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07 Sep 2017 01:57:50
OKC gets:
Marc Gasol
Stanley Johnson
James Ennis

Memphis gets:
Andre Drummond
Doug McDermott
OKC 1st
DET 1st
CHI 2nd via OKC

Detroit gets:
Steven Adams
Kyle Singler
OKC 2nd

OKC goes all in hoping to convince Russ and George to stay long term.

Memphis moves on from Gasol and get a younger premier center, a shooter, and picks.

Detroit gets a stud defensive big in Adams who fits the mold of the old bad boy Pistons.

ChurchPugh

1.) 07 Sep 2017 04:54:29
Detroit gets completely screwed. Even if they don't include Johnson and their first, it's still bad for them.


2.) 07 Sep 2017 13:15:59
The Grizzlies said yesterday that Gasol is untouchable in any deal that doesn't blow their socks off. This deal doesn't blow their socks off.


3.) 07 Sep 2017 14:48:05
I'm actually not sure why OKC would do this. I love Gasol and everything, and he's the best of the three centers involved with this trade, but is he that much of an upgrade over Adams that you'd want to give up multiple picks? With an offense that already includes George and Westbrook, there's only so much ball to go around. What you need in that case are high upside role players, which is what Adams is. He rebounds and blocks at right around the same rate as Gasol does, and he's 8 years younger and on pretty much the same contract.


4.) 07 Sep 2017 15:55:47
Blocks and defense aren't the same. Gasol is an elite defender, Adams isn't. Gasol is also one of the best passing bigs I've ever seen, and a great scorer. And yes, you need more scorers, always.

Gasol is a top 5 center in the NBA. Adams maybe is top 20. Yes, Gasol is considerably better than Adams.

I feel like a comparative question is "Is Paul George really that much better than Trevor Ariza? " The answer is clearly yes.


 

 

10 Aug 2017 14:06:42
A few Nuggets moves just for fun.

First.

Denver gets Klay Thompson, Looney, McCaw
GSW get Wilson Chandler, Murray, Harris, 1st rounder
***GSW can't keep everyone together forever and Klay seems to be the star that would be the odd man out. This is a great return for them.

Next.

Denver gets Jordan Clarkson
Lakers get Jameer Nelson, Will Barton
***Lakers want cap room for next summer. If they strike out on the big names, Barton at lest still has potential.

Then.

Denver gets Kyle Singler, 2nd rounder (CHI)
Thunder get Trey Lyles
***Thunder could use another big and Denver could use the asset.

With these moves, Denver puts together a really nice team to compete in the West.

Clarkson, Mudiay, Morris
Thompson, Beasley, McCaw
Looney, Singler
Milsap, Faried, Arthur
Jokic, Plumlee

Thoughts?

ChurchPugh

1.) 10 Aug 2017 14:27:07
Clarkson isn't a starting pg (he's better at the two or a combo guard off the bench) and I don't see the Nuggets being willing to give up both Harris and Murray in any deal. One of the two would be best case scenario.


 

 

02 Aug 2017 20:29:00
With Melo no longer wanting to go to Cleveland, and Houston taking so long to put things together, I think it's time OKC makes good on that rumor

OKC gets Melo, O'Quinn

Knicks get Kanter, Abrines, Stanley Johnson, OKC 2nd

Pistons get Singler, CHI 2nd via OKC

For OKC, this makes them much more potent on offense. They can stagger Russ, George, and Melo as needed to make sure they all get touches. All-in on a potential final season for Russ in OKC.

Knicks pick up Kanter's contract but get Abrines and Johnson who have yet to fully realize their potential. Both could be good pieces moving forward.

Pistons cut ties with Johnson and bring back Singler who played well for them at the start of his career and get a pick.

ChurchPugh

1.) 02 Aug 2017 20:49:17
like it.


2.) 02 Aug 2017 21:13:08
Detriot would not swap singler for Johnson bc of a 2nd. If you want okc to get Melo on that return Noah needs to be added. if they don't want Anderson why would they want Kanter or else Adams str8 up for him. If u think trade is unfair, check that trade on trade machine to see who it Favors. Yeah not even close.


3.) 02 Aug 2017 22:07:26
they would kanter over anderson because anderson is old with zero potential kanter is a skilled big that can be an all star in the east.


4.) 02 Aug 2017 22:29:10
I think Thunder would have to include just a 1st to get rid of Kanter's contract. I also don't understand why Pistons would give up Stanley Johnson for that trash.


5.) 03 Aug 2017 03:34:26
Knicks have literally zero interest in kanter. Rather keep melo for a year and have him drop off the books then having a 3rd string center that plays no defense yet makes 20 million. Passssss.


 

 

31 Jul 2017 14:35:04
Kyrie to the Suns makes too much sense to not happen. Is there anyway that the Thunder could help facilitate a deal where they send Kanter to the Suns with Kyrie and get back Tyson Chandler? I think he'd fit really well in OKC.

So something like:

OKC gets Chandler

PHX gets Kyrie, Kanter

CLE gets Bledsoe, young players, OKC pick, PHX pick


Possible?

ChurchPugh

1.) 31 Jul 2017 19:40:50
okc says nooooooooooooooo.


2.) 31 Jul 2017 20:17:49
I just don't see OKC really needing to be in the trade. Phoenix has spare picks and the Cavs might be interested in Chandler. There's no reason for the Suns to take on Kanter for what would be a fairly low pick for the Cavs. The Suns would probably be aggressive next year in free agency if they land Irving. Adding Kanter wouldn't help with that. The Cavs have some expiring contracts they could send to Phoenix if they are looking to ship out Dudley and Chandler who are both still solid rotation players.


3.) 31 Jul 2017 23:44:20
Thunder should be trying their best to get rid of Kanters contract and If possible add some talent that could help them while they are at it. Don't think it would be a bad move although trade could easily be done without them so not sure how keen Cavs and Suns are to add another wrinkle (Cavs could want chandler themselves)


 

 

28 Jul 2017 20:00:12
Ok, so its convoluted, but...

Rockets get Melo, Lamb, Singler
***Get Melo. Replace Gordon with Lamb. Taking on Singler worth it to get their guy.

Knicks get Kanter, MKG, Ariza, Abrines
***Melo's gone, but they also dump Noah. Abrines has good potential and can grow with Porzinges. MKG has great D, and Ariza is expiring.

Thunder get Noah, Gordon
***Take on Noah hoping that a reunion with Donovan helps him return to form. The big get here is Gordon who provides shooting to a team who desperately needs it.

Hornets get Anderson
***Anderson may be the best possible fit next to Howard and they're former teammates. Maybe they can make it work. He'd be an upgrade at the 4.

ChurchPugh

1.) 28 Jul 2017 20:31:41
decent but okc keeps abrines.


 

 

 

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16 Jun 2017 02:17:35
OKC needs a shot blocker, stretch 4, versatility, size on the wing, etc...

If they get lucky, they find a team to take Kanter without getting much else back. Stretch Singler. Renounce Roberson.

Two guys who make a lot of sense on the current roster (don't laugh): Serge Ibaka and Jeff Green.

Sure, Ibaka wanted out and wanted a bigger role. Well. He can have it now, AND go back to the team that drafted/developed him.

Next you have Green. He showed promise for the Thunder but was never a four despite being stuck there for OKC. He can come back and slide into a more natural position at the 3. He'll be way less expensive after disappearing a bit in Orlando but still has some talent.

Resign Taj and convince him being the big off the bench in Kanter's role is the right move for him. Cut Christon and Cole and hope you get a solid point in FA and draft one at 21.

Russ-FA-Rookie
Oladipo-Abrines
Green-Grant
Ibaka-Sabonis
Adams-Gibson

Thoughts?

ChurchPugh

1.) 17 Jun 2017 06:24:49
Not bad but I don't think OKC has cap for this and where's McDermott?


 

 

08 Jun 2017 19:33:28
Whats the best return OKC can get for Russ?

ChurchPugh

1.) 08 Jun 2017 20:39:40
LAL- #2, Russell, and Ingram
BOS- #1, (Thomas to a 3rd team), Nets 2018, Yabusele.


 

 

03 Jun 2017 18:18:38
Let me see your best Russ Westbrook trade scenario.

Russ to Wolves?

Russ to Lakers?

Russ to Sixers?

Russ to Boston?

Russ to....?

ChurchPugh

1.) 03 Jun 2017 23:21:35
Maybe
2nd pick, Russell and Clarkson for Westbrook?


2.) 04 Jun 2017 11:27:22
Russ to OKC for more years.


 

 

02 Jun 2017 15:49:53
Whats the best OKC could do on a Westbrook return? He's a top 10 player and deserves more than what the Thunder can give him.

OKC could restock and bide their time developing young guys and wait until things open back up. So many other teams in win-now mode. Russ has that killer instinct and endless motor.

They could call teams like Boston, LA, Spurs, Sixers, etc. What could they get back? what's the best they could do?

Lets see in the comments.

ChurchPugh

1.) 02 Jun 2017 16:59:34
I think LA and Boston would be their best bet.

Boston would probably be something like 2 of the Brooklyn picks, and Brown and then whatever a third team would give up for Thomas (something like 3 solid picks or young players) .

The Lakers would give Igram, Russell, the 2, and then one of their lesser prospects and maybe a little more if they were willing to take on Mozgov or Deng.

I don't see many other teams with the young talent and picks and current roster/ ability to sign a free agent to team up with Russell to make the price worth it to make an offer attractive enough to pull Russell under the current circumstances. Obviously if he says he's walking things change.


2.) 02 Jun 2017 17:19:57
Church ---
All the teams you mentioned have assets, but at what cost?
Boston has draft picks into the next century, but is not going to give all of them up. And all that would do is drop OKC to Phoenix level for 3-4 and depress the fan base.
The Lakers would do something, but the cupboard would be bare when Westbrook gets there.
San Antonio plays team ball and would not abandon that to become The Westbrook Show.
Philly won't give up Simmons or Embiid, and anything else they have won't get the trade done.


 

 

27 May 2017 16:20:47
If this Kanter accusation gets serious, do the Thunder look to wipe his salary from the books (either getting an exemption from the league or waiving him)?

ChurchPugh

1.) 28 May 2017 04:50:00
Hahahah a be quiet. A ridiculous dictator made a bs accusation. Just stop.


 

 

 

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03 Aug 2017 14:16:28
Appreciate the shoutout! Just can't see us moving Adams unless it's a younger, more locked in star. He's very valuable.

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05 Jul 2017 18:02:21
Sick of hearing about losing Harden.

We offered him the deal he wanted. He didn't accept because of his role. We in turn hit the phones. Called GSW first. They wouldn't give up Thompson. We called Wiz second. They wouldn't give up Beal. We called Houston third. We landed Martin (stop gap), Lamb (bust), and the pick that turned into Steven Adams. None are equivalent to Harden. Sure. But all that crap about not paying Harden is incorrect.

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05 Jul 2017 15:27:47
Supercollider and SimmonsOrBust:

I'm assuming you completely missed the of OKC grabbing George for Oladipo and Sabonis and no picks.

And you obviously missed numerous reports saying Gordon Hayward was signing with Boston. despite them not yet having sufficient room yet.

Point being: OKC is savvy in trades. AND OKC is one of the few teams with an exception equivalent to relieving the cap room necessary to bringing in Hayward. Boston still has Rozier to play behind IT. This deal makes sense.

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29 Jun 2017 13:51:00
Thunder want no part of Beverly.

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28 Jun 2017 14:58:37
As a Thunder fan, don't ever wish losing your superstar for nothing. Just don't.

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