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12 Nov 2017 22:02:42
Okafor + Return Nets 2018 2nd round pick (31-36)+ Rockets 2018 2ndround pick (55-60)
for Toronto 2018 1st round pick (18-22)

-Young offensive-oriented big former top 3 pick that still holds potential.
-Move up ten spots in upcoming draft while not giving up that much.

13 Nov 2017 18:48:01
Don't think the Nets are in a position to trade away first round picks.

10 Nov 2017 11:38:51
What is the worst trade since 2010 besides the Nets- Celtics trade.

1) OKC- Hou
Hou: Harden
OKC: Lamb+K Martin/ 1rnd pick ( S Adams)

2) Clippers- Cleveland
Clippers: M Williams
Cleveland: b Davis+ 1rnd pick (K Irving)

3) NY- Tor
NY: Bargnani
Tor: Camby+ Novak+ 1rnd pick 2016 (Poetl)+ 2 2rnd picks

4) Suns-Bucks- Philly
Suns: B Knight+ Marchall
Philly: MC williams+ plumlee+ Ennis
Philly: protected 1rnd pick LA 2015 (2018 unprotected LA pick)
4)GS- Bucks
GS: Bogut
Bucks: M ellis

5) Other trade

10 Nov 2017 13:44:06
The Melo trade was pretty bad. Mozgov (who was flipped for 2 firsts later), Gallinari (good starter), Chandler ( good Starter), Felton (solid starter at the time), a 1st and 2 2nds.

Melo was a legit top 10 player at the time, but the Knick's roster was to depleted after the trade to really ever compete at a high level and I can't imagine there was another offer any where near that.

10 Nov 2017 14:10:31
Got to be the Mo Will for Boom Dizz and Kyrie deal.

10 Nov 2017 14:11:53
All good choices for bad deals but, I think if you asked "Media Anointed Genius" Sam Presti in OKC for a do-over, he'd find a way to hang onto James Harden. That team was genuinely scary with all 3 of those guys there.

10 Nov 2017 14:20:40
Maybe this trade was even worse than the Boston trade

Nets: D Williams
Utah: Favors+ D Harris+ 1rnd pick 11 (draft Kanter with 4rd pick, K Thompson, K Leonard and J Butler available) + 1rnd pick Golden state 2013 ( draft Dieng with the 21 pick, Gobert available) . + Cash

Or this one

Nets: G Wallace
Portland: Okur+ 1rnd pick ( D Lillard)

All trades on this forum looks good, if you look to the Nets trades :-)

10 Nov 2017 14:57:24
Golden State trading #3 pick (Kevin Mchale) and Robert Parish for the #1 pick (Joe Barry Carroll)

10 Nov 2017 14:59:18
Charlotte Hornets trading Kobe Bryant to the Lakers for Vlade Divac and bunch of crap.

10 Nov 2017 16:33:39
@ Yumbo, since 2010.

10 Nov 2017 18:47:29
Phoenix gets Marcus Thornton and the Cavs 2016 1st rounder (Skal Labissiere moved in a package for the Chriss pick)

Boston gets Thomas.

On the flip side of the Ainge coin, moving Perkins for Green.

10 Nov 2017 19:38:32
Gerald Wallace for the pick that became Lillard does stick out as pretty terrible.

10 Nov 2017 21:06:31
Forgot to mention that the two players from 1st rounder and pick swap were Jamal Murray and Saric. So both ended up as lottery picks.

10 Nov 2017 23:57:44
Mark Cuban would say rondo deal was a nightmare.

11 Nov 2017 02:43:01
James Harden trade was worse. and the mo will for Davis is close. 3rd choice is the love for Wiggins because the cavs could did Better or kept him.

11 Nov 2017 04:07:32
Love for Wiggins wasn't bad for the Cavs. Wiggins is a worse offensive player, rebounder, passer, and defender. Outside of being younger and more athletic, Wiggins reeally doesn't have anything on Love.

11 Nov 2017 07:00:32
I take Butler or George or cousins other then love because I believe Wiggins is better then what the bulls, pacers and kings gave up.

11 Nov 2017 14:11:56
Sixers get:Andrew Bynum (remember him? ) for Igoudala, Vucevic, Harkless, and a first round pick. Bynum never saw the floor for the sixers.

11 Nov 2017 17:05:47

That was a crazy trade indeed.

Funny that the Magic won that trade :-) :-) :-)

12 Nov 2017 00:33:28
Magic won that trade big time. And the same trade set the sixers back for years.

13 Nov 2017 13:41:09
Ohioboy, yeah, but you're talking about trades that happened 3 years, 3 finals appearance and a Championship after the fact. The Cavs went out and got the best player available for Wiggins and even though the fit has never been perfect, Love has given them more than Wiggins would have to this point.

07 Nov 2017 08:50:39
Hou: R Lopez+ Portis

Bulls: R Anderson+ 2rnd pick Hou 2018 and 2019

07 Nov 2017 12:57:25
I don't love Anderson's fit with the Bulls. Him, Lauri and Miro when he returns creates a logjam of somewhat similar players at the 4.

06 Nov 2017 10:31:45
Hou: Okafor+Ellington

Philly: R Anderson+ 2rnd pick Hou

Miami: Bayless+ 1rnd pick Hou (lottery protected)

Hou receive capspace and CP3 could upgrade Okafor's value and maybe Nene could learn him some defense

Anderson can become a good sixth man in Philly and he could lead that young team.

Miami receive a backup PG and they get an extra pick ( i don't think they can hit the free agent market next year, so they can take Bayless's contract.

06 Nov 2017 14:47:49
Philly should get a first just for taking on Anderson's contract. I also don't like Okafor for Houston. He has 0 chance of being able to be even a rotation player with their play style.

23 Oct 2017 01:30:51
Cavs get Gordon ariza
Rockets get shumpert smith Osman Brooklyn 1st Miami 2nd

Sign Ellis Perkins

Thomas rose Calderon
Wade Gordon Ellis
James ariza korver
Crowder green zizic
Love Thompson Perkins

23 Oct 2017 03:00:47
That's terrible for the Cavs.

23 Oct 2017 03:21:48
rockets are trying to win a championship this year, so they aren't going to take the weak end of a player swap to get picks.

16 Oct 2017 17:03:02
The Thunder traded J Harden to Houston for Lamb+ Martin+ 1rnd pick (Adams)

Two other teams had a chance

Toronto offered Valaciunas+T Ross, but they thought Valanciunas would have a higher sealing.
C: A Johnson
PF: Bargnani
SF: Derozan
Sg: Harden

The other team was Washington, they offered Beal and Singleton

What do you guys think would have been the best trade?

16 Oct 2017 17:13:51
beal might have made a huge difference in kd staying in okc.

16 Oct 2017 18:33:58
If not trading isn't an option, Beal. It's hard to judge in retrospect though. Lamb looked like a potentially solid player with upside and Martin was coming off a huge year.

16 Oct 2017 18:50:54
On the surface i think the Washington offer was best. There is no way to know what impact those offers would have made on future moves though.

20 Oct 2017 13:47:56
It wound up that Beal may have been the big get, but I think Houston was still the best package. When you take health into consideration, I think Adams is the best piece of all of those players. They also got Martin, who at that point was a really good scorer if nothing else, Lamb, who was another interesting kid, the #32 back after it took an interesting tour through half the league where they took Abrines (meh) and a future 1st where they took Mitch McGary.

A scorer, a young talent in Lamb, and three chances at another good player (in the form of #s 12, 21 and 32) for a guy they didn't think they could keep is probably the best of the bunch. I'd really have to know what else was coming with Beal/ Singleton or Val/ Ross to determine what was better, but that's not likely to ever come out.

10 Oct 2017 04:44:07
Cavs Houston Portland

Cavs receive

Houston receives

Portland receives

10 Oct 2017 09:51:54
Yep, taking out that 2nd round pick makes this trade much more sensible. Harkless is the single best piece in this trade. Anderson's contract is the single worst piece. Given those facts, do you see where this trade makes 0 sense
for anyone except Houston?

09 Oct 2017 06:04:05
Cavs Houston Portland

Cavs receive
future 2nd from rockets

Houston receives

Portland receives

09 Oct 2017 13:10:59
It's pretty terrible for the Cavs. Why would they take on Anderson's contract for a 2nd round pick? I don't even think the Cavs would rather have Anderson than Shumpert and Frye. Frye is a poor mans Anderson and Shumperts defense will be important.

09 Oct 2017 14:08:01
Hate it for Portland. Harkless is a better overall player than Shumpert by quite a bit. And Shumpert probably rarely gets on the court behind Lillard, McCollum, and Turner. Harkless is one of two SF on Portland, they need him, or an upgrade at SF.

09 Oct 2017 23:47:36
The Cavs have Love, so why would they want R Anderson
Portland could use R Anderson, so why would they take Shumpert?

10 Oct 2017 01:26:00
Portland would have to send out a lot more salary to take on Anderson, and with swanigan/ Collins/ Aminu, I really don’t see Anderson as a need with his enormous salary.

29 Sep 2017 15:42:42
If the CP3 experiment in Houston isn't going as planned at the deadline, maybe this trade would make sense.

Cavs get Chris Paul and Clint Capela

Rockets get Tristan Thompson, Isaiah Thomas, and the Nets pick

The Cavs add an elite playmaker to a squad already featuring two excellent playmakers in LBJ and D-Wade, and now they own 3/4 of the banana boat quartet (with Melo possibly hitting the market next summer). Paul's presence would take a ton of playmaking pressure off LeBron and would allow the King to focus on scoring, rebounding, and efficiency. Capela also provides a great young center to replace TT. CP3/Wade/LBJ/Love/Capela

If the CP3 experiment isn't working out, the Rockets would be wise to get value for him after everything they gave up for him. The Nets pick will almost for sure be a top five pick in what looks to be a very talented class, meaning the Rockets can add a blue chip player for Harden to mentor. Thompson is already signed long-term unlike Capela, so they won't have to worry about signing a big contract next summer. I'm not sure about IT's long-term status in Houston considering his defensive woes, but he could make a great 6th man or possible backcourt complement to Harden.

29 Sep 2017 17:53:11
No way the Cavs aRe trading that pick in a deal for that. That's terrible for them.

29 Sep 2017 23:59:16
say cp resigns along side lebron. might not be such a bad caveat to trading the nets pick. and who needs IT when u have CP. i can see the logic in this deal.

23 Sep 2017 07:16:34
Ranking the Melo trade options in order
Deadline: 9/25/17
1 . Trade Melo to the Cavaliers for Shumpert, three expirings (Frye, Jefferson, Felder) & 2018 Nets 1st.
PG Thomas / Rose
SG Smith / Korver
SF James / Crowder
PF Love / Anthony
C Thompson / Zizic

2 . Trade Melo to the Blazers for Harkless, three expirings (Davis, Vonleah, Napier) and a future 1st.
PG Lillard - Turner
SG McCollum - Connuaghton
SF Aminu - Layman
PF Anthony - Leonard
C Nurkic - Collins

3 . Houston gives Anderson and a 2nd to Pacers; non-guaranteed contracts/1st to Knicks. Pacers send short-term deals (Jefferson/Stephenson) to Knicks. Knicks trade Melo to Rockets.
PG Paul / Brown
SG Harden / Gordon
SF Ariza / Tucker
PF Anthony / Mbah A Moute
C Capela / Nene

4 . Thunder gives Kanter and a 2nd to Mavericks; Doug McDermott (expiring) to the Knicks. Mavericks Barea, two expirings (McRoberts, Harris) to the Knicks. Knicks trade Melo to Thunder.
PG Westbrook / Felton
SG Roberson / Abrines
SF George / Grant
PF Anthony / Patterson
C Adams / Collison

23 Sep 2017 07:31:37
The Cavs aren't giving up the Nets pick for Melo and it would take more to get the Pacers to take on Andersons contract. A 2nd isn't even almost worth it.

23 Sep 2017 16:51:42
Yeah, no way Cleveland includes the nets pick unless porzingis is included as well (which obviously won't happen) .

23 Sep 2017 18:00:20
Maybe the cavs pick but no way are they trading the Brooklyn pickf for melo.

23 Sep 2017 18:35:52
Indy would want a first

Portland would be a good fit for him.

23 Sep 2017 04:20:47

DET : R.Anderson + 1st round pick HOU (2020)

NY : R.Jackson + T.Ariza + 1st round pick HOU (2018) + 2nd round pick DET + some waiveable contracts from HOU

HOU : C.Anthony + H.Ellenson

I think this is a fair offer for NY to deal Melo to Rockets finally. Detroit get an equally terrible contract but get a 1st while Anderson fits very well behind Drummond and knows SVG system very well

22 Sep 2017 12:03:32
Melo pushing for a trade going to Houston if not, he will accept the Blazers offer..

Finally, Melo drama will be over before the start of the season..

22 Sep 2017 14:15:02
I don't know that he'll accept the Blazers trade. It looks like his family is all ready to move to Houston, and based on La LA's career, staying in NY would be better than living in Portland.

22 Sep 2017 16:22:40
The problem is that NY has absolutely no interest in houston's offer triangle. They won't take Ryan Anderson. It's possible that he ends up in Houston, but if it was going to happen, it seems like it would have happened already.

22 Sep 2017 22:01:25
Bmiller, I completely agree, my comment was only that he would rather stay in NYC and continue to hold out hope for Houston instead of accepting a deal to Portland.

21 Sep 2017 20:12:55
Knicks - Pelicans - Rockets

Knicks gets:
2018 1st Pelicans (Top 3 protected)
2020 1st Rockets (top 10 protected)

Pelicans gets:

Rockets gets:
Future 2nd Pelicans

Knicks take on bad contracts while moving on from Melo. Getting two 1st rd picks will help their rebuild.

Pelicans move Hill that is injured, Asik and Ajinca that is just bad contracts for a shooter in Anderson and a starting SF in Ariza.

Rocket finally gets Melo and can now form their big 3. Kuzminskas can try to earn some bench minutes or he gets moves again at the deadline.

21 Sep 2017 22:30:10
All day garbage offer for ny.

22 Sep 2017 11:55:46
Maybe without the protections, but NY should keep Anthony in this case.

22 Sep 2017 14:18:58
Asik and Ajinca is too much garbage for the Knicks to take on just to move Melo and pick up a couple of mid to late first rounders.

21 Sep 2017 14:32:05
The Knicks get Monroe(exp), Frye(exp), Teletovic , Jefferson(exp), Tavares(waive), Parker, Brogodon, and 2 Houston firsts

The Cavs get Henson

The Rockets get Melo

The Bucks get Porzingis, Ariza, Anderson, and Noah

21 Sep 2017 14:53:09
Don't see the Knickerbockers trading Porzingis, since he is the face of their franchise. If they were going to trade him, it seems like they had better offers before this year's draft. Don't see him moved anywhere.

21 Sep 2017 15:00:00
this trade was fine until i got to the porzingis part. remember what ny was asking pre-draft for him? i doubt they have weakened those demands at all. but in theory, giannis and zinger is a terrifying prospect.

21 Sep 2017 15:31:23
No from NY. we had legit talks for Booker and the 4th pick for Kristaps and Noah.

21 Sep 2017 16:02:37
Alexstorm, the Knicks asked for Booker and Pheonix told them to kick rocks. I never saw where Noah was involved. Maybe this isn't enough for KP, but what would basically be Brogdon, Parker, a 1st and getting rid of Noah wouldn't be a bad return.

21 Sep 2017 14:08:37
Houston gets Melo

The Knicks get Parker, Monroe, Qi, Vaughn, Taylor (waive), Quarterman (waive), Long (Waive), Onuako (waive), and a lottery protected 2020 Houston pick

The Bucks get Anderson, Lee, top 8 protected 18 Knicks pick, and a top 10 protected 2022 Houston pick

21 Sep 2017 07:27:31
3 team trade Melo going to Rockets:

Anderson and future 1st rd pick from Rockets to Sixers

Okafor, Ariza and Bayless plus Gentile (unsign draftee from Rockets) to Knicks

Melo and O'Quinn to Rockets


Melo and Noah for Ariza, Anderson and Gordon

21 Sep 2017 10:40:18
i don't dislike this for the Knicks
Okafor-Porzingis could be a good combo.

Philly could absorb Anderson's contract and he could be a leader for that young team.

21 Sep 2017 13:24:44
The 2nd trade is awful for Houston.

20 Sep 2017 23:47:31
Melo's camp is hopefull that Melo is with the Rockets by monday, Rockets are not giving Ariza up and Knicks don't want Anderson, so I came up with this.


Rockets get Melo and Neto


Knicks get Favors, Burks, Teletovic, Long, Rockets '20 1st rounder ( top 6 protected ), Bucks '20 1st rounder (lottery protected)


Jazz get Anderson, O'Quinn, Dotson, Jackson, Taylor (waive) and option to swap '21 1st rounder with Rockets


Bucks receive Lee

Brogdon/Delavedova/Payton II

Rockets get what they want.
Knicks get solid veterans, strengthen their bench and most importantly get two 1st rounders.
Jazz adds another great shooter to compliment Goberts play style and a great back up big.
Bucks get rid of Teletovic and get a great 3 and D player to help them push fod a deep playoff run.

21 Sep 2017 03:59:21
First-rounder in the 20 to 30 range is fair compensation for Anthony. Knicks will never get that haul.

21 Sep 2017 13:14:03
But they could have Horford and the Nets first for Melo from Boston if they want Super.

19 Sep 2017 19:06:42
Knicks - Rockets - Thunder

Knicks gets:
Taylor (Waive)
Quarterman (Waive)
Long (Waive)
2020 1st Rockets (top 5 protected)

Rockets gets:

Thunder gets:
2020 2nd Rockets

20 Sep 2017 23:05:07
Anderson isn't a bad fit in OKC,
one off the best C Anthony to Houston trades i've seen.

22 Sep 2017 22:31:22
Makes enough sense it could work, i agree it is one of the best melo to rockets trades i have heard.

23 Sep 2017 05:38:40
Thunder, like everyone else, do not want Anderson and his insane contract either.
I have a better idea,

NY gets :
(Chicago's 2018 2nd Rd pick)

OKC gets :

17 Sep 2017 15:05:25

Sixers get:Frye,Cavs own 2018 1st
Cavs get:Holmes,Rockets 2018 2nd via 76ers.

Sixers could use Fryes big man shooting off bench. Gain late 1st rd pick.

Cavs could use Holmes as back up for Thompson and not lose a step(Holmes may actually be the better player here), and save 6 million in salary against the cap(which probably equates to a $15mill total savings).

17 Sep 2017 15:13:31
Frye is a non-rotation player even in Philly and the Cavs' No. 1 is not worth much.
Holmes is a legit player who would cost more than what Cleveland is giving up.

18 Sep 2017 00:48:56
Supercollider: could the celtics use Holmes in their big man rotation? What would the boys from beantown be willing to give up for him in a fair deal? Great thing about Holmes contract is its for 1.4 this year and a team option 1.6 for the following year. Awesome for his production and potential.

18 Sep 2017 04:10:33
Holmes is a solid player, but I think Frye would be in Philly's rotation Collider. I think it all depends on how comfortable Philly is with Embiids healthy. If they aren't (speaking more long term) they need to keep Holmes as insurance. If they are, they might want to try and sell high on Holmes, who won't be playing a ton of minutes this year, since they probably won't want to pay him in 2 years. He could be looking at 10+ million dollars. Maybe out could switch the direction the 2nd is going though. I like it for the Cavs.

18 Sep 2017 10:29:53
Voug - After Fultz/ Tatum it's unlikely Boston and Philly would make another big trade. Holmes has great potential, but he has yet to play in a big game so his projected 36-minute stats (17 ppg, 1.9 blocks) might be empty calories. As to compensation, Boston's roster now has players who would be too much of an overpay plus players who wouldn't be enough to get Holmes. Suppose maybe Rozier would be somewhat equal value, but that would thin out a backcourt that already could use a little more depth. Plus, moving Holmes would force Philly to give minutes to Okafor, so it might be a trade that would hurt both teams.

18 Sep 2017 21:06:10
Sixers traded up to #25 this year to draft 7'1" Pasecniks from Latvia. he's the long term back up for Embiid. Amir Johnson gives immediate help inside to okafor if embiid gets hurt again. Holmes value is very high at the moment. Time to sell. Who needs a young, high upside bigman on a bargain basement contract for the next 2 years? Any trade ideas?

13 Sep 2017 01:50:39
ATL: Bazemore + HOU 1st

CHI: Wade

ATL clears Baze off the books, And CHI gets an athletic wing + an additional 1st.

13 Sep 2017 17:34:12
Make it a 3 way deal

Atlanta sends bazemore and Hou 1st to Chicago
Atlanta receives Channing Frye (Exp) and Iman Shumpert (Exp)

Chicago sends DWade
Chicago receives Baze and Hou 1st

Cavs send Frye and Shumpert
Cavs receive Wade.

13 Sep 2017 18:47:51
I'm not sure why Atlanta would be trying to clear cap space. They're in the first year of a rebuild. It's not like free agents will be all that interested next season.

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