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14 Jun 2023 02:28:32
Kings trade
Holmes, Mitchell and 24th pick
Toronto trades OG
Kings let Barnes walk also
1.) 14 Jun 2023 03:08:09
I would do this in a heart beat, but I think Toronto wants more.
2.) 14 Jun 2023 03:08:52
I don’t think Mitchell and 24 would be enough for Raps to trade OG. Holmes doesn’t have much value, especially to Raps who have 2 young bigs in Achuiwa and Koloko.
3.) 14 Jun 2023 16:09:52
Two young bigs that couldn't get the job done thus they went out and traded for Proetl at the deadline.
4.) 14 Jun 2023 16:54:25
Two young bigs that were a part of the reason the coach lost his job. Management believes the new coach will improve them, and therefore they continue to value them. Toronto could have had Holmes before he re-upped with the Kings but chose not to, so I don't think they see him having much value.
23 May 2023 01:52:02
Kings trade Keegan Murray, davion Mitchell and this years 1st (and let Barnes walk)
Raptors trade OG Anunoby.
As a kings fan think it's giving up a lot but need a better defensive wing and presence. Barnes and Murray together aren't going to get them any further. Resign Lyles and Davis.
Kings
Fox
Huerter
Monk
Anunoby
Sabonis
1.) 23 May 2023 03:19:43
I wouldn't give Murray alone and I wouldn't even consider it.
2.) 23 May 2023 03:53:36
So you want to downgrade after a great season? Lmao.
3.) 23 May 2023 04:39:51
What stupidity is this?
Calling for your King's fan card to be revoked IMMEDIATELY!
4.) 23 May 2023 07:33:45
you could consider Murray or Mithcell and the first for Anunoby, but this is an overpay.
5.) 23 May 2023 12:24:30
The obvious move for next season for the Kings is to move Keegan to the SF while acquiring a rebounding, stretch-4 type (something like a JJJ type) to play with Keegan & Sabonis.
Keeping Keegan at the PF is going to continue to be a problem on the boards. Kings gave up way too many offensive rebounds during the season and in the playoffs to not address.
As for the defensive wing, I would love to see Kessler Edwards spend the off season with the shooting coach that worked with Fox last season. I think the Kings may get their OG defensive wing that way instead of trading away valuable assets.
6.) 23 May 2023 22:57:43
Kings not going any further with Murray and Barnes in lineup together. Neither can defend big wings or power forwards. They need a strong defender with size, since Sabonis doesn’t defend well. OG would be a major upgrade for their roster.
05 Jul 2022 23:30:10
Now that kings have monk and huerter
Kings send Mitchell , Keegan Murray, and 3 of the next 4 years first rounders for KD
Fox
Monk/huerter
Barnes
KD
sabonis
1.) 06 Jul 2022 01:04:53
Say what.
2.) 06 Jul 2022 02:50:22
Cap space?
3.) 06 Jul 2022 22:25:31
Throw in Holmes if want to move dollars.
25 Jun 2022 10:43:01
Durant wants to prove a legacy he can come to sac. Win a championship and be right next to warriors..3 1st round picks, Holmes and Barnes for Durant trade
1.) 25 Jun 2022 11:04:08
Add Mitchell and Murray.
2.) 25 Jun 2022 13:17:53
Ain’t adding Murray or Mitchell, let me know when the nets gets a better offer than this.
3.) 25 Jun 2022 15:37:50
Why would Nets want Barnes and Holmes plus 3 late 1sts (considering Kings would be a playoff team with KD) ?
Knicks could offer 3/ 4 1sts plus young players such as Toppin Quickley etc
Suns could send picks plus Ayton & Cam
Wizards could send pick plus young players such as Kuzma Avdija Davis etc
Nets will want picks AND young talent if Kyrie leaves and Durant wants out. They hardly have any picks so they would definitely prefer young talent over Barnes & Holmes.
4.) 25 Jun 2022 17:18:45
Let me know when knicks offer that, sure nets will say done.
17 Jun 2022 01:47:14
What you guys think of
Kings trade Holmes, holiday and 4th pick for OG anunoby?
As kings fan this seems to fit the win now strategy and zero chance they get somebody better for next year or two from the draft.raptors have clear logjam at forward..
1.) 17 Jun 2022 03:43:54
Raptors do not have a clear logjam at forward. it is totally by design and they're much more likely to double down than to take Holmes, a guy they didn't want last summer, and Holiday, a guy nobody really wants. the number 4 is interesting, but even if we were to hit on scottie barnes number 2 that player wouldn't be better than OG for several years.
it's kinda nice, as a raptors fan, to know that everybody wants him, but even nicer to know that the management know what they're doing, and won't do a bad deal just because bleacher report says so.
2.) 17 Jun 2022 03:58:29
It's a slight overpay but if they can re-sign OG, it's a good move.
3.) 17 Jun 2022 04:37:17
Is OG becoming the most overrated player in the NBA? The #4 pick for him? Really? That’s a massive overpay for a good defender that’s a league average efficient player.
He’s arguably the worst starter on Toronto. And has huge question marks with his health.
His stats line up really close to 24 year old Aaron Gordon. I think they’re very similar.
4.) 17 Jun 2022 05:03:16
Kings would probably pass because OG does not directly fill a need and sending Holiday to match salary creates a new whole that will not be filled.
5.) 17 Jun 2022 05:12:56
Rapsfans think OG is Kawhi-like i am not surprised he is becoming an overrated dude.
6.) 17 Jun 2022 05:54:10
Why does OG have superstar value all of a sudden?
7.) 17 Jun 2022 12:51:28
It's a little overpay for Sacramento, but Anunoby would be a great fit.
8.) 17 Jun 2022 13:17:46
OG is being over-rated for one reason. Toronto DOES NOT WANT to trade him. They will only trade him for one of those offers you can't refuse. equal value isn't part of the equation for Raptors management. they will have to win the trade in order to do it. otherwise quite happy to carry on with him as a starter and key member of the group.
9.) 17 Jun 2022 14:34:30
I do think it's very unfair to us Raptors fans to assign us the habit of overrating players. Everybody does that. I think OG has great potential, the Kings fans think Davion has great potential, the Blazers fans think Simons has great potential.
OG is a much better defender than Gordon was. He has the foot speed to consistently go against smaller, quick guards, and the strength to bang down low with anyone not named Embiid. He even shut down Giannis, for crying out loud. The fourth pick would likely be Ivey, and I don't see the Raptors giving up their best defender for a Fred/ Ivey/ Trent 1/ 2/ 3, which would get demolished by bigger 2's and 3's.
That being said, I personally don't value OG as high as other fans do, but I do think that we shouldn't trade him.
10.) 17 Jun 2022 15:22:28
People may overvalue their own players which is how it usually goes. But OG Simons and Mitchell aren’t worth 4.
11.) 17 Jun 2022 15:58:15
OG isn't wort the fourth pick, but i don't think the Kings can get a better offer and they have to make some decisions. They want a win now player and Ivey don't want to go.
So they can draft Murray, Mathurin or Sharpe.
Murray is tempting, but i would prefer OG over sharpe.
12.) 17 Jun 2022 16:23:42
Is Ivey/ Murray going to be as good as Simons/ OG will?
13.) 17 Jun 2022 18:03:06
I think OG fits what the kings need and can’t imagine they get a better player at 4 pick than him, at least not for the next 2 years…is Keegan Murray better than OG? At least OG is young and yes would only do it if could lock him up for a few years.
14.) 17 Jun 2022 22:01:03
OG fits what the Kings are doing but OG doesn't fill the holes that the Kings gave at SG and PF.
15.) 17 Jun 2022 23:06:28
Ivey has more potential than Simons and OG yes. You can’t compare a rookie and a NBA player with 3+ years under their belt. Sac can get a player on that level + more (Collins + fillers) .
16.) 18 Jun 2022 00:04:12
I don’t see how Ivey makes any sense for the kings with fox. Nor can he shoot, the kings need a wing and or PF with some swag, physicality, defense. Etc…I think there are teams who value Ivey highly and kings should trade the pick. John Coliins seems overrated and soft, a better version of Marvin bagley, I’d rather have a Jerami grant or OG … fox, Mitchell. Barnes. OG and Sabonis should make the playoffs.
17.) 18 Jun 2022 01:18:43
a) Everyone "overvalues" their players, not just Raptors fans. Think about that the next time someone makes what you might consider a garbage proposal for one of your core guys.
b) Raps won't trade OG for anything that doesn't make them better and compliment their vision. Holmes, Holiday, and guys like them don't tick either of those boxes. The 4th pick is arguable.
c) If the Kings value OG enough to send the 4th pick and change, then that's his value relative to that franchise. Doesn't mean that's his value to the Raptors or any other team. It's all relative.
d) There is no logjam at forward. As windraps said, it's by design.
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04 Feb 2023 02:33:43
If everyone on this website views Scottie Barnes, pascal Siakam, OG , and Fred van vleet as all incredibly valuable trade assets, why do the raptors stink?
1.) 04 Feb 2023 08:18:14
My take:
What the Raptors want, the 6'9 team isn't working and i dont think it could really work and that's evident with their record.
Those players value are high because:
Scottie - very young and shows a very high ceiling
Pascal - could be the 2nd or 3rd best player on a championship team
OG - i agree he is overrated. My value for him is a young player, a matching contract and a 1st maybe top 10 protected
Fred - a good leader imo, he shows a he can play in both sides of the court. I value him about the same as OG.
All in all, i believe the Raptors are getting delusional with their demands. They will dwell in mediocrity once again if they continue this. They could use Barnes as an asset if they want to trade for a star. If they want to rebuild, they can use Pascal to gain assets.
2.) 04 Feb 2023 09:57:11
I would trade Barnes ans assets for Durant or SGA.
3.) 04 Feb 2023 13:12:11
I think the problem with this "position"-less basketball is that player's roles are not clearly defined so that specialization can be established.
Although, their defense has improved by being able to switch screens, but has made them susceptible to being outphysicalled on the boards at times.
4.) 04 Feb 2023 16:19:07
Psiphon is totally right. But I’d add one more thing:
Never underestimate how important a true #1 option is. Toronto doesn’t have a guy to just go win a game with his offense.
5.) 05 Feb 2023 01:40:20
@BMiller - I agree 100% on the true #1 option. Raptors hope Siakam is going to be that guy, but I'm not sure he'll ever be more than the 2nd best guy on a championship team. then again, nothing wrong with being scottie pippen. for someone who watches every game it seems to me that they just can't seem to all play well at the same time, and Nurse's defensive systems demand that everyone on the floor perform well. it's awesome to watch when it's working, but it seems when siakam is going well fred sucks, and when fred picks it up pascal struggles. achiuwa has looked good lately but lousy before he got hurt. boucher up and down. trent coming around after a visit to the bench for a few games. i'm not certain that it isn't just a matter of more time to gel, and i don't buy that the raptors can't afford to pay everyone with a salary cap jump coming. so it's hard to say what they'll do at the deadline. @Gasupo - that may be on the board now, but only if they sell high for sga or kd, not for anyone else.
16 Nov 2022 14:30:21
Where are all you experts mocking the kings for the Halliburton trade now? Gone quiet ?
1.) 17 Nov 2022 00:08:25
Indy gave up a 26 year old, 2-times All Star Center AND a second-round pick. LOL!
It is not the Kings fault that Indy was misusing Sabonis. LOL!
2.) 17 Nov 2022 17:42:19
The way Hali is playing he’ll be a 2-4 all star by that age as well.
26 Jan 2019 16:22:57
I want to hear which one of these players the kings can get for only expiring contracts and maybe a 2nd round pick: Batum, porter, Barnes. All well paid, who think they are gettable to clear future cap space? After last nights game it must be clear shump and Jackson not going to cut it
1.) 27 Jan 2019 00:09:11
I agree on shump and Jackson. I don't think porter does much better but costs way more. Barnes is not consistent but an upgrade.
05 Jan 2019 15:54:30
Couple questions for Btec :
1)You said kings couldn't get porter for free but in dec you said he was 9-12mm overpaid. What's the logic? If he is overpaid, wall is injured, why wouldn't they trade him for expiring deals?
2) w 2100 responses last year, you have a job or just play with this website at work?
1.) 05 Jan 2019 18:52:28
Why the "beautiful lie"? You can tell the truth, or what you really want to say. I have been fair to the Kings, I don't know why the passive aggressiveness is necessary. Expiring contracts have little value. The Wiz would have to be really desperate to take nothing in return, or expiring contacts. I think there is better out there. I really don't recall saying Porter would be free? Or what free means to you? Free would be those expirings to the Wiz for Porter, to me. going to have to do something else, I think. That shouldn't be shocking or insulting. I don't think. Anyway, sooooorrrrryyyu.
2.) 05 Jan 2019 19:17:14
So if a player is 10 mm overpaid the kings should give more to take that contract on? Doesn’t the definition of overpaid mean you are taking on an overpriced asset and doing a favor to the selling team? Agree expiring contracts define free which is what porter should trade for with his contract and wizards situation.
3.) 05 Jan 2019 20:27:30
I have a deal for Porter estimated at this: An average player, salary filler, maybe a late 2nd MAX. The kings expirings or the deal I believe I used the term "free" concerning was: Mclemore, Randolph, cap space. Randolph and Mclemore are just too crappy and the cap space isn't better than they ultimately can get in my opinion. Would the Sixers give Fultz away after investing 50-60mil for expirings that saves them 10mil if there's a window of hope for his recovery? I think other teams might feel that way about Porter, there's hope, or they could play him the right way in their system. I don't personally, but I think that's his League value. Find out sometime soon, I'm sure. Obviously you share the hope for him side or you wouldn't want his long term deal.
4.) 05 Jan 2019 22:12:54
If you give a team expiring contracts for an overpaid player that's not free. Your enabling a team to sign someone else. So if the wizards traded porter for expiring contracts and have cap relief to get out of tax or to sign another player the wizards would fill there need. But y would they need to dump porter he has value overpaid or not. He has value to a team like sac who has a lot of cap and young players. so sac will give up an asset and expiring contracts for him.
5.) 05 Jan 2019 22:27:25
I don’t think we are that far apart, we will see how it plays out. Not sure how many teams have as much skate as kings, I’d be fine w kings doing the trade if all it took was a 2 nd round pick and would throw in skal as well. Kings need the position badly, won’t land a better player for their needs in free agency and as long as they keep he core of Hield, fox, bogi, Bagley, WCS, maybe Jackson, everyone else is expendable. They don’t need another young flier in a draft they need a proven wing to get over the hump so that in next few years they can attract players and or resign their own who think they have a real shot.
6.) 05 Jan 2019 22:50:40
Throw in Bjelica or Giles, 2nd, whatever expiring deals and I think we are getting somewhere! Porter is really tough to value. I can say that much.
7.) 06 Jan 2019 00:12:07
Think shouldn’t and wouldn’t trade Bjelica or Giles. To me 2nd round picks aren’t worth much so wouldn’t care.
8.) 06 Jan 2019 00:27:43
Good luck with Porter.
9.) 06 Jan 2019 20:50:14
You like porter or Batum more assuming the give is the same? Assume you like porter better even w the larger contract?
10.) 06 Jan 2019 21:54:17
They are within a few million. Batum has a '20-'21 player option. Depends on what my team goal would be, or the fit I had in mind? Player for player Black and White comparison? I like Batum. He's as good or better a defender, does also have the ability to play the 2 where Porter really doesn't, and the 4 if you were desperate. Good facilitator, Ball handler, Porter not so much. Look at Batums minutes, Borrego is running him ragged defensively with Zeller in the starting lineup and Kemba's woes defensively. He might be the only defender in CHA if it weren't for Lamb and Williams. (biyombo never plays) The Hornets are prepping a serious retool when they move on from Batum. Porter has no where near the responsibilities, just younger with a little ceiling left maybe, are his high points to me anyway. Porter's absence hardly gets noticed for the teams overall performance, especially with Ariza starting.
29 Dec 2018 22:24:32
With John wall out, time for wizards to regroup and shed contracts.
Wizards trade porter
Kings trade zbo, shump and Skal. Shot at a young player and two expiring deals
At 27mm a year for 3 years wizards do not deserve any pick nor WCS nor anything else
1.) 30 Dec 2018 00:12:56
Won't get him for nothing.
16 Jun 2023 17:43:10
Which one of you guys are really monte McNair? Took my idea of Holmes, Mitchell and 1st round pick for OG, and now it’s all over the internet kings are pursuing it.
01 Jun 2023 02:18:18
Throw in more if need be like davion Mitchell if raptors would even consider it.
23 May 2023 22:57:43
Kings not going any further with Murray and Barnes in lineup together. Neither can defend big wings or power forwards. They need a strong defender with size, since Sabonis doesn’t defend well. OG would be a major upgrade for their roster.
31 Jan 2023 23:44:06
Kings aren’t trading monk.
19 Nov 2022 03:17:35
Kings finally playing well, wouldn’t do anything right now. John colllins could be bagley esque w the kings also.
12 Jan 2019 16:18:43
Starting to agree w Btec on porter. Watched last night, he is soft, not aggressive, seems content to let Beal be the man.
06 Jan 2019 20:50:14
You like porter or Batum more assuming the give is the same? Assume you like porter better even w the larger contract?
06 Jan 2019 00:12:07
Think shouldn’t and wouldn’t trade Bjelica or Giles. To me 2nd round picks aren’t worth much so wouldn’t care.
05 Jan 2019 22:27:25
I don’t think we are that far apart, we will see how it plays out. Not sure how many teams have as much skate as kings, I’d be fine w kings doing the trade if all it took was a 2 nd round pick and would throw in skal as well. Kings need the position badly, won’t land a better player for their needs in free agency and as long as they keep he core of Hield, fox, bogi, Bagley, WCS, maybe Jackson, everyone else is expendable. They don’t need another young flier in a draft they need a proven wing to get over the hump so that in next few years they can attract players and or resign their own who think they have a real shot.
05 Jan 2019 19:17:14
So if a player is 10 mm overpaid the kings should give more to take that contract on? Doesn’t the definition of overpaid mean you are taking on an overpriced asset and doing a favor to the selling team? Agree expiring contracts define free which is what porter should trade for with his contract and wizards situation.