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23 Sep 2018 11:41:01
Milwaukee gets Butler, Teague, Dieng
Minnesota gets Bledsoe, Brogdon, Snell, Maker, Henson, MIL 2022 1st

Minny replaces Butler with proven Brogdon, another x-Thibs wing Snell and young prospect Maker.
They make a slight upgrade with exp and cheaper Bledsoe over overpaid Teague.
They cut costs with Dieng/Henson swap.
They send Butler out of the conference, while getting a pick which could be even a lottery one if things don't come together for the Bucks.

Bledsoe/Rose/Jones
Brogdon/Snell/Okogie
Wiggins/Deng/Bates-Diop
Gibson/Tolliver/Maker
KAT/Henson/Patton

Bucks make the best Top 3 in the East. Teague is a Bud player and Dieng fits better than Henson in his plans, so it's OK. Only problem is that they will have to go deep in the tax next season to keep the team together. It's also OK since it will be for one year as Teague, Delly, Ilyasova combine 35 mil expiring the next.

Teague/Dellavedova/Frazier
Butler/Brown/DDV
Middleton/Connaughton/Muhammad
Giannis/Ilyasova/Wilson
Lopez/Dieng/Zeller or Wood

milpso

1.) 23 Sep 2018 15:00:43
Don't think money is anywhere close to working.


2.) 23 Sep 2018 16:26:38
It's 54,6 coming out of Minessota and 41,3 in. Somehow it works in the machine. Maybe a filler like Zeller could be needed to be fully legal.


3.) 23 Sep 2018 18:03:22
@milpso, Butler is looking for a 4 year 152 Mil. contract. (Kind of like what KAT received for 5 years 38 mil. per year) Now, what about Middleton? What does he receive next year? It appears Butler would just be a one year rental at best. Giannis makes 25 mil per year, Sooner or later you either have to pay Middleton, or trade him. then what? max out Butler?


4.) 23 Sep 2018 18:53:23
If the fit is right and the Bucks play the finals you pay both Butlet and Middleton and go deep in the tax for one year. In 2020 many deals expire and the luxury tax will be at 140 million. Bucks can afford with the new arena to pay big for such a team for one year.


5.) 24 Sep 2018 00:41:00
Too much coming from Miami. They won't trade both Richardson and Winslow. Winsolw and Whiteside and Miami 1st. would work.


6.) 24 Sep 2018 15:30:10
Well torque I do believe it’ll take Middleton plus to get butler so you won’t have that problem! Milpso bucks ain’t reaching the finals even with jimmy and Middleton.


 

 

20 Sep 2018 17:48:43
MIL - MIN - MIA

Milwaukee gets Butler, Dieng
Minnesota get Whiteside, Brogdon, Snell
Miami get Dellavedova, Henson

Minnesota gets Whiteside to backup KAT at 5 and play together some minutes with Towns at 4. They replace Butler with Brogdon at sg and add another wing that Thib knows.

Miami gives even more space to Bam by replacing Whiteside with Henson, who would fit in that role. They also add one more pg to play behind 32 years old Dragic. They cut 4.5 mil, which will help them with small moves avoid the tax.

milpso

1.) 20 Sep 2018 18:14:50
I like the trade but, At best Butler would be no more than a 1 year rental. It would however take Henson, Dellavedova, Brogdan, Snell off the books if nothing else.


2.) 20 Sep 2018 23:56:45
Miami wants Butler. I don't see them playing second fiddle in a deal for Butler. Besides, Whiteside is much better than Hensen, Dellevadova. Miami says No.


3.) 21 Sep 2018 02:37:20
@Warlock, The difference between Whiteside, and Henson, Is Henson is not a "head Case" On or Off the court. But Whiteside, Henson, and Dellavedova are all overpaid! You can call Whiteside the better player, But Henson and Dellavedova would be better Team mates, and would actually play in the 4th quarter, unlike Whiteside who usually gets benched in the 4th quarter.


4.) 22 Sep 2018 01:56:29
Are you kidding. Henson would never be a starter. If Whiteside is healthy, he will be a top 5 center, headcase or not. Dellavedova would get about as many minutes as Luol Deng.

Heat are about improving their team. I'm sure they have rejected much better offers for Whiteside. This deal makes them worse.


 

 

17 Sep 2018 23:19:14
MIL - MIN - ORL

Milwaukee get Butler, Dieng
Minnesota get Brogdon, Snell, Vucevic, ORL 2019 2nd, MIL 2020 2nd
Orlando get Bledsoe, Zeller

Bucks make their Big 3 with Giannis, Butler and Middleton. They will have to slip DiVicenzo into starting pg or roll with Dellavedova.

Minny replace Butler with Brogdon and give the keys again to KAT-Wiggins. They get rid off Dieng's deal, while upgrading with Vuc. They get one more wing that Thibs had in Bulls and two 2nds.

Magic get a starting pg they need. They also make more room for Bamba, having behind him Mozgov, Birch and Zeller.

milpso

1.) 18 Sep 2018 01:27:23
I don't hate this idea.
Bucks give up two expiring players, an over paid wing and a 2nd for a top 10/ 20 player and a bad contract - would say yes

Wolves get 2 quality starters for a player who looks to be gone for by the end of the year and shave 5m/ year between Dieng and Snell - may lean towards a no (may ask for Brogdon + Middleton)

Magic get a good starting PG and clear C mins for their youth. - would say yes.


2.) 18 Sep 2018 02:31:39
I believe the Bucks would also agree to this trade! Snell has gone down since last year, Brogdan also has gone down since Bledsoe arrived and Brogdan loss the starting PG job to him. Zeller will either be cut or traded replaced by C Woods. Actually a cheap price to pay to get Butler!


3.) 18 Sep 2018 04:18:20
Its a great idea all around, but I think the T wolves would get greedy and ask for Middleton rather than Snell.


4.) 18 Sep 2018 14:41:36
@jaymocha I don't think Milwaukee would send Middleton in a trade for Butler. Both are to similar type of players.


5.) 18 Sep 2018 15:14:30
I don't see any way Minny trades Butler to the Bucks without Middleton unless there's at least one (probably two) firsts going to Minny. Brogdon has moderate value, Snell is maybe worth a second rounder (though, maybe his value is negative a second rounder), Zeller is a throw in.

Butler is a clear upgrade over Middleton. And since they're both expiring deals, it makes sense to move one for the other.


6.) 18 Sep 2018 15:50:57
Trading Middleton with Butler won't put Milwaukee into a much better situation since they will still be with Bledsoe at their Top 3 minus an asset (let's say Brogdon) . Also, Giannis could be left alone next year since Middleton is much more likely to remain a Buck. IMO Butler would stay in Milwaukee only in a team with Giannis and Middleton, because that would give him a real chance for a ring.


7.) 18 Sep 2018 17:50:48
The Bucks have 4 options if a Middleton/ Butler swap is possible:

Trade for Butler and pair him with Giannis. You're a top 3 team in the east. Resign Butler and stay a really good team that probably can't compete for a championship.

Trade for Butler, have one good year, and then he bolts. Now you're a lottery team. And you have a really good chance of Giannis asking out or leaving.

Keep Middleton, he resigns for an enormous deal that makes him overpaid, and you're a good team that is a 4-8 seed in the east again. And you have a really good chance of Giannis asking out or leaving.

Keep Middleton, and he walks. Now you're a lottery team again. And you have a really good chance of Giannis asking out or leaving.

I'd roll the dice on getting the better player, sacrificing the role player (Brogdon) and the increased likelihood of losing that player. I think the only way the Bucks convince Giannis to sign his next extension is if he has an all star by his side. Middleton isn't that player.


8.) 18 Sep 2018 19:13:21
Middleton defense not on Butler level. Middleton can shoot better. But Middleton a top 35 while Butler a top 15. Middleton is trying to go from role player to all star while Butler been an All star. But I give Middleton props over years he improved his shooting greatly over the years and last year lead league in true shooting. I like Middleton but he not similar to Butler he a tier or two under Butler. But he no longer a role player he a borderline all star. I want to see that play off play in the season.


 

 

13 Sep 2018 18:28:33
NYK gets Butler
MIN get THJ, Ntilkina, 2019 1st

Knicks do it if they are convinced that they will sign Irving after that. They will be at 25 mil with Lee, Knox, Robinson, Noah (stretched), which leaves 83 mil for Kyrie, Butler, Porzingis to share.

Minnesota remain competitive for the playoffs and they add two interesting assets in Ntilkina and that pick.

milpso

1.) 13 Sep 2018 19:27:42
Lance Thomas and Dotson are still also on the books for next year, make it $73M.

I don’t see Frank and a 1st moving the scale with THJ’s deal. There are other teams that would have interest in bringing Butler in to get to work early on convincing him to resign that have better assets. The Lakers could give up an expiring deal with Ingram or Kuzma/ Hart and a pick for example. The Knicks would have to be really bad, and Frank would have to improve quite a bit for the Wolves to jump on this.


2.) 13 Sep 2018 20:15:51
I think you’ve been gaslighted by Shizzee to many times.


3.) 13 Sep 2018 22:20:29
I think Thomas and Dotson are not guaranteed @triangle. Also this weird situation with Butler feels that it will be hard for Minny to find a fair offer, so they will have to compromise or loose him for nothing.
As for the Lakers it seems to me that they are not willing to give up any of their assets. They are set to sign Kawhi and fill their roster again with vets.


4.) 14 Sep 2018 13:14:09
Milspo, both Dotson and Thomas are guaranteed for next year, take a look at Basketball Reference if you would like confirmation.

I’m a Knicks fan, so I’m not trying to spew Lakers agenda, I’m just pointing out that there are better deals for Butler that are conceivably out there.


 

 

12 Sep 2018 23:23:32
Phoenix: Dellavedova, take off protections from MIL 1st
Milwaukee: Arthur

The Suns need starting and backup pg. They have now only Okobo. Dellavedova with help them until they fix this and will give some vet guidance needed for their youth. Also they will be able to use that Buck's 1st in 2019 instead of waiting one more year.

Bucks clear Delly and create more cap space for 2019.

milpso

1.) 13 Sep 2018 15:50:57
I believe the Suns would pass. Plus, Why would the Bucks want Arthur?

How about;.

Milwaukee sends Brogdan (PG/ SG) to Phoenix

Phoenix sends Josh Jackson

The Suns get a former ROY in Brogdan who can play PG

The Bucks get a backup to Middleton in Jackson.


2.) 13 Sep 2018 16:17:44
@torque I think it's obvious that Bucks do it to unload Dellavedova and Arthur is in it just as an expiring. They probably waive him to keep a roster spot open. Or they keep him as third PF if it's required Wilson to be involved in that.

Also, I believe Phoenix passes in what you suggest. They are high at Jackson.


3.) 13 Sep 2018 16:34:13
milpso, Understood! Milwaukee also is high on Brogdan. But, Both Brogdan and Jackson are backups. Jackson is 3rd as a SF and 3rd as a SG. Brogdan is 2nd as a SG. Both could use a change of scenery, and some PT. Jackson would see more as a backup SF with the Bucks, that with Phoenix. Brogdan would no doubt start as the Suns PG compared to what they currently have, plus, Brogdan didn't like getting "demoted" when Bledsoe arrived as he was starting at PG before Bledsoe arrived.


4.) 13 Sep 2018 16:55:29
The problem is that Brogdon is a nice role player, while Jackson has a much higher ceiling. If Phoenix ever wants to compete, the worst trade they could make is a trade moving away top end talent potential for a better fit now.

Perhaps how high the Bucks are on Brogdon isn't really a good thing either. If you think they're close players, you're too biased. Brogdon won ROY by default, he might be the weakest ROY in NBA history.

In Jackson's rookie year, he averaged 19 and 6 after the all star break. He has the talent to be an all star caliber player. You don't trade that for much. Definitely not for a guy that would be possibly the worst starting PG in the NBA if moved into a starting role.


5.) 13 Sep 2018 17:22:15
Agree @Bmiller. I like Brogdon a lot, but as 6th player in 8-10 mil/ y contract. We know what Brogdon is, but we don't know what Jackson can become, so it would be dumb for the Suns to make a move like that at this point.


6.) 13 Sep 2018 17:26:35
@Bmiller66, Right now, Brogdan either starts at SG or is the 1st off the bench. Jackson has 2 in front of him at SF or SG. As far as his high ceiling, Agreed! but, Just when will he get the chance to show everyone? Now, Just how did Brogdan win the ROY by default? Was there no other rookies considered? The weakest ROY? Did Jackson get ROY? And you call me biased?


7.) 13 Sep 2018 18:28:20
He won it by default because that rookie class was horrible. Embiid played like 20 games. Saric and Brogdon were nice players. Buddy Heild was 4th. Simmons, Mitchell, Tatum, Kuzma, and Dennis Smith Jr would all beat Brogdon if you compare rookie years from this year's voting to Brogdon's year. 2016 was Towns, Porzingis, Jokic, Okafor, Booker. Again, Brogdon doesn't get a vote that year. Find me a worse ROY in recent NBA history. And if Jackson was a rookie in 2016-2017 with those stats, he's the ROY without a doubt.

How is Jackson the third string on that team realistically? He was putting up 19 a game last year, he'll find a starting role or at least 6th man. He won't sit behind Ariza, Warren, and Ryan Anderson all season. ESPN has him #2 PF right now behind Anderson. That won't last. If they go small ball, he's a starter.

I do call you biased. I can't be biased in this conversation, as I don't care about the Suns or the Bucks.


8.) 13 Sep 2018 19:37:53
Why does ESPN have a SF at PF? Really? Answer me this Bmiller66. If the Suns were so high on Jackson, why did they draft another SF (Z. Smith) then trade him to Philly for another SF M Bridges, Then, trade for another SF in Ariza? If they needed a PG? The games you are talking about that Jackson played and scored a lot are after the NBA break. The Suns knew they had no chance of winning, so they played Jackson. who else on the Suns was scoring? Here's a thought, Instead of taking names, and putting them into a trade machine, try looking up the team, their history, and their actual needs!


9.) 13 Sep 2018 20:19:25
Torque, all of those guys can play multiple positions. The league has been dominated by wings. Getting the best wings you can isn’t a ridiculous idea.


10.) 13 Sep 2018 20:27:47
They drafted a SF because you can never have enough SFs (ask Boston) . Wings are the most needed player type in the NBA by far. You can play 3 or even 4 at once.

Also, you draft best player available in the NBA. Drafting based on needs ends up with someone taking Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan because you already have a star SG.

And again, the positional needs on a team like Phoenix is pointless. They simply don't have enough talent. Trading a more talented player at a position of strength for a much less talented player at a position you don't have a starter at is the path to being the Knicks of the last 20 years for the rest of your life.

They played Jackson because he was the #4 pick in the draft and they want to see if they have a good player. Turns out that they do from the second half of last season. It's not like scoring 19 ppg in the NBA is easy, even on a bad team. Factor in he was 20, and it's really impressive.


11.) 13 Sep 2018 22:18:57
I'm sorry, I disagree. Well who knows? maybe Jackson can finally move off the bench, and play PG? Since its been stated that Phoenix isn't concerned about positions? Then, next year, Phoenix can look for more SF's? Enjoy the rest of your evenings!


12.) 13 Sep 2018 22:57:15
Are rkenne16 and Bmiller66 double team trolling? 3 of you have to posit the same argument to one guy. I don't always agree with you torque/ darkside but rkenne16 and bmiller66 are either the same user or are disturbingly fond of one another.


13.) 13 Sep 2018 23:48:59
@Btec, Not sure who darkside is? But, No problem! I think the Suns need another SF (Wing Player) Like they need more "Cowbell" I'm not sure if they are the same person, And actually don't care if they are. I look at teams, Not the "Trade Machine! "


14.) 13 Sep 2018 23:49:10
@Btec, Not sure who darkside is? But, No problem! I think the Suns need another SF (Wing Player) Like they need more "Cowbell" I'm not sure if they are the same person, And actually don't care if they are. I look at teams, Not the "Trade Machine! "


15.) 14 Sep 2018 16:13:13
Is it that crazy that two people on this site understand the value of wings in the modern NBA? How many wings do the Warriors have (let's see, Thompson, Durant, Green, Iggy, Livingston, Looney, McCaw, Young, wow, that's a lot! ) . Or maybe Boston (Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Smart, Morris) .


16.) 14 Sep 2018 18:33:06
Hello Bmiller66, Currently Phoenix has Ariza, Warren, Jackson, Bridges, Booker, Daniels, King, Melton, and Reed. That's only 9 wings. I can see why you think they need more! The Bucks currently have Moiddleton, Antetokounpo, Snell, Brogdan, Brown, Connaughton, Barnett, DiVicenzo, Duval, Morris and Munford, That's only 11 wings, I can see them also needing more right?


 

 

 

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03 Sep 2018 21:15:49
PHO - MIN - MIL

Phoenix get Teague, Henson
Phoenix give Chandler, Bender, Canaan, Bucks 1st

Suns get a reliable starting pg. They loose a 1st for that, but they already have much talent to develop

Teague/Okobo/Melton
Booker/Jackson/Daniels
Ariza/Bridges/Reed
Warren/Anderson/Holmes
Ayton/Henson/Arthur

Minnesota get Bledsoe, Snell, Brogdon, Bender, Chandler, Bucks 1st
Minnesota give Teague, Butler, Dieng

Wolves commit with KAT and Wiggins and clear a ton of money. They can still make a run for the playoffs with Bledsoe, Brogdon combo.

Bledsoe/Jones/Rose
Brogdon/Snell/Okogie
Wiggins/Nunnaly/Bates-Diop
Gibson/Tolliver/Bender
Towns/Chandler/Patton

Milawukee get Butler, Dieng, Canaan
Milwaukee give Bledsoe, Brogdon, Snell, Henson

Bucks get the best player in the deal. Butler will be better off with Giannis IMO. Milwaukee will have to start Delly, but this can be fixed at the deadline and Bud can use Giannis as pg.

Dellavedova/Canaan/Duval
Butler/Brown/DeVincenzo
Middleton/Connaughton/Muhammad
Giannis/Ilyasova/Wilson
Lopez/Dieng/Maker

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18 Jun 2018 11:51:49
Lebron opt in and trade scenarios. They are not ideal for Cavs of course since he can walk for nothing. I cut out GSW, Houston, Miami, Boston as i find it extremely unlikely for a trade

1. Lakers
Cavs get Deng, Ball, 25th, 47th

This is tricky because the Cavs can push for Kuzma also, assuming Lebron wants to recruit bot Paul and George

2. Knicks
Cavs get Noah, Thomas, 9th

It's not so bad for the Cavs since they get back to back 8th and 9th. Noah helps the two years tanking which gives two more lottery picks. Cavs can also trade something like Love for Parsons and 4th maybe. Knicks can trade Porzignis, Ntilkina for Leonard

3. Clippers
Cavs get Gallinari, 12th, 13th

Better for the Cavs. Two high picks and a servicable player. Beverly, Lou, Harris, Lebron, Jordan is a team that allows the King to compete

4. Spurs
Cavs get Aldridge, White, 24th

These are the only pieces that would interest the Cavs, but still not enough to be in the tax zone

5. Washington
Cavs get Gortat, Morris, Oubre, 15th

Oubre and 15th might interest the Cavs, since they only take two servicable expiring contracts

6. Milwaukee
Cavs get Snell, Henson, Maker, Brogdon, 17th

Something alike to the Wizards but with not expiring Snell and Henson

milpso

1.) 18 Jun 2018 13:57:07
The Cavs aren't going to take on that kind of salary in any Lebron trade. There first goal if Lebron leaves for the Cavs is to get under the luxury.


2.) 18 Jun 2018 17:43:54
After each one of these they go around 135 mil. They can unload then one contract for a 2nd or stretch one and get under the luxury.


3.) 18 Jun 2018 20:43:05
Unloading 15 to 20 million isn't going to be easy right now. A ton of teams want to unload salary and there aren't many teams willing or able to take it on. It's going to cost about as much as or more than the what they're getting back in most of these trades. The Cavs would have to get a ton back in any Lebron s and t that has to match salaries. I'd be happy with any young assets that they could get back because it's not my money, but looking at realistically, it's hard to imagine.


 

 

25 May 2018 08:38:01
There is a saying in Europe that Doncic wants to play in the NBA only for a playoff team. So if the Suns choose Ayton, he is not really into playing for SAC or ATL.

That said, he could fall at No4, which Memphis is reported to be willing to trade. In Europe it is also said that Lakers, Bulls, Spurs and Bucks are interested in Doncic.

What trades would you suggest?

milpso

1.) 25 May 2018 10:31:02
From what I have heard the Kings aren't interested in Doncic. I find it odd for the potential top pick of the draft to say he wants to play for a playoff team. You rarely have a playoff team drafting in top 5 of lottery. Also not a good look if he is already trying to force a trade. I hear his stock has slipped and he's not real athletic. I can't imagine any logical trade scenarios in a situation like this especially involving an overseas prospect.


2.) 25 May 2018 15:56:12
Doncic has little chance of demanding a trade before his on court performance is viewed. Lots of guys can't jump real high and are great nba players. His athleticism is there he has coordination all over the place. Ayton can't jump either, yet gets credit for moving well. Doncic can step back, crossover, shoot the 3. He's not slow mo like Kyle Anderson either.


3.) 01 Jun 2018 03:32:15
Kobe did it and didn't have three million s year in europe to run too. Doncic has more power than you think. Says he signs in eurooe any team that drafts him loses him for three years and wated a pick. I see him going to memphis.


 

 

06 May 2018 23:44:08
What if Lebron decides to join his successor in the NBA, Antetokounmbo, and his good friend Bledsoe?

I know Milwaukee is not a big market for the King like LA, but imagine him and Giannis playing together, plus he stays in the east where he has always been (only Phily could be in the question of his purchase).

The Bucks i think can afford to go over the tax for a couple of years, given their new arena and of course Lebron in this case.

Any thoughts?

milpso

1.) 07 May 2018 01:27:33
It'd be interesting, I'd worry about the lack of shooting around Lebron and Giannis. Also, it would have to be a trade since The Bucks have no cap space. What all would the Cavs want? The trade will keep them deep in the luxury, so it would need to be something pretty significant for a tanking team to be willing to pay luxury tax.


2.) 07 May 2018 17:32:50
MIL could make cap room for Lebron if they first talked Miami into accepting Henson, Delly, Snell for Whiteside - which is not impossible - and maybe give up on Wilson for any pick.


3.) 07 May 2018 17:53:21
The cap will be at 100 million next year. The Bucks without Parker have 107 million committed. After your suggested trade they would have about 102 million committed. Wilson would open up 3 more million. That would give Milwaukee 1 millionish to sign Lebron? They would have to gut the roster to open up 35 million.


 

 

 

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23 Sep 2018 18:53:23
If the fit is right and the Bucks play the finals you pay both Butlet and Middleton and go deep in the tax for one year. In 2020 many deals expire and the luxury tax will be at 140 million. Bucks can afford with the new arena to pay big for such a team for one year.

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23 Sep 2018 16:26:38
It's 54,6 coming out of Minessota and 41,3 in. Somehow it works in the machine. Maybe a filler like Zeller could be needed to be fully legal.

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18 Sep 2018 15:50:57
Trading Middleton with Butler won't put Milwaukee into a much better situation since they will still be with Bledsoe at their Top 3 minus an asset (let's say Brogdon) . Also, Giannis could be left alone next year since Middleton is much more likely to remain a Buck. IMO Butler would stay in Milwaukee only in a team with Giannis and Middleton, because that would give him a real chance for a ring.

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14 Sep 2018 15:32:15
I don't understand all these Davis trades. I consider him and Antetokounmpo the most untouchable players in the NBA right now.

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13 Sep 2018 22:20:29
I think Thomas and Dotson are not guaranteed @triangle. Also this weird situation with Butler feels that it will be hard for Minny to find a fair offer, so they will have to compromise or loose him for nothing.
As for the Lakers it seems to me that they are not willing to give up any of their assets. They are set to sign Kawhi and fill their roster again with vets.

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