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15 Jan 2024 15:58:51
Sac: Kuzma
Wash: huerter, Mitchell, 2025 1st
1.) 15 Jan 2024 17:50:37
Seems like quite an over pay for someone who don’t play D on a team that dearly needs it.
2.) 15 Jan 2024 20:39:27
Lol overpay? Wizards say no to this.
3.) 17 Jan 2024 02:35:20
Kings are only interested in doing this if Kuzma is willing to be a 3rd-4th option on this team. There were many reports during the last off season that Kuzma was not interested in getting less touches.
31 Dec 2023 03:56:22
Sac: Siakam
Tor: Barnes, huerter, Mitchell and 1st round pick
1.) 31 Dec 2023 22:51:48
Not saying it's a bad offer, but there's nothing there for Toronto to get excited about.
2.) 01 Jan 2024 23:06:51
Will somebody offer more, considering it may be a six month rental?
3.) 02 Jan 2024 16:52:39
Although it’s hard ta argue yer “is anyone gonna offer more” comment, it’s also hard to believe with Masai’s history that he would trade just for the sake of trading in this scenario. If he’s not getting any real building blocks he just as well stay with the devil he knows.
4.) 03 Jan 2024 00:18:49
Seems crazy for anyone to offer too much of can just give him a large contract this summer and not give up anything.
5.) 03 Jan 2024 19:25:26
Kings wait for the offseason where they can offer less in a S&T.
6.) 04 Jan 2024 15:10:14
Raptors will have waaaay more leverage in an s&t dude. Haha.
7.) 04 Jan 2024 15:30:28
The motivation for making a trade on a “potential rental” is the fact you acquire his bird rights which gives you the ability to offer more years and money than any other team AND go over the salary cap to do so. Without those bird rights, if you do not have the cap space to sign him out right, which only a couple teams are projected to have this upcoming free agency (recognizing several of them have their own free agents to resign and therefore far less of a threat to steal), you would require a sign and trade which you CAN NOT accomplish without the Raptors help! Why would they help if there is nothing in it for them? Why would they take on crappy matching contracts they would be obligated to fulfill therefore taking away valuable roster spots and cap room? It will be interesting to watch this all play out. Who takes the risk, a team that offers something the raps accept knowing they have a few months to convince him to resign with the advantages they have by acquiring his bird rights? Or the Raptors for NOT panicking and holding out for better offers for your best player knowing he is a flight risk but still holding his bird rights? Make NO mistake. This is NOT a FVV situation, Raptors know he’s got a max deal (or near max deal) coming so the ability for someone to “overpay” is truly not there.
8.) 04 Jan 2024 23:20:38
What leverage does Toronto have? Siakam says I will sign to play In Sacramento for whatever cap space or I sign and play in Sacramento at a higher price and Toronto gets Barnes + a 2025 first. So Toronto gets a little something or absolutely nothing.
07 Dec 2023 01:27:18
Sac; huerter Mitchell and 1st round pick
Raptors: OG
Kings going nowhere if can't get a 3/4 who can defend
1.) 07 Dec 2023 20:09:57
I think a lot of teams would beat that offer if OG was available, like every team.
2.) 08 Dec 2023 17:46:12
Huerter? No. Barnes? Yes. I could see Barnes being that veteran leader that Toronto appears to be lacking. I would also toss in a couple of 2nd round picks as well.
3.) 13 Dec 2023 16:32:47
OG won't be going anywhere Siakim boucher and Trent Jr. Need to go. They aren't doing anything to make use better. SIAKIM has great value Trent Jr. Ìs loosing value.
14 Jun 2023 02:28:32
Kings trade
Holmes, Mitchell and 24th pick
Toronto trades OG
Kings let Barnes walk also
1.) 14 Jun 2023 03:08:09
I would do this in a heart beat, but I think Toronto wants more.
2.) 14 Jun 2023 03:08:52
I don’t think Mitchell and 24 would be enough for Raps to trade OG. Holmes doesn’t have much value, especially to Raps who have 2 young bigs in Achuiwa and Koloko.
3.) 14 Jun 2023 16:09:52
Two young bigs that couldn't get the job done thus they went out and traded for Proetl at the deadline.
4.) 14 Jun 2023 16:54:25
Two young bigs that were a part of the reason the coach lost his job. Management believes the new coach will improve them, and therefore they continue to value them. Toronto could have had Holmes before he re-upped with the Kings but chose not to, so I don't think they see him having much value.
23 May 2023 01:52:02
Kings trade Keegan Murray, davion Mitchell and this years 1st (and let Barnes walk)
Raptors trade OG Anunoby.
As a kings fan think it's giving up a lot but need a better defensive wing and presence. Barnes and Murray together aren't going to get them any further. Resign Lyles and Davis.
Kings
Fox
Huerter
Monk
Anunoby
Sabonis
1.) 23 May 2023 03:19:43
I wouldn't give Murray alone and I wouldn't even consider it.
2.) 23 May 2023 03:53:36
So you want to downgrade after a great season? Lmao.
3.) 23 May 2023 04:39:51
What stupidity is this?
Calling for your King's fan card to be revoked IMMEDIATELY!
4.) 23 May 2023 07:33:45
you could consider Murray or Mithcell and the first for Anunoby, but this is an overpay.
5.) 23 May 2023 12:24:30
The obvious move for next season for the Kings is to move Keegan to the SF while acquiring a rebounding, stretch-4 type (something like a JJJ type) to play with Keegan & Sabonis.
Keeping Keegan at the PF is going to continue to be a problem on the boards. Kings gave up way too many offensive rebounds during the season and in the playoffs to not address.
As for the defensive wing, I would love to see Kessler Edwards spend the off season with the shooting coach that worked with Fox last season. I think the Kings may get their OG defensive wing that way instead of trading away valuable assets.
6.) 23 May 2023 22:57:43
Kings not going any further with Murray and Barnes in lineup together. Neither can defend big wings or power forwards. They need a strong defender with size, since Sabonis doesn’t defend well. OG would be a major upgrade for their roster.
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04 Feb 2023 02:33:43
If everyone on this website views Scottie Barnes, pascal Siakam, OG , and Fred van vleet as all incredibly valuable trade assets, why do the raptors stink?
1.) 04 Feb 2023 08:18:14
My take:
What the Raptors want, the 6'9 team isn't working and i dont think it could really work and that's evident with their record.
Those players value are high because:
Scottie - very young and shows a very high ceiling
Pascal - could be the 2nd or 3rd best player on a championship team
OG - i agree he is overrated. My value for him is a young player, a matching contract and a 1st maybe top 10 protected
Fred - a good leader imo, he shows a he can play in both sides of the court. I value him about the same as OG.
All in all, i believe the Raptors are getting delusional with their demands. They will dwell in mediocrity once again if they continue this. They could use Barnes as an asset if they want to trade for a star. If they want to rebuild, they can use Pascal to gain assets.
2.) 04 Feb 2023 09:57:11
I would trade Barnes ans assets for Durant or SGA.
3.) 04 Feb 2023 13:12:11
I think the problem with this "position"-less basketball is that player's roles are not clearly defined so that specialization can be established.
Although, their defense has improved by being able to switch screens, but has made them susceptible to being outphysicalled on the boards at times.
4.) 04 Feb 2023 16:19:07
Psiphon is totally right. But I’d add one more thing:
Never underestimate how important a true #1 option is. Toronto doesn’t have a guy to just go win a game with his offense.
5.) 05 Feb 2023 01:40:20
@BMiller - I agree 100% on the true #1 option. Raptors hope Siakam is going to be that guy, but I'm not sure he'll ever be more than the 2nd best guy on a championship team. then again, nothing wrong with being scottie pippen. for someone who watches every game it seems to me that they just can't seem to all play well at the same time, and Nurse's defensive systems demand that everyone on the floor perform well. it's awesome to watch when it's working, but it seems when siakam is going well fred sucks, and when fred picks it up pascal struggles. achiuwa has looked good lately but lousy before he got hurt. boucher up and down. trent coming around after a visit to the bench for a few games. i'm not certain that it isn't just a matter of more time to gel, and i don't buy that the raptors can't afford to pay everyone with a salary cap jump coming. so it's hard to say what they'll do at the deadline. @Gasupo - that may be on the board now, but only if they sell high for sga or kd, not for anyone else.
16 Nov 2022 14:30:21
Where are all you experts mocking the kings for the Halliburton trade now? Gone quiet ?
1.) 17 Nov 2022 00:08:25
Indy gave up a 26 year old, 2-times All Star Center AND a second-round pick. LOL!
It is not the Kings fault that Indy was misusing Sabonis. LOL!
2.) 17 Nov 2022 17:42:19
The way Hali is playing he’ll be a 2-4 all star by that age as well.
26 Jan 2019 16:22:57
I want to hear which one of these players the kings can get for only expiring contracts and maybe a 2nd round pick: Batum, porter, Barnes. All well paid, who think they are gettable to clear future cap space? After last nights game it must be clear shump and Jackson not going to cut it
1.) 27 Jan 2019 00:09:11
I agree on shump and Jackson. I don't think porter does much better but costs way more. Barnes is not consistent but an upgrade.
05 Jan 2019 15:54:30
Couple questions for Btec :
1)You said kings couldn't get porter for free but in dec you said he was 9-12mm overpaid. What's the logic? If he is overpaid, wall is injured, why wouldn't they trade him for expiring deals?
2) w 2100 responses last year, you have a job or just play with this website at work?
1.) 05 Jan 2019 18:52:28
Why the "beautiful lie"? You can tell the truth, or what you really want to say. I have been fair to the Kings, I don't know why the passive aggressiveness is necessary. Expiring contracts have little value. The Wiz would have to be really desperate to take nothing in return, or expiring contacts. I think there is better out there. I really don't recall saying Porter would be free? Or what free means to you? Free would be those expirings to the Wiz for Porter, to me. going to have to do something else, I think. That shouldn't be shocking or insulting. I don't think. Anyway, sooooorrrrryyyu.
2.) 05 Jan 2019 19:17:14
So if a player is 10 mm overpaid the kings should give more to take that contract on? Doesn’t the definition of overpaid mean you are taking on an overpriced asset and doing a favor to the selling team? Agree expiring contracts define free which is what porter should trade for with his contract and wizards situation.
3.) 05 Jan 2019 20:27:30
I have a deal for Porter estimated at this: An average player, salary filler, maybe a late 2nd MAX. The kings expirings or the deal I believe I used the term "free" concerning was: Mclemore, Randolph, cap space. Randolph and Mclemore are just too crappy and the cap space isn't better than they ultimately can get in my opinion. Would the Sixers give Fultz away after investing 50-60mil for expirings that saves them 10mil if there's a window of hope for his recovery? I think other teams might feel that way about Porter, there's hope, or they could play him the right way in their system. I don't personally, but I think that's his League value. Find out sometime soon, I'm sure. Obviously you share the hope for him side or you wouldn't want his long term deal.
4.) 05 Jan 2019 22:12:54
If you give a team expiring contracts for an overpaid player that's not free. Your enabling a team to sign someone else. So if the wizards traded porter for expiring contracts and have cap relief to get out of tax or to sign another player the wizards would fill there need. But y would they need to dump porter he has value overpaid or not. He has value to a team like sac who has a lot of cap and young players. so sac will give up an asset and expiring contracts for him.
5.) 05 Jan 2019 22:27:25
I don’t think we are that far apart, we will see how it plays out. Not sure how many teams have as much skate as kings, I’d be fine w kings doing the trade if all it took was a 2 nd round pick and would throw in skal as well. Kings need the position badly, won’t land a better player for their needs in free agency and as long as they keep he core of Hield, fox, bogi, Bagley, WCS, maybe Jackson, everyone else is expendable. They don’t need another young flier in a draft they need a proven wing to get over the hump so that in next few years they can attract players and or resign their own who think they have a real shot.
6.) 05 Jan 2019 22:50:40
Throw in Bjelica or Giles, 2nd, whatever expiring deals and I think we are getting somewhere! Porter is really tough to value. I can say that much.
7.) 06 Jan 2019 00:12:07
Think shouldn’t and wouldn’t trade Bjelica or Giles. To me 2nd round picks aren’t worth much so wouldn’t care.
8.) 06 Jan 2019 00:27:43
Good luck with Porter.
9.) 06 Jan 2019 20:50:14
You like porter or Batum more assuming the give is the same? Assume you like porter better even w the larger contract?
10.) 06 Jan 2019 21:54:17
They are within a few million. Batum has a '20-'21 player option. Depends on what my team goal would be, or the fit I had in mind? Player for player Black and White comparison? I like Batum. He's as good or better a defender, does also have the ability to play the 2 where Porter really doesn't, and the 4 if you were desperate. Good facilitator, Ball handler, Porter not so much. Look at Batums minutes, Borrego is running him ragged defensively with Zeller in the starting lineup and Kemba's woes defensively. He might be the only defender in CHA if it weren't for Lamb and Williams. (biyombo never plays) The Hornets are prepping a serious retool when they move on from Batum. Porter has no where near the responsibilities, just younger with a little ceiling left maybe, are his high points to me anyway. Porter's absence hardly gets noticed for the teams overall performance, especially with Ariza starting.
29 Dec 2018 22:24:32
With John wall out, time for wizards to regroup and shed contracts.
Wizards trade porter
Kings trade zbo, shump and Skal. Shot at a young player and two expiring deals
At 27mm a year for 3 years wizards do not deserve any pick nor WCS nor anything else
1.) 30 Dec 2018 00:12:56
Won't get him for nothing.
09 May 2024 22:51:51
If that’s legal and 76ers would actually do it, would even throw in a second round pick to shed the salary…then kings can offer a max deal to siakam or OG correct?
Fox/ Mitchell
Ellis
OG or siakam
Murray
Sabonis/ Len
Short story get rid of huerter, barnes and don’t resign monk if can get a legit max level wing…. OG, siakam or maybe even derozan.
Obviously not sure 76ers would want to take on those contracts but do think there is a team who needs shooting that would take huerter contract.
08 Jan 2024 16:49:32
You are including GSW because you think they would rather have Barnes and Toronto would rather have Wiggins?
08 Jan 2024 16:47:32
Why would Siakam agree to anything without waiting till the summer so he can choose where he wants to go?
03 Jan 2024 00:18:49
Seems crazy for anyone to offer too much of can just give him a large contract this summer and not give up anything.
01 Jan 2024 23:06:51
Will somebody offer more, considering it may be a six month rental?
12 Jan 2019 16:18:43
Starting to agree w Btec on porter. Watched last night, he is soft, not aggressive, seems content to let Beal be the man.
06 Jan 2019 20:50:14
You like porter or Batum more assuming the give is the same? Assume you like porter better even w the larger contract?
06 Jan 2019 00:12:07
Think shouldn’t and wouldn’t trade Bjelica or Giles. To me 2nd round picks aren’t worth much so wouldn’t care.
05 Jan 2019 22:27:25
I don’t think we are that far apart, we will see how it plays out. Not sure how many teams have as much skate as kings, I’d be fine w kings doing the trade if all it took was a 2 nd round pick and would throw in skal as well. Kings need the position badly, won’t land a better player for their needs in free agency and as long as they keep he core of Hield, fox, bogi, Bagley, WCS, maybe Jackson, everyone else is expendable. They don’t need another young flier in a draft they need a proven wing to get over the hump so that in next few years they can attract players and or resign their own who think they have a real shot.
05 Jan 2019 19:17:14
So if a player is 10 mm overpaid the kings should give more to take that contract on? Doesn’t the definition of overpaid mean you are taking on an overpriced asset and doing a favor to the selling team? Agree expiring contracts define free which is what porter should trade for with his contract and wizards situation.