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25 Jul 2018 04:23:50
Rockets trade Anderson
Lakers trade Deng

A swap of bad contracts

2 players on similar $ value contracts with 2 years remaining on both.

Lakers add more shooting around Lebron.
Rockets get a 3 and D player who could potentially replace some of what Ariza did.

1088jonesp

1.) 25 Jul 2018 04:34:44
Anderson can still play and Deng is done. Houston passes.


2.) 25 Jul 2018 05:30:29
How do we actually know deng can't play? Just because the last time he played (two seasons ago) he wasn't in his peak doesn't mean he literally has nothing to show. A whole year of rest basically, honestly I wouldn't put it past him to give a team 15 minutes of decent basketball a night.


3.) 25 Jul 2018 06:26:52
The Lakers weren’t tanking last year and wanted to get rid of Deng. If he could still play that would have made any Deng trade mode palatable for the team he was going to. Channing Frye played some once he got there and they had no reason to give him a minute at that point.


4.) 25 Jul 2018 14:59:59
The Lakers weren’t tanking, but they were in a situation in which they wanted to give the young kids minutes. That is the most likely reason Deng did not play, not that he has absolutely nothing left in the tank.

That said, I agree that Anderson most likely has quite a bit more, so no from the Rockets.


 

 

19 May 2018 04:40:49
Once the news came out that there may be tensions between towns and Minnesota, I had to make a hypothetical trade scenario. I see towns being a great fit in Boston. Here's what I propose:

T-wolves trade: Towns, Aldrich
T wolves receive: Brown, Turner, Yabusele, 2019 LAC 1st

Pacers trade: Turner, Young, and Joseph
Pacers receive: Rozier, Maker, Henson, and Morris

Celtics trade: Brown, Rozier, Horford, Yabusele, Morris, 2019 LAC 1st
Celtics receive: Towns, Young, Snell, Joseph, Aldrich (waive)

Bucks trade: Henson, Snell, and Maker
Bucks receive: Horford


What do people think?

1088jonesp

1.) 19 May 2018 05:04:35
Minnesota would need that Sacramento pick plus maybe the Memphis pick to even listen.


2.) 19 May 2018 05:16:14
Horford is like Henson and Maker, A PF that plays Center, Except, Henson is 6'11" and Maker is 7'1", while Horford is 6'9" maybe 6'10". (Oddly enough, Horfords father "Tito Horford" did play for the Bucks at one time) Now, Why would Milwaukee trade two PF/ C, plus a SG to get back One PF/ C? I'm sorry, It just seems like a bad trade for all teams involved.


3.) 19 May 2018 05:45:19
@carl006, if Minnesota insists then the pick could be changed to the SAC 2019 pick. However, I don't believe they need both picks if Brown and Turner are included.

@torque hardbar, because Horford is an all star center and way better than both Maker and Henson right now. One of the Bucks biggest problem last year was creating offense in the half court set. Horford would help tremendously in this area because he is one of the few 5's you can actually run an offense through. Also, he is a former player of Bud's so he could be incorporated into the offense seamlessly.


4.) 19 May 2018 06:17:28
agree the pick would have to be sac. kat will likely be a top 10 player soon.


5.) 19 May 2018 12:21:56
@1088jonesp, I believe Milwaukee would go another direction, and go after D. Jordan from the Clippers. Horford might be an all star, But I don't believe he is the answer for the Buck's. Milwaukee does need to move Henson, Dellavedova, and their contracts! Snell has been a let down as has Bledsoe. Horfords game is more offense, than defense. Bigger Center's always push him around. The Bucks need a Center, that doesn't need the ball, Is a very good rebounder (The Bucks were 30th in the league in rebounding) Can protect the rim, and can get his own shot. I don't think Horford fits that need.


6.) 19 May 2018 12:38:41
Torque, while Jordan is clearly the better rebounder, Horford has been the better defender over the past 2 or 3 years. Horford will probably end up in the top 5 for dpoy.


7.) 19 May 2018 12:59:43
rkeene, I would still rather have Jordan, than Horford. I can't see Horford in the top 5 for dpoy. I'm sorry. Since Milwaukee has a New coach now, Hard to tell what he is thinking?


8.) 19 May 2018 15:16:37
Yeah Horford deserves to be in the top 5 Dpoy.


9.) 19 May 2018 16:03:12
@torque hardbar, you said the bucks need a center who can get his own shot and you claim Jordan is the solution for that. That's hilarious. Jordan has to have one of the worst post games I've ever seen. Spacing was a huge issue for the Bucks last year and I think Jordan would only add to this problem. This is why I think Horford is a better fit for the Bucks. He is a great leader who can anchor the team on offensive and defensive. He doesn't need the ball to be effective. He can be a spot up shooter, set off ball screens for his teammates, or make a play off the dribble. He is a very diverse player and he can mend his game to fit any team. I think the Bucks should go sign Ed Davis or some other cheap, efficient rebounder to address their rebounding need.

I also believe Bud is a great coach and he will clean up a lot of the problems that plagued the Bucks last year. I expect a top 4 finish for them this year.


10.) 19 May 2018 17:04:56
@1088jonesp, I would go with Jordan, I didn't hear of to many back to back 20 RPG with Horford? Plus, he's to small by todays standards, If Horford is such a great leader, Why was he traded? As far as adding Ed Davis or? for rebounding, Why get 2 players to do the job that one should be doing? I do agree about Budenholzer, Hopefully he can start by moving "Henson, Parker, Dellevedova, Maker, Bledsoe, and J. Terry! " No one knows what D. J. Wilson can do, he spent more time in their "G" league, than on the floor with the Buck's. Milwaukee needs a legit Center, a decent PG (Put Brogdan back there) a decent backup SF, Muhhamad?

Thoughts?


11.) 19 May 2018 23:01:20
@torque so why’s Horford still in the playoffs fighting for a championship? Everything you say is just so stupid!


12.) 19 May 2018 23:17:47
Why would the celtics trade horford you ask? Well if you had to choose between a soon to be 32 year old and a 22 year old potential MVP then it's a pretty easy choice. The Bucks don't have enough assets to get Towns without decimating the rest of the squad so Horford is a good cheaper option.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on Jordan in Milwaukee. Teams can nullify Jordan's impact by going under all of his screens knowing the fact that neither Bledsoe nor Giannis is an outside threat. Also, Jordan is an overrrated rim protector. He had less than a block a game last year. Horford's outside shooting and playmaking skills could give the Bucks another dimension.

I agree with you in that the Bucks need to get rid of the deadweight. Too much wasted cap in dellavedova and Henson. I don't like Muhammad though. He's a defensive liability and isn't a legit 3pt threat. Bucks need to cut their ties with him.


 

 

08 May 2018 04:33:29
Even though the Cavs stomped the raptors, they still don't have a legitimate chance against the Rockets or Warriors in the finals. In order to make a more competitive roster, this is what I think they should do. Add more versatile defenders, get more shooters, and add an athletic rim protector. These 3 characteristics are what make the Rockets and Warriors so good.

First Trade
Cavs trade: Kevin Love, Clarkson
Cavs receive: Schroeder, Covington, Bayless, and 19th pick

76ers trade: Covington, Bayless, Holmes, 10th pick, 24th Pick
76ers receive: McCollum

Trailblazers trade: McCollum, Turner
Trailblazers receive: Love, Clarkson, Holmes

Hawks trade: Schroeder, 19th Pick
Hawks receive: Osman, Turner, 10th pick, 24th pick
Why? Cavs get a pg who can get some easy buckets and create plays for his teammates when Lebron is out. They also add a good 3 and D in Covington.

Second Trade
Cavs trade: Thompson
Raptors trade: Ibaka
Why? Ibaka is more athletic, a better rim protector, and can shoot the 3. Raptors save money and change it up.

Third Trade
Cavs trade: JR Smith, Bayless, 8th pick, 19th pick
Clippers trade: Beverley, Harris
Why? The two teams pretty much exchange expiring contracts (however Smith is guaranteed about $4 million in 2019-2020). Jerry West acquires 2 more 1st round picks (to bring the total to 4). LAC begins a full-fledged rebuild.

Fourth trade
Cavs trade: Hill
Suns trade: Chandler
Why? Suns get a solid point guard to hold them over a year or two. Cavs get a veteran big who could be good for a few bench minutes.

Fifth trade
Cavs trade: Nance
Nets trade: Dinwiddie
Why? Nets have too many guards. Cavs get a versatile defender and alternative playmaker.

FINAL CAVS Depth Chart
Schroeder, Dinwiddie
Covington, Beverley
Harris, Korver
Lebron, Green
Ibaka, Chandler

This is only one of many different possible starting lineups. The defensive potential of this team is much higher than the current cavs squad. It could use a few more bench shooters, but overall I think its a better team than the 2017-2018 cavs.

What does everybody think?

1088jonesp

1.) 08 May 2018 12:42:12
Trades a good clippers one I thought was bad but it’s aftually pretty good.


2.) 08 May 2018 15:35:18
This post is so long and obviously fantastical and unrealistic. However, even with that. I just want to make two points. Beyond the fact that no team every does this much action.

Schroeder is legit one of the worst 3 point shooters in the league. What you need with lebron is shooters, not an severely undersized pg who chucks it a lot at an ineffective rate, and you have him as a starter.

Second, Ibaka isn't a center. You are basing his value off Ibaka from OKC. He is no where near the same player as he was. he's too small to cover big centers and he is not nearly as effective as many others. This seems like you essentially get rid of talent for lesser talent. Its just a dumb post.


3.) 08 May 2018 21:10:24
Hamburger, there is not one player (besides lebron) on the cavs who can make a play off the dribble for themselves or somebody else. That's why they've struggled so much this year without Kyrie. Maybe Schroeder isn't the ideal fit for the team because of his shooting deficiencies but he gives them something they need at a reasonable cost. Secondly, I'm curious who do you think the cavs should try to get at center?


 

 

23 Apr 2018 22:54:55
Hypothetical trade. Only plausible if Lebron leaves.

Heat trade: Hassan Whiteside, Tyler Johnson
Heat receive: George Hill, Tyson Chandler, Jonas Jerebko (waive) Ekpe Udoh (waive), 2018 own first (from Phoenix)

Jazz trade: Alec Burks, Thabo Sefelosha, Ekpe Udoh, Jonas Jerebko, Royce O'Neal, 2018 Jazz 1st
Jazz receive: Kevin Love, Kyle Korver

Cavs trade: Kevin Love, George Hill, Kyle Korver
Cavs receive: Brandon Knight, Alec Burks, Jared Dudley (buyout), Thabo Sefelosha (waive), Royce O'Neal (waive), 2018 1st via jazz, 2021 1st (MIA) via Phoenix

Suns trade: Tyson Chandler, Brandon Knight, Jared Dudley, 2018 1st (MIA), 2021 first (MIA)
Suns receive: Hassan Whiteside, Tyler Johnson

Why for the heat? Heat cut down luxury tax expense this year and the next. They open up a starting spot for Adebayo. George Hill and Tyson Chandler could be solid veterans for them this upcoming season and they only have $1 million guaranteed salary combined for the 2019-2020 season. They also get this years pick back.

Why for the jazz? Jazz bring in two great shooters. Love's shooting at the 4 provides a great compliment to gobert. Although the jazz take a hit defensively, they open up the lanes for Rubio and Mitchell to penetrate.

Why for the cavs? If lebron leaves, they need to cut salary and get picks. This deal saves them money immediately and they get 2 1st round picks.

Why for the suns? The suns rid themselves of their 3 biggest contracts who are all too old for their timeline. They get their starting center that could be a defensive anchor for them. They also replace knight with Tyler Johnson. Although Johnson is getting paid about $5 million more per year than knight, he at least actually plays and the suns can afford him. The suns have plenty of youth already and don't need the draft picks.

1088jonesp

1.) 24 Apr 2018 03:55:06
The Jazz should probably give up a little more and the Cavs and Heat should probably get a little more.


2.) 24 Apr 2018 07:15:56
Suns are giving up 2 1st rounders to get rid of expiring contracts and for taking 40+ million in salary? Yeah right.


3.) 24 Apr 2018 11:35:06
Rkenne, the heat and cavs are both going to be paying huge luxury taxes next year if they don't make some sort of trade. Obviously, the player value isn't there for either team, but I think both franchises would make this trade considering that they aren't legitimate contenders. Also, there is a lot of value in the unguaranteed and expiring contracts the Jazz are giving away.

Tonchcorkins, Brandon knight has two years left on his deal and he is on one of the worst contracts in the league since he rarely plays and when he does he always plays bad. Also, I think you are overvaluing the Miami picks. How much is pick 18 really worth in this draft? Whiteside definitely has a higher floor than anyone you could get then. And i think a new team could rejuvenate him. The 2021 pick is probably more valuable because who knows where the heat will be in 3 years. But still, I'll take my chances with whiteside for the next 2 years.


4.) 24 Apr 2018 12:17:19
If Lebron walks, the Cavs are already out of the luxury and they give 3 guys that combined make 50 million dollars and are guaranteed less than 5 million after next season. You're using they're expirings to open up cap space for other teams.


5.) 24 Apr 2018 14:47:47
1088jonesp yur bashing knight, yet have Phoenix taking Johnson who makes 5 mill. More a season. Have you looked at the numbers for each player? Knight's worst years are better then Johnson's best years. Knight hasn't played because he was out for the season with an injury. So according to yur logic the suns trade all their expiring contracts along with 2 first rounders, plus trade knight for a more expensive yet less productive player. Please tell me how this makes any sense in yur head.


6.) 24 Apr 2018 19:05:56
Jdp85, Knight has missed nearly 50% of all games in the last 4 seasons. He is one of the most injury prone players in the league and he is severely overrated. He is a poor defender and a ball hog. His stats are inflated due to the fact that he has played on trash teams his entire career. I'd much rather have Tyler Johnson, a tough, gritty combo guard that won't dominate the ball and will knockdown open shots at a more efficient rate. Also, you completely ignored the fact the suns are getting hassan whiteside, one of the best defensive centers in the NBA.


 

 

18 Aug 2017 17:02:38
NYK - CLE - HOU - MIL Trade

New York Trades Carmelo Anthony and Kyle O'Quinn
New York Receives Greg Monroe, Spencer Hawes, Isaiah Taylor, Tim Quarterman, Chinanu Onauku, and Shawn Long

Cleveland Trades Kevin Love and Iman Shumpert
Cleveland Receives Eric Gordon, Trevor Ariza, Jabari Parker, and Kyle O'Quinn

Houston trades Eric Gordon, Trevor Ariza, Ryan Anderson, Tim Quarterman, Shawn Long, Isaiah Taylor, and Chinanu Onauku
Houston Receives Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Love

Milwaukee trades Jabari Parker, Greg Monroe, and Spencer Hawes
Milwaukee receives Ryan Anderson and Iman Shumpert

Why each team makes the trade?
New York rids themselves of their Melo drama in exchange for non guaranteed deals and expiring contracts.

Cleveland takes a chance on Jabari. His numbers were fantastic this past year but there are obvious concerns about his knees. They solidify their bench by adding last year's 6th man of the year (Gordon) . Ariza is a great 3 and D complement who can start until Jabari returns. Kyle O'Quinn can fill the role of backup center because the Cavs are extremely weak here as Tavares is the only center on the roster besides Thiompson. I think this is the best move the cavs could make. Deepen their roster and give Lebron more weapons.

Milwaukee takes a risk on Anderson in this trade. He does not fit into Kidd's defensive scheme but his 3pt shooting is desperately needed. The Bucks finished in the bottom 10 in 3pt fgs made last year. Ridding themselves of Monroe's contract and receiving a good 3 and D wing in Shumpert sweetens the deal for the bucks. I think they take this.

Houston gets 2 all stars in this trade and become the second team with a Big 4. This team has enough firepower to compete with the warriors. There would be concerns with the lack of backcourt depth but I believe D'Antoni would be able to stagger Paul and Harden's minutes so one of them is always on the floor.

I'd love to hear everyone's opinions.

1088jonesp

1.) 18 Aug 2017 17:50:11
The Knicks would be better off buying out Melo. They would save a significant amount of money and they don't really recieve anything they would value in the trade

It's not terrible for the Cavs, but with Irving with a foot out the door and Parker's knee injuries, the Cavs are probably better off keeping Love for now. If he has a big season as the 2nd option, his value could increase by a ton.

It's a no brainer for Houston. They win this deal by a mile.

The Bucks get robbed blind. Monroe is expiring and when healthy Parker is far better and younger than anything they get back. Houston is going to have to package a first with Anderson just to get someone to take on his huge contract. They can't expect to get anymore than expiring contracts in a deal for him.


2.) 19 Aug 2017 02:37:04
Knicks will not buy out Melo because he would still be on the books. Trading him would reduce salary cap. If they don't get anything they like in trade-they will keep him. Either he expands trade partner list or he gets old with no title chances.


3.) 19 Aug 2017 03:14:26
Mitchsam, Melo can opt out after this year. Buyouts are negotiated. The Knicks would save a few million this year, wouldn't have to worry about Melo getting hurt and opting in next year (there would be no cap hold for Melo next year) and not have a pouting Melo in their locker.
Unless they can get an asset or two and not take on any bad contracts in a trade, it's going to me a much better option than keeping Melo or wasting cap space on bad contracts.


4.) 23 Aug 2017 15:28:40
Milwaukee could also trade Giannis zhou Qi to Houston.


 

 

 

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05 Apr 2018 03:26:48
There is a lot of moving pieces in the following trades but this is what I hope to see in the 2018-2019 season.

TRADE # 1

76ers trade: Covington, Saric, Bayless, 10th pick, and 23rd pick
76ers receive: Kawhi Leonard

Spurs trade: Kawhi, Gay, Paul
Spurs receive: Kevin Love, Wesley Johnson, 10th pick, 14th pick

Cavs trade: Love, Korver
Cavs receive: Saric, Harris, Bayless, Marjanovic, 23rd pick

Clippers trade: Harris, Johnson, Marjanovic, 14th pick (via detroit)
Clippers receive: Covington, Korver, Gay, Paul (waive)

TRADE # 2
Cavs trade: Lebron James
Clippers trade: Gallinari, unguaranteed contracts (buy some around the league like the rockets did in the Chris Paul trade last summer), 12th pick

WHY?

76ers get a superstar and maintain cap room for more signings.

Spurs get an all star who fits nicely with the team. Love is a good passer and an excellent 3pt shooter. Pop could also help Love rediscover his post game. Two lottery picks is an added incentive to part ways with Leonard.

Cavs initiate a rebuild. Get two young guys in saric and harris and two first round draft picks. They take on a few bad contracts but only for a couple years.

Now for the clippers. Jerry West builds a championship caliber team with Lebron as the centerpiece. Deandre can be convinced to opt-in. He would be a better paint protector and lob threat than Nance or Thompson. Gay, Covington, and Beverley would be great 3 and D players to mesh with Lebron. Louis Williams is one of the best 6th mans there is. Austin Rivers is a solid, athletic combo guard. Lebron brings along Korver, a knockdown shooter. I also think lebron would love teodosic's court vision and passing ability. They could also add a couple cheap veterans to fill out the roster. I believe this team would be able to compete with most western teams because it has elite defensive capabilities, which is something Lebron's teams have lacked in the past.


Please comment on what you think. I would love to talk about this.

1088jonesp

1.) 05 Apr 2018 06:47:19
I don't see the Spurs dealing for older players if Kawhi goes. This looks under value to me.


 

 

 

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20 Sep 2018 03:43:11
The T-Wolves will not trade Butler to a division rival.

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28 Jul 2018 04:49:29
Patterson over Babbit on the depth chart and the rest looks good.

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20 Jul 2018 00:59:21
Holiday, Payne, and a 2nd round pick can't get you john Collins.

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26 Jun 2018 21:36:14
I think the value is fair but I don't think the hawks would make this win-now move since they are at the beginning of their rebuild.

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15 Jun 2018 19:53:55
So the hawks give up 2 starters, a 2nd round pick, and drop down in the 1st round to get one of the worst contracts in the league? Yeah right.

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