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21 Jul 2017 22:14:17
Before I get lost in the sea of Kyrie Irving trade scenarios...

The most simple idea would basically be Kyrie for Melo and Porzingis. It doesn't work salary wise though.

So. We either need more players and/or more teams. Let the scenarios commence!

ChurchPugh

1.) 21 Jul 2017 23:03:02
Yeah, I think if NY wanted Kyrie, it's the only thing that makes sense. Though it would probably be Irving and love for Melo and porzingis (with other contracts thrown in to balance it out) .


2.) 21 Jul 2017 23:11:07
Porzingis is more valuable than Irving straight up.


3.) 22 Jul 2017 00:55:48
Ya I think realistically Porzingis would have to be involved in a Kyrie trade since I don't think Ntilikina and their 2018 1st is enough. If Cavs were willing to take Melo back I'd assume they wouldn't be having a fire sale with their remaining players and would try to compete for a year and convince lebron to resign. If this was the case they'd need to acquire a starting caliber point guard (I guess Rose is an option but not too attractive of one) so I think a 3rd team would need to be involved.


 

 

21 Jul 2017 14:58:06
This is convoluted, but I combined 2 ideas I had...

OKC gets:
Tyson Chandler, Kenneth Faried, Wilson Chandler

Suns get:
Chandler Parsons, Conditional Grizz pick

Denver gets:
Eric Bledsoe, Kyle Singler, Doug McDermott, OKC future first

Memphis gets:
Enes Kanter, Alex Abrines

OKC reasoning:
Go all in. They have to. This gives them big upgrades on the bench and gives more reason for Russ and PG to consider staying.

Suns reasoning:
Are Chandler or Bledsoe part of their future plans? Doubtful. When healthy is Parsons an elite scorer? Close. Suns have the best shot at reviving Parsons, and he'd bring a nice scoring compliment to Booker moving forward.

Nuggets reasoning:
Pairing Bledsoe with Milsap, Jokic, Murray, Harris, etc. is a nice idea. He can start or play as a super sub. An OKC pick could be huge if their two stars bolt, but the bigger get is McDermott who could be a huge floor spacer for them.

Grizz Reasoning:
Pretty simple. Gasol is the only TRUE center on the roster. Plus, they get one of Gasol's national teammates to help space the floor. Grit and Grind can help cover the shortcomings both additions have on defense. Plus they offload Parsons.

ChurchPugh

1.) 21 Jul 2017 15:29:25
The Suns get get the shaft in this. It heavily favors the Thunder. Solid for Denver and probably a pass for Memphis.


2.) 21 Jul 2017 15:54:05
So phoenix trades the best player, just for the hope of getting to revive Parsons? Not happening.


3.) 21 Jul 2017 15:57:21
This is hysterical regarding the suns. Are chandler and bledose part of the future? No. well, chandler isnt, but not sure why you just KNOW that bledsoe isnt.21/ 6/ 5 seems like something to build around.

But ok, that's fine. Give up the 2 years of both of them. and you get 4 years of Parsons. FOUR FREAKIN YEARS!

But go on from that. when healthy, is parsons an elite scorer? Close. really?

Best year comparison:
Player a - 16pts per game, 47% fg, 37% 3fg
Player b - 21pts per game, 43% fg, 34% 3fg

FYI. Player a is parson, b is bledose. Elite? Riiiight. Parsons played decently DECENTLY in his contract year and got way too much from the mavs as a result. He doesn't play more than 75% of the year, at best, and at that point is an average starter, clearly no where near elite scorer.

Jesus, idk why, but that was just aggrivating. Parsons. and elite scorer. absurd.


 

 

12 Jul 2017 01:36:14
If Cleveland wants to get Anthony before Houston does, why not call Orlando? Could be missing link to get the deal done.

Cleveland gets Anthony, Vucevic, 2nd rounder (ORL)

Orlando gets Kevin Love, Lance Thomas

Knicks get Terrance Ross, Iman Shumpert, Channing Frye, DJ Augustin, future first (ORL)

Cleveland gets their man and keep him from Houston. They also get Vucevic and a pick to help sweeten the deal for them. Losing Love is tough, but adding these pieces could be the splash they need moving forward.

Orlando adds a star. Huge get for them too as it fills some big needs on the roster. Thomas is also a fantastic glue guy. With a diluted East this year, this could be a big playoff move.

Hear me out for New York's reasonings here. Shumpert and Frye were both originally Knicks, but that is not why they do this. This is now Porzingis's team. Give him shooting. They also drafted an intriguing point. Give him a solid backup in DJ. They just signed THJ to a massive deal. Grab a guy in Frye who is a $7M expiring contract. They also add a pick which is gravy as they hold almost zero leverage in any Melo deal. With this deal could they maybe still make a playoff run? Perhaps. Anything is possible in the East this year.

ChurchPugh

1.) 12 Jul 2017 01:59:00
If the Cavs could get an offer like that for Love it would have to be considered. I'm not sure it's a slam dunk for them since it doesn't really address any of their problems, but they get back more talent than they give.

For the Knicks, I think it would be a no brainer.

I don't like it for Orlando though. It's possible they could look at the East and decide that the move could put them in the playoffs, but the team really wouldn't have much upside. They would have to ride Love and there wouldn't be much of a shot to put another allstar level player around him in the near future and unless Fournier, Peyton, or Gordon can make a big jump at some point the team at a first round exit.


2.) 12 Jul 2017 03:24:53
I've stated my opinion on this many times but I don't think swapping Melo for Love makes Cavs any better. What Cavs need is defense and I don't think dealing one of their better perimeter defenders in Shumpert makes them a better team. Vucevic is a nice player but isn't really what they need from their backup center position which is the role he'd likely be stuck in for them.

Don't think Orlando is a great landing spot for Love but they are getting him for pretty cheap.

Any trade where Knicks don't take back any outrageous contracts and are able to add pieces that could contribute for them (Ross, Shumpert and Augustin would be part of rotation) and/ or draft picks would be a huge win for them since they don't have many other options.


 

 

07 Jul 2017 16:14:44
Any legitimate ideas on how to move Enes Kanter and/or Kyle Singler with the end goal of rounding out the bench for the Thunder?

Kanter got an offer sheet from Portland but that was several years ago and they may not make any sense anymore.

Maybe Singler back to Detroit where he had a decent start?

Maybe Kanter to Orlando?

Anything?

ChurchPugh

1.) 07 Jul 2017 16:39:20
If you add a 1st to Kanter or 2 2nds to Singler, they probably aren't hard to move. Also, if they're willing to take on a longer contract of similar money for a player that can help them more they could move them fairly easily. I think waiting until next year and using them as expiring contracts might be their best bet.


2.) 07 Jul 2017 16:41:01
What about Singler, Kanter, and a future first for Wade. He could be a solid 6 man for them and he's expiring.


 

 

05 Jul 2017 14:22:53
Grizz need depth at the 4 and haven't re-signed Green yet... Maybe a reunion with Gay could be great for all parties? Gay could get more than OKC offered, he could return to Memphis where he started and was loved, and he could be on a good team that needs his offense.

OKC could be a great suitor for Celtics players needing to be moved to make room for Hayward. OKC gets Smart, Boston gets 2nd rounder.

OKC could then look to round out the roster by finding suitors for Kanter and Singler in exchange for role players. I see Kanter fitting in Dallas spelling Dirk and playing next to Noel. I also see Kanter fitting in Charlotte next to Howard.

OKC gets Smart
Boston gets 2nd rounder (+room to sign Hayward)

then

OKC gets Wesley Matthews, Dwight Powell
Mavs get Enes Kanter, Kyle Singler
***OKC gets a guy who could fit well with Russ, George in Matthews and a reserve big. Mavs get a guy who fits with Noel and can spell Dirk. Singler could use a change of scenery but showed promise in Detroit.

or

OKC gets Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Cody Zeller
CHA gets Enes Kanter, Singler
***Thunder get more defense on the wings to try and matchup better with GS, plus get a good 2-way big on a better contract. Hornets have several solid bigs, but they all have similar skill-sets. Kanter offers something different. He fits well with Howard and would also fit well with Lamb. Singler could be depth or be flipped.

Thoughts?

ChurchPugh

1.) 05 Jul 2017 14:37:47
Smart may have not developed into the impact player that the Celtics hoped he would be, but he's the 6th man on a 53-win team and he starts when Thomas is injured. To think that Boston would take a late second-rounder for him is beyond laughable.


2.) 05 Jul 2017 15:03:27
By saying smart for a 2nd, your saying that no one would give the celtics more then that, which isn't true.


3.) 05 Jul 2017 15:27:47
Supercollider and SimmonsOrBust:

I'm assuming you completely missed the of OKC grabbing George for Oladipo and Sabonis and no picks.

And you obviously missed numerous reports saying Gordon Hayward was signing with Boston. despite them not yet having sufficient room yet.

Point being: OKC is savvy in trades. AND OKC is one of the few teams with an exception equivalent to relieving the cap room necessary to bringing in Hayward. Boston still has Rozier to play behind IT. This deal makes sense.


4.) 05 Jul 2017 16:07:37
Church -- Just because Boston has an adequate backup for Thomas doesn't mean the Celtics are going to basically give away Smart. I would move Smart for Sabonis, though.


5.) 05 Jul 2017 16:10:17
Meant to add if OKC still had Sabonis. Stored too soon.


6.) 05 Jul 2017 17:23:09
Not add sure why Boston would trade Smart, the 6th overall pick 2 years ago, for a second round pick. That's equivalent to nothing. Sorry, won't happen, whether they need the cap room or not. If you think OKC is savvy in trades. let me introduce you to Trader Danny. Lol.


7.) 05 Jul 2017 17:35:05
No none of that was missed church.

Neither was okc giving away harden.


8.) 05 Jul 2017 18:33:44
Here's the problem church: if Boston wanted to get under the cap without any return, they can waive Mickey and Jackson. They don't need to move one of their main rotation players if they don't get a decent return.


9.) 05 Jul 2017 18:02:21
Sick of hearing about losing Harden.

We offered him the deal he wanted. He didn't accept because of his role. We in turn hit the phones. Called GSW first. They wouldn't give up Thompson. We called Wiz second. They wouldn't give up Beal. We called Houston third. We landed Martin (stop gap), Lamb (bust), and the pick that turned into Steven Adams. None are equivalent to Harden. Sure. But all that crap about not paying Harden is incorrect.


10.) 05 Jul 2017 20:56:11
Bmiller66, they have to waive Mickey and Jackson, because thst does not get them the cap space to sign Hayward. They do néed to trade one of Crowder, Smart or Rozier. It's being reported that they are shopping Smart. Trader Danny won't take a bad deal.


11.) 06 Jul 2017 02:21:57
smart is good (maybe also find 3rd team in smart deal to take abrines) but i think okc should keep kanter.


 

 

 

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16 Jun 2017 02:17:35
OKC needs a shot blocker, stretch 4, versatility, size on the wing, etc...

If they get lucky, they find a team to take Kanter without getting much else back. Stretch Singler. Renounce Roberson.

Two guys who make a lot of sense on the current roster (don't laugh): Serge Ibaka and Jeff Green.

Sure, Ibaka wanted out and wanted a bigger role. Well. He can have it now, AND go back to the team that drafted/developed him.

Next you have Green. He showed promise for the Thunder but was never a four despite being stuck there for OKC. He can come back and slide into a more natural position at the 3. He'll be way less expensive after disappearing a bit in Orlando but still has some talent.

Resign Taj and convince him being the big off the bench in Kanter's role is the right move for him. Cut Christon and Cole and hope you get a solid point in FA and draft one at 21.

Russ-FA-Rookie
Oladipo-Abrines
Green-Grant
Ibaka-Sabonis
Adams-Gibson

Thoughts?

ChurchPugh

1.) 17 Jun 2017 06:24:49
Not bad but I don't think OKC has cap for this and where's McDermott?


 

 

08 Jun 2017 19:33:28
Whats the best return OKC can get for Russ?

ChurchPugh

1.) 08 Jun 2017 20:39:40
LAL- #2, Russell, and Ingram
BOS- #1, (Thomas to a 3rd team), Nets 2018, Yabusele.


 

 

03 Jun 2017 18:18:38
Let me see your best Russ Westbrook trade scenario.

Russ to Wolves?

Russ to Lakers?

Russ to Sixers?

Russ to Boston?

Russ to....?

ChurchPugh

1.) 03 Jun 2017 23:21:35
Maybe
2nd pick, Russell and Clarkson for Westbrook?


2.) 04 Jun 2017 11:27:22
Russ to OKC for more years.


 

 

02 Jun 2017 15:49:53
Whats the best OKC could do on a Westbrook return? He's a top 10 player and deserves more than what the Thunder can give him.

OKC could restock and bide their time developing young guys and wait until things open back up. So many other teams in win-now mode. Russ has that killer instinct and endless motor.

They could call teams like Boston, LA, Spurs, Sixers, etc. What could they get back? what's the best they could do?

Lets see in the comments.

ChurchPugh

1.) 02 Jun 2017 16:59:34
I think LA and Boston would be their best bet.

Boston would probably be something like 2 of the Brooklyn picks, and Brown and then whatever a third team would give up for Thomas (something like 3 solid picks or young players) .

The Lakers would give Igram, Russell, the 2, and then one of their lesser prospects and maybe a little more if they were willing to take on Mozgov or Deng.

I don't see many other teams with the young talent and picks and current roster/ ability to sign a free agent to team up with Russell to make the price worth it to make an offer attractive enough to pull Russell under the current circumstances. Obviously if he says he's walking things change.


2.) 02 Jun 2017 17:19:57
Church ---
All the teams you mentioned have assets, but at what cost?
Boston has draft picks into the next century, but is not going to give all of them up. And all that would do is drop OKC to Phoenix level for 3-4 and depress the fan base.
The Lakers would do something, but the cupboard would be bare when Westbrook gets there.
San Antonio plays team ball and would not abandon that to become The Westbrook Show.
Philly won't give up Simmons or Embiid, and anything else they have won't get the trade done.


 

 

27 May 2017 16:20:47
If this Kanter accusation gets serious, do the Thunder look to wipe his salary from the books (either getting an exemption from the league or waiving him)?

ChurchPugh

1.) 28 May 2017 04:50:00
Hahahah a be quiet. A ridiculous dictator made a bs accusation. Just stop.


 

 

 

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05 Jul 2017 18:02:21
Sick of hearing about losing Harden.

We offered him the deal he wanted. He didn't accept because of his role. We in turn hit the phones. Called GSW first. They wouldn't give up Thompson. We called Wiz second. They wouldn't give up Beal. We called Houston third. We landed Martin (stop gap), Lamb (bust), and the pick that turned into Steven Adams. None are equivalent to Harden. Sure. But all that crap about not paying Harden is incorrect.

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05 Jul 2017 15:27:47
Supercollider and SimmonsOrBust:

I'm assuming you completely missed the of OKC grabbing George for Oladipo and Sabonis and no picks.

And you obviously missed numerous reports saying Gordon Hayward was signing with Boston. despite them not yet having sufficient room yet.

Point being: OKC is savvy in trades. AND OKC is one of the few teams with an exception equivalent to relieving the cap room necessary to bringing in Hayward. Boston still has Rozier to play behind IT. This deal makes sense.

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29 Jun 2017 13:51:00
Thunder want no part of Beverly.

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28 Jun 2017 14:58:37
As a Thunder fan, don't ever wish losing your superstar for nothing. Just don't.

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28 Jun 2017 13:41:53
Love it for Thunder. Would be a perfect fit in my opinion. They dump Kanter, acquire Love whose a former teammate with Russ at UCLA, pick up some bench scoring, plus I see this as a great fit for Adams. He gets more space down low and can cover a bit of Love's defensive shortcomings. OKC has plenty of young talent and can part with picks moving forward. Great deal. I agree George would be splashier but love Love for OKC!

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