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19 Feb 2019 21:53:28
This summer.

Phoenix gets Wall, Patterson, protected Washington 1st

Washington gets Roberson, Jackson

Oklahoma City gets Warren, Howard, 2 Washington 2nds

Phoenix can afford to wait for Wall. If it works out, they get a star who can redefine his career in Phoenix. If it doesn't, they get the pick and risk only a bit.

Washington could keep Roberson (dpoy candidate when healthy) reunited with his Brooks. Or they could buy out the final year of his deal and get out of TONS of salary in exchange for a first. Rebuild around Beal.

Oklahoma seems committed to the luxury tax and going for a championship (I'm one of the proud few who think they could do it this year). Flip Dre for Warren and Patterson for Dwight is splashy and risky. But they get back more offense and athleticism. Helps depth.

ChurchPugh

1.) 19 Feb 2019 22:40:37
Risk only a bit? He’s going to be on the wrong side of 3. Coming back from heel and Achilles surgery. And making 45+ million for multiple years.

Seems like a tad more than “a bit”.


2.) 19 Feb 2019 23:24:39
Booker will be a star before Wall gets back.


3.) 20 Feb 2019 00:28:08
Not a chance that trade goes down for an injured player.


4.) 20 Feb 2019 03:53:15
You might have wall on your team for 4 more years taking up a little less than half your cap. The Wizards would need to multiple unprotected picks to get off of Wall.


 

 

04 Feb 2019 02:26:17
Grizz get Andre Roberson
-Next Tony Allen?

Okc gets Joe Harris
-Great shooter/final piece?

Nets get Garrett Temple
-Expiring deal, preps for free agency?

ChurchPugh

1.) 04 Feb 2019 06:20:58
Better sprinkle in some draft picks Harris >> Roberson.


2.) 04 Feb 2019 12:41:32
Fredman- is Harris USA in 30 games?


 

 

28 Jan 2019 19:57:55
I read somewhere that OKC had like the 6th highest odds to sign Davis to an extension if traded there. Thunder traded for one guy destined to bolt once and kept him. Can lightning strike twice for the Thunder?

Okc gets Davis, Hill, Moore, Okobo

Suns get Schroder, Payton, Clark

Pels get Adams, Warren, Jackson, Abrines, Ferguson, future OKC first

Thunder form a terrifying big 3 and add a shooter in Moore.

Suns get a few point guards and move on from Warren and Jackson who are eating up minutes from Bridges.

Pelicans replace Davis with Adams who is no pushover and grab Warren who is a solid wing along with two good prospects. They also get a future first.

I know it's a long shot, but who can do better RIGHT NOW besides LA? And Lakers are going to be stingy about their young assets. It's what cost them George last time.

ChurchPugh

1.) 28 Jan 2019 20:27:12
Who can do better: Knicks, Blazers, Nuggets, Clippers off the top of my head. I'm sure more can too.

Also, the Suns get completely screwed in this deal.


2.) 28 Jan 2019 20:42:32
This deserves all the up votes just for “can lightning strike twice for the thunder? ”.


3.) 28 Jan 2019 20:43:50
BMiller66, Portland is out. Lillard is a Derrick Rose deal just like Irving.

Hard to answer your question. How many games do the Knicks win with Davis (and Porzingis? ) Playing on the Knicks? Not sure where the Knicks pick will be.


4.) 28 Jan 2019 21:36:23
Lillard just barely doesn’t qualify for the Rose Rule was not an all star starter twice, or all nba twice, or mvp before he signed the extension. Makes 5 year / 25% team salary. Rose rule is 30%.


5.) 28 Jan 2019 22:07:58
Pretty sure you can't TRADE for two Rose Rule contracts. You can sign one and trade for one. But you can't trade for two (from what I've read) .

Porzingis would be a Pelican. Either way, I'd take the Knicks pick, and their youth over a package centered around Adams and Warren.


6.) 28 Jan 2019 22:20:48
Mjwd24, irving making 30% or 25%?


7.) 28 Jan 2019 21:12:03
Kp won't play this year. And Ad hasn't been healthy. I say Knicks pick is top 3.


 

 

29 Dec 2018 16:01:32
Okc gets Olynyk, Ellington, Mcgruder

Miami gets Roberson, Patterson, Ferguson, second rounder

Okc gets the shooting they need.
Miami gets Ferguson who's shown potential and a defensive ace in roberson when he returns.

Thoughts?

ChurchPugh

1.) 29 Dec 2018 16:46:07
I just don’t see the point for Miami.


2.) 29 Dec 2018 16:55:44
I think Miami would rather keep Olynyk than get any one of the OKC players. And that 2nd rounder is garbage because it will probably be a bottom 5 pick.


 

 

28 Dec 2018 15:18:25
Boston gets: TJ Warren, Andre Roberson, Patrick Patterson, Terrance Ferguson

Phoenix gets: Dennis Schroder, Abdul Nader, Brad Wanamaker, Boston first (protected)

OKC gets: Gordon Hayward, Richaun Holmes, Semi Ojeleye, Ellie Okobo, Phoenix second

Boston must consider the cost of their young core. Warren, Patterson, Ferguson can be solid role players, they can buy out Dre, and they'll have a bit more cash left over to keep either brown or Rozier or mayyyyybe both. Hayward isn't working out in Boston anyways.

Phoenix needs a starting point guard. Not only has Schroder reinvented himself in okc, but he's shown he can play off the ball which would work great next to Booker. The first will most likely be the worst of Boston's treasure trove, but an extra asset for a rebuilding team like the suns helps.

Okc goes all in on this season. Hayward, Russ, George, Adams are great but also very expensive. This would be championship or bust.

ChurchPugh

1.) 28 Dec 2018 15:32:24
So let me get this straight. Boston trades Hayward and a 1st rounder for a group of players none of which crack Boston's starting rotation? That is sooooo not a Danny Ainge move.


2.) 28 Dec 2018 17:50:06
Way too many players that don't have an impact on games being moved around here. Extremely unlikely for a team to participate in something like this.


3.) 28 Dec 2018 18:22:17
Suns trade 2 of their top 7 guys and a pick for Schroder? Nope.


4.) 28 Dec 2018 18:27:07
Not much there for Boston. Celtics probably would be better off keeping Hayward and seeing if he can return to at least 90 percent of what he once was. Boston also hoarding No. 1s for inevitable run at Davis. If Pels panic and move Davis to Lakers, everything is then back on the table for Boston.


5.) 28 Dec 2018 18:29:35
Homer okc trade.


6.) 28 Dec 2018 19:29:30
This is not a trade Boston would be seeking. If They can find a deal to trade GH and take on an overpaid expiring contract then I can see that happening. Hayward has been showing signs of being more comfortable and looks to be moving much better, maybe they can also get a 2nd rd. pick to go along with the expiring contract.


But Boston does need to make a trade, I think we all can agree on that. I still think Oubre would be a great trade pickup. (Rozier)


NBA sent out warnings about tampering. James and Magic are hoping that Slim Jim Silver is giving James just a warning. James should be fined imo, we all know that he is using his "face of the NBA" as leverage, by saying he can say and do as he wants. Time to show him he can't be the Coach, President and Commissioner of Basketball. He doesn't play by the rules as he says he does.


7.) 28 Dec 2018 19:49:53
The NBA is a company and can't legally leverage fines/ discipline without violating its own rules; which basically force the players to address the media after games. LBJ, while all of the things you say he is ( he is those things and more) was just doing what he is forced to do under threat of fine by the NBA. So now, your going to swing from the left and punish him for being cooperative with the media that you are forcing him to talk to and be cordial with, while being non-commital? I think a good case could be made to say he fulfilled those obligations of his contract when answering that question about Davis. I agree there is a stinky sock in the room but the remedy will require far more imagination on the part of the NBA. They created the monster and now have to put a leash on it without violating the NBPACBA, which by chance happens to also be headed by a LBJ flag waiver CP3.


8.) 28 Dec 2018 20:33:53
As a Pelicans fan I like this trade for the Celtics because I believe they could package Warren and Brown and picks in a trade for Davis and getting Warren at $11 mill per season is more appealing than Hayward at $34 mill.


9.) 28 Dec 2018 21:56:09
A lot of moving pieces there but the idea moving Hayward has merit and I think you are going to have to add picks or a player to move him with that contract .


10.) 29 Dec 2018 12:39:28
Don't accept Hayward as part of the deal then Hornet21.


11.) 01 Jan 2019 01:16:53
I don't think any team involved should do it. To many pieces involved and if i'm the thunder i don't go all in for a championship by getting Hayward he isn't that kind of player right now and is making way to much money for what he is right now.


 

 

 

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03 Nov 2018 20:46:31
Is there a way that okc adds griffin to their core of Russ, PG, and Adams by sending Schroder to a pg needy team like the suns and picks to the Pistons?

ChurchPugh

1.) 03 Nov 2018 21:08:22
With the casey hiring and the seeming interest in making the playoffs in DET, I'd have to say you couldn't get Griffin without talent and picks.


2.) 03 Nov 2018 21:17:23
Not the way griffin is playing. He’s been great. They’d want some real assets, not just a late first or two with a bad contract.


3.) 04 Nov 2018 14:30:45
I’m not sure Griffin is a good fit next to Westbrook. He likes the ball in his hands, he’s not much of a shooter, and he clogs the lane up. A potential starting line up that has Westbrook, Roberson, Griffin, and Adams is an offensive disaster in today’s NBA.


4.) 04 Nov 2018 17:34:46
Griffin shoots from all over the court and at a decent clip for a big man. Not sure why you say he only shoots from in the paint. He shot over 300 threes last year and currently shooting like 45% from deep. He doesn’t need the ball in his hands. He’s one of the best passing bigs in the league.

What are you basing that evaluation on?


5.) 05 Nov 2018 02:37:06
I suppose he’s a little better shooter than I was thinking, but he’s a career 33 percent shooter. It’s solid if you have other shooters, but he can’t be the 2nd best shooter in your starting lineup. Also, for him to make those passes he needs the ball. Having the ball in your hands doesn’t just mean that you are shooting. His usage rate is currently right between Lebron and Curry’s. Last year he was right inbetween DerozN and Wall. He’s at his best when the iffense runs through him and he can create for himself and others. Taking the ball out of his hands diminishes how effective he can be. He isn’t a spot up shooter. Plus, if you put him in the pick and role with Russ for large chunks of the game everyone, but the guy guarding George can basically collapse on them because Roberson and Adams can’t shoot. So in the starting lineup you’re basically going to use him as a spot up shooter? He’s also a below average defender. Why trade multiple picks/ players to pay a guy 35 Million that doesn’t fit in with your already expensive and thin team?


6.) 05 Nov 2018 18:12:34
Right. Point being, he actually has the ability to spread the offense, not condense it. That 33% is misleading, as it was when he was taking 1 or 2 3s a game. its likely more around 36ish, which is league average and great for a big man.

As to the usage rate, that really isn't a good statistic to look at in a vacuum. The team has no real pg. He scores a lot and passes very well. he's going to have the ball often. That statistic merely shows he is heavily involved. AKA, passing a lot and scoring efficiently.


7.) 05 Nov 2018 19:47:29
He was 31st last year among qualifying pfs in 3 point shooting percentage. He’s not putting great in anyone from 3 point range. He’s not worth the money or assets for the Thunder unless the rest of the roster is heavily overhauled.


8.) 05 Nov 2018 23:11:06
No one said he was elite at 3. You specifically said he has no range. Which you then admitted was incorrect to say. A pf that is averaging 25/ 11/ 5. You don’t think that’s of value?

The premise was they keep the core. So what, he isn’t a major major upgrade over grant?

Just stop it. Griffin is a top 30 player in the league and one could contend so far top 15. That team would be solid. Simply need to add a shooter or two, which there always available ones.


9.) 06 Nov 2018 16:54:14
I just don’t see Griffin as the missing link to make OKC a legitimate top 3 or 4 team in the league or make them a threat to upset the Warriors. If you’re going to give up the last few assets you have and lock in those kind of luxury payments that’s what he needs to be. He doesn’t complement the rest of the roster and he would be hard to maximize. I’m not arguing that adding Blake Griffin would make their team worse. If they could add him without giving players up for the minimum then sure great addition, but to get rid of a couple rotation players and more future picks doesn’t make sense. Using those some of those assets and money to go get guys like Ariza, Bazemore, and/ or Korver would make more sense, be cheaper, and imo make a bigger impact.


 

 

16 Jun 2017 02:17:35
OKC needs a shot blocker, stretch 4, versatility, size on the wing, etc...

If they get lucky, they find a team to take Kanter without getting much else back. Stretch Singler. Renounce Roberson.

Two guys who make a lot of sense on the current roster (don't laugh): Serge Ibaka and Jeff Green.

Sure, Ibaka wanted out and wanted a bigger role. Well. He can have it now, AND go back to the team that drafted/developed him.

Next you have Green. He showed promise for the Thunder but was never a four despite being stuck there for OKC. He can come back and slide into a more natural position at the 3. He'll be way less expensive after disappearing a bit in Orlando but still has some talent.

Resign Taj and convince him being the big off the bench in Kanter's role is the right move for him. Cut Christon and Cole and hope you get a solid point in FA and draft one at 21.

Russ-FA-Rookie
Oladipo-Abrines
Green-Grant
Ibaka-Sabonis
Adams-Gibson

Thoughts?

ChurchPugh

1.) 17 Jun 2017 06:24:49
Not bad but I don't think OKC has cap for this and where's McDermott?


 

 

08 Jun 2017 19:33:28
Whats the best return OKC can get for Russ?

ChurchPugh

1.) 08 Jun 2017 20:39:40
LAL- #2, Russell, and Ingram
BOS- #1, (Thomas to a 3rd team), Nets 2018, Yabusele.


 

 

03 Jun 2017 18:18:38
Let me see your best Russ Westbrook trade scenario.

Russ to Wolves?

Russ to Lakers?

Russ to Sixers?

Russ to Boston?

Russ to....?

ChurchPugh

1.) 03 Jun 2017 23:21:35
Maybe
2nd pick, Russell and Clarkson for Westbrook?


2.) 04 Jun 2017 11:27:22
Russ to OKC for more years.


 

 

02 Jun 2017 15:49:53
Whats the best OKC could do on a Westbrook return? He's a top 10 player and deserves more than what the Thunder can give him.

OKC could restock and bide their time developing young guys and wait until things open back up. So many other teams in win-now mode. Russ has that killer instinct and endless motor.

They could call teams like Boston, LA, Spurs, Sixers, etc. What could they get back? what's the best they could do?

Lets see in the comments.

ChurchPugh

1.) 02 Jun 2017 16:59:34
I think LA and Boston would be their best bet.

Boston would probably be something like 2 of the Brooklyn picks, and Brown and then whatever a third team would give up for Thomas (something like 3 solid picks or young players) .

The Lakers would give Igram, Russell, the 2, and then one of their lesser prospects and maybe a little more if they were willing to take on Mozgov or Deng.

I don't see many other teams with the young talent and picks and current roster/ ability to sign a free agent to team up with Russell to make the price worth it to make an offer attractive enough to pull Russell under the current circumstances. Obviously if he says he's walking things change.


2.) 02 Jun 2017 17:19:57
Church ---
All the teams you mentioned have assets, but at what cost?
Boston has draft picks into the next century, but is not going to give all of them up. And all that would do is drop OKC to Phoenix level for 3-4 and depress the fan base.
The Lakers would do something, but the cupboard would be bare when Westbrook gets there.
San Antonio plays team ball and would not abandon that to become The Westbrook Show.
Philly won't give up Simmons or Embiid, and anything else they have won't get the trade done.


 

 

 

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26 Jan 2019 18:55:49
Okc doesn’t need Conley. They need 3 point shooting, and versatility at the 3/ 4 positions.

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06 Jun 2018 14:17:08
This would be huge for Memphis. Love and Gasol would be nasty. Kemba would be an upgrade over Conley. Plus they shed Parsons? Worth it giving up the 4th pick.

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27 Oct 2017 16:22:14
Would rather have Jokic over Cousind tbh.

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28 Sep 2017 04:06:45
That's not even the chandler they need. Try putting together a respectable and doable Tyson chandler deal. He'd be a fantastic backup 5.

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03 Aug 2017 14:16:28
Appreciate the shoutout! Just can't see us moving Adams unless it's a younger, more locked in star. He's very valuable.

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