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15 Oct 2019 23:41:50
OKC: G Hayward+ Langford

Boston: Gallinari+Bamba+Augustin

Orl:Schroder+1rnd pick Denver (top 20 protected)+ 1rnd pick Boston(top 20 protected)

13 Oct 2019 12:01:35
Huge trades don't normally go down, but I wanted to see how this one would play out. Don't hate it for any of the teams.

Boston gets Knight, Nance, Sexton
***Knight is a gamble, but he's a big expiring deal. Opens things up to keep Brown next summer, or it allows Celtics to be a possible player in FA. Nance can fill the void they seem to be chasing at the 5. Sexton has potential and can be a great backup point.

Thunder get Thompson, Clarkson, Henson, Dellavadova
***All expiring players without giving up a pick to dump Paul. But I also like the fit at each position. Let's them chase a guy like Brown this summer or flip these at the deadline for a couple more assets.

Cavs get Paul, Hayward, Roberson, Williams, Ojeleye, Nader, Burton
***Love, Hayward, Paul all seemed to be labeled as available but almost untradeable. Why not put on one squad in the East? And honestly, they could be decent fits together. If health holds up, itd be interesting to see how they gel.

Paul, Garland, Burton
Roberson, Windler, Porter
Hayward, Osman, Nader
Love, Ojeleye
Zizic, Williams

Can fill out front court with vet minimums.

13 Oct 2019 13:44:27
Ur not getting out of cp3 contract that easily.

13 Oct 2019 14:29:24
Zizic is bad. No way can he start. Also, the Cavs giving up expirings and positive assets to get back two bad contracts without any compensation for them, probably isn’t the way that they should go.

12 Oct 2019 23:24:58
Celtics.get Adams, Lee, Nader

Mavs get Schroeder, Ojeleye, 2020 Milwaukee first via Boston

Okc gets Hayward, Williams III, Brunson

Paul, Brunson, FA
SGA, Ferguson, Diallo
Hayward, Roberson, Burton
Gallinari, Bazley, Muscala
Noel, Williams, Patton

Third point could be Felton, Harris, Lin... or they pursue another trade. But realistically, Shai is the backup point with Brunson as the third pg. This deal cuts the salary to duck luxury with room to bring in one more guy even. They have lots of shooting and enough D. With all the talk about moving their vets for assets, I wonder how they'd fair with a deal like this: pushing for a playoff spot while retaining picks.

Celtics make tons of sense for Adams. He could make all their guys better. Not a terrible contract for all he does.

Mavs add a pick.... albeit a most likely late one. They do this for the sake of adding a scoring punch to their bench as they too chase a playoff spot in the west.

11 Oct 2019 14:33:58
Boston gets Adams, Schroeder, Denver 2020 first, Miami 2021 first

Spurs get Paul and Brown

Okc gets Hayward, Derozan, Mills

11 Oct 2019 15:29:38
Why should the Spurs do that? Paul has negative value and Brown almost none because he wants a max.
OKC might not do it because Hayward has the same value than Paul (maybe even less) . But DeRozan and Mills won't make them better than Adams, Paul and Schröder. So why giving up Picks? Boston does this in a heartbeat.

11 Oct 2019 16:45:31
I doubt Paul + Brown gets you Derozen. Let alone Derozen + Mills.

12 Oct 2019 02:24:15
Fredman, Mills may be a negative asset. He’s a mediocre back up pg making 10 million and signed for 3 more years.

12 Oct 2019 13:48:01
If you say so. He looked pretty good during the World Championship and can shoot. Every team values shooting. Much rather have Mills than Schroeder.

11 Oct 2019 13:59:41
Celtics - Thunder

Celtics gets:
Adams
Schroeder
2020 1st (the worst of Thunder, Nuggets and Celtics)
2020 2nd rd pick (Thunder)
2021 2nd rd pick (Thunder)

Thunder gets:
Hayward
Williams
2020 1st (Grizzlies via Celtics)
2020 1st (the two most favorable of Thunder, Nuggets and Celtics)

11 Oct 2019 15:33:11
Hayward is trash until he proves everyone wrong. You need at least 2 1st rounders to unload him. Adams has some value so you need more than Williams here. Schröder has close to no value. He's a little overpaid, but still is one of the best backup PGs.

So maybe Hayward, Williams and 3 1st rounders (or 2 1st rounders and 2nd rounders) for Adams and Schröder.

11 Oct 2019 22:09:05
I kind of like this deal. I agree that Hayward is negative value, but since OKC is not a free agent destination, I don’t mind the gamble if the compensation is right. Where is Adams going to take OKC, anyway? Schröeder is decidedly a negative contract.

Here, OKC gets the better of the BOS and DEN picks, which is not much, but nice to move up. The two Thunder seconds have a little value in the 35-40 range, but they are still just second rounders, and could be omitted.

The jewel of this trade is the MEM pick, which is Top 6 protected this year, and fully unprotected in 2021. OKC has to love that one.

For BOS, I can see how this trade does some good, and I’m not against them using it. Exchanging Hayward for Adams certainly removes risk, as they still try to contend, and his screens would help. But is Steven Adams the player you use up the MEM pick on?

11 Oct 2019 23:43:41
To your question Shrink, my answer is a strong no. That pick is for a star. Anything else is a mistake. Boston just doesn’t get any better with this trade.

It’s just like the plethora of Blazer trades involving expiring deals and picks. If it’s not for a star, what’s the point? Both Boston and Portland are in very similar situations. They can’t swap around role players. They’re both a star from true contention. Don’t waste assets.

12 Oct 2019 04:20:49
That's stupid for OKC.
They just get the Grizzlies Pick and! maybe! a upgrade of a few spots because they can choose between the Celtics pick or the Nuggets pick (which has protection! ) while getting a 66 million contract and sending out Adams and 2 2nd rounders.

And who says the Memphis Pick is for sure in the top 10? I can remember everyone saying the same about the Kings pick from Boston the last 3 years.

Why not waiting until next offseason or the trade deadline. There are a lot of contenders looking for upgrades at Center (Lakers, Clippers, Nets, . ) . And why not looking for cap flexibility instead of taking on Hayward? Memphis did well with that.

12 Oct 2019 11:58:23
The Celtics are not trading Hayward, especially if they think he has negative trade value. They will let it ride with him. He has only this year and next. After this season he will have an expiring contract and will have more value than a player like Wall who really won't have played for 2 seasons.

08 Oct 2019 21:49:41
Knicks look like they are set in their rotation but 2 bigs that give them balance

Boston lacks 3rd string wings that young but experienced

Trier Dotson 2nd
for
Poirior Ojeleye

Payton/SmithJr/Ntilikina
Barrett/Ellington/Bullock
Morris/Knox/Brazdeikas
Randle/Portis/Ojeleye
Robinson/Gibson/Poirior

05 Oct 2019 18:51:28
Heat get Paul, Nader, Burton, Williams III
***They get Paul plus a first which should suffice. They get a few fillers too.

Celtics get Dragic, Olynyk, Roberson
***Olynyk played well for them previously. Dragic and Dre should also be solid role guys for them. Additionally, this gives them $20M in expiring for next summer.

Okc gets Hayward, Waiters, Ojeleye, Jones Jr.
***They kiss Chris Paul goodbye and create a very interesting lineup. SGA gets the keys to the offense. Roster balance is established along with a scoring hierarchy. Could be a sneaky team with still tons of picks.

SGA, Schroder
Ferguson, Waiters, Diallo
Hayward, Jones Jr.
Gallinari, Bazley, Ojeleye
Adams, Noel, Patton

05 Oct 2019 20:11:14
Forgot to put the Denver 2020 first From Okc to miami.

05 Oct 2019 21:25:15
Nicely done, Church. Looks lkke a super sweet deal. Just curious if OKC would still have to trade Gallo at the trade deadline. Can he be resigned and still remain under the luxury cap? Hope so.

04 Oct 2019 07:16:01
Portland: B Griffin

Boston: Nurkic

Detroit:Bazemore+ J Brown+1rnd pick Portland

04 Oct 2019 15:31:08
Seems like if that's the asking price, that Portland could get Griffin without giving up Nurkic (who to me has considerably more value than Brown when healthy) . Selling low on Nurkic and relying on Whiteside is a bad long term move.

Something like Whiteside, Simons, Little, and 1-2 firsts for Griffin, Morris, and Frazier. Seems like similar value to Detroit.

04 Oct 2019 16:42:29
gasupo the season is about to start Detroit is not trading Griffin.

04 Oct 2019 17:29:37
Shizzee: I would assume this is a post-Dec 15th deal, not today. I don't think any team is making a team changing trade the week before camp.

05 Oct 2019 02:23:57
Yeah Boston shouldn't be in this trade. Griffin to Portland only sense only if they keep their core.

03 Oct 2019 19:54:36
Hayward, brown, memphis pick and milwaukee pick with atlanta second rounder
For
Blake griffin and luke kennard
Boston
Kemba, wanamaker
Smart, langford
Tatum
Blake
Enes, tako fall
Detroit
Rose, reggie
Svi, brown
Jaylen, sekou
Hayward, morris
Drummond, maker
What do you think?

03 Oct 2019 20:04:09
Have to assume this is a joke.

03 Oct 2019 20:44:38
Too many players on Boston's roster that need the bsll in their hands to be effective. Walker, Tatum, Griffin, Kanter, which one is taking a step back and playing off the ball?

03 Oct 2019 21:02:42
I like it. The Celtics fans on here are all Hayward stans though.

04 Oct 2019 15:34:22
Why would this be a joke Supercollider? This puts Boston in the top 3 of the east without a doubt. If you think this is too much for Griffin, then you are severely underrating Griffin (who was third team all NBA last year) . He would probably be the best player on that team.

03 Oct 2019 14:32:24
Detroit: G Hayward+ 1rnd pick Denver

Boston: M Turner+ TJ Warren

Indy: B Griffin+ 1rnd pick Memphis


Drummond is a double double beast, but he need shooters arround him, Hayward would be a good scoring option in that team.
C: Drummond
Pf:Maker
SF:Hayward:
SG:Kennard
PG:D Rose

Boston:
C:M turner/ Kanter
PF:Tatum/theis
SF:Warren/Brown
SG:Smart/Langford
PG:Walker/Smart

Indy:
C:Sabonis/Bitadze
PF:B Griffin/Leaf
SF:McDermott/J Holiday/Lamb
SG:Oladipo/Lamb
PF:Brogdon/A Holiday

03 Oct 2019 14:49:35
The only first not owned by Denver is owned by OKC so I do not understand why there is a Denver first involved in this trade.

03 Oct 2019 21:37:57
* milwaukee pick.

03 Oct 2019 07:23:55
If Milwaukee takes a bad start and they feel Giannis wants out.

Milwaukee; J Brown+ Tatum+ Smart+ 1rnd pick Memphis.

Boston: Giannis Antetokounmpo

03 Oct 2019 15:30:20
your going to trade best player in basketball and maybe the only star willing to play in Milwaukee for those bums. accept for AD and Curry and Thompson camob no combination is worth the greek freak.

03 Oct 2019 16:52:50
Probably need at least two more firsts.

04 Oct 2019 01:45:30
Giannis isn't going anywhere. As soon as possible, The Bucks are going to max him out at 249 Mil for 5 yrs. Giannis also stated he prefers the small market, Not a big market. As stated above, You don't trade the best player in the league.

15 Oct 2019 05:38:47
If it’s not a trade to the warriors or Trail Blazers or going to link up with another star Giannis not resigning and miles well stay on his team.

02 Oct 2019 14:21:13
Boston: KAT+covington

Minny: Tatum+G Hayward+ 1rnd pick Memphis+ 1rnd pick+1rnd pick Milwaukee

02 Oct 2019 15:09:44
Boston fans will hate it, but it makes a lot of sense for both sides. And it feels pretty even.

02 Oct 2019 16:20:18
It seems fair, but i ho back to Ainge not wanting to include Tatum in a deal for AD, not sure he would do it for Towns.

02 Oct 2019 16:32:06
I don't believe for a second that Ainge wouldn't have included Tatum in a deal for Davis. That's just a bad lie. He might not have been willing to match what the Lakers traded, but if it were something like Tatum, Hayward, and a first, Ainge would have taken that without hesitation.

02 Oct 2019 16:55:12
Kind of feel like this doesn't help Minny that much. Kind of crowded between Wiggins, Tatum, Hayward and Culver.

02 Oct 2019 16:55:32
The media was saying that Tatum was made available. I don’t see why they would be lying about that. I see why the Celtics would say he wasn’t though.

02 Oct 2019 18:55:49
Covington is beast, but Towns is soft.

27 Sep 2019 15:26:28
OKC - BOS - WAS

OKC get: John Wall, Gordon Hayward, & Romeo Langford

pg. SGA (Wall)
sg. Langford
sf. Roberson
pf. Hayward/Ferguson
c. Noel

BOS get: Bradley Beal & Steven Adams

pg. Walker
sg. Beal
sf. Tatum
pf. Theis
c. Adams

WAS get: CP3, Jaylen Brown, Danilo Gallinari, & 2020 1st DP BOS

pg. CP3
sg. Brown
sf. Hachimura
pf. Gallinari
c. Bryant

27 Sep 2019 15:57:53
That is awful for OKC.

27 Sep 2019 17:32:10
That's awful for Washington.

27 Sep 2019 19:03:10
Could just be posted by a Celtics fan. No way OKC or Wizards do that.

26 Sep 2019 00:16:19
Why not try a year of Paul on the Thunder? So then try a deal like this:

Magic get Schroeder
***Insurance policy for Fultz. This is also more shot creation from the bench as I believe the Magic to be a playoff team this year. I think they'll want the scoring he can provide.

Celtics get Adams, Roberson, Isaac, Ferguson
***End the Hayward era. Reunite the Stache Bros. Adds a couple more intriguing prospects. Gives the Celtics a great wing defender for playoff time.

Thunder get Hayward, Smart, Augustin, Williams
***I like this squad. Very interesting. I believe this gets them back under the cap or at least closer. This team has shooting, defense. Decent depth. Very flippable if it doesn't work out lol.

Paul, Augustin
SGA, Smart, Burton
Hayward, Diallo, Nader
Gallinari, Bazley, Muscala
Noel, Williams, Patton

26 Sep 2019 08:47:36
No way the Magic trade Isaac for an overpaid pg.

26 Sep 2019 08:57:12
I’d rather have Augustine than Schroeder and are the Magic giving up Jonathan Isaac? That’d make this ridiculous.

24 Sep 2019 13:37:40
Detroit doens`t expect to content but will try a playoff run. Hence they do not have the CAP to extent Drummond by MAX. Since I think Boston will go after Sabonis, since he has all the tools Boston is looking for and Boston can send good 1st picks to Indiana only Mavs have a real need on a classic center. At Mavs everybody, Porzingis, the team and Drummond itself can profit from each other!

Detroit:
- Ibaka
- Justin Jackson
- 1st pick Mavs

Toronto:
- Beal

Washington:
- Hardaway
- 3x st pick Toronto

Dallas:
- Drummond
- Thomas

Ibaka can help Detoit similar to Drummond but also strech the floor behind the arc! Justion Jackson can create his shoot on the wing.

Wizards will not get much better and Beal will look to win soon! He can try to follow Leonard, a risk but also a chance for him and Toronto.

Mavs get their force in the middle and a young 3&D that can growth behind Iguodala that Mavs get in another trade. The are out of picks for the next years but have the roster to build success!

Voila.

24 Sep 2019 15:08:09
Doubt that Toronto offers that much for Beal.

Also doubt Hardaway+JustinJackson+DistantFuturePick gets Drummond.

21 Sep 2019 00:18:15
Trier Dotson
For
Kanter Ojeleye

Celtics will soon discover that they can't play small ball anchored by Kanter and win.

50 wins
Walker/Smart/Edwards
Brown/Trier/Langford
Hayward/Dotson/Brown
Tatum/G.Williams/Theiss
R.Williams/Fall/Poirier

Kanter will be leader on a knicks team wanting to win unlike last yr.

35 wins
Smithjr/Ntilikina/Payton
Barrett/Ellington/Bullock
Knox/Morris/Brazdeikas
Portis/Gibson/Ojeleye
Randle/Robinson/Kanter

21 Sep 2019 02:26:53
Doubt Dolan would allow it after Kanter commented about player perception of Knicks ownership.

21 Sep 2019 06:34:21
Outside of maybe Randle, can't see the Celtics interested in any Knicks players.

21 Sep 2019 19:02:48
Wow supercollider opening his heart to the Knicks players. Kanter of his favorite now followed by Melo.

22 Sep 2019 17:10:55
Guess there is no love for ex-Celtics named Morris.

20 Sep 2019 06:56:24
January 15 Boston/Magic

Boston Trade Jaylen Brown Gordon Hayward Robert Williams 2020 first round pick.via Boston

Magic Trade NIkola Vucevic Evan Fournier

Boston receive NIkola Vucevic Evan Fournier

Magic receive Jaylen Brown Gordon Hayward Robert Williams 2020 first round pick.via Boston

20 Sep 2019 12:19:07
Not only does Boston say no, but Ainge refuses to take any more calls from Orlando for the next five years.

20 Sep 2019 13:48:37
Easy no from Orlando. Hayward has a negative value.
Vucevic is by far the best player in the deal and Brown+ one 1st and Williams isn't enough for him especially because Brown will have to get overpaid next year. Boston has to add much more to make it work.

20 Sep 2019 17:37:00
Curious from Boston fans: Why is this so bad?

Fournier is similar to Hayward. Hayward's ceiling is higher, but Fournier is a very solid role player.

Brown is a solid young player, but no one thinks he'll ever make an all star game right?

Williams has a nice ceiling, but realistically he's a career 2.5 ppg scorer and was a late first round pick. There's a better chance he's Thomas Robinson or Noah Vonleh than he's even as good as Myles Turner when he peaks in 5-7 years.

And a late first.

And you get a top 10 center in the NBA and a guy that was an all star last year. This is a win now move, which makes sense with their other moves this offseason.

20 Sep 2019 17:57:54
BMiller -- Vucevic and Fournier are decent players, but at this point they are what they are. Decent but not the type of guys who will win you a title. Brown and Williams COULD develop into A-minus players, and Haywood has already been at that point and MIGHT get close to that again this season. This deal has the potential to blow up in the Celtics faces. Better to hope that these guys develop into what you hope than take on two players who you KNOW won't get a lot better. If I was the Magic I'd do this in a heartbeat, because without new blood you're a .500 team again -- at best. Finally, to say that Williams, who is just 20 and has played all of one season and was hurt twice, is just a career 2.5 a game scorer completely ignores the fact that he was not in Boston's rotation.

20 Sep 2019 19:10:46
“They are what they are” isn’t a bad thing when you want to win now.

Saying Williams wasn’t in Boston’s rotation but could develop into an A- player ignores the history of late 20’s picks in NBA history. I’d give him a 1% chance of having a better career than Vuc. And even if he does, he won’t hit that peak until Walker and Hayward have declined. Also, rarely do bigs get more healthy.

Sure, the deal could be bad for Boston. Any trade in the history of sports could be bad for either team. This one doesn’t feel very close to lopsided. Then again, I’m impartial to the trade.

20 Sep 2019 20:07:34
Overvaluing your celtics players. Walker there delete player but last yr he shown he can't lead a team to playoffz. Hayward will always be step slow from the injury. Tatum and Brown over rated. Marcus Smart my favorite Celtic the glue of team, his health can factor 40 or 50 wins.

19 Sep 2019 19:23:00
BOS-IND-ORL

BOS: M.Turner, A.Johnson

Walker/Edwards/Waters
Hayward/Langford
Tatum/Johnson
Williams/Theis/Ojeleye
Turner/Kanter/Poirier

IND: A.Gordon, W.Iwundu, 2nd round pick from ORL

Brogdon/Holiday
Oladipo/Lamb/Holiday
Warren/Iwundu/McDermott
Gordon/Leaf
Sabonis/Bitadze

ORL: J.Brown, M.Smart

Smart/Augustin/MCW
Fournier/Ross/Fultz
Brown/Frazier
Isaac/Aminu
Vucevic/Bamba/Birch

19 Sep 2019 19:41:32
I like this. Indy separates their two bigs and gets a more versatile hybrid guy. Boston gets a starting caliber big. Orlando gets a much needed wing and clears space for Isaac/ Bamba/ Aminu.

19 Sep 2019 22:38:26
I think the draft pick should come from Boston, not Orlando.

20 Sep 2019 12:03:04
nice one.

19 Sep 2019 03:59:07
GUYS ACCORDING TO MY SOURCE BOSTON AND PACERS TALK ABOUT TURNER AND TATUM AND MEMPHIS PICK .

19 Sep 2019 08:05:19
Yeah, that’s not happening.

19 Sep 2019 09:02:05
Hahahaha if the Celtics wouldn't trade Tatum in a deal for AD, they would never trade him for Turner, nevermind having to add the Memphis pick. Lol.

19 Sep 2019 11:33:01
Brown and pick for Turner, maybe.

19 Sep 2019 17:03:32
I guess indy calling boston and saying "tatum+pick for turner" with Boston saying "no way" qualifies as "talking".

20 Sep 2019 13:57:32
That the teams are talking is pretty likely.
Boston doesn't want to overpay players, so Turner would be the perfect target.

That the Pacers want Tatum also might be right.
At the end I see it more realistic that the Pacers get maybe Brown, Smart and the Memphis pick. Especially if Boston doesn't want to pay Brown about 25 million a year. So why not trade him.
A core of Tatum, Turner and Walker sounds really good.

16 Sep 2019 22:31:32
Miami: G Hayward+Dellavedova

Boston: K Love+ 2rnd piçk Cleveland

Cleveland: Johnson+Winslow+Waiters

17 Sep 2019 00:49:09
There’s no way the Cavs are taking on money that would push them into the luxury, trading love, a 2nd and taking on two bad contracts just to get Winslow.

 
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