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03 Aug 2018 17:02:29
Memphis gets Alex Abrines and Kyle Singler

OKC gets Garrett Temple and Dakari Johnson

Memphis would do well to pair Abrines with Gasol who play on the Spain national team together. Singler needs a change of scenery and is partially guaranteed next season.

Thunder get a great backup 3 who could play closeout minutes and has an expiring deal. Dakari was developing well for the Thunder, comes back, and they still save money.

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25 Jul 2018 22:55:17
Okc gets Simmons
Orlando gets Singler, Ferguson

Okc gets a great rotational wing who could compete with Dre for that starting 2 spot and play great d in those future warrior games.

Orlando gets a great prospect in Ferguson and Singler who has a partially guaranteed deal next year.

ChurchPugh

1.) 26 Jul 2018 00:41:45
No Magic declined that deal Terrance Ross 2020 second round pick for Singler and Ferguson Johnathan Simmons is untouchable.


2.) 26 Jul 2018 00:45:03
Simmons is still a better prospect, and they don't have to take singler. There's no incentive.


3.) 26 Jul 2018 17:11:30
Ferguson is not a great prospect.


4.) 26 Jul 2018 18:23:47
I could only see them take Singler for Ross to gain some cap space and they could ask for a 2nd round pick, but I think that would be a bad trade on the Thunder's side if they gave up another pick.
It's a big roll of the dice for a one year rental that will add 5 mill more to salary and a huge amount more to the luxury tax amount.
Especially since no one knows how well he has recovered from his injury last year.


5.) 26 Jul 2018 19:31:00
He said Jonathan Simmons is untouchable Hahahaha are you forreal? That’s actually a fair trade. Everyone knows exactly what you get with Simmons. Ferguson in the other hand is very young and has a lot of potential. Watch some more bball.


 

 

16 Jul 2018 15:56:40
I know a Melo trade is super unlikely, but I feel like the idea of Melo as an expiring contract is attractive to Pat Riley...

Okc gets Olynyk, James Johnson

Miami gets Melo, Singler, two 2nd rounders

Okc loads up on front court depth that can be meaningful role players. They save about $5M in salary which saves even more in luxury taxes.

Miami gets a massive expiring deal. They can buyout Singler. They can turn around a move another contract or two. Boom: Pat Riley is now a player in the coveted 2019 FA market.

ChurchPugh

1.) 16 Jul 2018 17:38:52
The Heat are sitting at something like 120 million dollars next year before they even resign Winslow. This doesn't open up any capspace for them at all.


2.) 16 Jul 2018 17:46:14
He like johnson and olynyk. They would move whiteside and or johnson. Find a 3 team for hassan.


3.) 16 Jul 2018 18:41:27
It's singler and melo, something could be done with T. johnson or Whiteside and one of J. johnson or olynyk.


4.) 16 Jul 2018 18:50:46
To paraphrase Michael in Godfather Part II, "My offer for Melo is nothing. "
Anyone who wants Anthony at this point gets him for free because OKC is stuck with his salary. Next year he won't even get the veterans minimum.


5.) 16 Jul 2018 19:57:54
Are they going to invent a salary slot for melo?


 

 

09 Jul 2018 16:56:54
A Melo Trade Attempt...

Okc gets Olynyk
Miami gets Melo, Koufos
Sac gets Whiteside

Okc gets a stretch 4/5 and cap relief.

Miami gets tons of cap space for next summer plus get Melo and Wade together.

Sacramento has struck out thus far in FA but has lots of cap room. They still have a little left over but flip Koufos for Whiteside. He may have washed out in Miami, but he is very talented and has history in Sac.

ChurchPugh

1.) 09 Jul 2018 18:00:43
Kings may try for hood.


2.) 09 Jul 2018 18:03:06
Any team that wants Anthony will be able to get him for the minimum. OKC will be picking up the tab. Olynyk is a serviceable big. Heat would not give him up for Anthony. CA will probably go to Rockets, where he can save face when they bring him off the bench. On a lesser team he would insist on starting and being the first option, and that ship sailed about four years ago.


3.) 09 Jul 2018 20:13:41
Phill Jackson doesn't look so bad now does he?


4.) 09 Jul 2018 22:42:36
Yep he was right about melo just so stubborn with the triangle defense.


 

 

27 Jun 2018 13:38:07
Melo has opted in. Thunder don't want him but a deal seems super unlikely. But I couldn't help myself playing with the trade machine to come up with some type of solution. What about Miami?

Miami gets Melo, Ferguson, 2nd rounder

OKC gets Olynyk, Waiters, Tyler Johnson

For Miami, that's a massive expiring deal to let them be players in FA next summer. It let's wade and Melo play together. It also gives them a nice prospect in Ferguson and a second rounder.

For OKC, they lose Melo. He didn't fit in OKC, and I think he'd waive his no trade for Miami. They sacrifice Ferguson's potential for meaningful role players in the present. They let Waiters play his old role of ball handler off the bench. They lacked a reserve 5 last year and get that in Olynyk. Johnson is underrated and could have a nice bench role.

Thoughts? I do understand that a Melo trade is wayyyyy unlikely and his value is down.

ChurchPugh

1.) 27 Jun 2018 14:11:26
Anthony has a negative value. There is no way OKC could get three decent players for him. And Pat Riley doesn't do tanking, which is what they would have to do if they got Anthony. The Thunder would have to attach first-round picks into the 2030s to dump him.


2.) 27 Jun 2018 14:35:14
Melo has a no trade clause.


3.) 27 Jun 2018 15:22:15
Seriously Supercollider, don't you get tired of saying the same boring (and wrong) thing over and over again? Firsts into 2030 to dump an expiring contract? You realize how incredibly stupid that sounds right?

It's not an uneven trade. Johnson's contract is the worst contract in the trade. Waiters is also pretty bad. Olynyk's is also bad.

Now that I write all that out, I think OKC would be fairly foolish to take this. Though I guess it gives them a bunch of overpaid role players so they can be a 5-8 seed for the next 3-5 years.


4.) 27 Jun 2018 16:06:30
Last year or the year before trade machine wouldn't let you include Anthony in a deal because of his no trade clause.


5.) 27 Jun 2018 16:13:14
Couldn’t agree more Bmiller.

Miami overpaid for all three of those players, and getting them off the books for the expiring deal of Melo is something I’m sure they would entertain.

Melo I’m sure would consider Miami. While he would likely go all Melo in Iso with that roster not having a volume scorer, Miami has their pick next year, and this would create cap space. Remember, Wade came during a “retool” year.


6.) 27 Jun 2018 16:22:09
6'10" guys with the skill set of olynyk making 11 mil are overpaid/ bad contracts. Tough crowd.


7.) 27 Jun 2018 17:06:18
Realistically, any bench player making over 10 million is a bad contract unless they're winning the Sixth Man of the Year award. I don't see Olynyk being a top 3 bench player in the NBA.

That said, he's not a horrible contract like Deng or Mozgov or Noah are. Just not good. He's definitely the one of those three from Miami that I'd want the most.


8.) 27 Jun 2018 17:33:12
Why would the Thunder give up an expiring for bad contracts?


9.) 27 Jun 2018 19:40:38
@bmiller66 you forgot turner and m. leonard.


10.) 28 Jun 2018 03:11:53
I never forget about them.


 

 

 

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16 Jun 2017 02:17:35
OKC needs a shot blocker, stretch 4, versatility, size on the wing, etc...

If they get lucky, they find a team to take Kanter without getting much else back. Stretch Singler. Renounce Roberson.

Two guys who make a lot of sense on the current roster (don't laugh): Serge Ibaka and Jeff Green.

Sure, Ibaka wanted out and wanted a bigger role. Well. He can have it now, AND go back to the team that drafted/developed him.

Next you have Green. He showed promise for the Thunder but was never a four despite being stuck there for OKC. He can come back and slide into a more natural position at the 3. He'll be way less expensive after disappearing a bit in Orlando but still has some talent.

Resign Taj and convince him being the big off the bench in Kanter's role is the right move for him. Cut Christon and Cole and hope you get a solid point in FA and draft one at 21.

Russ-FA-Rookie
Oladipo-Abrines
Green-Grant
Ibaka-Sabonis
Adams-Gibson

Thoughts?

ChurchPugh

1.) 17 Jun 2017 06:24:49
Not bad but I don't think OKC has cap for this and where's McDermott?


 

 

08 Jun 2017 19:33:28
Whats the best return OKC can get for Russ?

ChurchPugh

1.) 08 Jun 2017 20:39:40
LAL- #2, Russell, and Ingram
BOS- #1, (Thomas to a 3rd team), Nets 2018, Yabusele.


 

 

03 Jun 2017 18:18:38
Let me see your best Russ Westbrook trade scenario.

Russ to Wolves?

Russ to Lakers?

Russ to Sixers?

Russ to Boston?

Russ to....?

ChurchPugh

1.) 03 Jun 2017 23:21:35
Maybe
2nd pick, Russell and Clarkson for Westbrook?


2.) 04 Jun 2017 11:27:22
Russ to OKC for more years.


 

 

02 Jun 2017 15:49:53
Whats the best OKC could do on a Westbrook return? He's a top 10 player and deserves more than what the Thunder can give him.

OKC could restock and bide their time developing young guys and wait until things open back up. So many other teams in win-now mode. Russ has that killer instinct and endless motor.

They could call teams like Boston, LA, Spurs, Sixers, etc. What could they get back? what's the best they could do?

Lets see in the comments.

ChurchPugh

1.) 02 Jun 2017 16:59:34
I think LA and Boston would be their best bet.

Boston would probably be something like 2 of the Brooklyn picks, and Brown and then whatever a third team would give up for Thomas (something like 3 solid picks or young players) .

The Lakers would give Igram, Russell, the 2, and then one of their lesser prospects and maybe a little more if they were willing to take on Mozgov or Deng.

I don't see many other teams with the young talent and picks and current roster/ ability to sign a free agent to team up with Russell to make the price worth it to make an offer attractive enough to pull Russell under the current circumstances. Obviously if he says he's walking things change.


2.) 02 Jun 2017 17:19:57
Church ---
All the teams you mentioned have assets, but at what cost?
Boston has draft picks into the next century, but is not going to give all of them up. And all that would do is drop OKC to Phoenix level for 3-4 and depress the fan base.
The Lakers would do something, but the cupboard would be bare when Westbrook gets there.
San Antonio plays team ball and would not abandon that to become The Westbrook Show.
Philly won't give up Simmons or Embiid, and anything else they have won't get the trade done.


 

 

27 May 2017 16:20:47
If this Kanter accusation gets serious, do the Thunder look to wipe his salary from the books (either getting an exemption from the league or waiving him)?

ChurchPugh

1.) 28 May 2017 04:50:00
Hahahah a be quiet. A ridiculous dictator made a bs accusation. Just stop.


 

 

 

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06 Jun 2018 14:17:08
This would be huge for Memphis. Love and Gasol would be nasty. Kemba would be an upgrade over Conley. Plus they shed Parsons? Worth it giving up the 4th pick.

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27 Oct 2017 16:22:14
Would rather have Jokic over Cousind tbh.

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28 Sep 2017 04:06:45
That's not even the chandler they need. Try putting together a respectable and doable Tyson chandler deal. He'd be a fantastic backup 5.

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03 Aug 2017 14:16:28
Appreciate the shoutout! Just can't see us moving Adams unless it's a younger, more locked in star. He's very valuable.

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05 Jul 2017 18:02:21
Sick of hearing about losing Harden.

We offered him the deal he wanted. He didn't accept because of his role. We in turn hit the phones. Called GSW first. They wouldn't give up Thompson. We called Wiz second. They wouldn't give up Beal. We called Houston third. We landed Martin (stop gap), Lamb (bust), and the pick that turned into Steven Adams. None are equivalent to Harden. Sure. But all that crap about not paying Harden is incorrect.

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