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18 Aug 2017 17:02:38
NYK - CLE - HOU - MIL Trade

New York Trades Carmelo Anthony and Kyle O'Quinn
New York Receives Greg Monroe, Spencer Hawes, Isaiah Taylor, Tim Quarterman, Chinanu Onauku, and Shawn Long

Cleveland Trades Kevin Love and Iman Shumpert
Cleveland Receives Eric Gordon, Trevor Ariza, Jabari Parker, and Kyle O'Quinn

Houston trades Eric Gordon, Trevor Ariza, Ryan Anderson, Tim Quarterman, Shawn Long, Isaiah Taylor, and Chinanu Onauku
Houston Receives Carmelo Anthony and Kevin Love

Milwaukee trades Jabari Parker, Greg Monroe, and Spencer Hawes
Milwaukee receives Ryan Anderson and Iman Shumpert

Why each team makes the trade?
New York rids themselves of their Melo drama in exchange for non guaranteed deals and expiring contracts.

Cleveland takes a chance on Jabari. His numbers were fantastic this past year but there are obvious concerns about his knees. They solidify their bench by adding last year's 6th man of the year (Gordon) . Ariza is a great 3 and D complement who can start until Jabari returns. Kyle O'Quinn can fill the role of backup center because the Cavs are extremely weak here as Tavares is the only center on the roster besides Thiompson. I think this is the best move the cavs could make. Deepen their roster and give Lebron more weapons.

Milwaukee takes a risk on Anderson in this trade. He does not fit into Kidd's defensive scheme but his 3pt shooting is desperately needed. The Bucks finished in the bottom 10 in 3pt fgs made last year. Ridding themselves of Monroe's contract and receiving a good 3 and D wing in Shumpert sweetens the deal for the bucks. I think they take this.

Houston gets 2 all stars in this trade and become the second team with a Big 4. This team has enough firepower to compete with the warriors. There would be concerns with the lack of backcourt depth but I believe D'Antoni would be able to stagger Paul and Harden's minutes so one of them is always on the floor.

I'd love to hear everyone's opinions.

1088jonesp

1.) 18 Aug 2017 17:50:11
The Knicks would be better off buying out Melo. They would save a significant amount of money and they don't really recieve anything they would value in the trade

It's not terrible for the Cavs, but with Irving with a foot out the door and Parker's knee injuries, the Cavs are probably better off keeping Love for now. If he has a big season as the 2nd option, his value could increase by a ton.

It's a no brainer for Houston. They win this deal by a mile.

The Bucks get robbed blind. Monroe is expiring and when healthy Parker is far better and younger than anything they get back. Houston is going to have to package a first with Anderson just to get someone to take on his huge contract. They can't expect to get anymore than expiring contracts in a deal for him.


2.) 19 Aug 2017 02:37:04
Knicks will not buy out Melo because he would still be on the books. Trading him would reduce salary cap. If they don't get anything they like in trade-they will keep him. Either he expands trade partner list or he gets old with no title chances.


3.) 19 Aug 2017 03:14:26
Mitchsam, Melo can opt out after this year. Buyouts are negotiated. The Knicks would save a few million this year, wouldn't have to worry about Melo getting hurt and opting in next year (there would be no cap hold for Melo next year) and not have a pouting Melo in their locker.
Unless they can get an asset or two and not take on any bad contracts in a trade, it's going to me a much better option than keeping Melo or wasting cap space on bad contracts.


4.) 23 Aug 2017 15:28:40
Milwaukee could also trade Giannis zhou Qi to Houston.


 

 

24 Jul 2017 21:36:00
Simple 3 Way trade

Celtics receive Kyrie Irving and Tristan Thompson

Cavs receive Wiggins, Horford, and 2018 LAL/ SAC 1st round pick (from Boston)
(Sign D-Rose)

Timberwolves receive Isaiah Thomas and Kyle Korver.

1088jonesp

1.) 25 Jul 2017 01:02:27
how factual is this?


2.) 25 Jul 2017 01:44:48
And white loudly the wolves laugh. So they give up a top flight two way player for an expiring contract of a player who scores, doesn't pass that well, and plays literally zero defense? Awesome.


3.) 25 Jul 2017 02:19:59
I can't see those two teams trading with each other at this time since there arguably 1 and 2 in the east.


4.) 25 Jul 2017 02:22:22
Wiggins for Irving sure but I don't think Twolves give up Wiggins for IT and Korver. Also, I don't think I'd prefer Horford over Thompson if I were Cavs due to Thompson being a much better rebounder and very good pick and roll defender.


5.) 25 Jul 2017 16:17:54
Hamburger, I don't believe Wiggins is a top 25 player in the league so it's a stretch to call him "top flight. " Also, a 30 ppg scorer is valuable no matter how you look at it. The twolves could use the veterans and shooting provided by Thomas and Korver.


6.) 27 Jul 2017 19:14:42
I don't think I would give up Wiggins for Irving let alone for Thomas. If the wolves didn't sign Jeff Teague I could see them trading for Irving. but they're probably not going to spend close to 40 million next season just on PG's.


 

 

23 Jul 2017 19:46:37
Cavs, Suns, Pistons, and Magic

Cavs trade Irving, Thompson, Shumpert, Frye
Cavs receive Bledsoe, Knight, Drummond, Bradley

Suns trade Bledsoe, Knight, Bender
Suns receive Jackson, Vucevic, Leuer, 2018 Det 1st

Pistons trade Drummond, Jackson, Bradley, Leuer, 2018 1st
Pistons receive Irving, Thompson, Bender, Hezonja, Georges-Hunt, and Felder

Magic trade Vucevic, Hezonja, Georges Hunt
Magic receive Shumpert, Frye

Why?
A starting lineup of Bledsoe, Bradley, James, Love, and Drummond is full of defensive potential. Knight would also be a solid combo guard off the bench. And they retain smith, Korver, and Jefferson who Wilson come off the bench too.

Pistons get a young stud in Kyrie, a potentially lethal stretch 4 in Bender, and a hustle center in Tristan. Hezonja is also still young and has room to develop.

Bledsoe and Knight do not fit in the same timeline of Booker and Jackson. Also, the west is so competitive right now, they might as well build for the future, not the present. Jackson and Vucevic are good NBA players who could be solid starters for a couple of years until their contracts run out and the Suns are ready to compete.

1088jonesp

1.) 23 Jul 2017 19:51:00
And for the Magic, they add frontcourt shooting and wing defense. Both of which are team needs.


2.) 23 Jul 2017 20:57:05
Awful value for Magic. Both Shumpert and Frye can leave after this season and they are giving up their best player in Vucevic, and Hezonja who hasn't done anything really in first two seasons but is still only 22 and has upside.

Trade is very good for the Pistons who land best player in the trade and the two most promising prospects while getting Thompson who can do most of what Drummond can do.

I think it would be a solid gamble for the Cavs. I think Suns could do better, Vucevic is good but not worth taking on all that salary and giving up Bender. Pistons 1st wouldn't be that valuable given Pistons return and them being in weak east.


3.) 23 Jul 2017 22:06:47
Give the magic. pick or 2 and i think it makes sense.


4.) 24 Jul 2017 00:00:41
Love it.


 

 

28 May 2017 19:10:03
4 way Trade Proposal GS - Bos - Dal - Min

GS trades Klay Thompson
GS Receives Seth Curry, Dwight Powell, #9 pick from Mavs (draft Lauri Markannen)

Dal trades Seth curry, Dwight Powell, Wes Matthews, and #9 pick
Dal receives klay Thompson and Ricky Rubio

Bos trades 1st pick
Bos receives Dieng and 7th pick (draft PG)

Minnesota trades Rubio, dieng, 7th pick
Minnesota receives Matthews, Zeller (waive), Mickey (waive), 1st pick (draft Fultz)


GSW opens up some cap space. Adds a knockdown shooter in Curry. Adds an athletic, rim-chasing big in Powell. Adds a stretch 5 who would add even more space on offense.

Dal gets the pass first pg they desire and one of the best 3 and d players in the league. They may be getting a little too much in this deal. 2019 first may have to be thrown in.

Bos gets a solid all around big man without letting go of any of its main contributors. In this draft, the 7th pick should still be a good prospect but I don't know if Ainge would see Dieng as valuable enough to bridge the gap between these 6 picks.

Minnesota drafts Fultz. He could be there pg for the next decade +. This move also free cap space allowing them to look for a pf (Millsap?) in free agency

I believe this trade makes all 4 teams better than before. What do you guys think?

1088jonesp

1.) 28 May 2017 19:37:01
Not enough for Klay and Boston could get more out of the 1st pick.


2.) 28 May 2017 19:48:40
Why would the Celtics do this when they could just sign a big in free agency and keep the first pick?


3.) 28 May 2017 19:53:30
Out of all those names, the only one that would get Ainge to return a phone call would be Thompson. Dieng doesn't come close to moving the needle.


4.) 29 May 2017 05:00:57
You guys seem to be very high on Markelle Fultz. In my opinion, Dennis Smith and Gorgui Dieng (as a pair) are more valuable than Fultz. Dieng is a proven, starting caliber big man who can play either C or PF and he is signed for the next 4 years. If the Celtics were to look for a big man in free agency, they'd have to pay him more than Dieng. For the Celtics, this trade nets them a quality big man, a young guard with a lot of potential, and they maintain enough cap space to sign a max player such as Hayward.


 

 

19 May 2017 02:29:31
Simple 3-way Trade between Philly, Orlando, and LAL that benefits everyone

Magic receive D'Angelo Russel, Gerald Henderson, and Tarik Black (cut), 3rd pick (from Philly)

76ers receive Evan Fournier, 6th Pick (from Orlando)

Lakers receive Nikola Vucevic

----- Reasons ------
Magic gets a young combo guard in Russell and move up into the top 3 to grab either Jackson or Tatum. ThIs will give them a young Big 3 (Russell, Jackson/Tatum, and Gordon) to build around.

Philly gets a scoring 2 guard who would be a great complement to PG Simmons. Fournier is young and signed long-term on a pretty reasonable contract. They should also draft Monk who could be an excellent sixth man until he's ready to start.

Lakers add a skilled big man who could help a thin frontcourt. And they get rid of Russell who probably wouldn't be a great fit with Lonzo.

----- Post-trade Depth Charts ------
Magic
Russell, Payton, Augustin, Watson
Ross, Henderson, Meeks
Jackson/Tatum, Hezonja
Gordon, FA
Biyombo, Zimmerman

76ers
Simmons, McConnell, Bayless
Fournier, Monk
Covington, TLC, Anderson
Saric, Holmes
Embiid, Okafor

Lakers
Lonzo, FA, nwaba
Clarkson, young, brewer
Ingram, deng,
Randle, Nance
Vucevic, Zubac, Mozgov


**** Please comment what you think****

1088jonesp

1.) 19 May 2017 04:49:33
I don't like it for Lakers. I love Vuc but he and Randle would be terrible defensively. They can package Russell to a bigger deal.


2.) 19 May 2017 06:40:51
I agree with USA. Vucevic is a solid youngish big on a reasonable contract but isn't a good fit with Lakers roster plus I don't think his value is as high as Russell. I also, don't think Russell would be a bad fit basketball wise with Lonzo. Russell played off-ball to Clarkson for stretches and was successful. Russell is also much more of a natural scorer than Lonzo who is a more natural pg that can impact the game without scoring a bunch of points. Personality wise their could be a clash (more so with Lavarr and Russell) that could create unnecessary drama and distractions (as Russell has already done previously) .

I don't think 76ers would mind trading down and adding a shooter like Fournier although I wouldn't describe his contract as reasonable especially since his numbers are inflated on that Magic team. 76ers would probably need more to be really interested in this since Jackson is a great prospect (although not that great a fit with 76ers) .

I don't think Magic value Vucevic that much and Fournier although youngish doesn't provide much besides scoring. Don't think #6 is a great position for the Magic (Fox is too similar to Payton, Issac probably their best option but he is very hit or miss) so trading up is definitely in the cards. Getting a guy like Russell too who can play pg or sg would be a big win for the Magic who otherwise wouldn't have too much to be excited about.


 

 

 

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05 Apr 2018 03:26:48
There is a lot of moving pieces in the following trades but this is what I hope to see in the 2018-2019 season.

TRADE # 1

76ers trade: Covington, Saric, Bayless, 10th pick, and 23rd pick
76ers receive: Kawhi Leonard

Spurs trade: Kawhi, Gay, Paul
Spurs receive: Kevin Love, Wesley Johnson, 10th pick, 14th pick

Cavs trade: Love, Korver
Cavs receive: Saric, Harris, Bayless, Marjanovic, 23rd pick

Clippers trade: Harris, Johnson, Marjanovic, 14th pick (via detroit)
Clippers receive: Covington, Korver, Gay, Paul (waive)

TRADE # 2
Cavs trade: Lebron James
Clippers trade: Gallinari, unguaranteed contracts (buy some around the league like the rockets did in the Chris Paul trade last summer), 12th pick

WHY?

76ers get a superstar and maintain cap room for more signings.

Spurs get an all star who fits nicely with the team. Love is a good passer and an excellent 3pt shooter. Pop could also help Love rediscover his post game. Two lottery picks is an added incentive to part ways with Leonard.

Cavs initiate a rebuild. Get two young guys in saric and harris and two first round draft picks. They take on a few bad contracts but only for a couple years.

Now for the clippers. Jerry West builds a championship caliber team with Lebron as the centerpiece. Deandre can be convinced to opt-in. He would be a better paint protector and lob threat than Nance or Thompson. Gay, Covington, and Beverley would be great 3 and D players to mesh with Lebron. Louis Williams is one of the best 6th mans there is. Austin Rivers is a solid, athletic combo guard. Lebron brings along Korver, a knockdown shooter. I also think lebron would love teodosic's court vision and passing ability. They could also add a couple cheap veterans to fill out the roster. I believe this team would be able to compete with most western teams because it has elite defensive capabilities, which is something Lebron's teams have lacked in the past.


Please comment on what you think. I would love to talk about this.

1088jonesp

1.) 05 Apr 2018 06:47:19
I don't see the Spurs dealing for older players if Kawhi goes. This looks under value to me.


 

 

 

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17 Apr 2018 06:55:41
USA, You said it yourself that this was a deep draft. So why would the hawks trade away their best player (a 24 year old locked down on a very friendly $15.5 mil contract for the next 3 years) and absorb Knights awful contract (in terms of player value) for the next two years if they can get a solid prospect with the 4th pick? Suns need to be giving up more.

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15 Apr 2018 23:18:39
I think the heat and mavs are underpaid. If the mavs absorb Tyler Johnson's contract and the heat give up whiteside, Richardson, and Winslow then they are both getting the raw side of the deal.

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15 Apr 2018 21:32:02
The spurs don't need to add 4 more guards to their already guard heavy lineup.

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15 Apr 2018 18:14:29
I don't think Tatum, an expiring Morris, and a top 10 1st round pick is enough for Leonard.

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15 Apr 2018 18:04:03
So the cavs give up Thompson, smith, zizic, and a future 2nd round pick for Hassan whiteside and Solomon hill? Sounds pretty lopsided to me.

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