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20 May 2019 22:09:44
Thunder get:
Love
JR Smith
Dellavadova
Osman

Cavaliers get:
Adams
Schroeder
Roberson
Diallo

OKC could really use a guy like Love, and Love could really use a team like OKC saving him. He can stretch the floor, rebound, and be that third scoring option. Smith is a head case, but he can score and is a big expiring deal. Delly can be their change of pace point. Osman will likely move as the Thunder won't be able to afford him, but he can be a nice bench guy this year.

Cavs need to move Love, but frankly they will have limited options. This deal nets them a starting center that fits next to Nance and rids them of Smith.

Thoughts?

ChurchPugh

1.) 20 May 2019 22:32:05
Smith is partially guaranteed, he's not a negative contract.

Adams is overpaid and not a good contract to have on a rebuilding team. Roberson is dead weight. Schroeder is a bad contract and a bad starting PG.

I hate this for Cleveland a lot. Might as well just keep Love, who seems like a great teammate and mentor.


2.) 20 May 2019 23:29:07
Not to echo Bmiller to much, but piece for piece the Cavs seem to come off on the short end on all of them. Even with salary taken out of the picture, I’d rather have Delly that Schroeder as we have 3 combo guards/ shoot first pgs already on the roster, Love at least can live up to his contract compared to Adams who can’t unless he’s in a very specific role on a good team, I’d take Cedi over Diallo, and jr’s non guaranteed money is a trade piece. You’d have to switch Roberson with Grant and a first for this to be something Cleveland considers.


3.) 21 May 2019 01:25:25
Thoughts? Go back to church and do some heavy praying.


4.) 21 May 2019 01:40:56
Great mentor in a asylum. Great teammate when he takes off 30 games a yr on bad teams.


 

 

13 May 2019 02:24:36
Draft night deal.

Okc gets Gordon, Clarkson, Osman

Cavs get Schroeder, Roberson, Tucker, okc 1st

Rockets get Love, Nader

Thunder get the shooter they need. Cavs get a first, a good point to help Sexton transition, and out of the love contract. Rockets go all in by adding Love and a non guaranteed deal, so they can add minimum vets hunting rings to fill out their roster.

Thoughts?

ChurchPugh

1.) 13 May 2019 06:33:51
Why are the Rockets trading Tucker and Gordon for Love.


2.) 13 May 2019 11:17:38
I don’t see how this helps the Rockets or Cavs.


3.) 13 May 2019 13:14:10
Houston's issue is primarily (perimeter) defense. How does Love help with that?


 

 

07 May 2019 02:43:01
Thunder get Fournier, Augustin, Ojeleye
***Fournier could be the spacing the starting 5 need to be complete and compete. Augustin can also shoot too. They'll have to find a new sixth man.

Magic get Hayward, Schroeder, Nader
***Hayward could be the number one scorer the Magic desperately need. And Schroeder could really help Fultz transition plus spot start or play alongside him.

Celtics get Gordon, Roberson
***Roberson expires next summer which could help retain their young players. Keep Hayward at $30M and watch brown walk OR pay Gordon $20M and keep brown?

ChurchPugh

1.) 07 May 2019 05:50:11
You’re just hiding the Thunder getting something to nothing with the weird Hayward situation. Roberson and Schroeder both have negative value. Who knows what Hayward’s worth.


2.) 07 May 2019 06:25:27
I don't know about Shroeder having a negative value. He might be overpaid but not by a lot. He can be good to a young team with no point guard.


3.) 07 May 2019 22:48:40
Magic give up three starters for three bench players?


 

 

04 May 2019 14:43:10
Okc gets Love, Anderson

Memphis gets Adams, Dre

Cleveland gets Parsons, okc 2nd, Memphis second

Okc gets shooting, bench help, reshuffle.
Memphis gets grit n grind-ier and unload Parsons.
Cleveland looks at next summer as most of their payroll clears to sign guys and reset the roster. OR dangle their roster of expiring deals to go add value later in the year.

ChurchPugh

1.) 04 May 2019 14:52:30
The Cavs aren’t giving up Love for nothing.


2.) 05 May 2019 02:10:35
Expiring and 2nd is great deal for love.


3.) 05 May 2019 06:10:06
Rkenne16 you're right they won't trade him for nothing. Most likely they will have to throw in some draft picks to unload him. They supposedly tried moving him before the deadline and nobody wanted anything to do with a injury prone player on a huge deal. Love will most likely end his career in cleveland, unless he eventually gets bought out.


4.) 05 May 2019 13:20:39
From everything I’ve read, they haven’t tried to trade him since he signed the extension. They want him to be a veteran presence as they rebuild. Before he came back, I thought they should trade him for whatever they could get, but Sexton and Osman were so much better and more comfortable with Love in the lineup. If he’s to help the young guys develop, they should keep him unless someone offers something of real value for him. The Cavs ha e plenty of expiring money to move around for picks and are never going to draw any major free agents.
They’re not getting better by just dumping that salary.


 

 

19 Feb 2019 21:53:28
This summer.

Phoenix gets Wall, Patterson, protected Washington 1st

Washington gets Roberson, Jackson

Oklahoma City gets Warren, Howard, 2 Washington 2nds

Phoenix can afford to wait for Wall. If it works out, they get a star who can redefine his career in Phoenix. If it doesn't, they get the pick and risk only a bit.

Washington could keep Roberson (dpoy candidate when healthy) reunited with his Brooks. Or they could buy out the final year of his deal and get out of TONS of salary in exchange for a first. Rebuild around Beal.

Oklahoma seems committed to the luxury tax and going for a championship (I'm one of the proud few who think they could do it this year). Flip Dre for Warren and Patterson for Dwight is splashy and risky. But they get back more offense and athleticism. Helps depth.

ChurchPugh

1.) 19 Feb 2019 22:40:37
Risk only a bit? He’s going to be on the wrong side of 3. Coming back from heel and Achilles surgery. And making 45+ million for multiple years.

Seems like a tad more than “a bit”.


2.) 19 Feb 2019 23:24:39
Booker will be a star before Wall gets back.


3.) 20 Feb 2019 00:28:08
Not a chance that trade goes down for an injured player.


4.) 20 Feb 2019 03:53:15
You might have wall on your team for 4 more years taking up a little less than half your cap. The Wizards would need to multiple unprotected picks to get off of Wall.


 

 

 

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03 Nov 2018 20:46:31
Is there a way that okc adds griffin to their core of Russ, PG, and Adams by sending Schroder to a pg needy team like the suns and picks to the Pistons?

ChurchPugh

1.) 03 Nov 2018 21:08:22
With the casey hiring and the seeming interest in making the playoffs in DET, I'd have to say you couldn't get Griffin without talent and picks.


2.) 03 Nov 2018 21:17:23
Not the way griffin is playing. He’s been great. They’d want some real assets, not just a late first or two with a bad contract.


3.) 04 Nov 2018 14:30:45
I’m not sure Griffin is a good fit next to Westbrook. He likes the ball in his hands, he’s not much of a shooter, and he clogs the lane up. A potential starting line up that has Westbrook, Roberson, Griffin, and Adams is an offensive disaster in today’s NBA.


4.) 04 Nov 2018 17:34:46
Griffin shoots from all over the court and at a decent clip for a big man. Not sure why you say he only shoots from in the paint. He shot over 300 threes last year and currently shooting like 45% from deep. He doesn’t need the ball in his hands. He’s one of the best passing bigs in the league.

What are you basing that evaluation on?


5.) 05 Nov 2018 02:37:06
I suppose he’s a little better shooter than I was thinking, but he’s a career 33 percent shooter. It’s solid if you have other shooters, but he can’t be the 2nd best shooter in your starting lineup. Also, for him to make those passes he needs the ball. Having the ball in your hands doesn’t just mean that you are shooting. His usage rate is currently right between Lebron and Curry’s. Last year he was right inbetween DerozN and Wall. He’s at his best when the iffense runs through him and he can create for himself and others. Taking the ball out of his hands diminishes how effective he can be. He isn’t a spot up shooter. Plus, if you put him in the pick and role with Russ for large chunks of the game everyone, but the guy guarding George can basically collapse on them because Roberson and Adams can’t shoot. So in the starting lineup you’re basically going to use him as a spot up shooter? He’s also a below average defender. Why trade multiple picks/ players to pay a guy 35 Million that doesn’t fit in with your already expensive and thin team?


6.) 05 Nov 2018 18:12:34
Right. Point being, he actually has the ability to spread the offense, not condense it. That 33% is misleading, as it was when he was taking 1 or 2 3s a game. its likely more around 36ish, which is league average and great for a big man.

As to the usage rate, that really isn't a good statistic to look at in a vacuum. The team has no real pg. He scores a lot and passes very well. he's going to have the ball often. That statistic merely shows he is heavily involved. AKA, passing a lot and scoring efficiently.


7.) 05 Nov 2018 19:47:29
He was 31st last year among qualifying pfs in 3 point shooting percentage. He’s not putting great in anyone from 3 point range. He’s not worth the money or assets for the Thunder unless the rest of the roster is heavily overhauled.


8.) 05 Nov 2018 23:11:06
No one said he was elite at 3. You specifically said he has no range. Which you then admitted was incorrect to say. A pf that is averaging 25/ 11/ 5. You don’t think that’s of value?

The premise was they keep the core. So what, he isn’t a major major upgrade over grant?

Just stop it. Griffin is a top 30 player in the league and one could contend so far top 15. That team would be solid. Simply need to add a shooter or two, which there always available ones.


9.) 06 Nov 2018 16:54:14
I just don’t see Griffin as the missing link to make OKC a legitimate top 3 or 4 team in the league or make them a threat to upset the Warriors. If you’re going to give up the last few assets you have and lock in those kind of luxury payments that’s what he needs to be. He doesn’t complement the rest of the roster and he would be hard to maximize. I’m not arguing that adding Blake Griffin would make their team worse. If they could add him without giving players up for the minimum then sure great addition, but to get rid of a couple rotation players and more future picks doesn’t make sense. Using those some of those assets and money to go get guys like Ariza, Bazemore, and/ or Korver would make more sense, be cheaper, and imo make a bigger impact.


 

 

16 Jun 2017 02:17:35
OKC needs a shot blocker, stretch 4, versatility, size on the wing, etc...

If they get lucky, they find a team to take Kanter without getting much else back. Stretch Singler. Renounce Roberson.

Two guys who make a lot of sense on the current roster (don't laugh): Serge Ibaka and Jeff Green.

Sure, Ibaka wanted out and wanted a bigger role. Well. He can have it now, AND go back to the team that drafted/developed him.

Next you have Green. He showed promise for the Thunder but was never a four despite being stuck there for OKC. He can come back and slide into a more natural position at the 3. He'll be way less expensive after disappearing a bit in Orlando but still has some talent.

Resign Taj and convince him being the big off the bench in Kanter's role is the right move for him. Cut Christon and Cole and hope you get a solid point in FA and draft one at 21.

Russ-FA-Rookie
Oladipo-Abrines
Green-Grant
Ibaka-Sabonis
Adams-Gibson

Thoughts?

ChurchPugh

1.) 17 Jun 2017 06:24:49
Not bad but I don't think OKC has cap for this and where's McDermott?


 

 

08 Jun 2017 19:33:28
Whats the best return OKC can get for Russ?

ChurchPugh

1.) 08 Jun 2017 20:39:40
LAL- #2, Russell, and Ingram
BOS- #1, (Thomas to a 3rd team), Nets 2018, Yabusele.


 

 

03 Jun 2017 18:18:38
Let me see your best Russ Westbrook trade scenario.

Russ to Wolves?

Russ to Lakers?

Russ to Sixers?

Russ to Boston?

Russ to....?

ChurchPugh

1.) 03 Jun 2017 23:21:35
Maybe
2nd pick, Russell and Clarkson for Westbrook?


2.) 04 Jun 2017 11:27:22
Russ to OKC for more years.


 

 

02 Jun 2017 15:49:53
Whats the best OKC could do on a Westbrook return? He's a top 10 player and deserves more than what the Thunder can give him.

OKC could restock and bide their time developing young guys and wait until things open back up. So many other teams in win-now mode. Russ has that killer instinct and endless motor.

They could call teams like Boston, LA, Spurs, Sixers, etc. What could they get back? what's the best they could do?

Lets see in the comments.

ChurchPugh

1.) 02 Jun 2017 16:59:34
I think LA and Boston would be their best bet.

Boston would probably be something like 2 of the Brooklyn picks, and Brown and then whatever a third team would give up for Thomas (something like 3 solid picks or young players) .

The Lakers would give Igram, Russell, the 2, and then one of their lesser prospects and maybe a little more if they were willing to take on Mozgov or Deng.

I don't see many other teams with the young talent and picks and current roster/ ability to sign a free agent to team up with Russell to make the price worth it to make an offer attractive enough to pull Russell under the current circumstances. Obviously if he says he's walking things change.


2.) 02 Jun 2017 17:19:57
Church ---
All the teams you mentioned have assets, but at what cost?
Boston has draft picks into the next century, but is not going to give all of them up. And all that would do is drop OKC to Phoenix level for 3-4 and depress the fan base.
The Lakers would do something, but the cupboard would be bare when Westbrook gets there.
San Antonio plays team ball and would not abandon that to become The Westbrook Show.
Philly won't give up Simmons or Embiid, and anything else they have won't get the trade done.


 

 

 

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18 May 2019 14:06:46
Okc adds Dre and Bulls add Hutchinson and it’s a deal.

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20 Mar 2019 21:05:54
@jorgawood I don’t disagree with you, but it depends on which version of okc and Houston show up. Both teams have looked like either an unbeatable teams and a cripplingly top heavy teams. Depends on supporting casts and who is on fire at the time.

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07 Mar 2019 22:47:33
Russ leads the league in assists, but he’s selfish. hm.

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26 Jan 2019 18:55:49
Okc doesn’t need Conley. They need 3 point shooting, and versatility at the 3/ 4 positions.

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06 Jun 2018 14:17:08
This would be huge for Memphis. Love and Gasol would be nasty. Kemba would be an upgrade over Conley. Plus they shed Parsons? Worth it giving up the 4th pick.

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