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22 Nov 2017 18:35:07
OKC gets Jahlil Okafor

Det gets Kyle Singler, two 2nd's (Philly)

Philly gets Stanley Johnson

ChurchPugh

1.) 22 Nov 2017 20:20:58
I think Detroit is going to hold onto Johnson for the year to see if he continues his improvement, and then make a decision in the offseason.


2.) 22 Nov 2017 20:23:37
Mil. gets Okafor,

Philly gets Vaughn and Milws. 2nd rd. pick.


 

 

15 Nov 2017 23:52:37
So Bleacher Report drops this article today about how the Lakers are going to land multiple superstars in free agency by extending Deng. I feel like they could definitely make that happen. But what if they aimed higher?

OKC is off to a rough start. They also have reported that upper management won't overdo it next summer in terms of going into the luxury tax. If George is to opt out and earn more (which he will), the Thunder can't afford him. If we hit December and OKC still isn't putting things together, why not capitalize on moving George to a team that he's rumored for?

Lakers get Paul George, Kyle Singler, Zach Collins
***Lakers get their guy. They've been after him and he's been after them. They preserve all expiring deals and take on minimal contracts with him.

Blazers get Jordan Clarkson, Alex Abrines, Julius Randle, OKC 2nd, 2 Lakers 1sts
***In this deal, Blazers move CJ. He's a great talent but doesn't necessarily fit next to Lillard. Getting Clarkson isn't a bad get, but getting 3 picks is great. Abrines can spread the foor, and Randle could fit well there.

Thunder get CJ McCollum, Brandon Ingram, Larry Nance Jr.
***Thunder don't get any picks, but they add a great scorer in CJ. They slide Roberson back over to the 3. Ingram can start at the 3 once he develops a little more. Nance is a nice prospect.

Lakers can still extend and stretch Deng. They still have big expiring contracts. They can actually build around their free agents. More than that, though, they can already have George there to use in talks with free agents next summer.

Thoughts? How far off am I?

ChurchPugh

1.) 16 Nov 2017 05:11:13
i like the idea, but i don’t see cj working out that much better next to russ than dame.
but its a pretty good salvage for pg if they are letting him walk, honestly might be too much getting him and ingram. maybe move around some of the assets between la and por.
and i read the br article, streching deng is still a second option to trading him, and if they are giving up ingram, i would think deng have to be would be included with him.


2.) 16 Nov 2017 15:42:10
I actually like this idea for everyone involved. As OKC, you're pretty much turning Oladipo and Sabonis into those three. Not bad at all. As far as McCollum's fit next to Westbrook, I think it would be fine. The big issue with the Blazers is the rest of the team's fit. With the Thunder, you'd have Roberson, Ingram, Nance, Melo, Adams, Grant, Patterson. that's a much more well rounded roster. With the Blazers, the big issue is they need a SF for the starting lineup and need to bring Turner off the bench as a facilitator with shooters.

Clarkson and Randle would fit in nicely with the rest of the roster in Portland, and those picks will come in very handy.


3.) 16 Nov 2017 16:23:12
That is an absolutely horrible move for Portland. Really really horrible. Those two picks are late firsts if George and Lebron go to LA. None of the players are much of anything. And Portland gives up a recent lottery pick?

Portland won’t give up McCollum without getting an elite asset back. All of that is average at best.

Also, okc is getting way too much back for George. He’s not worth McCollum alone. Look at the return Indy got for him a couple months ago. No one is giving that kind of talent for an expiring contract.


 

 

30 Sep 2017 14:28:45
OKC: Trey Lyles, Will Barton

Nuggets: Alex Abrines, Josh Huestis, future first

Thunder solidify their bench for a title run. They get a backup big they sorely need and a bench scorer who can thrive as a sixth man. They love having that bench wing who can fill it up and Barton could be that guy for a year.

Nuggets have so many bigs. They cash in on one netting a first and a shooter to help spread the floor.

Thoughts?

ChurchPugh

1.) 30 Sep 2017 16:35:45
Okc' 2018 1St is going to Minn. Their 2020 1st is going to Orlando. The earliest 1st round pick they can trade is 2022. don't think Denver is enticed by that. Nuggets decline.


 

 

07 Sep 2017 01:57:50
OKC gets:
Marc Gasol
Stanley Johnson
James Ennis

Memphis gets:
Andre Drummond
Doug McDermott
OKC 1st
DET 1st
CHI 2nd via OKC

Detroit gets:
Steven Adams
Kyle Singler
OKC 2nd

OKC goes all in hoping to convince Russ and George to stay long term.

Memphis moves on from Gasol and get a younger premier center, a shooter, and picks.

Detroit gets a stud defensive big in Adams who fits the mold of the old bad boy Pistons.

ChurchPugh

1.) 07 Sep 2017 04:54:29
Detroit gets completely screwed. Even if they don't include Johnson and their first, it's still bad for them.


2.) 07 Sep 2017 13:15:59
The Grizzlies said yesterday that Gasol is untouchable in any deal that doesn't blow their socks off. This deal doesn't blow their socks off.


3.) 07 Sep 2017 14:48:05
I'm actually not sure why OKC would do this. I love Gasol and everything, and he's the best of the three centers involved with this trade, but is he that much of an upgrade over Adams that you'd want to give up multiple picks? With an offense that already includes George and Westbrook, there's only so much ball to go around. What you need in that case are high upside role players, which is what Adams is. He rebounds and blocks at right around the same rate as Gasol does, and he's 8 years younger and on pretty much the same contract.


4.) 07 Sep 2017 15:55:47
Blocks and defense aren't the same. Gasol is an elite defender, Adams isn't. Gasol is also one of the best passing bigs I've ever seen, and a great scorer. And yes, you need more scorers, always.

Gasol is a top 5 center in the NBA. Adams maybe is top 20. Yes, Gasol is considerably better than Adams.

I feel like a comparative question is "Is Paul George really that much better than Trevor Ariza? " The answer is clearly yes.


 

 

10 Aug 2017 14:06:42
A few Nuggets moves just for fun.

First.

Denver gets Klay Thompson, Looney, McCaw
GSW get Wilson Chandler, Murray, Harris, 1st rounder
***GSW can't keep everyone together forever and Klay seems to be the star that would be the odd man out. This is a great return for them.

Next.

Denver gets Jordan Clarkson
Lakers get Jameer Nelson, Will Barton
***Lakers want cap room for next summer. If they strike out on the big names, Barton at lest still has potential.

Then.

Denver gets Kyle Singler, 2nd rounder (CHI)
Thunder get Trey Lyles
***Thunder could use another big and Denver could use the asset.

With these moves, Denver puts together a really nice team to compete in the West.

Clarkson, Mudiay, Morris
Thompson, Beasley, McCaw
Looney, Singler
Milsap, Faried, Arthur
Jokic, Plumlee

Thoughts?

ChurchPugh

1.) 10 Aug 2017 14:27:07
Clarkson isn't a starting pg (he's better at the two or a combo guard off the bench) and I don't see the Nuggets being willing to give up both Harris and Murray in any deal. One of the two would be best case scenario.


 

 

 

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16 Jun 2017 02:17:35
OKC needs a shot blocker, stretch 4, versatility, size on the wing, etc...

If they get lucky, they find a team to take Kanter without getting much else back. Stretch Singler. Renounce Roberson.

Two guys who make a lot of sense on the current roster (don't laugh): Serge Ibaka and Jeff Green.

Sure, Ibaka wanted out and wanted a bigger role. Well. He can have it now, AND go back to the team that drafted/developed him.

Next you have Green. He showed promise for the Thunder but was never a four despite being stuck there for OKC. He can come back and slide into a more natural position at the 3. He'll be way less expensive after disappearing a bit in Orlando but still has some talent.

Resign Taj and convince him being the big off the bench in Kanter's role is the right move for him. Cut Christon and Cole and hope you get a solid point in FA and draft one at 21.

Russ-FA-Rookie
Oladipo-Abrines
Green-Grant
Ibaka-Sabonis
Adams-Gibson

Thoughts?

ChurchPugh

1.) 17 Jun 2017 06:24:49
Not bad but I don't think OKC has cap for this and where's McDermott?


 

 

08 Jun 2017 19:33:28
Whats the best return OKC can get for Russ?

ChurchPugh

1.) 08 Jun 2017 20:39:40
LAL- #2, Russell, and Ingram
BOS- #1, (Thomas to a 3rd team), Nets 2018, Yabusele.


 

 

03 Jun 2017 18:18:38
Let me see your best Russ Westbrook trade scenario.

Russ to Wolves?

Russ to Lakers?

Russ to Sixers?

Russ to Boston?

Russ to....?

ChurchPugh

1.) 03 Jun 2017 23:21:35
Maybe
2nd pick, Russell and Clarkson for Westbrook?


2.) 04 Jun 2017 11:27:22
Russ to OKC for more years.


 

 

02 Jun 2017 15:49:53
Whats the best OKC could do on a Westbrook return? He's a top 10 player and deserves more than what the Thunder can give him.

OKC could restock and bide their time developing young guys and wait until things open back up. So many other teams in win-now mode. Russ has that killer instinct and endless motor.

They could call teams like Boston, LA, Spurs, Sixers, etc. What could they get back? what's the best they could do?

Lets see in the comments.

ChurchPugh

1.) 02 Jun 2017 16:59:34
I think LA and Boston would be their best bet.

Boston would probably be something like 2 of the Brooklyn picks, and Brown and then whatever a third team would give up for Thomas (something like 3 solid picks or young players) .

The Lakers would give Igram, Russell, the 2, and then one of their lesser prospects and maybe a little more if they were willing to take on Mozgov or Deng.

I don't see many other teams with the young talent and picks and current roster/ ability to sign a free agent to team up with Russell to make the price worth it to make an offer attractive enough to pull Russell under the current circumstances. Obviously if he says he's walking things change.


2.) 02 Jun 2017 17:19:57
Church ---
All the teams you mentioned have assets, but at what cost?
Boston has draft picks into the next century, but is not going to give all of them up. And all that would do is drop OKC to Phoenix level for 3-4 and depress the fan base.
The Lakers would do something, but the cupboard would be bare when Westbrook gets there.
San Antonio plays team ball and would not abandon that to become The Westbrook Show.
Philly won't give up Simmons or Embiid, and anything else they have won't get the trade done.


 

 

27 May 2017 16:20:47
If this Kanter accusation gets serious, do the Thunder look to wipe his salary from the books (either getting an exemption from the league or waiving him)?

ChurchPugh

1.) 28 May 2017 04:50:00
Hahahah a be quiet. A ridiculous dictator made a bs accusation. Just stop.


 

 

 

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27 Oct 2017 16:22:14
Would rather have Jokic over Cousind tbh.

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28 Sep 2017 04:06:45
That's not even the chandler they need. Try putting together a respectable and doable Tyson chandler deal. He'd be a fantastic backup 5.

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03 Aug 2017 14:16:28
Appreciate the shoutout! Just can't see us moving Adams unless it's a younger, more locked in star. He's very valuable.

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05 Jul 2017 18:02:21
Sick of hearing about losing Harden.

We offered him the deal he wanted. He didn't accept because of his role. We in turn hit the phones. Called GSW first. They wouldn't give up Thompson. We called Wiz second. They wouldn't give up Beal. We called Houston third. We landed Martin (stop gap), Lamb (bust), and the pick that turned into Steven Adams. None are equivalent to Harden. Sure. But all that crap about not paying Harden is incorrect.

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05 Jul 2017 15:27:47
Supercollider and SimmonsOrBust:

I'm assuming you completely missed the of OKC grabbing George for Oladipo and Sabonis and no picks.

And you obviously missed numerous reports saying Gordon Hayward was signing with Boston. despite them not yet having sufficient room yet.

Point being: OKC is savvy in trades. AND OKC is one of the few teams with an exception equivalent to relieving the cap room necessary to bringing in Hayward. Boston still has Rozier to play behind IT. This deal makes sense.

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