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06 Nov 2017 11:21:26
Cavs Lakers

Lebron for Clarkson, Deng, Ingram, Randle and 1st Rd DP.

Lakers have:
Ball, Ennis
KCP, Blue
Lebron, Nance, Brewer
Kuzma,
Lopez, Bogut

Not to mention the cap space to sign 2 max contracts with Lebron already on the roster: Boogie and PG13?????

Cavs can go into rebuild mode immediately. Waive Deng and find new homes for anyone else who's name isn't Love, Korver, Thompson or Thomas That Lakers pick would be 14-19, BK would be 1-5. I like that if I'm the Cavs.

Lj29

1.) 06 Nov 2017 12:30:10
You do realise it’s november and not April 1st?


2.) 06 Nov 2017 12:47:36
Only Ingram and the 1st would be of any interest in this deal for the Cavs, and even at the deadline and the Cavs writing the season off, this is not enough to get it done.


3.) 06 Nov 2017 12:53:08
Only if the cavs are sure LBJ would sign with LA after this year. And still LA should give more for dumping Deng's contract.


4.) 06 Nov 2017 13:00:11
Multiple problems with this.
1.the numbers don't work. The Cavs are taking on to much salary. Even if they could take on that salary (they can't), they aren't going to put themselves deeper in the luxury with a Lebron trade.

2. Lebron would veto the trade. He has a clear path to the finals right now in Cleveland. Why would he go to a Lakers team where he would have no help this year?

3. For as apathetic as the Cavs have looked and it's been pathetic at times, they've beat the 3 best teams in the East and 2 of those are on the road. They're going to be fine, if they want to be.

4. Why would the Lakers do this? They'll need atleast Ball and Ingram to go with a big 3 just to have an outside shot at a team like the Warriors. If they lose either of those two, the team has no upside to convince players to come.


5.) 06 Nov 2017 17:32:08
1. According to trade machine, the numbers work. 5 million difference. If need be, it could be fine tuned.

2. Clear path to the finals, true, but the Warriors are going to win it. Hands down.

3. They’ll be fine. Again, you are right. But isn’t that just settling when you have an opportunity to set your franchise up for the future? Going to the finals is an incredible feat but we all know the outcome. For Lebron’s reason to go is to have a year playing the same system GS runs, grow familiar to Ball and Kuzma’s playing styles, and the next year, bring in some more talent. PG13 and Boogie. Give those legs some rest Lebron. If the Lakers do make the playoffs, not getting out of the first round with Lebron. Take early exit to get some rest mentally and physically and go hard after it 18-19.

4. Kuzma and Nance has more upside than Ingram. Not saying Ingram can’t be a stud, that would be the prize to pay to get a player like Lebron. But Kuzma and Nance has more upside playing alongside Bron and Ball. Sign Lopez at a reasonable price over the offseason, get two max contract players in, 2 shooters and that team has the best chance to beat GS. Name a team better.

Also Cleveland can grow past the Lebron era. If Lebron is there, you think IT re-signing? If Lebron wasn’t there, u think Dwade would be there? I say that to say, you get away from the players past there prime riding the coattails to the finals and add youth and talent to your franchise. And winning with that formula only brings more talent and youth. Reference GS. Moved past Ellis and Jackson and went for youth. Youth grew, won a ship and added KD. Put thought into it.


6.) 06 Nov 2017 18:49:58
1. Yeah, I was thinking Lebron was a little closer to thirty million and Deng and Clarkson made a little more, but that's still putting 20ish million more on the books at minimum. Gilbert might be willing to go into the red for a winner, but he's not gooing to do it in a rebuild and he's not going to pay luxury next year without Lebron and with contracts that would still be on the books, he would have to.

2. That's assuming the Warriors come in healthy or/ and the Cavs make no moves. The chances that the Cavs get back to the finals anytime soon post lebron aren't great. They had never done it before. Even if a rebuild goes well, the Cavs will have a hard time being this good again.

3. Lebron is 33. He knows his window is closing. He doesn't have the luxury of saying, I can rest up and come back next year. Plus, there is no guarantee that anyone else comes. How many times have we seen Lakers free agent speculation not amount to anything. The Knicks and Lakers are the biggest market teams and the media knows speculation on either team equals clicks.

4. You're delusional if you think Nance or Kuzma have more potential than Ingram and even if they can sign 3 max guys, the money from those deals will eat up 90 percent of the soft cap. The Lakers will need every rookie contract they have to fill out the roster with NBA level players.

Just because everything went right for GS doesn't really mean much. That team wasn't a finals team at the time and that's why they made moves to get younger. This is a completely different scenario and the Warriors ended up with the perfect storm. there is as much luck involved in drafting a winner as planned team building.


7.) 07 Nov 2017 01:16:04
you understand that with Brook Lopez contract off the books in the off season, plus the cap increase that is coming in the off season, the lakers can just go ahead and sign lebron. They don't need to trade for him now or ever actually.


 

 

24 Sep 2017 13:22:10
So let me get this right: OKC got PG13 AND Melo for Sabonis, Oladipo, McDermott, Kanter, and a second round pick???? Am I missing something? I'm just trying to make sense of this...Is Lebron next? Looking at the going rate, L.A could put together a nice package. Ingram, Clarkson, Deng, and a 1st rounder.

Lj29

1.) 24 Sep 2017 14:07:40
Thunder got George because it's probably a one-year rental.
OKC paid fair market value for Anthony given his age, declining skills, lack of defensive effort and ridiculous contract.


2.) 24 Sep 2017 14:39:24
The George to LA stuff really drove down the offers for him, I think. The Pacers also messed up by not wanting to take an offer from the East even though they'll be tanking for the next 3 years.

There just wasn't much interest in Melo and he could limit the teams that were even in the running. He's 34, his salary is hard to match, he has ever growing huge holes in his game, and you have to worry about how he'll respond to being a third option.

Plus, there is the risk that all 3 could walk at the end of the year if things don't mesh well. If that happens OKC is in for 5 years of rebuilding.


3.) 24 Sep 2017 15:07:51
Also, I don't see the Cavs trading Lebron, I don't see Lebron accepting a trade, and with the underwhelming roster the Lakers have right now, I don't see why Lebron would be interested in playing there this season.


4.) 24 Sep 2017 19:48:21
I still don't get the Pacers trade.
Why couldn't we get a draft pick PG13

I think NY panicked.
They should have told C Anthony that there was nog good offer for him, so he would go to Portland.


5.) 24 Sep 2017 20:19:38
I can see Lebron going there. Lebron has nothing to prove at this put of his career is the reason I can see him leaving. Media has always driven the debate of whose the GOAT that pushed the greats to achieve the accolades, but what does that really accomplish?

I think with the politics that are being pushed into sports, I think a lot of the superstars that are on their last hoorah are going to play with who they want and where. Magic in L.A is a good selling point to Lebron as far as life after basketball. Not to mention the cap space to bring in others. He's also a student of the game. All that history behind the Purple and Gold is a lot to pass up at this stage of his career.


6.) 25 Sep 2017 01:16:19
i could see lebron taking his po next summer and doing a s+t to the lakers for a package like that (similar to the cp3 situation) . assuming other pieces align in LA obvs. a 1 year commitment is preferential to a long term deal right away if u are lebron.


7.) 25 Sep 2017 16:30:11
I'm not sure how Presti is making this work. I have to imagine, even with the handicap of LA and Melo's demands, that there were better offers on the table for both of them. My understanding is that Boston would have had a better package for George if Indy had been willing to wait a few more days for the Hayward decision, and I'm sure there were at least a couple of others.

With Melo. I'm not a huge Melo fan, and I'm not a Knicks fan, and I still think they got fleeced. I can't imagine the Rockets offers were worse, and I would assume that Portland would have been a better offer, with Melo eventually OKing a trade there. I'm wondering what Cleveland was actually throwing into the wind. There's not a whole lot that they have to offer, so anything other than Frye and Shumpert and nothing else would have been better as well.

Presti is already GM of the year. That should be a REALLY fun starting 5, with three dynamic scorers, a rebounding/ defending center who is capable on the offensive side and a top wing stopper. This is probably the most well rounded starting 5 the Thunder have had since they moved to OKC.


 

 

23 Sep 2017 02:44:22
Wonder if Cavs are ready to start Love at Center and use TT in a package to get Melo. Makes sense for TT, allows KP play more outside offensively and be less of a bruiser in the paint. NY seems like a market to fit Tt's liking. Add Shump and Frye.....May have a winner NY, or Felder

Lj29

1.) 23 Sep 2017 07:35:31
I don't see it. The Cavs already struggle on defense. That line up would give up way to many points. I honestly just don't think Melo to the Cavs makes sense for the Cavs.


 

 

27 Jul 2017 19:01:55
Boston-KP

Knicks-Irving, Shump, #1 from Houston

Houston- Melo, J.R Smith

Cavs- Crowder, Smart, O'Quinn, Ariza, Lee, that BK #1 pick

👀....

That looks good for all teams!

Irving doesn't care about winning now so let him start fresh. If he did, why leave?

Looks like Houston gets a steal but with Melo, Ariza will be left out of rotations anyway

Boston clears up a clog and gives Tatum and Brown more burn while adding a post presence

Cavs just restocked the bench with D and younger talent than Lebron is used to

Lj29

1.) 27 Jul 2017 19:14:25
The Cavs should just take Lee, Oquinn, and Porzingis if they can get that. I don't see NY parting with him thoug.


2.) 27 Jul 2017 19:43:44
Knicks are NOT trading Porzingis to Celts! Give it up already!


3.) 27 Jul 2017 23:35:44
Rather have porzingis straight up than Irving. Laughable.


4.) 28 Jul 2017 19:59:55
don't think NY gets Irving and a 1st round pick for Anthony, O'quinn, and Lee.


 

 

24 Jun 2017 01:57:41
Welp...Boston flopped that up. How you win a lottery and only come out with Tatum and "possibly" a lottery pick in 2019? Lakers are not going to be in the bottom 5 next year is the reason I didn't add the second part of that trade. But anyway, Let me throw some things out there:

Charlotte gets Aldridge
SA gets Williams, Zeller, and a 2ndRDP.

SA gets Okafor,
Philly gets Green

Lj29

1.) 24 Jun 2017 14:37:01
The Spurs don't dump any salary with the first deal, and get worse.


2.) 24 Jun 2017 22:04:01
Boston didn't mess up. We don't need a guard and Jackson is too similar to Brown who we took 3rd overall last year. I think the Celtics hit a homerun with this pick. They were able to move down in the draft and get a future top 5 pick and still get the guy that they want and that will start along with Brown in a few years. This is smart basketball. Planning for the future instead of reaching for a player like Collins or Markkanin who are the only 2 players that could have probably come in and started for them but Tatum is a better pick if you look long term.


 

 

 

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17 Nov 2017 15:31:27
Steve Kerr made a statement about the Celtics dominating the East in the years to come, maybe starting as early as this year...(in a nutshell). So I like playing devils advocate. They're well coached, youth is on their side BUT, the Cavs could be on to something. I'm the same person that's been saying trade Lebron because he's a goner but now that I look at it, that would be crazy! I was saying build around(best case) IT, Thompson, Love and (Porter Jr) BK pick...But add Lebron to that mix. But I would trade Jr and Shump for Burks and Johnson from Utah. Any package netting those two in return. Johnson is old but he has an expiring contract and can come back for the vet min if the situation works out. Burks out of the rotation in Utah and could be a perfect fit with IT in the backcourt for years to come.
This roster keeps Boston at bay for 3-5 years and that's being generous to Boston because Porter is a beast. Even as early as next year if the Cavs draft him, you can build around him immediately and Lebron wouldn't be mad. Stretch 4 in Love, defensive big in TT, killer instinct with IT and ultimate playmaker in Lebron: perfect surroundings to groom a superstar.
I always said if the C's gave up that pick, it should've been for AD23. After the Lebron (playing) era and all the veterans that comes along with him, no telling who's going to want to come on board. Lebron in a front office spot immediately after retiring wouldn't be a bad move. He has ties with so many young players as is....that's why I had him going to L.A to learn that side from Magic but he could figure it on the fly cause this opportunity is too good to pass

Lj29

1.) 17 Nov 2017 19:14:33
There is no way LeBron stays. And to get to your point that players want to play with him, I think that is beginning to disappear, other then his buddys (CP3, Melo, Wade) . Irving has shown so far this year that he doesn't need LeBron. I personally feel that LeBron isn't able to carry a team like he used to. He needs another player that he can defer to, to help lead the offense. Obviously LeBron is still LeBron right now but I think he is starting to wear down a little with all the basketball he's played over the years. He needs a second superstar and since he wants to win another ring he is going to need to leave Cleveland to get that superstar.


2.) 17 Nov 2017 22:07:51
Too early in the season to make decisions like that Cleveland need Thomas to be playing first to see we're they are at . As for Boston remember these guys brown Tatum, Smart, Rozier are improving big time and in 2 to 4 years they are peaking not to mention Kyrie still only 25.


3.) 17 Nov 2017 23:07:46
Irving doesn’t need Lebron. His skill set fits better with a young, running, athlete squad like what they have in Boston. He saw the opportunity and knew that the Cavs were only getting slower and was relying more on experience come playoff time. You saw when Solver made the announcement about resting players, Kyrie was the first to chime in. He’s young. He want to push the tempo. That’s his style.

Dallas and the Pistons were the only two teams to win a “ship” with 1 or less superstars. You right. The talent pool makes it impossible to do it by yourself. But come playoff time, the only thing I worry about Lebron is his free throw percentage.

The wear and tear will come down once JR and Shump find a new home and IT comes in. They need a change of scenery. It’s easy to get complacent after 1 ring and it clearly shows. When TT comes back, the D will get better even though it wasn’t that great when he was there.

I’m a Lakers fan and would love for Bron to come with DMC and PG13 but at this point in his career, winning means more for his brand than location. The only player that applies to. Take any other superstar and put them in L. A, endorsements, brand building, the whole nine. Zo can score 2 points but can have 6 highlights on sports center while Clarkson or Kuzma can have combined 50 and not one shout out. lol That’s what L. A does. But as long as Lebron keeps winning in Cleveland, he will be at the top looking down. That’s why he’s the king. He’s fine where he is unless that pick gets traded or the Celtics win the East without Gordon. Obviously I don’t see either happening.


4.) 18 Nov 2017 03:36:44
The only way the Cavs should give up the Brooklyn pick is if it's in a deal for a high level defensive center and another perimeter defender or for Cousins. The Celtics have looked good so far, but in the playoffs everyone will be playing defense and without Hayward, the Celtics are in a similiar position as they were last year. Lebron leaving isn't a forgone conclusion. There just isn't a clear destination without a lot happening and no matter how the Cavs have looked at times (they're on a 4 game winning streak with a ton of injuries and while still not looking interested for long stretches) it's not like the Cavs aren't stacked.


 

 

02 Nov 2017 16:32:29
I know it's early and IT haven't even stepped on the floor but it looks like the thrill is gone in Cleveland. Me personally, I think it's time to build around Love, IT, and the BK pick. My keepers: Rose, Green and Crowder.....everyone else can go. How would you fill the roster?

Lj29

1.) 02 Nov 2017 18:32:40
If they are going to rebuild then love should go on the marker for picks by time they rebuild love will be too old even at his best he could get wolves to the playoffs.


2.) 02 Nov 2017 19:27:14
Couldn't get wolves to playoffs.


3.) 02 Nov 2017 19:46:20
Are you saying trade Lebron? We're less than 10 games into the season. The Cavs will be fine. There biggest problems looks to be lack of effort, bad conditioning, and lack of continuity. 2 of those will remedy themselves and given the amount of quality veterans the Cavs have, I think the effort will pick up after the other two improve. If they can get another high level 3 and D player like Green, Beverly, Covington, Or Bradley and a high level center like Gasol, Cousins or Jordan, they will be a huge threat to the Warriors. On paper they have the assets to do it as well.


4.) 03 Nov 2017 04:33:24
^aka the cavs need to make some really good trades if they want a chance at gs. but give them whatever u may think is the best combo of the aforementioned wing and big, and they still probably lose (but at least the finals would be more exciting than last year) . i think the cavs are stuck, this killed themself this summer (even if they did make the best of the kyrie debacle. ) their best chance was trading for butler/ george, but seriously the warriors are so good, it would be hard for me to choose a team made up of the whole rest of the league’s best players against them lol.


5.) 04 Nov 2017 00:11:37
Dona, they probably do need to make some moves to compete with the Warriors. Like you said, they are insanely talented, although, I don't buy that they're undefeatable. If you play them physically in the playoffs, you can manhandle them. On the offensive end, you can make them pay on the boards and in the paint and on the defensive end, you get their shooters out of rhythm and force them to turn it over. Also, with as stacked as the top teams are in the NBA, if one of Durant, Curry, or Green goes down, the Warriors are done.


6.) 06 Nov 2017 06:59:43
While waiting for IT, TT, and Iman. The team needs to play a good perimeter defense. Love needs to be more than just a rebounder.
Crowder needs to get involve in the offense.
I don't expect Rose and Wade in offense but they need to blend on team chemistry like Parker and Ginobli do in Spurs.
Im very dissapoonted with Coach Lue, if he still lose he needs to step down asap.


 

 

25 Oct 2017 15:31:43
Bledsoe, Cavs, and Philly.....I'm reading and all I can say is: These guys must have made these moves on 2K and think it would translate to the real NBA. Bledsoe. Request a trade is one thing, but denying it and subliminally asking again says a lot about character. A large market team isn't a good fit. Take talents somewhere low key and work with less distractions. Working wonders for D-Russ in BK. Even though BK is a nice market, rather small compared to L.A. Maybe a team like Denver, Utah, or Chicago.
Cavs.....stand pat. It will all come together. Defense is there. Shooting is there, scoring is there, bench production is there. Stay healthy, block out the noise and I have y'all beating the Warriors in 6. They have the assets to get anyone they want really but at the risk of there future. I see everyone coming back after they win. Lebron signing a 1-PO after everyone else re-signs and drafting a stud with that BK pick. Cleveland and GS do the best out of 5 and both teams break up their bands and make the league unpredictable again.
Philly: Time to start shaping the identity. Fultz was drafted to be a cornerstone of the franchise. But they are running into the same problem OKC did when it came to Harden, Russ, and KD. Fultz will be the odd man out. It'll be easy to say Embiid because of his health but if he miraculously stays healthy for 10-12 seasons, it will be hell to pay cause that's a bad dude. So here's the dilemma: Have a #1 pick buy into coming off the bench or use as trade bait to find shooters and 3-D players? I say trade to let him build his confidence. Example of what I mean: Jeremy Lamb and Perry Jones in OKC. They basically were used to come in for KD....Name a backup for any superstar that made contributions after leaving their shadows? I'll wait. Jones and Lamb were easily slated to be avg or maybe above avg players. Hopefully Fultz get his shot elsewhere...Before anyone says anything, I know he backs up Bayless but who runs the offense....Simmons. They could be like Lebron and Kyrie but it's too early in both of their careers to make that kind of sacrifice

Lj29

1.) 25 Oct 2017 18:02:31
I disagree with you on Bledsoe. The team is terrible and at this point it's affecting his value. The organization has been dangling him in trade talks for going on two years. I don't blame him for asking out. I think he backtracked to help the Suns honestly. The more dire the situation sounds for them, the less likely they'll get any where close to equal value for him.

The Cavs could challenge GS, but the chances that they beat them are pretty slim if GS is even mildly healthy. If the right guy comes available, Cleveland should pull the trigger on the Brooklyn pick, but trading it for a moderate upgrade would be counterproductive.

OKC traded Harden because of cheap ownership. They weren't at risk of hitting the hard cap even if they signed their big 3 and Ibaka. They didn't want to pay luxury tax. After years of tanking to get where they are now there, I doubt Philly can afford to disappoint their fan base by not going into the luxury and that's atleast 4 years away. It's not a problem at all right now. Especially given the clauses in Embiid's contract. Fultz's injury is really keeping him from being a decent player. They should sit him and let him heal.

Eric Bledsoe would be one that become a solid starter from out of CP's shadow. Reggie Jackson. Its hard when the rule is that they have to leave. Typically once the organization just chooses the younger player over the older one if they are good or just has one play a different position.


 

 

07 Sep 2017 23:49:44
I've been going on and on about the Celtics for some time now....as I stated: they have dropped the ball big time. Others were saying build for the future while I was saying Cash IN! That building for the future is gone now. Not only have they ruined the reputation of loyalty by trading IT, but they gave up the BK pick which could easily be Michael Porter(google if you're unfamiliar) to a team you're trying to catch up to. I'm sorry, Kyrie is instant buckets but I'll pick D-Rose, Calderon and IT over the Cavs PGs of last year, not to mention the assets(picks, Zizic and Crowder) So now, they had a chance to cash in, but dropped that horribly. Maybe 4th in the East.....my prediction

Lj29

1.) 08 Sep 2017 03:04:44
I think your over stating how bad it was for the Celtics. Yeah, the Cavs got a huge return from them, but Irving fits their timeline far better than IT (he's also going to be a better play in the future, if he isn't already) . Crowder wasn't part of the future with the Celtics committing a ton one way or another to Tatum, Brown, and Hayward. Zizic should be a solid prospect, but he's expendable. Really, the only big asset in Boston's eyes they gave up was the Brooklyn first. The Cavs won the trade, but it wasn't awful for the Celtics.

It's hard to predict where they'll finish in the East. They'll have almost a whole new team this year and it will
take time to figure it out, but they should be a top 4 seed and by the time the playoffs roll around things should be clicking. If that's the case, I think it's another Cavs Celtics ECFs.


2.) 08 Sep 2017 19:10:04
Help me understand this timeline thing that I've been hearing about on ESPN. Timeline to do what? Only way they're making it out the East in the next 4 years is if Lebron leaves. I don't care what angle you look at it. Trading their top two defensive players didn't make any sense. I know they needed room to sign Hayward but they had 3 SF's. I was all for breaking up that logjam but not for Kyrie. He's a beast but even with time to gel as a team, he's not going to make the younger guys better.


3.) 08 Sep 2017 20:01:48
The players that the Celtics really hope to build around are fairly young. Guys like Brown and Tatum are probably 3 or 4 years from really becoming high level players. Irving is a guy that bridges the gap between those guys and Horford and Hayward. His timeline fits perfectly with what the Celtics need out of a star player. I also think Irving is a better passer than given credit for. When playing beside Lebron, he was playing close to a two guard than a point. He sees the court well and will make great passes at times, but he does need to be reigned in. He'll start to fall in love with dribble penetrating and once inside at times he'll force his shot up no matter what. The only good news about that is he's an elite finisher and those shots will go down at a suprisingly high rate for his size and lack of ability to play above the rim. The guy has all the skills to become a 25 and 8 type player. Also, on the defensive end, if he ever commits himself, with his hand eye coordination ( just look at how often he continue dribbling a ball after it's been tipped or hits a foot) he should be able to improve his steal rate, he's a solid athlete, he's strong and has solid size at the point. He has the potential to become a good defender. He's show some of his potential in the finals the past few years. If he ever really committed himself to it, he could be good on that end. The only thing stopping him is himself.


4.) 09 Sep 2017 17:50:49
Boston should have traded for PG13,
I wouldn't trade Irving for this package. The only reason why they did this, is saving money. ( Unless IT's injury is very serious)

They should have kept IT and give him a max contract, or let him walk if they could draft Doncic.
Zizic can become the rebounder they needed.
Crowder was on a good contract too

Boston could have drafted Doncic and Porter with those two picks.


5.) 11 Sep 2017 00:57:04
I guess I'm looking at it as far as the skill set around Kyrie. In Cleveland, he had (Lebron and TT) that ran the floor well with him and played above the rim and knockdown shooters around him. That was the idea situation. Wanna talk about bridging gaps. It was gifted wrapped for him after Lebron left (He's leaving again) Everyone says Lebron ruined the league with the super team thing but Boston just intensified it with their disloyalty to their players. Players are going to do things a lot differently when it comes to trade demands and free agency. Watch. Answer this: the Celtics are building around 2 youngsters that play the same position as the person they just have a max contract. Where's the logic in that. Now what's going to happen is: if they do develop those players effectively, Haywards productivity will fall and so will his trade value. And at the end of it all, the timeline will be pointless because now you're stuck between which players to keep when it's their turn to re-up. As currently constructed, Kyrie has a better chance leading the league in scoring than leading them to a playoff series victory. He is who he is. I've seen Kyrie go a game without an assist before. Common fact he's a liability on defense. you can have all the hand-eye coordination you want, if you don't commit to defense, you will not be good at it. And if he does "suddenly " commit, I assure you it will take away from areas of his game. And this is coming from a Kyrie fan. But I'm a realist as well. All I'm saying is they went for the wrong big fish, the timeline angle is a way to justify their decision and it's going to affect the league Starting as early as this season. It's a business, true, but when you have a player, you also have a players family too. All IT did and put on that floor, losing his sister and playing the next day, Jae dealing with an ill parent. then have to uproot his support system, that's not a good look from a franchise that is supposed to be the standard of player appreciation. Watch what happens. Karma is a mutha.


 

 

22 Jul 2017 16:22:48
Ok. Cleveland.....time to do the unthinkable, build around KEVIN LOVE. First, here's who to keep..Kyle Korver, Channing Frye, Jose Calderon, Cedi Osman...Get rid of character issue guys. Not judging but this is a pivotal point with the franchise and it's time to take control back from Lebron...I SAID IT...

Now, build the way Dallas built around Dirk: unselfish, ball movers, tough interior, shooters. Let me start by putting a team together and then apply the trades:

PG-Mudiay
SG-Jamal Murray
SF-Ariza
PF-Love
C-Capela

Denver gets Irving
Cavs get Mudiay, Murray, Faried and 2 future 1sts

Houston gets Lebron
Cavs get Capela, Ariza, Anderson and 2 future 1sts

Let's fill the roster:

Mudiay/Calderon
Murray/Korver
Ariza/Osman
Love/Anderson/Frye
Capela

And they still have pieces to move. I think TT, JR, and Shump are too much of a liability to start fresh. This would be the beginning of something special with 4 future 1sts and trade assets.

The reason I put Bron in Houston is because there's no other reasonable place for him to go. Melo will get bought out or take a small package for Gordon and fill ins but they will play together either this year or next. Too much of a risk to see if he breaks their heart again.

Endless possibilities for Cleveland if you ask me. I know he prefers certain locations but they're simply unworkable from a basketball standpoint. LMA(Spurs) NO, Teague can't get traded till Dec(Minny), Melo (NY) NO, And unless they give up Whiteside, Dragic, and 2 future 1sts, (MIA) NO...hmmmm I'm not retyping.haha But my point....BUILD AROUND LOVE.lol

Lj29

1.) 22 Jul 2017 18:37:51
I admire the uniqueness but this would be an awful approach for Cavs. First off your acting as if Cavs need to get back control from Lebron when giving control to Lebron (which was necessary for him to come back) is the only thing that has made them relevant and easily experienced the best years in franchise history. The only logical reason Cavs should get rid of Lebron is that they fear losing him for nothing next season. Cavs are now faced with a pivotal decision in how they move forward from this point and it does enable a unique opportunity to build a team how you want from the ground up if they choose to blow things up.

I wouldn't use the Mavs as a model for my rebuild or Love as my center piece since the NBA has long changed. Warriors are the golden standard with their shooting and guys like Green and Iguodala who can defend basically any position. Shooting is at a premium and so are big men with defensive versatility to play pick and roll (due to these two factors the pf and center positions have over gone a major overhaul) . I think Love is a difficult player to build around due to his lack of defense and since offensively he can't really create his own shot he is stuck with standing behind 3pt line (which can easily be replaced by lesser players like it has by Channing Frye at times) or posting up (which is becoming rare as it stifles movement and ball flow) . Mudiay as well as a non-shooter at the point guard position puts a strain on the spacing (not to mention his slow development thus far) .

I wouldn't be completely against Cavs dealing both Kyrie and James but this resulting team is fairly underwhelming with no superstar top level prospect coming back in either deal. I think Lebron would fetch a lot more than that since he is still the best player in the NBA and you could literally put him on any team in the east and they'd be favorites to make it to the finals.

I think the ideal move for Cavs would be to deal Kyrie for a combination of pieces that would keep the Cavs competitive this season (there is a slim chance they could actually improve from dealing Irving if they bring in more defense and depth) and keep them in contention for Lebron to resign. The pieces they get back should have solid resale value (not too old or an expiring deal) so that if Lebron did leave they could move those pieces (and Love and TT) and then hit a hard reset but already have some assets to rebuild with.


2.) 23 Jul 2017 00:18:55
True, Mudiay is behind the learning curve a lil but most PGs find it once they play for former PGs. Love isn't the ideal player to build around but he's the only one Cleveland has a chance to convince to stay. Love and trade returns would be in the middle of the East easily. Anything you get for Irving isn't going to put them closer to G. S. Actually demanding a trade brings your value down right? But it's too big of a risk to see if Lebron re-signs. Better now and get something back.

You're right, how Dallas won it is a thing of the past but it makes you competitive in the East. Atlanta resembled them couple of years back. Right now, it's all about ticket sales and being competitive. If a fire sale goes down, whole fan base turns on the city. Anything can happen in the East. Absolute best time to flip players with character issues that would reject the notion of a partial rebuild. JR, Shump, TT.

Boston, Toronto, Washington, Milwaukee. who else would be better if they built around Love? More assets and draft picks only gets them closer to contending in the East.


3.) 23 Jul 2017 00:36:18
Lebron is worth more than that trade but I thought PG13 was worth more than Oladipo and Sabonis? It's all about location. Houston will be the only team to bite. CP3 on a one year deal. who bites without a sign and trade? Houston trying to bring the band together (Wade, Melo, LBJ, CP3 with Harden) i'm sure some ring chasing vets would tag along. If not this year wait until next year. I think their wheels are really turning. All Lebron had to do was say, "get my friends here by any means" and they would already be in Cleveland. But he saw how special Kyrie was and saw the potential and uniqueness of the situation. Now Lebron has to feel like, "No New Friends "lol and join his guys in a farewell 5 season tour. Wade and Melo have about 2-3 years max in them. I'm giving LBJ and CP3 about 5 at a productive level. It's coming. 15 years later, a movie comes out. lol

If by chance you're famous and can get that out there, I just need a couple hundred. i'm not greedy. haha.


4.) 23 Jul 2017 13:32:41
Personally I'm not a fan of building just a good team that sells tickets. Its ok to be in that phase if your a team that is growing but for a mature team like Atlanta was a few years back I think its kind of purgatory knowing your team will make the playoffs but have no shot at getting out of the east unless Lebron got hurt. You named 4 teams that would be better than that Cavs team and that is my point they wouldn't even be likely to get out of the 1st round with that lineup. Now its not too old so there is some room for growth if Raptors decline but not too much upside. I think they would be better off keeping Lebron and making one last serious run at a ring then if Lebron left do a hard reset and try to build the team from the ground up through the draft and hope their scouts can identify another potential superstar.

I don't agree that any trade of Irving will make them worse especially if you are considering the short term. Irving although an incredibly gifted offensive player doesn't give you much else. Moving him for someone like Bledsoe (who is a 20+ ppg scorer and elite defender when healthy) + other pieces (likely involve a 3rd team that would provide more win-now talent to Cavs for Phoenix young pieces) or IT (elite scorer) + other pieces like Crowder (and draft pick (s) ) I think are two scenarios where Cavs could get better by improving defensively and their depth while not downgrading significantly at pg slot. I think moving Love who has been largely ineffective against Warriors would be another way for Cavs to close the gap.

Now that you mention it Cavs are unlikely to get much of anything back for Lebron since he has a no-trade clause (encounter similar situation Knicks are with Melo although not quite as bad since Lebron is a much better player) . I'm not certain who Lebron would put on his shortllist of teams he'd allow himself to be traded to but I'm sure he wouldn't allow the team to gut their roster to get him. Lebron may choose to play with his friends but I think it would be an unwise move with him still in his prime where he should be chasing rings and trying to surround himself with better if not younger talent (Wades decline is why he left Miami) .


5.) 23 Jul 2017 14:52:46
This is a great idea. While it is true Kevin love is diminished from the player he was in Minnesota. They had great success building a franchise around him and the cavs can have similar success! Yes you won't ever make the playoffs and will just be an embarrassment. But hey, you'll have one all star with bloated stats. And that ain't bad!


 

 

 

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08 Dec 2017 23:47:39
I’m gone keep my brain cells and not comment. Wait, I did.

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06 Nov 2017 17:32:08
1. According to trade machine, the numbers work. 5 million difference. If need be, it could be fine tuned.

2. Clear path to the finals, true, but the Warriors are going to win it. Hands down.

3. They’ll be fine. Again, you are right. But isn’t that just settling when you have an opportunity to set your franchise up for the future? Going to the finals is an incredible feat but we all know the outcome. For Lebron’s reason to go is to have a year playing the same system GS runs, grow familiar to Ball and Kuzma’s playing styles, and the next year, bring in some more talent. PG13 and Boogie. Give those legs some rest Lebron. If the Lakers do make the playoffs, not getting out of the first round with Lebron. Take early exit to get some rest mentally and physically and go hard after it 18-19.

4. Kuzma and Nance has more upside than Ingram. Not saying Ingram can’t be a stud, that would be the prize to pay to get a player like Lebron. But Kuzma and Nance has more upside playing alongside Bron and Ball. Sign Lopez at a reasonable price over the offseason, get two max contract players in, 2 shooters and that team has the best chance to beat GS. Name a team better.

Also Cleveland can grow past the Lebron era. If Lebron is there, you think IT re-signing? If Lebron wasn’t there, u think Dwade would be there? I say that to say, you get away from the players past there prime riding the coattails to the finals and add youth and talent to your franchise. And winning with that formula only brings more talent and youth. Reference GS. Moved past Ellis and Jackson and went for youth. Youth grew, won a ship and added KD. Put thought into it.

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24 Sep 2017 20:19:38
I can see Lebron going there. Lebron has nothing to prove at this put of his career is the reason I can see him leaving. Media has always driven the debate of whose the GOAT that pushed the greats to achieve the accolades, but what does that really accomplish?

I think with the politics that are being pushed into sports, I think a lot of the superstars that are on their last hoorah are going to play with who they want and where. Magic in L.A is a good selling point to Lebron as far as life after basketball. Not to mention the cap space to bring in others. He's also a student of the game. All that history behind the Purple and Gold is a lot to pass up at this stage of his career.

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18 May 2017 11:42:15
So Philly gives up Okafor and a draft pick to go up 2 spots to draft a point guard. not to mention, Simmons is projected to be the PG. 🤔.

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15 May 2017 18:59:10
Not a C's fan. A Hayward-Stevens reunion just seems too obvious. The reason I say AD would be the one leaving N. O is because he would bring back the most assets. N. O got DMC for some leggos and a skateboard. N. O could at least gain another face of the franchise with high draft picks for the next 2 years just in case DMC doesn't want to stay around for the ride.

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