time have been surprisingly patient when they continue to strike out.


6.) 28 Dec 2019 21:21:16
I think Noel is the perfect fit for Celtics. They might even give a first. A big that rebounds, defends and won’t take shots away from wings. He can pick n roll too.


7.) 29 Dec 2019 00:16:03
Yea Noel is cheap with good trade value, but he has a NTC so he has to agree to the trade in order for it to happen.


8.) 29 Dec 2019 05:54:33
Ric135 why do you want thunder to get off Paul contract there no where near close to competing they have no good free agents to sign. They should keep paul and buyout his last year. They just need to wait and get the right first pick to pair with sga. so they need to suck and lose games.


9.) 29 Dec 2019 18:25:56
I want them to move him if they can without giving up assets. Paul is overpaid, but he is still a really good PG. He is 2nd in clutch scoring, and a great game manager. He controls the flow and clock. You take away Paul and Gallinari that team is a lot worse and there pick will b higher. If they make the playoffs this year good for them, but they don't need paul on the team next year for sure. If they don't tank for high picks and get good talent through the draft they will never be true contenders again. They are in a small market so the only way they get and keep stars are through the draft like they did the 1st time. They have a lot of assets they could throw in a trade for a star, but then that star will just leave when his contract is up. Its tough to keep stars on small market teams, so you draft stars and have them under contract control for 4-8 years.


10.) 29 Dec 2019 22:38:32
Then keep paul and trade off his supporting cast for picks and assets.


11.) 30 Dec 2019 04:15:40
Paul for Conley straight up?


12.) 30 Dec 2019 12:53:02
Fredman i have thought about that, but idk if OKC will do it straight up. The question is how bad does presti want Paul gone? Is he patient enough to only move him if he gets assets if so then this doesn't happen straight up. Jazz throw in a 1st i feel like OKC quickly takes it, but i don't see Jazz adding a 1st. But if he just wants out of Paul then I like this trade. Jazz gets the healthier better option for playoffs and OKC gets a contract that will expire after next season and they still have a mentor for young guys that will likely sit on the bench injured half the season like normal so he shouldn't keep them from tanking.


13.) 30 Dec 2019 12:59:52
ll they will trade Gallinari no matter what cause they will get assets for him, but he is really the only one they will get good assets for. You trade his supporting cast for assets the only other 2 they trade would be Schroder and Adams maybe noel if he agrees to something. What assets are you getting for Schroder and Adams? I really think they will end up holding on to them until next year when they become expiring, cause right now u aren't getting good assets for schroder if your lucky maybe a top 20 protected 1st from someone. And Adams maybe a lottery protected 1st if your lucky. They are ahead to hold on to them until the off season. And they don't affect the game like Paul. Let me ask you this why do u want them to keep Paul so bad?


14.) 30 Dec 2019 15:47:29
Presti is giving up their 2020 first by keeping Paul who is helping OKC be in the playoffs.


15.) 30 Dec 2019 15:50:08
Plus Conley will be an expiring deal prior to the next FA bonaza.


16.) 30 Dec 2019 16:09:05
Does a FA bonanza matter in Oklahoma?


17.) 30 Dec 2019 17:05:58
The 2020 pick is top 20 protected so even if they are 7 or 8 seed they will still get there pick. And FA Bonaza doesn't matter in OKC they aren't a big FA destination.


18.) 30 Dec 2019 19:08:59
FA bonanza does matter as the demand to trade Conley's expiring deal will be higher. OKC is currently at the 17th pick in the draft. Adding talent may cause them to pass teams like Utah, Dallas, Indiana and Philly. Also, if they happen to win their first round of the playoffs that will also cause the pick to go to Philly.


 

 

12 Dec 2019 22:55:12
CHI is having locker room problems and it seems like they start with Boylen he's not using players right and players don't like him. If They want to be a playoff team and a good looking destination for Davis they need to fire Boylen and make a trade or 2 to improve the team.

If Bulls fire Boylen who should replace him?

Would Fizdale be a good fit? That is who i'm kinda thinking bout. Who else could replace him?

rlc135

1.) 13 Dec 2019 12:14:12
Rlc- fizz hasn’t been a good head coach in Memphis or by. Why do you want him?


2.) 16 Dec 2019 01:07:53
Coach Joerger. Ex-Kings-Hrizzlies head coach.


 

 

06 Dec 2019 12:25:56
At this point in their careers who would u rather have Gasol (34) or Adams (26)?

rlc135

1.) 06 Dec 2019 13:16:21
A few days back i would have said adams.
But heck, Gasol has improved! He doenst score, but he does everything else.


2.) 06 Dec 2019 15:59:08
Without a doubt Adams. Gasol might have a few good games here and there, but he's not regaining his old form, that ship has sailed. I don't love Adams at his price tag, but he's a great role player.


3.) 06 Dec 2019 19:54:04
Thanks i had a trade idea but i needed to see who yall thought was better 1st. I thought Adams but as a thunder fan i wanted to get an unbiased opinion.


4.) 11 Dec 2019 15:56:01
I'm also prefering Adams. How they play is difficult to compare. Gasol can shoot the 3 and has some really good games. But overall I think he regressed a lot. If I'm a contender I would prefer Adams even if it just was for this year. I also think he might sign an extension of about 20 million a year, so you could have your starting Center who's currently a little overpaid for a half decade for an overall reasonable contract.


 

 

30 Nov 2019 03:59:40
Which last year lottery team are you most impressed with and surprised by this year?

I would say the Hornets. They lost Kemba signed Rozier and they are still playing like a potential 7 or 8 seed in the East.

rlc135

1.) 30 Nov 2019 08:11:36
Mavs. Doncic is playing at an MVP and top 5/ 10 player level. They’re winning w Porzingis being rusty still and not his all star level form. When he gets going this team can be much better.


2.) 30 Nov 2019 19:57:09
Minnesota. I expected them to face a full rebuild this year. Towns has taken another step. Wiggins might be the MIP. They look good.


3.) 30 Nov 2019 23:51:03
Kings. With no Bagley or Fox, they moved into a tie for 8th by beating Denver today.


4.) 01 Dec 2019 04:18:20
Lakers there winning the games there supposed too and getting better together. They turned there lottery team into One the Best team in league in first 19 games. Even though they have best record don't clearly mean theRe best team in league is y I said one the best teams.


 

 

 

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01 Jan 2020 21:06:04
CurchPugh if OKC can move Paul and get back future assets they will still move him, but after the way he has played they aren't moving him just to get off his contract they certainly aren't going to give up assets to move him.

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01 Jan 2020 18:23:55
Asdenam then they have to pay him in the offseason or let him walk. With Ariza They can trade him in the offseason to a contender when they are ready to rebuild. And he is a better proven playoff player.

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31 Dec 2019 02:00:04
I agree with Bmiller. The best thing for the Thunders future is focus on rebuilding through the draft. Stars aren't going to stay in OKC they don't have the market for it. If you trade for a star They will leave as soon as they hit FA. If u get some high draft picks to add to SGA you can build a realy good solid future team. With controlable contracts for 4-8 years. The odds of them drafting like they did before and hit on prospects so close together like they did with KD, Russ, Harden is slim. But out of their huge collection of future picks over the next 6 years say they hit on 2 of them. You have SGA and 2 other great young guys with controllable contracts. For a small market team that should be the goal.

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30 Dec 2019 17:28:42
Fredman the OKC 2020 pick is top 20 protected. So they would have to be a top 10 team to not get it. They can make the playoffs and still get the pick.

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30 Dec 2019 13:08:50
Its a simple trade and makes since. Paul is healthier and better than Conley and Conley isn't working out for Utah he just doesn't seem to fit. But i think OKC only swaps if they get a 1st. Knowing Presti and the moves he has made in the past i don't know if he moves paul without bringing back some sort of asset or player he can 100% move for assets and Conley isn't that at this point in his career. The question is do you think utah would add a pick. Maybe 2022 top 12 protected? But I do think Jazz does this swap straight up without the pick i just don't know bout with the pick.

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