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26 Oct 2019 16:09:32
The Wolves get Gallo, Schroeder, Winslow and Leonard

The Heat get Paul, Reid, min 19 1st and a min 2nd

The Thunder get J. Johnson, Wiggins, Dieng, Teague, Layman, Min 21 1st top 10 protected, and a min 2nd




16 Oct 2019 13:50:45
The Warriors get Drummond, Kennard and a 2020 lottery protected first

The Pistons get Russell and looney.


1.) 16 Oct 2019 16:19:58
Doubt Warriors want to trade Looney. They seem to want their bigs to be able to (somewhat) guard on the perimeter so that they can switch on screens. That is one of the reason why their "death squad" so dangerous. Drummond doesn't seem to fit that description.



09 Oct 2019 15:58:08
The Warriors get Ball, Favors, Hart, and the Pelicans' 20 1st lottery protected

The Pelicans get Russell.


1.) 09 Oct 2019 18:06:02
Why would Pelicans do that?

2.) 09 Oct 2019 18:22:40
Go out and get a 23 year old allstar pg that can shoot?

3.) 09 Oct 2019 22:24:00
All star replacement from the weak east, who can’t get to the basket or defend?

I think Russell has a lot to prove before anyone would pay that much. I think the Warriors really gambled on him, rather than lose Durant for nothing.

4.) 10 Oct 2019 01:01:34
He’s a subpar defender, but he isn’t awful and given his size and solid athleticism, you would think he’ll continue to get better. The not getting tot he rim is concerning, but he’s a legitimate shooter off the dribble, he can play on and off the ball, he’s a good passer, he’s shown the ability to hit difficult shots, he’s gotten better over time, he’s still only 23 and he’s shown the ability to be the guy on offense on a decent team. I get if you just don’t like him as a player, but that didn’t seem to me like a ridiculous package for him. Ball is a decent player with upside, but he’s a weird fit on that team. Favors seems like a stop gap for Hayes. Hart might be a 3 and d player at some point and if things don’t go well the first doesn’t convey.

5.) 10 Oct 2019 14:48:29
Not sure Russell is THAT much better than Ball. A first and 2 other players?

6.) 10 Oct 2019 16:26:29
Ball was the 4th best player in a bad team last year. Russell was the best player on a good team. Not to mention Ball hasn’t been able to stay healthy. Not to mention that he’s a guard that can’t shoot in a league where shooting is the most important skill on a team that doesn’t have a plus shooter in their starting line up.

7.) 11 Oct 2019 00:30:53
It is a stretch to say Russell was on a good team, at 42-40, playing the bulk of their games against the horrible East.

Also, keep in mind that even the Nets didn’t want to feature him initially. They were forced to after that horrible injury to LeVert, then Dinwiddie went down.

Finally, he did not get better every year. The season before he actually did a little worse. I am suspicious of a player who only succeeded when an entire team was built to help him succeed. He won’t be seeing any other team do that for the rest of his career.



03 Oct 2019 13:02:50
Theoretically, if things aren't working well for both teams

GS- Richardson, Scott, O'quinn, Z. Smith, and 2 2nds

Philly gets Russell.

The 76ers get a guy that can shoot off the dribble that fits their timeline.

GS gets a good starter, solid big, an interesting prospect, some draft assets, a small trade exception to make another move, and the pieces they get fill clear needs.


1.) 04 Oct 2019 10:18:40
Incredible overpay.



26 Sep 2019 15:55:07
The Blazers get Covington

The Wolves get Hood and Little.


1.) 26 Sep 2019 17:44:11
+Portland's 2020 first?

2.) 27 Sep 2019 06:47:02
Even with the POR 1st in the 20’s, this seems light, Little was the #25 pick.

Most of the contenders in the West need a SF, and they would love a 1st team, All ” NBA defender who doesn’t need the ball to help offensively. I feel if POR made this offer, several teams would trump it.

3.) 27 Sep 2019 15:24:29
I just don't see a huge gap between Hood (and Bazemore) to Covington. Definitely not effectively two firsts.

Also, does adding Covington move Portland in the order of the west at all? I don't see him putting them over the top. If he doesn't, then he's not worth that much. Portland has to retain as many assets as possible to go after a star.

4.) 27 Sep 2019 16:13:57
I think you’re overrating Hood and Bazemore. They’re decent, but neither is more than a low end starter. Covington is a top 3 perimeter defender, a good shooter, and does all the little things. He’d be a great fit. The Blazers need some defenders. Bazemore might be the only plus perimeter defender they have and he doesn’t have the body to deal with Lebron, Kawhi and etc.

5.) 27 Sep 2019 17:23:40
Top 3 perimeter defender? He was voted the 7th best defensive forward in the NBA last year. Good, but not Kawhi, Giannis, or Draymond level "my defense changes the entire game" level good.

He's also a good shooter. But again, it's not like he's Klay out there. He's a 37% 3 point shooter. He's slightly above average.

Covington is an average starter. Heck, maybe a below average starter. NBA. com had a list of the best SFs, and he didn't crack the top 15. Sure, an upgrade over Hood and Bazemore. ESPN ranked him juuuuuust slightly better than Evan Fourier. Worse than Otto Porter, Gallinari, Joe Harris, and PJ Tucker.

Does moving from a bottom 10 starting SF to a bottom 15 change the dynamic of the team whatsoever? Does it warrant trading two firsts for him?

If you have the stars to win it all, he might be worth it as a final piece. But for a team that still needs one more star level player, he's not.

6.) 27 Sep 2019 19:40:28
I wouldn’t move two 1sts for him, but Hood and a 1st sure. He’s better than given credit for and I think there’s something to him fitting almost perfectly next to Dame and CJ. You’d also have enough to make a bigger move. I also think taking a flier on a guy like Roberson would be an interesting move. They really need a big wing defender. On paper that defense looks terrible.

7.) 27 Sep 2019 23:20:09
Granted, he was hurt last year, but Covington was named first team All Defense for 2017-18.

Over the last three years, only Rudy Gobert has a higher DRPM.

You are greatly under-estimating Covington.

8.) 28 Sep 2019 03:37:52
Then where do you place him overall amount SFs Shrink? Experts rank him outside the top half of starters. He’s a good defender, but you don’t build a game plan around his defense like you do Gobert or Leonard.

He’s a really nice role player, definitely. But two firsts means star to me. Anything less is a mistake.




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27 Oct 2019 19:54:12
Watching this Thunder Warriors game, Paul looks so bad physically. Maybe, he just needs to work himself into shape, but I wouldn't touch him, if I were a contender.


1.) 28 Oct 2019 09:33:31
Warriors playing horribly too.

2.) 28 Oct 2019 11:48:39
Chris Paul doesn't look the, best right now, but i love what i'm seeing from SGA he is definitely looking like a future all star.

3.) 28 Oct 2019 14:42:51
Yeah, SGA is rolling and the Warriors have been awful. They have 4 rotation players right now and Steph and Dlo have just been missing. They’re not going to be that bad, but that real is just so bad from the 5th guy on.



15 Aug 2019 14:25:04
Let's say that the Stepien rule doesn't exist, you are an expansion team that has no one on the roster, the Bucks want to trade Giannis for nothing but picks and someone from the future told you that if your team trades for Giannis, he'll stay there for his entire career. How many consecutive picks would you be willing to give up for him?


1.) 15 Aug 2019 16:36:00
Will he give hometown discounts as well? Or are teams paying 40 mil a year for every year?

2.) 15 Aug 2019 17:13:40
7? You give up a lot to get him. He just lead a team of nice vets to the best record in the NBA without another true star.

Hometown discount doesn't matter, he's 100% worth the supermax and you give it to him happily.

3.) 15 Aug 2019 23:39:33
Hometown discounts means more picks I am willing to give up. Probably 3-4 if I am paying supermax and I can get the shooters around him.

Bet thd Bucks take a step back this year?

4.) 16 Aug 2019 14:33:46
Step back meaning the #1 seed in the east, but not the best record in the NBA?

Who in the east is passing them? I have no faith in Phili. I have no faith in Boston. Indy would have a chance if Oladipo was going to be healthy to start the season, but he's not. Toronto isn't good enough (unless Siakim becomes a top 10 player) .

5.) 16 Aug 2019 14:34:28
So you wouldn't give up more for Giannis than teams already have in real life for George or Davis? To me, he's without a doubt better than both.

6.) 16 Aug 2019 18:49:59
I am not sure I would give you better than Anthony Davis. Healthier? Definitely. But skill-wise, Giannis lack of shooting cancels any youthful athletic advantage Giannis has in the transition game. However, in a halfcourt game, AD's versitility is greater. If AD were younger and could play 82 games a season, they would be pretty equal.

7.) 16 Aug 2019 23:18:43
I’d take Giannis over Davis because of his passing an ball handling. It just gives him significantly more control over the game. Giannis was also ridiculously efficient last year on the offensive end and statistically there isn’t a huge difference in their jumpers. Teams are going to sag off both guys.

I was thinking like 8 or 9 1sts. You’re talking about a 25 year old two way monster that has no real injury history and has gotten better every year. You are probably getting your number one guy for the next ten years.

8.) 17 Aug 2019 03:15:41
The problem with giving uo all those firsts is that you only have one way of getting talent around him. Signing Free Agents and the salary cap limits how much you can add as well.

9.) 17 Aug 2019 12:09:34
You have 90 million dollars though. You could chase some restricted guys this summer, you could use your space to add picks and punt the space for a few years, you can go after veteran role players and etc. you’d have the freedom to do almost anything. What if this year/ summer, you go out and get like Hield and Otto Porter for 50 million, get some picks and competent but over payed player with the remaining money and then take some chances on cheap veterans and young retreads. Then go into next free agency with a max slot. You’d likely have a window of 10 years to go get a title.

10.) 17 Aug 2019 18:18:45
I'm taking AD. Most dominate big man in league on both ends and think lbj will take a lot of pressure off him and he stay healthy. like cousins did but cousins couldn't stay healthy. Giannis got exposed by Leonard. Plus need to shoot better.

11.) 17 Aug 2019 19:20:34
He averaged 24 6 and 15 or something in that series. His scoring was down a little bit, but he didn't lay an egg or something. He wasn’t quite as good as he normally is. He’s a 24 year old monster, who has gotten better every year.

12.) 18 Aug 2019 11:07:04
Giannis is good, but not twice as good as Davis, so not worth twice the draft picks that New Orleans got for Davis (disregarding the argument that the Lakers overpaid for Davis) .

13.) 18 Aug 2019 22:21:11
Not saying he is not talented. Just perhaps not TWICE as talented as AD since you want to give DOUBLE the amount of first rounders. And the Lakers overpaid for AD on top of it (So did OKC for PG13). So giving up 3-4 would still be saying that Giannis is better than AD.

14.) 18 Aug 2019 22:23:16
Yeah, but it wasn’t just picks in the Davis deal, one was the 4th pick and they structured the picks to where they get their best picks over the next 5 or so years. Even if you think that Ingram and Ball are only worth one 1st each, you are already up to 6 1sts without weighting the swaps or talking about the other stuff they got in the trade. I’d also argue that Ball and Ingram are worth more than just a 1st.

If I were going to break that trade down to what the value of the picks are

Ingram 2, Ball 2, the 4th 2, the two 1sts that the Pelicans can roll over 3, and the Cavs protected 2020 plus Hart is 1.

That adds up to 10 and you could probably argue more, if you really like Ball, Hart and/ or Ingram.

15.) 19 Aug 2019 01:47:14
See I don't give the players in the trade much value. To me they were just salary fillers because Lakers were just trying to ship them out to create a 3rd max slot. I might give you one first for the whole lot.



01 Aug 2019 11:44:32
Can anyone explain to me the rational behind the Knicks signing 4 pfs? I was looking at their roster and trying to make some sense out of it and I'm blanking. Not to mention that Knox is probably a 4 and Barrett should probably be playing some 4 as well.


1.) 01 Aug 2019 12:16:46
Its the Knicks understanding of positionless basketball?

Also, if 4 PFs are the only ones willing to take your money.

2.) 01 Aug 2019 14:50:09
Maybe they think they can get value out of those guys in trades? Get the most valuable players on the best value contracts and then flip them later on?

3.) 01 Aug 2019 21:21:04
Also, they're either playing Knox and Barrett at the wings, or they're completely sabotaging their youth.

I guess it could be both.



31 Jul 2019 13:08:19
Assuming everyone plays a minimum of 60 games and all playoff games, how far does this team go?

Paul/Patty Mills
Love/ Jeff Green


1.) 31 Jul 2019 13:39:55
Eastern or Westetn Confetence? First round of playoff exit?

Better question. What is the amount of luxury tax this team pays?

2.) 31 Jul 2019 14:01:55
West: miss the playoffs in the 9 or 10 spot.

East: 7-8 seed and swept in the first round.

3.) 31 Jul 2019 16:39:28
Team need Vince Carter added. finally noticed the common thread of all the players.



08 Jul 2019 15:42:20
Denver gets Grant for their 2020 1st. That seems like a steal.


1.) 08 Jul 2019 16:25:25
I like it for both. Denver is clearly win now, and making moves like it. OKC cashes in a nice role player for a future first, as a tanking team should.

This clearly send the message that Westbrook (and Gallo) are going to be moved I think.

2.) 08 Jul 2019 16:28:29
Backup/ Small ball 4 for a late 1st? I guess so. Also uses a trade exception that expires at the trade deadline. Probably a move made because of Porter Jr's injury?

3.) 08 Jul 2019 17:23:23
Thunder mainly did it to save over 30mil in luxury tax, but yea a low 1st round pick os a steal in my opinion. I feel like OKC should have gotten a 2nd out of it too.

4.) 08 Jul 2019 19:39:35
@rlc35 grant ain't all that. Be grateful someone gave you a first while saving OKC $30 mil.




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13 Nov 2019 18:39:20
Wall is at like 40 million with4 years left and his game is predicated on him being quick. That’s not something people tend to be after an Achilles injury at 30ish.




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13 Nov 2019 11:39:59
That’s terrible for the Cavs.




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12 Nov 2019 15:39:46
I can’t see the Cavs trading Love for a pick that won’t convey.




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12 Nov 2019 15:38:52
Hard pass from GS.




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11 Nov 2019 15:46:18
That’s bad for Detroit.





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